Academy Award-, WGA-, and BAFTA-nominated A History of Violence screenwriter Josh Olson has an interesting screed in this week’s Village Voice:
I will not read your fucking script.
That’s simple enough, isn’t it? “I will not read your fucking script.” What’s not clear about that? There’s nothing personal about it, nothing loaded, nothing complicated. I simply have no interest in reading your fucking screenplay. None whatsoever.
If that seems unfair, I’ll make you a deal. In return for you not asking me to read your fucking script, I will not ask you to wash my fucking car, or take my fucking picture, or represent me in fucking court, or take out my fucking gall bladder, or whatever the fuck it is that you do for a living.
You’re a lovely person. Whatever time we’ve spent together has, I’m sure, been pleasurable for both of us. I quite enjoyed that conversation we once had about structure and theme, and why Sergio Leone is the greatest director who ever lived. Yes, we bonded, and yes, I wish you luck in all your endeavors, and it would thrill me no end to hear that you had sold your screenplay, and that it had been made into the best movie since Godfather Part II.
But I will not read your fucking script.
At this point, you should walk away, firm in your conviction that I’m a dick. But if you’re interested in growing as a human being and recognizing that it is, in fact, you who is the dick in this situation, please read on.
Yes. That’s right. I called you a dick. Because you created this situation. You put me in this spot where my only option is to acquiesce to your demands or be the bad guy. That, my friend, is the very definition of a dick move.
I was recently cornered by a young man of my barest acquaintance.
I doubt we’ve exchanged a hundred words. But he’s dating someone I know, and he cornered me in the right place at the right time, and asked me to read a two-page synopsis for a script he’d been working on for the last year. He was submitting the synopsis to some contest or program, and wanted to get a professional opinion.
Now, I normally have a standard response to people who ask me to read their scripts, and it’s the simple truth: I have two piles next to my bed. One is scripts from good friends, and the other is manuscripts and books and scripts my agents have sent to me that I have to read for work. Every time I pick up a friend’s script, I feel guilty that I’m ignoring work. Every time I pick something up from the other pile, I feel guilty that I’m ignoring my friends. If I read yours before any of that, I’d be an awful person.
Most people get that. But sometimes you find yourself in a situation where the guilt factor is really high, or someone plays on a relationship or a perceived obligation, and it’s hard to escape without seeming rude. Then, I tell them I’ll read it, but if I can put it down after ten pages, I will. They always go for that, because nobody ever believes you can put their script down once you start.
But hell, this was a two page synopsis, and there was no time to go into either song or dance, and it was just easier to take it. How long can two pages take?
Weeks, is the answer.
And this is why I will not read your fucking script.
It rarely takes more than a page to recognize that you’re in the presence of someone who can write, but it only takes a sentence to know you’re dealing with someone who can’t.
(By the way, here’s a simple way to find out if you’re a writer. If you disagree with that statement, you’re not a writer. Because, you see, writers are also readers.)
You may want to allow for the fact that this fellow had never written a synopsis before, but that doesn’t excuse the inability to form a decent sentence, or an utter lack of facility with language and structure. The story described was clearly of great importance to him, but he had done nothing to convey its specifics to an impartial reader. What I was handed was, essentially, a barely coherent list of events, some connected, some not so much. Characters wander around aimlessly, do things for no reason, vanish, reappear, get arrested for unnamed crimes, and make wild, life-altering decisions for no reason. Half a paragraph is devoted to describing the smell and texture of a piece of food, but the climactic central event of the film is glossed over in a sentence. The death of the hero is not even mentioned. One sentence describes a scene he’s in, the next describes people showing up at his funeral. I could go on, but I won’t. This is the sort of thing that would earn you a D minus in any Freshman Comp class.
Which brings us to an ugly truth about many aspiring screenwriters: They think that screenwriting doesn’t actually require the ability to write, just the ability to come up with a cool story that would make a cool movie. Screenwriting is widely regarded as the easiest way to break into the movie business, because it doesn’t require any kind of training, skill or equipment. Everybody can write, right? And because they believe that, they don’t regard working screenwriters with any kind of real respect. They will hand you a piece of inept writing without a second thought, because you do not have to be a writer to be a screenwriter.
