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MONDAY AM 4TH UPDATE: 20th Century Fox keeps refining its figures to show James Cameron's Avatar actuals were better than expected -- Friday: $26,752,099, Saturday: $25,529,036, Sunday: $24,744,346. Grosses dropped only -3% from Saturday to Sunday and finished the weekend with an opening number of $77.025481 million (not $77.3M or $76.8M or $73M as the studio previously reported). That placed second to 2D I Am Legend's $77.2M record for best December debut ever at the domestic box office. Internationally, the epic surisingly shot up +3% from Saturday to Sunday for $165.5M (not $159.2M) in 106 countries. That's a $242.5M worldwide bow, including total 3D gross of $54,754,983, which Fox calls the "highest original content (non-sequel, non-franchise) opening weekend ever".
The big budget 3D technopic was the widest 3D release to date: 2,023 3D runs of 3,452 North American theaters. At the 178 domestic IMAX theaters, a record breaking $9.5M was made. IMAX globally had to add shows to keep up with demand. Overseas, 58 Imax venues grossed $4.1M. The worldwide IMAX total of $13.6M bettered Transformers 2's previous record of $11.3M this summer.
SUNDAY AM: 20th Century Fox just said its big budget 3D technopic Avatar grossed $159.18M internationally from 106 territories (the six territories that have not opened are Japan, China, Italy, Poland, Argentina, and Uruguay). With North America's snow-slowed grosses of $73M, that's a worldwide total of $232.18M which the studio says is the "highest original content (non-sequel, non-franchise) opening weekend ever".
Even with depressed U.S. grosses because of massive snowstorms in New York, Philadelphia, and Washington DC, Avatar finished Saturday only -5% down from Friday. That puts the technopic at $27M Friday and $25.6M for Saturday. With $20M estimated for Sunday, it's officially a $73M pre-Xmas domestic opening weekend.
It's the best-ever debut for director James Cameron, best-ever opening for a 3D movie with IMAX shattering their records and selling out every seat and adding shows to keep up with demand. It's also the 2nd best December debut of all time because of Avatar's 3D ticket price premium compared to 2D films. (No. 1 is still 2007's I Am Legend at $77,211,321, and No. 3 is now 2003's The Lord Of The Rings: The Return Of The King at $72,629,713.) I'm told that 59% of 3D locations accounted for 71% of total business. The pic received a Cinemascore of "A" across every qudrant. In terms of audience demos, exit polling showed 57% male/43% female, and 38% under age 25/62% over age 25.
Avatar is playing in 3,542 total theaters in North America with 3D presentations at 2,038 sites accounting for almost 60% of the grosses. (Those 2,038 3D locations break down into 3,129 3D screens and 179 all 3D IMAX.) "Can't wait for the East Coast snow to clear," one upbeat Fox exec tells me about studio hopes for the tentpole to have legs because of "the tremendous word of mouth".
Overseas, it's playing in 17,222 screens (including a total 3D/3D Imax screens of 5,360, and a total IMAX 3D screens of 81). Fox just announced Avatar made a whopping $159.18 internationally for a worldwide weekend total of $232.1 million -- more than 2012's hefty $225M 5-day debut number because of Avatar's higher 3D ticket prices.
Remember, this is the biggest 3D release in movie history, spurred by the excitement surrounding Cameron's creation of the Fusion Camera System technology for photo-realistic computer-generated characters through motion capture animation. He wrote the script for Avatar back in the mid-1990s when he and Stan Winston co-founded Digital Domain. But when he took the screenplay to their special effects lab, Cameron was told it was just not possible to make the film with the current technology. So he sat on the project for more than a decade until there could be "several thousand 3-D screens" capable of showing the film.
All of Saturday's pics were slammed by the snow. Disney's holdover The Princess And The Frog placed No. 2 with a $12.2M weekend, or -49.5% from a week ago. Alcon Entertainment's and Warner Bros' The Blind Side finished No. 3 with $10.3M and closing in on $200M cume by still showing incredible legs at the start of its 5th week in release. Meanwhile, Sony Pictures is relieved that all the focus on Avatar this weekend meant it won't attract much attention for the underperforming debut of Did You Hear About The Morgans? Starring Sarah Jessica Parker and Hugh Grant in what Rotten Tomatoes scored only 10% positive reviews -- i.e. it's unwatchable -- the so-called comedy was lucky to open to $7M this weekend (not the $10M even the studio hoped for). It opened in 4th place Friday with just $2.5M from 2,758 runs and +5% for $2.6M Saturday. "Not what we wanted, but it will hang in throughout the holidays," a too-optimistic Sony exec told me.
Here's the Top 10:
1. Avatar (Fox) NEW [3,452 runs] Fri $27M
, Sat $25.6M, Wkd $73M
2. Princess And The Frog (Disney) Week 2 [3,475] Wkd $12.2M (-49.5%), Cume $44.7M
3. The Blind Side (Warner Bros) Week 5 [3,407] Wkd $10.3M, Cume $164.7M
4. The Morgans? (Sony) NEW [2,718] Fri $2.3M, Sat $2.4M, Wkd $7M
5. New Moon (Summit) Week 5 [3,035] Wkd $4.4M, Cume $274.6M
6. Invictus (Warner Bros) Week 2 [2,125] Wkd $4.1M, Cume $15.8M
7. A Christmas Carol (Disney) Week 7 [2,070] Wkd $3.4M, Wkd $130.7M
8. Up In The Air (Paramount) Week 3 [175] Wkd $3.1M, Cume $8.1M
9. Brothers (Relativity/Lionsgate) Week 3 [2,009] Wkd $2.6M, Cume $22M
10. Old Dogs (Disney) Week 4 [2,630] Wkd $2.2M, Cume $43.5M
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Precious (Lionsgate) Week 7 [1,003 runs] Wkd $1.1M, Cume $40M
The Road (Weinstein) Week 4 [396] Wkd $665K, Cume $4.9M
Fantastic Mr Fox (Fox) Week 5 [575] Wkd $600K, Cume $17.3M
Nine (Weinstein) NEW [4] Wkd $246K, Per Screen $61K
Young Victoria (Apparition) NEW [44] Wkd $249K
Me And Orson Welles (Freestyle) Week 4 [134] Wkd $159K, Cume $554K
A Single Man (Weinstein) Week 2 [9] Wkd $137K, Cume $469K
Crazy Heart (Fox Searchlight) NEW [4] Wkd $84K, Per Screen $21K, Cume $109K
The Lovely Bones (Paramount) Week 2 [3] Wkd $40K, Cume $197K
SATURDAY PM: Studio sources tell me that 20th Century Fox's Avatar is +15% from Friday when comparing matinees. But today's total will likely be down from yesterday because of the severe winter storm on the Northeast where it could drop -5% or more today.
SATURDAY AM: Fox's official figure for Avatar's Friday total is $27M from its 3,542 total domestic theatrical release, including a slow $3.5M from midnight screenings in 2,000 venues. But the North American grosses, aided by higher 3D ticket prices, picked up steam throughout the day. Now America's East Coast is slammed by a monster winter storm which could slow the movie's grosses.
FRIDAY 11:15 PM UPDATE: Fox insiders are telling me that Avatar will make $27.5M to $28M Friday. As for the bad weather, an exec tells me: "Storm was in the Carolinas area today/tonight and I understand that the DC area was getting hammered. I would have to say we did get hurt in that area of the country, and I am worried about the effect in the Northeast tomorrow. Even so, this movie is getting such an incredibly positive reaction that I believe the word of mouth is just viral and those that may have been prevented from seeing the movie today or tomorrow will be there eventually without fail."
