I understand that no one on the SAG board who clashed with the AMPTP's Nick Counter during the long and bitter 2008/2009 round of negotiations before the Unite For Strength/NY/Regional divisions came to power are being allowed to have their say about his passing. But the Screen Actors Guild issued a statement tonight that, "It is with sadness that we mark the passing of Screen Actors Guild’s longtime industry colleague, Nick Counter."
Strangely because he barely negotiated against Counter, SAG National Executive Director David White joined newly elected SAG president Ken Howard in issuing the following statement: "Nick Counter was a giant of labor relations whose passing will be mourned throughout the entertainment industry. His long tenure as head of the AMPTP was typified by reason, compassion and flashes of wry humor. Sitting across the table from him was never easy, but Nick was always able to balance the relentless pursuit of his bargaining objectives with an evident respect for actors and admiration for their unique contribution to the art and business of entertainment. His death is a tremendous loss and our hearts and sympathies go out to his wife Jackie, his family, and to our colleagues at the AMPTP."
Screen Actors Guild Senior Advisor John McGuire was quoted as saying, "Throughout his years as the leader of the AMPTP, Nick brought to that organization balance, leadership and a commitment to finding ways to keep the Industry working for the benefit of everyone. SAG members are in his debt especially for his leadership in the SAG - Producers P&H Plans where his financial advice and guidance helped to protect and strengthen the health and pension benefits so vital to our members. Of equal weight was his involvement in the creation of the SAG Producers IACF fund that has provided vitally needed assistance to numerous SAG and Industry Affirmative Action and Assistance Programs. Nick truly set the bar high for everyone who strives to enhance our entertainment industry while caring for the employees who make it work. We have lost a true professional and a true friend."
Former Screen Actors Guild Executive Director Ken Orsatti said, "Nick and I sat across the negotiating table from one another through six Screen Actors Guild television and theatrical contract negotiations from 1983 to 1998. Nick was a formidable adversary and he was always fully prepared, always creative, and above all, a consummate professional. He never lost sight of the goal of collective bargaining, which was to reach a fair agreement. For that entire period of time, both sides were able to achieve that goal without a work stoppage. Nick will be deeply missed."
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That tool McGuire says, “SAG members are in his debt.” You’re kidding, right? We’re IN debt because of him. He was a skillful manipulator and hurt thousands of people with his greed. At least karma didn’t allow him to enjoy a moment of his retirement… just like the middle-class working actors who will never be able to retire because he did such a good job of decimating our contracts.
I have never said this about anyone my entire life except serial killers, but I hope if there’s anywhere to go after we die, that he’s somewhere being forced to suffer for all the misery he caused in this world.
MUST one be a cruel, angry, bitter, not-quite-human-in-feeling in order to follow this website? The man is dead, as will you be one day, and life’s not always clear or easy for anyone. He had friends and family and I can only hope noone takes after you as vilely as this when your time comes, so your friends and family won’t have to endure that kind of extra added ugliness.
MUST one be a cruel, angry, bitter….In Counters case…YES !! As far as Counter in Hell..He probably negotiated a good and greedy position there at the expense of SATAN (whom I’ve heard he is the illegitemate son of )
You’re not much of a listener, huh? You don’t need to like the guy, it’d just be better for the entire world if you wouldn’t shit all over him in front of his family.
We can hold two thoughts in our heads and express two things at once.
One – RIP Nick Counter, and our condolences to his family on their loss.
Two – He was an effective negotiator, at the expense of actors and writers.
SAG elected and appointed officials betray their core pro-corporate values in lavishing this kind of praise on Counter. If you’re going to mention his P&H advice, balance that by noting also the effects of his work on the other side of the negotiating table.
If Ken Orsatti truly believes Counter’s goal in negotiations was to “reach a fair agreement”, it’s no wonder SAG lost DVDs and could never ever get them back. Counter’s job was not to be fair, it was to keep every last dollar possible for producers. The job of SAG’s negotiators isn’t to be fair, it’s to fight as hard as they can for actors.
Nick Counter didn’t die in vain – he died that we might learn more about our elected and appointed SAG officials than they ever intended to reveal.
You won’t find a harsher critic of the duplicitous and the boobs “leading” SAG today than myself, and I’ve made more than a few waves personally by making statements about the recently deceased that addressed the reality of their reputations and records, rather than insincere and and cliched testimonials to someone who didn’t exist. But the implication that Counter’s critics formerly and currently with SAG are not “being allowed to have their say about his passing” – as if they SHOULD be permitted that avenue of communication – is ridiculous and absurd to the extreme.
It’s entirely appropriate for the President of the Board and/or the Executive Director to issue a statement as the union’s official voice(s). It’s SOP, and entirely reasonable, no matter how frustrating it might be to some.
If any current or former board members want to issue their own statements, even harsher statements, they’re free to do so on their personal letterhead, closing with their SAG titles “for identification purposes only.”