So. I read the thing. And it hurt, man. It really hurt. I was dying to find something positive to say, and there was nothing. And the truth is, saying something positive about this thing would be the nastiest, meanest and most dishonest thing I could do. Because here’s the thing: not only is it cruel to encourage the hopeless, but you cannot discourage a writer. If someone can talk you out of being a writer, you’re not a writer. If I can talk you out of being a writer, I’ve done you a favor, because now you’ll be free to pursue your real talent, whatever that may be. And, for the record, everybody has one. The lucky ones figure out what that is. The unlucky ones keep on writing shitty screenplays and asking me to read them.
To make matters worse, this guy (and his girlfriend) had begged me to be honest with him. He was frustrated by the responses he’d gotten from friends, because he felt they were going easy on him, and he wanted real criticism. They never do, of course. What they want is a few tough notes to give the illusion of honesty, and then some pats on the head. What they want–always–is encouragement, even when they shouldn’t get any.
Do you have any idea how hard it is to tell someone that they’ve spent a year wasting their time? Do you know how much blood and sweat goes into that criticism? Because you want to tell the truth, but you want to make absolutely certain that it comes across honestly and without cruelty. I did more rewrites on that fucking e-mail than I did on my last three studio projects.
My first draft was ridiculous. I started with specific notes, and after a while, found I’d written three pages on the first two paragraphs. That wasn’t the right approach. So I tossed it, and by the time I was done, I’d come up with something that was relatively brief, to the point, and considerate as hell. The main point I made was that he’d fallen prey to a fallacy that nails a lot of first timers. He was way more interested in telling his one story than in being a writer. It was like buying all the parts to a car and starting to build it before learning the basics of auto mechanics. You’ll learn a lot along the way, I said, but you’ll never have a car that runs.
(I should mention that while I was composing my response, he pulled the ultimate amateur move, and sent me an e-mail saying, “If you haven’t read it yet, don’t! I have a new draft. Read this!” In other words, “The draft I told you was ready for professional input, wasn’t actually.”)
I advised him that if all he was interested in was this story, he should find a writer and work with him; or, if he really wanted to be a writer, start at the beginning and take some classes, and start studying seriously.
And you know what? I shouldn’t have bothered. Because for all the hair I pulled out, for all the weight and seriousness I gave his request for a real, professional critique, his response was a terse “Thanks for your opinion.” And, the inevitable fallout–a week later a mutual friend asked me, “What’s this dick move I hear you pulled on Whatsisname?”
So now this guy and his girlfriend think I’m an asshole, and the truth of the matter is, the story really ended the moment he handed me the goddamn synopsis. Because if I’d just said “No” then and there, they’d still think I’m an asshole. Only difference is, I wouldn’t have had to spend all that time trying to communicate thoughtfully and honestly with someone who just wanted a pat on the head, and, more importantly, I wouldn’t have had to read that godawful piece of shit.
You are not owed a read from a professional, even if you think you have an in, and even if you think it’s not a huge imposition. It’s not your choice to make. This needs to be clear–when you ask a professional for their take on your material, you’re not just asking them to take an hour or two out of their life, you’re asking them to give you–gratis–the acquired knowledge, insight, and skill of years of work. It is no different than asking your friend the house painter to paint your living room during his off hours.
There’s a great story about Pablo Picasso. Some guy told Picasso he’d pay him to draw a picture on a napkin. Picasso whipped out a pen and banged out a sketch, handed it to the guy, and said, “One million dollars, please.”
“A million dollars?” the guy exclaimed. “That only took you thirty seconds!”
“Yes,” said Picasso. “But it took me fifty years to learn how to draw that in thirty seconds.”
Like the cad who asks the professional for a free read, the guy simply didn’t have enough respect for the artist to think about what he was asking for. If you think it’s only about the time, then ask one of your non-writer friends to read it. Hell, they might even enjoy your script. They might look upon you with a newfound respect. It could even come to pass that they call up a friend in the movie business and help you sell it, and soon, all your dreams will come true. But me?
I will not read your fucking script.
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I will not read your fucking script.




This is great–so true! But Josh should have known this would happen and just lied to the guy, even if in this case lying is actually the rudest response. It it’s rude for someone to impose upon you, so you can be rude back to him by lying.
I love you.
This thing was stuck in my craw since I read it. I couldn’t put my finger on it until it hit me. All of the writers out there who agree with this and lavish praise on Olson, I ask you this: Would you prefer EVERYONE wrote exceptionally and each script giving to you was a pleasure to read? So with all your bitching you better be smiling because the alternative would be you all STILL not reading the fucking scripts but out of fear that it was something just so much better than you could ever do.