FRIDAY 10 PM UPDATE: I'm told by sources that Avatar has been playing even with Star Trek all day until about 2:30 PM PT when 20th Century Fox's overall gross and location average for James Cameron's much ballyhooed technopic started pulling ahead. But 2D Star Trek had 400 more locations vs Avatar's 3,542 total domestic theatrical release, and a shorter running time vs Avatar's 160 minutes, and $7M in "pre-opening shows" vs. Avatar's $3.5M midnights in about 2,000 dates with a 3D ticket price premium. Of course, Star Trek had the benefit of decades of franchise awareness, while Avatar is a wholly new creation. Now Fox could be looking at mid- to high- $20sM for today from its 2,038 domestic 3D locations and 3,129 North American 3D screens and 179 all 3D domestic IMAX. Because the filmmakers are very concerned about the severe winter storm hitting America's East Coast and the huge negative effect it could have on the domestic box office. If there isn't significant attendance loss, then Hollywood is now estimating this pre-Xmas 3-day weekend's opening grosses at $80M -- or $27M for Friday including the midnight shows, then $30M on Saturday, and $23M on Sunday when most colleges and high schools are out Monday.
FRIDAY 9:30 AM: 'Twas the weekend before Christmas, but I refused to wax poetic about whether James Cameron's long awaited, much discussed, big budget technopic would be a gigantic hit, big hit, or modest hit until I saw some actual numbers. That's because 20th Century Fox's Avatar finally opened in theaters last night in North America and 106 countries overseas after years of fan curiosity, followed by recent months of negative buzz, followed by the past two weeks of mostly strong reviews (82% positive on Rotten Tomatoes). No one is predicting disaster for the film. Especially not after I can reveal what Steven Spielberg said after screening it on the Fox lot: "The last time I came out of a movie feeling that way it was the first time I saw Star Wars."
Rival studios reported to me this morning that midnight U.S. and Canada grosses were around $3 million with the 3D ticket premium. Then 20th Century Fox announced its official midnight screening gross of $3,537,000, including the 3D ticket price premium, from approximately 2000 theatres.
*UPDATE: I also just heard that internationally, Avatar is huge in Australia with $4.8 million from Thursday and Friday combined, and running double what 2012 which did not have a 3D premium did there, or $2.3 million. (By contrast, New Moon opened to $7.8M.) In Germany, Avatar debuted to $1.7 million, compared to 2012's $1.4M. (New Moon did $2.2M.) In Korea, Avatar opened to $1.4M, behind 2012's $1.9M. (New Moon made only $800K.) But in the UK, opening day was hit by snow so grosses are running behind with Avatar $2.8M vs 2012 $3.2M.*
*2ND UPDATE: Meanwhile, a giant snowstorm is expected on the America's East Coast, with 20 inches predicted for Washington DC.*
I've learned that today's matinees are running about 10% better than this summer's Star Trek. But with 3D films, matinees are normally higher because a larger portion of the business is done via presales. Then again, Fox is warning that the weekend before Christmas can be dicey for moviegoing because everyone is more focused on shopping and partying. And weather is already a factor. But movies which open the weekend before Christmas tend to do better multiples than normal from opening box office to lifetime. While in the summer tentpoles tend to have lifetime grosses of 3 to 3.5 times opening weekend. Whereas movies that open the weekend before Christmas can do 4, 5 or even 6 times the opening weekend. So if Avatar were to do $75M to $85M this weekend, it could still get to a $300M-$400M lifetime total which is what the movie's negative cost is thought to be.
Right now, Hollywood has refined its original unfocused $60M-$75M prediction upwards to $85 million for the 3-day domestic weekend -- better than the all-time December opening of I Am Legend at $77,211,321 but only because of Avatar's 3D ticket price premium.*
Remember, this is the biggest 3D release in movie history, spurred by the excitement surrounding Cameron's creation of the Fusion Camera System technology for photo-realistic computer-generated characters through motion capture animation. He wrote the script for Avatar back in the mid-1990s when he and Stan Winston co-founded Digital Domain. But when he took the screenplay to their special effects lab, Cameron was told it was just not possible to make the film with the current technology. So he sat on the project for more than a decade until there could be "several thousand 3-D screens" capable of showing the film.
This opening weekend, Avatar is playing in 3,542 total theaters domestic (including 2,038 3D locations and 3,129 3D screens and 179 all 3D IMAX), and into 17,222 screens overseas (including a total 3D and 3D Imax screens of 5,360, and a total IMAX 3D screens of 81).
Now, that's a wide 2D release but by no means the widest. And yet last night there weren't the usual reports pouring in to me of long lines and sold-out theaters after midnight, except for the IMAX 3D venues. Instead, Internet chatter and anecdotal accounts indicate moviehouses showing Avatar were not playing to packed houses -- at least not yet.
Tracking, too, had been mixed for the film. While there was big awareness and wannasee among males of all ages, girls and women weren't there at all. In fact, rival studios kept pointing out to me tht upcoming Sherlock Holmes was tracking better than Avatar in all quadrants.
Nevertheless, Fox is expecting Avatar to have legs domestically well into January. In any case, it's expected to outperform internationally (not unlike 2012 did earlier this holiday season.) As for those dopey media comparisons to James Cameron's legendary Titanic legs? Apples and oranges.
It’s the biggest December opening of all time, but we still get “only.”
You mean the second or possibly the third biggest December opening of all time. I Am Legend: 77 and Return of the King: 72.6. Avatar: estimated ONLY 74. Hah!
I got to see this yawner yesterday in 3-D IMAX. It stunk in all three dimensions.
Isn’t there a single new idea in Hollywood? It is always the evil government, the evil bureaucrat, the evil military, the evil business, the evil white man, the evil man-of-God. For a real blockbuster, you can put them all into one movie! Oooohh – how original!
Then why don’t you take your right-wing agenda out of the sand box and just go home. The other kids want to have fun.
Don’t be such a Left-WingNut! Joe has a good point.
Right wing agenda? Wow, I guess you didn’t get the message: Fight war with war (Afghanistan). I guess war is justifiable on Pandora since it appears to be a socialist planet. Although, I must admit, this movie kept me in the sandbox. Sorry for throwing sand in your face.
“Art is either revolution or plagiarism” and Hollywood doesn’t go for the revolution of an original script.
then why don’t you come up with something better??? Of course this movie is a cliche from stories told once before, same with Shakespeare plays and others who have become famous with stories that were once told in another way. The point is how its told and in this case how much marketing and hype a movie can achieve. Props to the technical aspect of this movie; I agree to some degree with the story – in all, this movie was just a nice movie to see with my family, not the best, just a nice action packed sci-fi movie, all politics aside.
Maybe when these issues are purged from our society, visionaries won’t feel the need to speak out against them. In the mean time, wallow in your ignorance.
You are so right, Joe…. it’s not so much a RW agenda as ‘John’ said in his retort, but rather it’s a tried and true formula that will get it’s money back and then some. It’s an industry, and a business. It’s the same stories over and over. There’s just too much money involved. Wait til the remake of ‘Brokeback Mountain’ or ‘The Untouchables’, or ‘The Wackiest Ship in the Army’ or ‘Cleopatra’ (with Lindsay Lohan and her fake titties, doncha know) as well as ‘The Thing’ and ‘When Worlds Collide’. Just need some CGI and whenever there’s a car/spaceship/M1 Abrams chase, crank the fucking sound up to ear-splitting levels in the theater and boost the bass so that the 10 dollar extra heavily buttered popcorn starts shaking. Oh, and don’t forget to pay off the critics so that they’ll ensure that crowds show up.
James Cameron may be a genius with visuals, but no one in Hollywood has the stones to tell the man that he’s a terrible writer. His hackneyed, dime-story love story makes all of the technology irrelevant if the tale being told puts you to sleep.
Well, all of you should have done your research and learn that he wrote the story in the 1990s. Those were the time where all of you wished to even have stories like his. It is not easy to make an original story but his story was original in the 90s. He was just told that he couldn’t be able to do all the special effects stuff with the technology available at that time. Terrible writer or you are just being plain dumb for guessing.
He may be “a terrible writer” but he makes a hell of a movie!