Sorry, but it’s ludicrous implications of supposed wrongdoing like this one that helped the likes of Ken Howard to sweater-vest their befuddled backsides into leadership slots at SAG.
Look, it’s one thing to issue a politically correct, general “Our thoughts and prayers are with his family at this difficult time” bullshit statement, but to say SAG members are in his debt is really insulting and offensive.
I hope Nick is smoking a turd in Purgatory. Fuck you, Nick.
Perfectly said, Ken.
He outlived SAG by 6 months.
right!
de mortuis nil nisi bonum, you assholes
Nick is hopefully rotting in hell for his years of brutally running the hard working back bone of our industry, the “early to rise – late to bed, sweat or freeze, union laborer”, into an everyday financial and healthcare struggle. Nick definitely did NOT care about the little guy. He sat high and mighty on his hill, and he took great pleasure, in fact threw parties, for his conquests of the union defeats. His passion was the almighty dollar, not the care of the entire entertainment community that built our industry.
Nick was a class act alright, THIRD CLASS!
To David White, and John McGuire, you’re cut from the same cloth, and assuredly will be spending more time with Nick in your afterlifes. Ken… the jury is still out for you. It’s not too late to stand up and make positive changes for the security of our future.
I took a hilarious photo of Harlan Ellison in 2007 with a sign that reads “Nick Counter sleeps with the fishes!”
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And I agree wholeheartedly that the SAG statement is a warm fuzzy of ridiculous proportions.
You can’t take it with you Hollywood. No truer words were EVER spoken. Guilt is a rack people with sins lie on. The rack expands over time. Some suffer from horrible things they did to other human beings, in the name of the United States. They take some solace in the words of their councilors that they were under a sacred obligation to carry out their “duties.”
I happen to actually deeply sympathize with those people. They are all around us, coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan, having seen and perhaps done unspeakable things.
Then you get a guy like Nick Counter. Nick was a hired hand, very well paid, to represent the interests of producers at the negotiating table. He was a rock. He retired, then keeled over. How do the intended and unintended victims of his intransigence mourn his passing?
Do we? Should we?
John Donne, the 17th century English poet said “never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.”
That poem next to my kitchen table for 20 years, growing up.It made a great impression on me.
In the 17th century, he made clear through his words, we are all interconnected, we all are our brothers keepers.
Hollywood is the polar opposite of that eternal truth. Nick Counter is a casualty of living with that mindset, unyielding, to his last breath. I wonder if he summoned a rabbi or a priest and confessed his sins. I hope so.
“Despite his great education and poetic talents, he lived in poverty for several years, relying heavily on wealthy friends.”
Nick Counter would have negotiated John Donne out of his pants.
R.I.P.
It’s such a shame a man had to die to give John McGuire a platform to prove himself a moron.
Let’s try to remember that Nick Counter was only the messenger for the brigands who killed our industry. The plain truth is that he was better at his job than our representatives were at theirs.
Wouldn’t want either job.
to all the sorry souls who left a negative comment. you are truly without compassion. Nick Counter left a wonderful family behind and left us too early. he may have been tough but his victories where hard won. may somebody be around to leave harsh comments when you pass. karma is a bitch
Sorry souls? As grandiose and silly as the SAG statement.
Why they couldn’t just do like the WGA and make a plain brown wrapper statement is what you need to think about. Praising someone that had destroyed your fellows is absurd.
The man that greatly contributed to the ruination of the regular, working actor, his /her ability to pay tuition, mortgage, have a tenuous but decent life, that man is dead and gone, swallowed up by Karma.
Read the WGA statement…condolences to his family…sure, that’s all, one human being to another, feel bad for ya…doesn’t mean he wasn’t a man that made a living destroying the ability of other people to make a living. That’s who he was, if you can’t accept that, then you can’t accept life, or the fact that you fear the truth about yourself.
please force john mcguire to retire as soon as possible.
Nikki wrote: “are being allowed to have their say about his passing.” Being “allowed??” By who? Their mother?
Nobody CARES what they have to say! Don’t you get that? They aren’t the President or the Exec Director any more thank the Lord. They are just like everybody else now. Did the press ask them for a comment? NO!!!
Nikki? They LOST THE ELECTION? Haven’t you heard?
As far as Counter goes, he died. Let the guy rest in peace. Have you no shame?
NO PAULY,
YOU’VE GOT IT WRONG.
NOBODY CARES WHAT you HAVE TO SAY.
It’s like the funeral scene where the mistress says way more than she should and the plot begins to unfold.
The ONLY kind thing I can think to say is, “he was good at his job “.
These specious and personal attacks against Nick Counter, especially now, just prove that SAG never really knew what it was doing at the negotiating table. It’s embarrassing.
Nick was great at his job which is why they had him do it for so long. Sadly for us, we were not as good at our job. But I’m sure those who either worked with him or against him appreciated his dogged professionalism.
And I’m sure his family miss him.
RIP
Thanks, McGuire. Glad to know you have my back.
Keep up the good work; I can’t wait to hear what I’ll “owe” the next guy on the AMPTP side.