Are you an artist? Have you spent any time working towards becoming a professional in a field? Because if the answer is yes to either of these questions, you must not be that great at what you do. It’s an affront to your time spent practicing a craft to have someone half as talented who has spent little to no time in the profession. It’s hard when someone (and I’m speaking in terms of performing arts now) steps into your world who is better than you. But I’d rather have a thousand great actors to work with and learn from than 10 awful reality t.v. show stars who make me look like an Oscar winner. People who are better than you shouldn’t scare you, they should motivate you. I guarantee that Josh Olson has read a lot of amazing scripts, and they inspire him to do better, not scare him into submission.
*It’s an affront to your time spent practicing a craft to have someone half as talented who has spent little to no time in the profession pretend like they are as talented as you.*
Shaun’s comment completely and utterly proves Mr. Olson’s point that NOT everybody can write. There isn’t a sentence in his pathetic paragraph that isn’t fucked up. “You all still not reading”?? Come on, at least proofread your stuff. Some people write so poorly, they can’t even read it themselves.
For you to think that prof reading has anything to do with righting suggests that you no nothing about fukcing writting.
Real writers don’t have time for that shit. When it matters they turn the script over to some person who one the spelling be in high schol.
This from ann Emmmmy Winning writer
Emmy. Emmy. That’s like the gold star program, right? Eat enough Pizza Hut pizzas or something.
I agree with everything that Olson said, and I’m not even in a position to be asked to be handed a script/treatment.
And I know from what I’ve heard that, yes, many ‘screenwriters’ don’t know how to even write a complete full sentence, much less a script. That many ‘scripts’ submitted to WGA and LoC are best used as paperweights.
Each script that I’ve written is actually three or four, and I’m still probably not ‘getting it right.’ And the answer is “Yes,” that each script has to be as ‘perfect’ as it’s going to get before being submitted to anyone. Do you want to ruin your reputation before you even have one?
People with credits like Olson, usually have Readers to plow through most scripts before they even geet them handed to them. To trade on ‘connections’ to get something read is usually something most of Hollywood avoids like the plague, mainly for this reason.
Sad, but true. ‘If you’re really a writer, nothing will stop you.’ Otherwise, it’s painful to watch, and worse to read.
I believe all the writers who commented this article should put their time and efforts into negotiating the next New Media contract insofar the residual structure is basically nonexistant.
When the film and television shows start rolling over into “any” New Media format, what you got paid thousands upon thousands of dollars for will turn into a goose egg. It’s happening right now.
Where do you think they are going to get the non union writers for all the webasodes? The ones producers have to pay no health, welfare, insurance coverage nor residuals that are stealing your jobs? Probably that same guy who asked Josh to read his treatment.
The estimate job loss to non union Actors per day is approximately three thousand. Who’s writing these under twentyfive thousand dollar a minute shows? We as artists have to stratagize to not only increase our jurisdiction, but eventually encompass it over all forms of new media.
We need solidarity when our contracts our up. We need to create formal alliances and a unified negotiating front with each other, which includes the DGA, Teamsters, SAG, WGA and AFTRA. If we are to survive the vertical media conglomerates, this is the only way. If one union strikes, we all go out.
Peter Antico / SAG National Board Nominee
Peter,
You appear to be electioneering. If so, I hope that you are an Actor, and not a Writer.
Because you are unable to write a cogent, coherent thought.
I tend to agree with the essence, but in a perfect world this guy will need a kidney from someone who’s script he refused to read someday. That’s how my screenplay ends. AND I TOTALLY DISAGREE with this line; “Do you have any idea how hard it is to tell someone that they’ve spent a year wasting their time?” I’ve written a few scripts that have not gathered much traction but I would NOT trade the experience of writing for anything in the world. The only time wasted was dealing with the HOPE of getting someone like this guy to read it to no advantage. Network your peers. Be in a position were people are ASKING you to read your script.
Steve A – No offense to you, but……….
The dude in question WASN’T HIS PEER. That ain’t networking peers, it’s a Hail Mary, Chutes & Ladder get-me-to-the-front-of-the-line without earning it approach to the industry. It’s also an affront to real artistry and writers who toil in solitude filling the empty page with nothing but their imagination.
Josh’s eloquent, spot-on description of that sequence of events is my daily job – dealing with zero-talent “dreamers” who plop nightmares in my inbox 5 days a week. [They build up over every weekend, too.]