By the way, when is your movie coming out?
Of course there were elements that we have seen before. Big whup. Avatar is visually arresting. Word of mouth will be HUGE.
The same people criticizing Avatar probably had orgasms over 2012 and Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, the latest superhero debacle or don’t want Star Trek to be surpassed (yes, there are people like that out there).
We can compare Avatar to Dances with Wolves or umpteen jillion other things both cinematic and literary but the truth is there are very few original ideas left in this genre. Almost everything is derivative of something else — even when the writers are trying to be original. But at least I can say this film didn’t have any idiotic character moment “coincidences” that haunt you long after you’ve seen the film or plot holes big enough to fly a fleet of starships through.
And this was one hell of a beautiful film.
James Cameron topped himself, created some new 3D technology and created a damned good film that deserves to make a mint at the box office.
Some of you just can’t stand that.
Oh well.
I agree, anyone who did not appreciate if not love this movie should find another medium to enjoy
Well said!
Oh, please!
There were “no idiotic character moments”?!?! How about the “I see you” drivel? Or when the blue aliens melded their ponytails with the mythical creatures’ antenna? Or the line, “I think they’re going to launch some kind of shock and awe campaign”? Or the fact that all the bad guys were 1. grizzled white military males 2. white weasel small statured male corporation heads, and all the good guys were 1. scientists (read global warming hoaxers) 2. minorities (Latino female helicopter pilot). Even the blue people weren’t original, they talked with a JAMAICAN accent!
This movie so obviously catered to the left wingnut tree-hugging global warming hoaxer crowd it was ridiculous. James Cameron, who is one of the biggest jerks in Hollywood, treats his actors like slaves, makes a movie condemning the enslaving white race and capitalism, all the while making a huge payday himself off the very capitalist system he obviously is speaking out against. Do any of you that thought this movie was so good not see just a little hypocrisy?
I hope this thing bombs and we wait 20 years for another loser from Jimbo Cameron.
oh yeah, James Cameron, he’s such a loser and has had so many bombs, like Alien, the Terminator, Rambo, Titanic…
james cameron has so many bombs??? ohhh that explains why titanic was the highest gross film when it came out or why they are making terminator 5 from an idear he had in 1980s he can take a dump and it will be more creative than most of the bloggers on the net complaining about the story line. i not that sure but i swear that there was a black guy standing there talking about jake being meals on wheels. and when the fifteen minute preview screening of avatar tickets came out i take it that servers crashing from the pounding of people wanting to see it was just a thing that happens to all movie preview that come out these days
Folks, there are millions of old ideas with new twists out there. It’s the agency,studio system that’s broken.
Filmakers are making money and art.Just ask Cameron,Tyler Perry(yes, art to some,hundreds of millions of dollars to his bankers!),Robert Rodriquez, Tarentino, Lucas (yes him),Ang Lee, JJ Abrams, Wachowski Brothers, Ridley Scott,etc.
So,please stop dreaming of the old days, stop player hating filmakers that are making money,and enjoy your VHS of Chinatown.
Times have changed.
It was not so much capitalism itself he was speaking out against. It was more of the bad manifestations it can take.
And what is a left wingnut tree-hugging global warming hoaxer? And what does it have to do with this? The movie was impressive, you obviously had some idea about it walking in and tried to find every way you could to keep that idea.
Can you please explain to me how forcing innocent people out of their home or brutally killing them if they will not leave is a “capitalist” philosophy we should all be supporting? This movie is only anti-capitalism if you believe all capitalism involves killing people, in which case I would suggest you invest in a dictionary.
HAHa! Moviewatcher …you’re just pissed cuz you dont get a dime of that payday. Meanwhile, James Cameron has produced one of the most incredible pieces of movie making ever!
How does that go? the “left wingnut tree-hugging global warming hoaxer crowd” … so that means a good portion of the movie going public in the world?
Stop being such a hater, it doesn’t suit you well at all.
Incredible movie, a truly NEW retelling of the classic hero cycle. Great characters, great visuals, great story.
I don’t care how much money it makes the script is boring as bat shit and 300 million dollars of special effects doesn’t stop it being cowboys and indians in space.
Pity they didn’t find a writer who had an original idea in his head.
Cameron is past it and should stop.
Well, the script was written in 1990s when Cameron couldn’t make the movie because the technologies were not advance enough. Also, why are there so many complains about story when most of the stories out there are not that original at all. Get real people, originals are not easy to make and the story serve its purpose.
Avatar is the new Waterworld.
Close. It’s the new Dances With Wolves, ie, alienated white man sides with underdog for greater cause.
Actually, it’s a good enough show. Boring plot, fantastic cinematic experience. I wouldn’t have minded the tired plot if it had more of an original way of telling the story. (Well yes, Dances With Wolves in 3D is original, but maybe more captivating).
I just saw Avatar and have to agree, it’s much like Dances with Wolves but with giant blue Smurfs playing the part of the Pandoran indigenous people. Throw in an unhealthy dose of eco-weenie mother earth/Gaia worship (or should I say mother Pandora worship} African/Hindu chanting and you do not have much original here. Even when they were explaining how every living thing is tied together, I could not help but think “The force will be with you always, Luke”. To say that Cameron tried to emphasize the Pandoran religion in the movie is an understatement. Scenes dealing with being “born again” or spiritual healing and being brought back to life abound. PETA will be very unhappy about how the Pandorans exploit all manner of beasts to aid in Pandoran travel. And Pandorans pray over the food they kill thanking them for giving their life which will go on in their tribe. Very Native American or should I say Pandoran of them. Of course those that are technologically advanced are the bad guys. Sort of like the technologically advanced West and the third world. Never mind that the bad guys did try to help the natives but were rebuffed. I wonder why the natives needed poison tipped arrowheads if they were living such peaceful lives. Even the Lead Lady Smurf was going to kill the Avatar Smurf before she saw a divine sign. Looking at the film from a scientific point of view, I do not see how it is possible for mountains to be floating in the sky. Maybe it had something to do with the prized mineral. It was never explained. Apparently human beings had not yet figured how to defy gravity such as these mountains since human space ships need centrifugal gravity to stop zero g. Finally, the movie is visually beautiful in 3D but extremely boring in plot, with very little new science fiction ground broken. For the women, there is very little love interest here. Apparently if you want a Pandoran mate, you don’t get married, you just go to it. Wait till it comes out on DVD and save your $11.00.
Wow. So you really tried to find positives, huh?
Seriously, did you not see it in 3D? If I hadn’t, I would have totally hated it, too. If you didn’t see it in 3D, you didn’t “see it” (to quote the film), so your recommendation to wait for it on DVD is horrible advice… unless it has 3D glasses with the disc, it will no doubt disappoint. After seeing it in IMAX 3D yesterday, I will not see it in 2D, ever. When the trailer first came out, I mocked Cameron and his claims “I had to wait 10 years for the technology to be invented before I could make this.” After seeing it, I understand… and it was well worth the wait. Sure, the story’s been told before. But maybe every person seeing it isn’t you (the negative reviewer) and HASN’T seen something like this before… think like a Na’vi for a moment, and get over yourself. Add up the list of bad things about the film, and compare it with the good. For me, the list of amazing things is way longer than the short list of the standard complaints I read about: bland & unoriginal plot, poorly developed characters, theo-eco-evangelistic-preachiness (there’s some originality for ya–I just made that last term up). At least twice in the film, I got chills… the kind that are the reason I loved movies in the first place. The feeling that almost all movies made anymore fail to deliver. The excitement and wonder a child feels, and why getting old sucks so bad. If you honestly have a list of negatives that is bigger than a list of positives in Avatar, please let me no when the wake will be held: I’d like to show up and pay respects to the child in you that’s died.
From what you are saying, it’s sounds like the opposite is true. If you HAVE seen this movie in 3D, then you haven’t seen it.