It comes with the job but it means a non-stop, 360 degree assault of ignorant, inconsiderate “friends” and a-holes sending godawful bullshit from their friends, newbies, or hip-pocket “clients” with a better chance of winning the Irish Lottery than crafting a decent story, as well as decades-old retreads from flame-out one-&-dones. All the while they are expecting free development when they themselves have given up on actually learning how to write and/or do the back-breaking work of story analysis and emotional interpretation required to achieve compelling story coherence with commercial value.
Okay, but that still doesn’t explain why he won’t read MY script. MY script is awesome…
Very funny, Hack Daddy. Keep on writing.
I think the varied and impassioned responses stem from a central paradox of the screenwriting biz: we all need or needed that established writer who agreed to help, usually by looking at our script. The business would stop working without those who have fought hard to make a career offering from time to time to help out those trying to break in.
And yet, all writers have the horror story of the guy (usually a guy) who swore he wanted “brutally honest feedback” who was then outraged and offended when you weren’t awed by the brilliance of his work. (Trust me, you will never want so hard to punch someone in the mouth.)
There’s a lot of people who say they want ‘brutally honest’ but who don’t really. There’s also a lot of people who criticize without knowledge and who praise without knowledge. The man above knows when to do both – he spent years learning it.
The boy who asked him to read his work didn’t bother to spent years learning both how to write and how to take criticism. A burgeoning writer and a starry-eyed dreamer with a thought for a quick buck don’t look so different in the early stages. It’s when they get a slap in the face – try to learn, and step back and realize their early work was shit – that the difference becomes clear. I read somewhere that a writer has a ten-year apprenticeship of hundreds of thousands of words typed, erased, and discarded before something real emerges.
It’s when they don’t realize that refinement is required before success that you get called an ass for being honest. And yes, you usually want to punch them in the mouth for being ignorant.
(or maybe that’s just me…)
Sorry, but it begs mentioning.
“No good deed goes unpunished”
Sorry, but it begs mentioning.
“No good deed goes unpublished”
And I thought the world was void of heroes…
Ah! But Fortune Cookies philosophers abound…
I wonder if Josh ever asked a professional writer, producer, director or actor or even a studio exec or an agent to read his stuff when he was just starting out?
Probably did, and has conveniently forgot about those initial experiences…
But he has a point, I don’t attempt to practice law even though I’ve written several legal scripts for TV
Hey Josh – Christian Bale called. He wants his interminable rant back.
I have a different take on a similar request (which I get at least once a week) the would-be screenwriter comes up to me and tells me he has a great idea — he just wants me to hear it. I say, “Don’t tell me. Write it up — even if it’s just one page — and I’ll take a look at it.”
And I never hear from them again.
Because they did not want to write it at all,. They wanted to tell me their GREAT idea and then have ME do all the work. Oh, and split the money with me. In 20 years in Hollywood, not one non-pro who approached me with a “great idea for a movie” has ever come back with even ONE PAGE.
Ahh…
Wow! I love these comments. Hey, something he SHOULD have mentioned is that reading an unsolicited manuscript from a walk on is a great way to end up in a “Hey, I gave that guy that idea” lawsuit.
Read scripts submitted through your agents and managers, or have the would-be screenwriter sign a RELEASE FORM.
Even that two page synopsis could elicit a lawsuit.
This is guy is so arrogant it’s disgusting. It’s so scary that all of these people in hollywood have this platform and most of them are these bitter resentful people. Look at yourself in the mirror guy, your lucky anyone even talks to you. Be grateful someone wants to hear your stupid opinion about anything.
Interesting essay and comments on a very valid point. When a person asks for an inappropriate favor, immature, non-professional people cannot say ‘no’. Instead they get angry, and Do The Favor. He’s pissed off at himself.
Professionals say no. No excuse required.
I am a writer. No arrogant self-important jerk or anyone else can talk me out of it. Nobody needs to tell me they won’t read my script. I don’t ask for favors. I make professional appointments with editors.
C.C.
This is the best thing I have read in years…I love this guy.
Josh, I feel your pain brother… well put.
Great article, and a pretty handy heads-up for anyone looking to break into screenwriting. A great read, this was…
Why does anybody even care about this Olson bit. He is a hack. History of Violence was a pot boiler at best (I worked on it) and he only wrote this piece to increase his profile.
Writers and comedians ARE DICKS.
Why do you think they can spend endless hours on their material? Nobody likes to talk to them.
Besides, be a man and just say, “Hey, good luck and all, but I need to screw my girl tonight and I don’t have time to read it.”
Man up and stop writing passive aggressive screeds.
Vigo M. would be laughing at you -
Fact: scripts are almost ALWAYS horrible. Great writers are exceptionally rare. Just as great actors and directors and painters and composers are exceptionally rare. Very few people have it in them. And apparently an equally miniscule number of people are incapable of seeing just how badly they write. 99.9% of people can happily eviscerate a movie as total crap and then go on to write something so much worse, completely blind to the ugliness of their hack-asses.
And so, when you say yes to reading a script, you are going to be reading something really awful 99.9% of the time. The problem is (as Olson suggests) there is NEVER anything to be gained by being honest in this regard without gaining an enemy for life. It’s not worth it. I’ve learned the hard way. You don’t know who they know nor how vengeful they may be. No matter how generous your intentions, there is simply no good reason to to tell the truth. You just have to say it was wonderful. In fact, the worse it is, the fewer comments I give: “Great work! I see tremendous potential. Keep going.” Full stop.
If it’s not great, who cares. The industry will crush the untalented writer’s dreams soon enough. And in the very rare instance that the script is wonderful, you can reward them by referring them to your producer friend or your agent or inviting them to dinner and telling them not to stop writing because they truly have real talent.
Of course, the safest way to avoid the trap is simply to refuse reading them at all. Sounds like Olson will take this route from here on out. A profound weakness of character usually prevents me from saying no to writer’s requests, but experience has confirmed the only option thereafter is to tell them how awesome it was…even though I can usually only bear to read the first and last 10 pages of such completely offensive dreck. And that is the truth.
People will keep reading other people’s work because what they really want is to see that slim, sublime 0.01% staring into their face, reassuring them that brilliance is alive.
I am awestruck by the amount of people who believe that those who’ve become successful owe them something. What are these people, film school grads?
He should have praised that synopsis… He must’ve forgotten that Hollywood is the only place on Earth where you can die from encouragement.
I swear, Josh, I’m going to reprint this on the back of my business card in teeny tiny type.
genius!
That’s because you are reading porno scripts – if you read non-fucking scripts you’ll be ahead
Best thing I have read all year.
You are an asshole.
How did you you break into the biz? Someone gave you a chance.
History of Violence is also the biggest piece of shit I’ve ever seen.
Wow Andrew, really? It’s the “biggest piece of shit” you’ve ever seen. See many movies?
Ah, Andrew…so it was your synopsis, huh? You don’t sound bitter.
@ Andrew
Dear Andrew, he gave the guy a chance. He gave him honesty. He was handed poo-covered toilet paper and asked for honest feedback on poo. He tried to be nice to Mr. Poo and avoided telling him the truth as the truth would have itself told. Instead he offered a less direct form of honesty as a moral compromise, but Mr. Poo did not want honesty. Mr. Poo wanted a professional to make him feel good about himself and his work. And his work was bad not just by professional standards but by Mr. Poo’s OWN standards since he rewrote the composition before receiving feedback.
Now, a middle-ground answer would have simply been to tell Mr. Poo to work on his synopsis for a few months and then send him another draft to read. That might have been a clear enough message that the guy had put poo on paper.
Mr. Poo exhibited something I’ve witnessed before, perhaps even done before without knowing it. He favored the cheers and back-slaps of his friends because they told him what he wanted to believe, and he disfavored a professional opinion because it told him what he didn’t want to believe.
Whatever the analysis of Mr. Olson’s work, everybody needs a chance. But a professional can’t give their approval to something that is awful, and anyone who makes that professional look like the bad guy IS the bad guy for doing it and being oblivious to their own lack of ability.
Yes, someone gave him a chance, and his work was worth it so he went on from there. He gave this guy a chance, and not only was their work not worth it, they didn’t actually want his advice on how to better, just undeserved validation.
History of Violence is the least of his worries. He *wrote and directed* Infested, which has a 2.9 on IMDB. Similarly, most of the other movies he wrote range from mediocre to garbage.
I actually really liked History of Violence.
Good movie
Viggo Mortensen, Ed Harris, the lead woman role, even the kids were good.
Actually, thanks for reminding me of “History of Violence”! I loved that movie and I’m going to watch it again tonight.