I understand though. Although I had a bad feeling about this movie, my interest was piqued by reports of how good the 3D visuals were just by themselves. I considered going to see it just for that – already knowing that the plot sucked and would leave a bad taste in my mouth.
But then I figured, if Cameron is truly remaking the future of cinema, then why not just wait for an actual good film to come out in a similar format, then go see that?
So screw this movie. Screw all shitty movie makers. And screw Hollywood that makes far too much money from boring shit.
Now we have internet reviews, and so many films coming out, there really is no reason to financially reward anything substandard. It just sends the wrong signals to the people producing it and gets you more of the same.
We have a world population over six billion, and they can’t find someone who can write a screenplay worthy of a $300 million budget? I seriously doubt that could be the case unless something is wrong within the industry.
That means there are in all probability there are good writers – who’s work we would love – who can’t get a break because everyone is financially supporting some overpaid preachy envirofag instead.
So like I said, screw this movie. It’s part of the problem.
Then again, maybe they don’t charge enough, and our time just isn’t valuable enough to us. So we’ll happily pay a $15 and a few hours of our time just to see an effects demo reel. Kinda like how you can make a Youtube video for nothing, and somebody will watch it for nothing. We all just have too much time on our hands.
Either way, I for one will no longer forgive a lack of basic story elements because of effects. The effects are not what made Cameron’s Termnator 2 a masterpiece, and as far as I’m concerned his subsequent work can live and die by the same standard that makes that movie great even now.
That was beautiful man… serious.
I was truly touched on the emotional level with this film. Avatar delivered much more than I expected, and I had high hopes. I knew it was a love story that could be compared to Dances with Wolves. And on the basics, that could be considered true. But PEOPLE! this is JAMES F”N CAMERON!!! NOT FUCKING KEVIN COSTNER… fucking poop bag compared to Cameron. We all appreciate a good storyteller when we are kids right?.. Well that should never change and this Director is an excellent storyteller, one of the absolute best. This movie in 2D is still a great story, insane CG…INSANE!! wicked battle scenes and very honest touching moments between all the main characters. In 3D its blows your socks off!! period. you are involved in an absolute EPIC movie that feels like a ride that lasts for a great time, dont want to say long..sounds negative. seeing it many times this winter!! Thanks James Cameron, you are a large reason for my love of cinema and movies overall.
If you HAVE to see it in 3D it’s not a film, it’s a theme park attraction like Cameron’s first 3D effort. A truly great film can be watched on the big screen or on a tiny little iPod screen and still be appreciated.
ok.
i wrote on this blog a few days ago my thoughts about this movie and what i had heard about it.
1. i did not see it in 3d – anyone with glasses, has had RK surgery, wears contact lenses with one for seeing close and one for seeing far – can’t use the 3d glasses – as such this left out a lot of people.
2. i caved and went to see it in regular movie format on a big big screen theater.
3. even though it was in regular movie format i could see the beauty of the film and it reminded me of Princess Mononoke.
4. plot – sucked
5. when the movie was silent for the moralizing or the over the top (”let’s get this done and get back in time for dinner”) militantancy (thus anti-militant) of the “marines” or “jar-head tribe” I was giggling and received several “looks” from the liberal section of the movie goers in the theater who had come for their religious experience of the week.
6. i could not get over the similarities between sigourney weaver’s scientist in this movie and ripley in aliens. to that end, there was a ‘burke’ – the typical uncaring corporate type who actually pushes the toy stick forward to continue bulldozing the pristine area.
7. this movie was racist – sorry but it needs to be said. this is typical of white liberal guilt played on large screen. white guy takes on the cultural mores of the very closed indigenous tribe, then becomes its hero. PLEASE, spare me. White guys were the problem, and now a white guy is the savior, albeit in a kinder and gentler manner. WHAT A CROCK!
WTF? The indigenous people couldn’t have their own hero who, since belonging to the planet, could out think the ‘invaders’?
8. It reminded me of disney’s pocohontas movie.
9. And let’s remember the real history instead of revisionist history of this planet: it was the Spanish King and Queen who invested in the crazy idea of Chris Columbus an Italian ship captain who wanted to find a way to China for trading. The Spanish came in and rules Central and South America with an iron hand, wiping out tribes or getting them to wipe out other tribes (the enemy of my enemy is my friend) did the digging for gold at the expense of environmental protection laws. Many of the Spanish sailors bonded with native women and started families. They brought horses and a few other ideas (technology) that increased the prosperity for those that sided with the Spanish. Thus, the Spanish are to blame and so I chose to think that Cameron has a problem with Spanish people in general and their treatment of the natives and the environment.
Other than that – it was an ok movie and I’m glad I paid matinee prices.
Hope Fox gets their money back from all those libbies to pay for the sticker price of Cameron’s white guilt fantasy epic.
I’ve been wondering if the Fox News crowd is going to be criticizing the anti-capitalist, liberal-on-steriods aspects of this movie, or will corporate, News Corp loyalty prevail.
You do realize this is a FOX film.
I don’t think Fox News will be having their minions bash it.
Excellent review, I too was bothered by the fact it is 2154, they travel from Earth to Pandora and they still need the helecopter blade to fly? I know it’s just a movie however, that just doesn’t pass the smell test.
Yeah think of it from a corparate perspective. What’s gonna be cheaper even then?
Come on, stop criticizing ! At least he did something , WHAT did you realize YOU???
I think the movie was great, best 3D movie EVER! Great story, though…
By the way I didn’t know he was Canadian, always though he was American. Anyways, haters just have to keep their comments for themselves. YOU DID A GREAT JOB CAMERON… Great come back!!!
I just saw Avatar, and the effects are actually incredible. Now onto the story. The movie is a rip off of Dances With Wolves, and even throwing in a little of Pocahantas. For God’s sake the hero in the movie’s initial are JS, as in John Smith. Of course the evil white men are trying to exterminate the “NATIVES”. James Cameron should have just put them on alien horseback, and marched them down, THE TRAIL OF TEARS. Oh and the one brown skinned supporting character ( Michelle Rodriguez) trades sides because she couldn’t go along with whitey anymore. Come to think of it I think Keith Olberman wrote the script.
Actually. it rips off A Man Called Horse
Who else is going to exterminate the “natives” but the corporate giants and the evil white man?!? wouldn’t be too believable or much of a plot if it was the tree hugging scientists trying to take over the world and exterminate the cultures of the indigenous peoples…haha
Wow, how disappointing. These are some pretty insightful reviews and you guys seem to have very similar opinions. Sounds like this movie doesn’t live up to the hype. I especially dislike “Gaia Worship” movies. I think I’ll wait until it comes out on DVD and rent it for a buck at one of the red machines.
Wait until it comes on DVD and save 11 dollars? I’m speechless even more than you are clusless. Go back to sleep.
“Wait till it comes out on DVD and save your $11.00.” if you never want to see a movie studio take a risk with $400M of investor money.
Your assessment of the film seems rather weak. You fail to realize that there is a history of interaction between the two species that precedes the events of the story. The Na’vi held a deserving sense of contempt for the human invaders, and if you were capable of following the plot of the film as it was intended to be, you’d understand that. Besides, wouldn’t your reaction be at least bitter, if not hostile, were some extra-terrestrial species made camp here on Earth and started digging up your backyard? Or, if the effect of the suggestion escapes you, perhaps an example more involved in current global events: what if the dreaded Taliban just strolled across the border and started packing up American resources (assuming you’re American) and clamming them for themselves, and then offered to open schools to educate us all in the ways of Allah and Islam and other “extreme Eastern practices”? I’m sure the US and its citizens would be nothing but warm and accepting…
Plus, I’m sure the poison-tipped arrows could have some sort of hand in either food-gathering, defense, or war with rival Na’vi tribes. It didn’t seem to me that the movie’s intent was to paint the Omaticaya as a completely peaceful and loving people, but merely as resistant of the human oppression that was upon them.