FYI, I believe this blog entry is supposed to be somewhat tongue in cheek. The guy clearly cares about helping others, otherwise he wouldn’t have a stack of friend’s scripts on his night stand and he wouldn’t have taken this 2-page synopsis and agonized over it. He’s blowing off some steam in a humorous way with this post, while trying to also give other people a peak at what it’s like to be the guy who’s constantly asked to “read my script”. So dude, calling him and asshole? Maybe it’s time to loosen that necktie a little bit.
I couldn’t have said it better myself. I may have to print this out and use it as my home page.
Uh, I did that when I first met Frank Darabont many many years ago. He was extremely polite in turning me down. I’d like to go back in time and kick my own ass for that, particularly now that people ask me practically once a week to do the same.
Your stuff still sucks.
Nikki,
Thanks for posting this, very helpful. Will save to my desktop and use in the future when put in similar situation.
I love you, Josh Olson and feel your pain. I work in accounting on a hit TV show. You would think I was safe but I have been asked to read scripts from friends, relatives, friends of friends etc and it always ends badly for one simple reason – MOST PEOPLE CANNOT WRITE! The sad thing is they all think they can.
So do you think the reverse is also true? If I think that my writing sucks, then maybe it’s actually good? If that’s the case, I should write a screenplay!
I agree with Susan. I was a low-level production assistant many years ago when I moved to Hollywood and got hundreds of calls from friends-of-friends who thought I was “connected” enough to help get them work. When I couldn’t/wouldn’t help them out, I never heard from them again.
Years later, when I left L.A. after being a multi-Emmy-winning editor, I still encountered dozens of people trying to piggy-back on my knowledge and skills.
Now, today, people will often ask me to edit their projects for free, by promising to give me a piece of the cut if it sells. (Meaning, “I shot this shit, but don’t know anything about shooting and need a pro to fix it so I can shop it around.”) Really? You want me to work for your for free? Will you come clean out my cess-pool in exchange, because it really needs a good pumping? No? How about clearing out the rain-gutters on my house, I can’t reach up there? Really, no again? Well what skills DO you have that you can do a trade? Oh, legal work? For free? Medical procedure? for free? Haircut… oil-change… laundry service? No? Then why do you expect ME to offer MY skills to you…for free?
So, does that mean you won’t read my script? I’m not really clear on that.
what a complete and utter douche. either have the testicular fortitude to say that you can’t/won’t read it, or be a decent human being and be flattered by the individual’s request.
no doubt someone took a chance and read your first script, and if everyone had the same policy, then how would anyone get discovered?
also, calm down about history of violence. it was based on a graphic novel. all you did was color inside the edges. and it was overrated. cronenberg made it a pretty good movie to watch if you have 2 hours, but let’s not overestimate ourselves.
i get that you’re busy and have many to read, but get off your horse. you can be replaced by thousands and thousands of people and if you’re foolish enough to think this letter is cathartic or makes you look cool, then you’re beyond saving.
I wish you (commenter “are you kidding, tool” would have left your name. You are right on. Best comment in the section.
Right on. This Olson is a tool. I am sure he worked harder on this shit than any film he has been OVERpaid for.
“are you kidding, tool” calls it correct… though I enjoyed the tantrum as unselfconscious spectacle.
And let us not forget, there are many well-paid, very successful screenwriters in Hollywood who, in the grand scheme of skill, as as many of them even realize, ain’t really writers. George Orwell is a writer.
Finding yourself well above the baseline delusion drivel ain’t finding much.
“it was based on a graphic novel. all you did was color inside the edges.”
If you truly believe this, you have no idea what you’re talking about. No matter what you think of the movie, nobody with any experience in the business would characterize an adaptation of a graphic novel as requiring no work.
True enough. Not only that, the graphic novel for HOV was very different from the movie. In my opinion, the movie was actually superior.
That said, I’m still torn between whether Olson is dead-on or douche-tastic. Maybe a little of both? Nothing is more annoying than someone who wears the asshole hat as a badge of honor. I guess he’s right, but he could calm down a little and say it more thoughtfully. Then, when someone asks him to read a script in the future, he could turn them down and hand them a card with a link to his posting. And then, he would cease to be the king of Douchistan.
@ clueless:
i’ve read both the graphic novel and the script, and was it an easy feat that anyone could accomplish? no. but was it such an extraordinary work that he should pontificate to the entire industry that he isn’t to be bothered? no. i enjoyed history of violence, i just wouldn’t put it on any lists.
he had the story, characters, arc, tone, setting, style, dialogue, visuals…i mean the easiest thing to adapt is a graphic novel, please tell me you agree with that – or at least the easiest to sell?
also, how many scripts could he possibly have by his bedside to read?
i completely understand the non-zero-sum predicament you’re put in when someone asks for a favor of that kind, but i do not understand anyone who supports this kind of a response
Come on, man, you’re obviously too good a writer not to recognize – and yes, even appreciate – the satirical tone of the essay.
Are you kidding, tool? has hit the nail right on the head. Maybe Mr. Olson will reconsider his opinion when he’s on the downslope and has won the Joe Eszterhas Award.
Are You Kidding, Tool? Your post was vastly more brilliant & spot-on than this self-impressed asshat’s ‘clever’ op-ed! Stay classy, Josh Olson, and enjoy it while it last…..’cause it never does.
agree with that – get the point J O is making but yeah, this kind of arrogance is just dull
I’m sorry Are You Kidding Too and friends, but YOU are the ones who are off-base. Speaking as a writer who’s (deservedly) had his stuff kicked down the street, and also as a radio producer who’s had waaaay too many voice demos shoved in his face, I think Mr Olson’s article is bang-on. It’s better to get it straight and learn than to have sunshine blown up your ass and walk away a bad, self-satisfied writer. There are plenty of professional script editors out there: if you want feedback, they’re the ones to talk to.
Well Andrew, then it’s pretty safe to say that you’re an asshole too then. Right?
Personally, I’d rather work with an asshole (aka professional) like Andrew B than someone who pussyfoots around and doesn’t tell it like it is.
For as perceptive as you seem to be, I feel like you missed the point entirely. If someone asks you to do for them what you do professionally, and then makes you out to be an asshole when you do it- and you know that more often then not this is going to happen when the next eight hundred people do it- you’re probably going to start being leary of extending that courtesy after a while too.
I think that would be true for any profession. Hell, if you work at McDonalds and somebody asks you to make them a hamburger- for free- on your own personal time, would you rather tell them no and be called an asshole; or go fire up the grill, get the ingredients, and make them a great hamburger only to then have them call you an asshole and throw it away because you didn’t put the kind of pickles they wanted on it? And then to top it off, now people are criticizing your french fries because you’re the asshole who won’t make free hamburgers on your own personal time anymore.
So, now that I’ve lost everyone with my wildly irrelevant analogy, I will wrap it up by saying this. Obviously I’m a shit writer (as evidenced by the diatribe above) but I don’t need to ask Mr. Olson to take some time out of his personal life to tell me so; and it would behoove others to employ some honest and maybe a bit hard to swallow self-reflection before asking a professional for an opinion they don’t really want to hear.
I dunno. Running off on your wild tangent amused me far more than most of the more eloquent but also more self-righteous comments.
For such a criticism of writers and writing, I thought Josh’s letter could have used some very serious editing. It was way too long, meandered, characterizations were sloppy, completely lost me in the middle as a result, and it came to a really unsatisfying conclusion.
This is fucking awesome.
this guy has quite a fucking attitude for somebody whose whole fucking career was based off of one piece of material that he wrote with other fucking people.
maybe he’d have time to read more fucking scripts if he didn’t use his time writing snotty trash for DHD.
There are only three types of people in this business: 1) Those who are critical 2) Those who are cyncial 3) And those who are both.
The goal is to do busines with category 1. Always. Unfortuantely, Josh Olson falls into category 3.
Somebody needs a vocabulary expansion.
I applaud him for this. I’ve been involved in countless horror stories regarding this very subject.
I will not read this fucking essay.
by far the best writer in here
Quite enjoyable…you gotta gift!
“Why he will not read your fucking script,” or “Why I fucking hate myself and my inability to deal with guilt issues like an adult.”
Yeah…the further I got into the essay, the more this thought started echoing in my head too. This rant was a juicy psychodrama release, but maybe he needs to talk to someone.
Anyone who knows Josh Olson knows he is indeed a dick. Not because of this particular story (in which he is completely correct, by the way) but because he is indeed a dick. He’s a hacky horror writer who got lucky with A History of Violence. Real lucky. Oscar nominated lucky. Followed by his absolute ruining of Batman (Jesus, his story sucked) and supposedly some movie he’s supposed to be directing, 5 fucking years later after A History of Violence.
He’s a hack. And he’s a dick.
And everybody knows it.
His Wizard of Oz thing was awful too. This was good though. Maybe the best thing he’s written in years.