And marriage? It’s a human invention–why WOULD the Na’vi practice it? You assume that because you hold certain opinions, they are necessarily right–neglecting to attempt to see things from the others’ perspectives. For instance, “just going at it” is the natural (animal and perfectly acceptable way of propagating a species, but because YOU believe in a concept of marriage before intimate relations, you judge the people. Moreover, you clearly relate and sympathize with the villains (humans) in the story simply because you are one–failing to recognize that, in a similar situation, you could just as easily be represented by the Na’vi if someone were trying to nullify your natural rights to live as you see fit.
And yes, the story clearly borrows from Dances With Wolves, Ferngully, and likely many others. But really, what’s wrong with that? It’s a message that clearly hasn’t been received, as similar injustices continue on today. There’s nothing wrong in honoring the classics while trying to reiterate their message, especially if it’s a noble one.
But, even if you’re unable to see the beauty in the story, at least see it for the beauty on the screen. The presentation will undoubtedly redefine the way we tell visual stories, influencing the future of cinema.
“Never mind that the bad guys did try to help the natives but were rebuffed.”
How exactly did they try to help the natives?
So, I want to start by letting you know thzt I will be eagerly awaiting your screenplay…
The movie had a very deep message and I find it hard to believe that anyone could not understand the vast and deep message. And about your comment about the flying mountains and the hunman soldiers using traditional spacecraft/aircraft… You said you were basing your criticism of that part of the movie on science. If you knew anything about physics, then you would knoow that we have NO idea what gravity is caused by. NONE. Our “laws” in the physics realm is constantly being amended or completely done away with. OPEN YOUR MIND.
The Earth as far as we know it, is our only god. This Earth has provided all of us with life yet we only destroy it and build our own monuments on top. That human beings should take a more introspective look at ourselves before we damn or judge another.
I felt the metaphsical aspect of the movie was brilliant. He presented these aliens as being incredibly spiritual people that were connected to the core of life. Maybe it was a god for their planet or a physical manifestation of life itself, Cameron did a great job explaining a very practical view of reality and our universe.
Amazing movie, DO NOT miss this in 3d at your therater.
I believe Dances with Wolves was a better movie. I also didn’t like the way Cameron draws from parts of Braveheart. I mean really, when the flying horses are going to clash with the “modern flying machines”, I thought they were going attack with long spears made from the giant trees. This movie falls far short of the hype I’m sad to say.
clearly you didn’t see the movie, so the next time you have a thought… just let it go
Actually I saw the movie last night at the Arclight. I walked out at 2am. The plot and dialogue were cringe-worthy
Agree with Blackline. Saw it at Kips Bay yesterday at 10:30 am.
Sad to say…you might be right. James Cameron is a control freak and in this case his control over everything detracted from the crativity of the film
Way to copy a Ron White joke there pal.
It’s actually a remake of the 50’s TV series named “Cochise”.
And Coshise had a budget of $25,000 an episode.
The landscape was wonderful story line a mix of tree huggers,environmentalists cheer leaders, fantasy and a miracle ending. Hubby fell asleep during some of it.
Some of the way the photography cgi done gave me a bad headache.
Decent story but very very long
The waterworld comment sums it up!
Not sure who your sources are but the calls I’ve seen range from $60m – $70m. $85m would be massive for a third weekend in December.
Nikki doesn’t use publicly available sources. He seems to know people at the studios. Or at least knows how to access their estimates. You won’t look bad for underestimating this movie. Many people did. The question is how many females will get on board. Hollywood.com says there are signs of under 25 year old female interest.
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lol. Nikki is a SHE, mfan.
Titanic didn’t set the world on fire at first either. This movie will have LEGS for lack of a better word and people will be talking about it all during christmas and through new years. It will also be mindblowing overseas…especially in Japan.
Exactly. 28 million for Titanic on opening weekend. True Lies was his biggest opening with something in the low 30’s, I think. I’m going to see the film but am not going to make it this weekend (or maybe not until the New Year).
On the downside, this January and February actually has some decent looking releases and it will be one of the tougher first quarters in some time. Titanic owned the box office up until April. I don’t see any way that Avatar is going to be able to do that.
Actually, Cameron’s best weekend was $146 million for 2006’s Aquaman.
Good thing Aquaman came out before Medellin, otherwise Cameron would’ve never even cast Chase for the lead role. Chase carried that movie. The special effects sucked.
Funny that Aquaman had to contend with rolling blackouts, and now Avatar has to contend with falling snow. Is this Cameron’s curse?
The Entourage references are brilliant.
I agree, the number of people coming out the theater saying they had to see it again at least one more time was quite big.
I noticed most of the audience was young and male, but that will change. The girl I saw Avatar with (in her twenties and has never seen Dances with Wolves) asked me what I thought about the film. I told her I liked it, then she got quiet then said, “I really really liked it.” She’ll tell her freinds . . . Next time I see it, I’ll see it in 3D and there will be more women in the theater.
To everyone who’s comparing this to Dances with Wolves. It’s actually more like A Man Called Horse, but that movie came out in the 70’s.
The difference between Cameron’s other movies and this one is story. Titanic had enough story content that it could have been a longer movie than it was without losing anything. Avatar could have been a good ninety minute movie. Instead it was made into a three hour “epic” that will have people talking all right. They will be talking about how boring the plot was, how silly the meta-physical references were, and how they should have spent their money seeing Blind Side again.
No, sorry, they won’t. Clearly you didn’t like the film, but it seems to be news to you that your opinion is only your opinion,l and it doesn’t have any influence on anyone else. It’s very obvious and easy to see the film has already got hugely positive word of mouth, whether you like it or not.
And what, exactly, was wrong with it’s metaphysical references? I’ve shared a similar view of life and the world around me–I thought the film’s ideas about the relationship of all things was quite accurate.
I was stunned to find that none of the Madison, Wi 3D IMAX showings are sold out yet, past noon.
We got in to see it tonight here in Madison, and the turnout just seemed average to me also.
My opinion of the movie: if you’d like the exaggerated politics and pre-chewed Hollywood liberal proselytizing of a “Fern Gully” remake on steroids, only stripped of funny or engaging characters and memorable songs, with lots of not-quite-human disturbing nakedness, but some cool special effects and futuristic concepts… then it’s great! I can see how it will work for some niche people, but I’d really like a do-over for those 3 hours.
Apart from midnight shows, the IMAX in central London has only one showing left with tickets this year.
Saw it myself last night, it was like nothing, and I mean nothing, I’ve seen before.
Performances were spot on, and as Sam Worthington’s character said he lost track of what was his real life and what was the dream, when I walked out the film at the end I wondered the same thing.
poor you, you better watch the movie in 3D. It is soooo not the same thing
More bad news – bad weather predicted this weekend in the Northeast. Just picked up Terminator from Redbox, but eventually want to see Avatar on the big screen. I think it will pick up steam over the next few weeks. I’ve heard great reviews so far.
It may take off ’slow-ish’ at the B.O. … but if this movie doesn’t have legs in it of the kind we rarely get to experience, I don’t know which movie will.
I saw it twice already and will see it again Sunday. So will the people I saw it with. It is an experience like none other since, yes, Spielberg is right, I saw Star Wars for the first time 1977.
Am in awe – and in love – with this beautiful, most stunning cinematic experience. I call it (repeatedly) ‘cinematic experience’ as I am not quite sure if Avatar really is a movie the way movies usually are.
That’s what I’m hearing. “Unlike any movie you’ve ever seen”, “A new paradigm in movie making” (Zoinks! $400 million a pop going forward; hopefully Moore’s Law will start to apply to movie making as well).
I think you’ll see a steam roll effect with ticket sales particularly with repeat viewers like yourself. Can’t wait to see it.
Also, to Rob’s point below, a 3 hour movie will exclude some weekday viewers.
waterworld II you must be an idiot, this sucks
Well, you can keep your bad comments for you, because Cameron did at least SOMETHING. What did YOU realize dude? euhhh…Let me guess, NOTHING !!! So ZIP IT!
What is this phrase “What did YOU realize dude?” Realize?
Maybe you mean, “What have you done, sir?” Ever pick up an English book? Guess not.
Jeff k. And everyone else with nothing but bad things to say is just a hater. This movie pointed to the reality of our civilization. We know that the way our race is exploiting this planet will soon destroy it. We know that hundreds and thousands of species dissapear every year due to the harm we cause as a race and yet we do nothing about it. All we have is oil digging and forest cutting bastards trying to get rich to have more in the future, when truth is there isn’t one. So wake up a**hole and smell the roses. Only ignorant hill billys like you fail to realize that a lot of the issues that are referrenced in this movie are crucial to the survival of our society. If you don’t know how to appreciate a good movie, its on YOU!
I agree totally! Absolutely fabulous movie, particularly in 3D I MAX.
well you have to remember its an almost 3 hour movie and most people have to work on Friday .I didn’t go last night because after the length of the film and then traveling home it would be about 4 am before I got home.I’m sure this film has nothing to worry about
AVATAR was shown in a limited amounted of theaters for the Midnight show. I saw it last night in SF and there was not a seat to be had. Oh, the movie was quite the experience can a movie be too perfect? Except for the closing theme song this was the best film experience I’ve had since I saw APOCALYPSE NOW at the Zigfield in NY on opening day and it reminded me alot of Coppala’s masterpiece. Just my 2 cents Cheers and happy holidays!
It’s breathtaking. I wouldn’t be surprised if word of mouth carries this movie very far. I wish there were more IMAX locations in existence, because it’s an incredible experience on that big screen.
You better watch it in 3D, it’s so much better! And more breathtaking
And with that, the doomsayer floodgates are open.
See you in March when Avatar laps TDK.
“And with that, the doomsayer floodgates are open.”
“See you in March when Avatar laps TDK.”
yep. Just copy pasted this one. should be fun seeing this “prophecy” come “true.”
we’ll see. we’ll see.
Can we talk about something other than Avatar, PLEASE?????? There are other movies opening, you know. Can we get some news on them this weekend in between your shilling for Cameron and his silly, boring, fanboy movie?
Have you seen the thing? Its breathtaking. Even if you don’t like these types of movies, it is amazing. I’m going to go back and see it in imax when I’m back in the states. I saw it here in uraguay, and I was stuned. Most of the uraguayans were too, Lthough there wasn’t that big of a turnout. This movie is definatldy going to travel by word. A masterpiece.
I’m almost 32 my friend…love cinema and I can tell you it’s everything you want but not “fanboy movie”. It’s one of the greatest movie I’ve ever seen. It just get in my top 3
So you haven’t seen the film, and you’re annoyed that everyone is talking about it, so you call it a “fanboy” film? So how is everyone talking about it? Is everyone a fanboy/girl?
Don’t get pissy just because the movie is getting a lot of attention, every weekend has a movie everyone is looking at, this is no different.
It’ll still do $100 million this weekend but could have been larger had FOX thought to market the film to women as well….men they have locked but there is a love story driving AVATAR and so TCF dropped the ball in not also marketing the pic to women.
Because a love story between blue people is icky. Especially when one is a real blue person and one is a fake blue person.
I’m as freaky as the next person but that love scene made me cringe.
If you want to know why the numbers are less than expected/projected for traditional screens, perhaps it is due to people finally understanding that you really need to see this film in true IMAX 3D to fully appreciate and experience it. Go see it the right way! It’s amazing!
Winter storm warning for the weekend in the mid-atlantic states. 10-20 inches of snow predicted. Then there’s last minute Christmas shopping for those who still have jobs. Sorry James, iceberg dead ahead!
Titanic opened on the same weekend, hot shot.
I wonder if Spielberg meant the first time he saw the final cut of Star Wars or the first time Lucas showed it to him and Coppola and they thought it was a piece of crap?
Nice try at sounding like an “in the know” hip cynic. Lucas acknowledges the first rough cut he showed everyone was terrible. It’s in the documentary DVD for the original trilogy. Duh.
As far as grosses are concerned, why is there no mention of the long running time? That has to be taken into consideration. Isn’t this movie clocking in at over 2 and a half hours?
Either way, seeing it on Sunday after the snowstorm passes through.
Titanic barely beat Tomorrow Never Dies its first weekend, and we all know how that turned out. I’m not expecting a repeat of Titanic, but this movie is off the charts amazing.
Fox and company need not worry too much about the opening. Avatar will have legs, ten foot long legs. The film culminates Cameron’s work so far, Terminator, Alien, Abyss, Titanic — it is all here; tears, fears and cheers. The “youth” that were at the screening I saw last night will see this film again. And the upfront costs will amortize over the next two films – because there will be sequels…
The Wednesday night preview screening I caught in Belfast, Northern Ireland was full to capacity a good twenty minutes before show-time. The audience certainly responded well to it and in terms of sheer spectacle we haven’t seen its like for quite some time.
Huge snowstorm on the East Coast is going to hamper things…
I saw it in Atlanta, 7:00 pm show, and the theater was not full. No snow here (yet).
Why all the hate for this movie. It’s like we invested money into this project. Who cares what he spent, its the studios money. I’m going to watch it anyway.
If this movie flops it will send a massive shockwave throughout the business and may be the end of spiraling film costs. If it succeeds, it will embolden the people who believe the future of movies is “tech and awe” and no story.
Of course it’s our money, you moron.
LOL, you the moron,not him! And stop blaming a person because he wants to watch the movie. BEST 3D MOVIE EVER, anyways
It’s a Movie,its purpose is to entertain, which it absolutely did, not to bring to light and correct every wrong thats ever been perpetrated by Humans in this world and or worlds if you will.Every once in a while maybe it wouldn’t hurt to be a child again and just believe. Only way to see it is in 3D /Imax, I’ll definetly see it again
It will also send the message that we don’t want anything original if it’s expensive.
Just saw the 3D version. Well done and very enjoyable. Will go see it again if asked by other freinds who have not yet seen it, but then I saw it at an AMC theater for only five dollars!
AVATAR is the Best Movie of 2009!
It’s also the Best Movie of the Decade AND the New Millenium!!
James Cameron ROCKS and RULES!!!
The 3-D effects are magnificent, the story is poignant and believable, and everything about this film is first-rate.
BRAVO.
dial it down a wee bit dude.
would want you to piss in your paths over a movie or director.
let the movie get born first before throwing epitaphs.
Found your way over here from AICN?
I think he’s saying this movie will be a special effects gamechanger like Star Wars was. There are already arguments over what categories of awards shows it should fit under. And if girls get on board, I believe it will beat Titanic, but that’s a big if at this point.
absolutely agree! Stunning movie!
I agree with you. I was suprised, IN THE GOOD SENSE of course…
YOU ROCK CAMERON
Awesome, Avatar was fantastic. 3D sure has come a long way.
*Tumbleweeds*
Since I am a certified sci-fi geek and most science fiction movies are quite bad this habit unfortunately forces me to watch a large number of bad movies. It’s one of my little perversions. I have just watched the most expensive B-movie ever made, the US$ 237 million Avatar by director James Cameron, famous for having produced films such as The Terminator, Terminator 2, Aliens and Titanic. Briefly summed up I would say that while it is visually spectacular, as is everything Mr. Cameron makes, Avatar has to be one of the most anti-Western and especially anti-white Hollywood movies I have seen in a long time.
The hero is the U.S. Marine Jake Sully who has been sent to the planet-like moon Pandora because humans desire the mineral resources found of Pandora, which is inhabited by a race of tall, blue-skinned aliens, the Na’vi. They have a non-industrial civilization technologically inferior to ours but apparently spiritually richer and in perfect ecological harmony with the natural environment. The hero predictably falls in love with the native culture and connects with a native girl.