You’re right about his OZ script. Really bad writing. How ironic that he says you can tell bad writing off one sentence in this piece. I thought the same thing reading the first line of that script. And then the second, third and so on. Ugh…
“Famous” has nothing to do with talent which Josh has to burn. Not everyone thinks he’s a dick. Some of us think he’s awesome. One of the nicest, most honorable guys in the biz. Only a bitter loser would say the writer of History of Violence “got lucky”. Clearly, you know nothing about writing.
Writing screenplays is one thing. Writing non fiction essays in your own voice a completely different and more taxing task.
Given Josh’s verve and clarity above… this guy can fucking write.
The commentators who trash him can’t.
I know who I’m listening to
Suck up a little more you douche bag…looking for an assistant job i suppose?
I do know Josh and although I haven’t seen him in long while he is not a dick. He’s passionate about writing and God forbid he’s got an opinion! He was obviously tortured by this guy. But most of all I don’t take any of this seriously. I got a laugh. We’ve all been there. It sucks. So lighten up people. Just the fact that this has generated so many comments is testament that it’s good entertainment. Thanks for the read Josh, you douche bag!
Wonderful! Er, “fucking” wonderful!
pompous prick.
big article for a guy who is famous for all on ONE piece of material.
As a writer who has written more than eight movies, books, and more than five plays I find this quote evident of Josh Olson’s atomic attempt of being on the last Entourage show. This quote shows his failure to understand anything about writers.
“Which brings us to an ugly truth about many aspiring screenwriters: They think that screenwriting doesn’t actually require the ability to write, just the ability to come up with a cool story that would make a cool movie.”
Let’s rewind that if you are an aspiring director. Don’t make films that no one will ever see.
Until Gwen (2009) (announced)
Infested (2002)
… Aka Infested: Invasion of the Killer Bugs (USA: DVD box title)
Puppy Love (2001)
Don’t go to film school to learn how load the avid machine and make your actors cry.
Don’t see Steven Spielberg’s first Indiana Jones films rent Puppy Love.
If you want to light a scene don’t use a 60 watt bulb without a green filter. Just shoot it like Josh did in Infested.
As someone who wrote about screenwriting, and attempted to teach aspiring screenwriters. I find this arrogant, Oscar winning, suck ass bitch appalling in his approach to an aspiring screenwriter.
I HOPE THIS WRITER he just put down becomes a studio exec ala the Muse movie and totally fucks this guy over.
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LMAO – now that’s a response!
Were your 8 movies and 5 plays written with a similar degree of grammatical and punctuation mistakes?
“Don’t go to film school to learn how load the avid machine and make your actors cry.”
Regardless of what I think about the sentiment of your response, I shudder to think you were teaching writing to anyone. Olson is correct about one thing: not everyone is, or should be, a writer.
So, you’re saying you’ve written 6 books…?
You’re a moron and a horrible writer.
Reading your sentence, “atomic attempt of being on the last Entourage show.” hurt my brain.
You teach writing? How? That was incoherent…
This person has it right. The people calling the shots in this town get it wrong more than half the time. That is why most movies don’t even make thier budget back and fail. Even if Josh has some good points, he has made loads of shit himself. What if we just based his talent on Infested or Puppy Love? It is also an energy thing. There are ways of being honest without being a black hole. I am sure some of you understand, for those of you who don’t…look in the mirror at your perfection. Isn’t it stunning? Prettty.
Why doesn’t he just politely say he’s too busy? Why is someone asking a favor the asshole – he’s allowed to politely decline.
This makes him sound like such a jackass. That and he’s whining about having to read a script when none of us care what is considered an inconvenience to a rich, leisurely screenwriter.
One word – fucking brilliant. Okay, two.
And I’ll never ask you to, John. But the fact is that every working screenwriter in town was once a neophyte who in most cases managed to get their work to somebody in the business who liked what they read and believed in the newbie’s talent — and often that “somebody” was a gainfully employed screenwriter — somebody not unlike yourself, John.
You are extremely talented, dude. I LOVED “History of Violence” — an absolutely brilliant movie. But the fact remains that you are some day going to be an out of work screenwriter… maybe next year, maybe in thirty years, who knows… but it is going to happen, John — it always does — the phone stops ringing for everyone eventually — and when it does, I promise you, you are going to be, like Blanche Dubois, depending heavily on the kindness of strangers.
Uh filmklassik..his name is JOSH
um…
Josh.
his name is Josh.