“Going native” is in itself not an original theme; it resembles Dances with Wolves, only with aliens instead of Sioux. Neither is the preference for pre-industrial civilization, which was after all shared by a good man such as Tolkien in his The Lord of the Rings trilogy. Tolkien had personally experienced the meaningless horrors of trench warfare during the First World War and this naturally affected his view of industrialized society. What is different about the movie Avatar is how it portrays whites as a bunch of raging monsters, something which Tolkien never did.
Basically, the white characters are portrayed as brutal, greedy and insensitive beasts who rape the environment and destroy other cultures with a smile in the search for profit. The main antagonist is the white Colonel Quaritch, a brute who hardly possesses a single positive character trait. The final climax of the movie is when he screams “How does it feel to betray your race?” to the protagonist while he is trying to murder him. Although a few of the white characters such as Jake Sully are portrayed in a more redeeming light this is only because they totally reject their own civilization and join the other team in the fight. In other words: the only good whites are the ones who utterly turn their backs on their own destructive and evil culture. As reviewer Armond White put it, “Avatar is the corniest movie ever made about the white man’s need to lose his identity and assuage racial, political, sexual and historical guilt.”
Of course, back in the real world whites are among the most self-critical and least ethnocentric people on Earth, and have been so for a long time. Whites are also disproportionately represented in the environmental movement whereas many “diverse” Third World peoples couldn’t care less about the environment. But why let the truth get in the way of making a good anti-white movie? The fact that quite a few among the predominantly white audience cheered for this movie shows that anti-white hatred and stereotypes have become so widespread and accepted that most people cannot even see it, least of all whites themselves.
White Power, Avatar, White Power!
So you are basing your opinion of the movie on the fact that politics of this fictional story make you feel like white men are being offended?
Please…..
Nevermind that Jake, Norm, and Grace are all white. Just nevermind. What does any of Avatar have to do with race?! It’s a species thing.
Anonymous,
I will respond with the OP’s own words. “Although a few of the white characters such as Jake Sully are portrayed in a more redeeming light this is only because they totally reject their own civilization and join the other team in the fight.” He kinda mentioned that.
Many movies these days imbed social statements. I have not seen this movie yet, but to hear that it is essentially an alegory on white guilt does not surprise me in the least. Not that I have this information, I wish that I could wait for it to come out on DVD rather than going to the theater as I have promised my niece.
Dude, I’m white and *I* think whites are annoying, arrogant, greedy little fucks. Exactly how much of your life did you spend on typing up that spew? Was it really worth it?
“Whites are annoying, arrogant, greedy little fucks.”
Thousands of years of breeding gave us self-loathing “Mark”. What a waste of time.
lol… for your record a white person from USA is different than a white South African or a white Russian. So, it’s a matter of culture, not of color of skin!
THERE IS ONLY ONE RACE: THE HUMAN RACE! Get your facts straight!
Where does culture come from? Does it appear out of thin air and impose itself on a random section of the “human race?”
you just backed his argument. and i’ve heard others say the same thing about the movie. btw do you happen to know all white people, or just how they are presented to you in mainstream media post 1960s? or are you even white?
Your comment perfectly makes the original point commenter Avatar was making: you can’t see it, but in your case it is because of self-hatred, not blindness.
That’s because you live in the Hollywood bubble. Rest assured that the average White guy, who is told he is the root of all evil and destroying the world and wielding “White Privilege” while just trying to make a buck and enjoying no special privileges such as Affirmative Action, do not feel that way.
Joe Average White Guy finds neither himself nor his ancestry the sole cause of evil nor the sole repository of good, but does resent the hell out being told his entire life and way of life (i.e. working for a living) is evil.
Dances With Wolves did alright in the 1990’s when moralizing about how “pure” one was in a go-go economy appealed to wealthy yuppies. But you’ll note Costner was never the same since (Silverado was and is a much more popular movie, a straight-up Western of good guys and bad guys).
Avatar is likely to be a financial flop due to its high cost and unappealing story. Cameron flopped before with the Abyss with much of the same themes: evil “White Guys” and “one morally pure White guy.”
Critical issue: much of the movie is taken up with a CGI avatar, literally, with all the warmth and acting skill therein, without the wide, middle class sentiment of “Up.” So life is meaningless unless you become a big blue cat and space gardener and marry a big blue cat?
The movie is B-O-R-I-N-G in the way the Matrix sequels were. Stunning effects with empty emotions, characters you can neither hate nor love, empty moralizing and philosophizing that won’t appeal beyond Malibu Millionaires and their aspirants.
Movies that make money have characters that people love (and hate). Heroes and villains. Its not rocket science. It only looks hard because creative people who hit it big get worshiped as gods and lose all touch with the audience. Titanic was a movie appealing to women (guys LOATHE Leonardo Di Caprio). Terminator I & II was a guy’s action movie. This? Waterworld meets Dances With Wolves meets the Abyss. Technically superb, but an empty, Malibu Millionaire cliche.
Transformers may have been a schlock of junk, but at least it had a populist heart — Average Joe has to step up to save … Average Joes like himself. With a dose of Mom, Apple Pie, and Baseball thrown in. Plus he gets the girl, not a giant blue cat.
Avatar is definitely a lefty’s dream film; it’s what a big-budget tentpole film by MoveOn.org would look like. (All that’s missing is an alien Guantanamo and someone shouting “No blood for unaobtanium!”) The scene where Cameron deliberately evokes many of the visual cues of 9/11 is downright sickening. It’s a cinematic manifestation of what a lot of the radical left geniunely believe: The horrible destruction of the Twin Towers, like the destruction in Avatar, is America’s fault.
Still, for all it’s cheerleading the downtrodden indigenous and hissing at America’s military and corporations, when the alien huntress finally gets it on with the white guy, she takes out her African-style braids and straightens her hair. I guess political correctness only goes so far.
LOL-think much do you ?
Yes, I do. You should try it sometime.
dude. it was a freakin alien. I don’t think we’re supposed to assume it should have curly hair.
I mentioned this to some black friends with whom I saw the movie, and they stopped, thought a minute, and said, “Oh my God! She did get herself some good hair!” Whether or not she had kinky hair – although also note the two alien women were both played by actresses of African heritage – the imagery of that is still loaded. This is a film where everything has a political meaning.
Someone asked me, “So it’s a sci-fi film with political overtones?” I replied, “No, it’s a political film with sci-fi overtones.”
Actually, the braids are a design decision to cut costs. Braids are a lot easier to render than individual hairs. They can do hair like that, but the time to render each frame is exponentially greater. They have to raytrace all dynamic lights, reflections, hdr sources, etc. Braids save a lot of money.
It has nothing to do with any of this racist crap. How you guys can go from ten foot tall blue cat people to some crazy white power screed is beyond me. And it’s sickening.
So, why did they straighten her hair for the love scene? If you’re right and it’s all economics, then it should have stayed braided throughout the movie. It actually cost MORE to change it for the one scene.
Nioe see you read your own fears and worldview into the review. It’s all about how you tell the story, and it was most entertaining. So much better than “Dances with Wolves” (Costner sucks at pretty much everything)
Maybe you can wait for Halloween XXVIII so you can see something you’ll understand.
Oh, but we make such great villains.
It’s like an epic Ferngully.
“Whites are also disproportionately represented in the environmental movement whereas many “diverse” Third World peoples couldn’t care less about the environment.”
Don’t forget those pesky homosexuals and deviant black people. You just KNOW they enjoy destroying God’s white earth.
My God! This is a chic flick like Titanic!!!
I absolutely agree with “Avatar’s” comments in general. My husband and I were offended by the political agenda embedded throughout the movie. From statements like “We’ll terrorize the terrorists” that satirically indict our reaction to terrorist attacks, to their outright reference of “Shock and Awe” by the unquestionably “American” military psychos.
This movie is predicated upon clear allusions to race, mainly black and white; but in general it’s a political movie that is more Anti-American than Anti-white (there’s just a strong stereotype equating one with the other in this films analogous characters).
But what do you expect from Hollywood? The effects and cinematic technique can still be appreciated, and those with intelligence are used to filtering out the flotsom infused into our media by the liberals who control it.
“We’ll terrorize the terrorists”
Yeah, you shoulda heard the groans in the audience when he said that line.
your reading way to much into this film. relax
its not about race you sci-fi fuck tard
I just got back from seeing this movie. I’m mildly offended that the makers of this movie think they can treat me like some backwards native. They try to wow me with pretties and then move in while I’m distracted and take over the way I think. The fact that they were so indelicate about it and so clumsy almost makes me despair of our entire society. Since that seemed to be the general message of the movie anyway, maybe it did it’s job.
Usually I don’t mind a little bit of agenda in a good movie. After all, people make movies and people have agendas. The breaking point for me is when the agenda, and not the movie, comes first. I didn’t pay for 2.5 hours of propaganda. If they were merely trying to make a point or to point out a real danger by using metaphor and allegory then i would not have a problem. This however is reasonably well thought out and pre-meditated brain-washing. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were subliminal messages like “don’t use gasoline” and “vote for Obama.” We are very lucky that the average person is not taken in by flashing lights and novelty, or very soon we would find ourselves in a society of people who value trees and animals over humanity and think that if we all just listened to mother earth there would be no war and everything would go back to how it was in the garden of eden.
We are so screwed.
I can’t believe that “some” White People are actually offended by Avatar – it’s actually very fair & balanced to “White People”. Who are the “Bad Guys”? White People. Who are also the “Good Guys”? White People. In both cases, they are “White People”. If anyone should be “offended”, it should be the “Navi”, but we all know they don’t really exists. It is very narrow minded to only look at one side, and say, Avatar is “Anti-White People”. And then to say that this has anything to do with Obama is just fuckin’ ridiculous. If anything, it says that we as “people” should be more concerned with preserving other cultures & living systems, and not just fuck everything up for a corporate buck.
” They try to wow me with pretties and then move in while I’m distracted and take over the way I think.”
If your mind is that weak to be taken over by a movie, you have far more important things to worry about.
I, personally, tried not to read too much into the movie and just tried to be taken along by the story. I think the experience was much better being “taken along for the ride” instead of trying to analyze every single piece of minutiae displayed.
I think if you constantly compare it to real-world scenarios, you are going to lose a lot of value to this movie. It’s a STORY, PEOPLE!! Let the movie maker tell you a story, and let yourself suspend reality for about 3 hours and enjoy the experience.
My god, not everything has to be propaganda just because it doesn’t spread a message you don’t agree with, or even a message at all.
Just goes to show white people only see what serves their “anti-white” crap…
The military fighters fighting the Na’vi, including Mr. “get-some” were VERY diverse. But I guess you all went for popcorn during those parts. The “colonel” was white, yes. He was a raving lunatic, yes. But Giovanni Ribisi’s character was played more sympathetically as having a job to do.
The scientists were all white! The lead was white. Oh wait, the one scientist was arab. Anti-white? I mean, give me a freaking break!
I agree with the bulk of the comments by Avatar. I think however he missed the object of derision of the film. The film is anti-American, anti-capitalist not anti-white.
As I left the film I said to the group I was with, “it was a good show, and a good show last time I saw it…….Dances with Wolves”.
Hey Avatar,
First of all when the Colonel Quaritch screamed “How does it feel to betray your race?” He didn’t mean white race! For your record, there is no white, black, yellow… race. There is ONLY THE HUMAN RACE! (the color has been defined in the past by white supremacy england who did want to divide people coming from different background)…
Second of all, will it change something if that colonel (the brute as you call him) was black. Let’s say if the character was played by Denzel Washington???
Third of all, I’m myself white American born- Canadian and there is a lot of real facts in the movie. And yes A LOT of white people are the way they are described in Avatar, in the real life !!! We have to stop lying TO US!!! Do you think Africa (It’s a CONTINENT by the way, not a country like most of North American think) which is the MOST RICH CONTINENT OF THE WORLD (They have everything over there: petrol, gold, diamond…) !!! would be so poor if our governments (which are composed of whites and blacks in North America)didn’t have a role to play???
Come on, think a little bit ! Yes We are the cause of their poverty. Not only white people like you thing but the west (white, black, Asian people background, and even some natives…)
The human species is made up of many different races. Simple genetics, not some English plot!
Oh please…throughout history of both this country and Europe, the “white man” has raped, pillaged and conquered in the name of manifest destiny – and it is chronicled in many films. So really, Hollywood is taking a different turn and putting the focus on the ugly deeds and make (gasp) the natives triumphant! C’mon! That never happens! Spare me the “cry for the poor white man” monologue.
Rather rich, to quote, of all people, Armond White (a raving lunatic), when complaining about anti-white bias.
After literally decades and generations of anti-non-white movies, to hear the sniveling complaints of white people like Avatar makes me want to throw up. Generations of non-whites have had to grow up with Tarzan movies where a white man goes native and dominates all the Africans, Westerns where Indians were killed by movie “heroes” like John Wayne, Rocky movies where we’re asked to cheer a Black man being beaten into submission, Dirty Harry movies where Clint points a gun at the head of a Black man and says a really cool line, not to mention the countless other white supremacist movies that have glorified white people and demonized non-whites for the past century. Can you imagine what that has done to our self-esteem, to our self-image? Have you ever given a second’s thought to it? You know you haven’t because you didn’t give a damn as long as your egos were being fed. Spare me your complaints. You’ve still got hundreds of movies and dozens of TV shows where the white guy is the big hero. We’ve NEVER had that. You’ve had it your way since Birth Of A Nation and we’ve suffered for it. You don’t get to have hurt feelings.
I just saw the movie today 11:30 am NY time, and found it to be quite breathtaking. The start is a little slow, but stay with it and you will be rewarded. The ending combat scenes involving a large theater in the air are well worth the price of admission. The views of the jungle, and the creatures inhabiting it are really cool and unique. I give it a solid three stars.
Here in Trinidad, the movie opened on Wednesday and all 3D shows since then were SOLD OUT. Its definitely raking in the cash. That midnight number is a bit meh though.
I saw Avatar in Imax 3D and was disappointed in the plot and dialoge. The visual effects are great but it remianed me of the Disney Movie Pocahontas. Could they afford to hire a writer?
Sorry folks but its not the game changer the media will have you believe. Its a small step above of what Zemeckis is doing with his mocap flicks. The more I think about the flick the more disappointed I get. Its just another product. There’s nothing special or unique about the story in any way. Trust me you’ve seen this movie before, but done better in their prior incarnations. Sure it looks pretty, the visual effects are top notch, but sorry to say…that’s it.
I agree with you completely.
This movie will drop off quickly after most everyone sees it only once. The visual effects were just OK
Let me just be the first to say that I am so sick of computer effects in movies I can’t see straight. If I want to see a computer cartoon, I’ll go see UP (which was great and apparently unlike Avatar actually had a unique, original compelling story). One of the joys of the Dark Knight (and no, I don’t think that was the greatest movie ever made–but a good summer flick) was seeing actual stunts and real stuff being blown up. All the CGI in the world can’t match that effect. Right now I’m still in the “pass” camp on Avatar.
… and the weakest moment in Dark Knight was the CGI “skyhook” balloon-to-plane escape, especially when it was done without CGI in “Thunderball”.
It won’t surprise me if the film has a less than stellar turnout given that the film portrays the humans as the bad guys. People like to root for the home team.
International audiences will see the humans as Americans. They will line up to see this movie. That and it’s reputation for being the latest and greatest special effects.
Visually stunning, intellectually vacuous, I walked out after what seemed like an eternity.
Let me see, the white people were bad, the non-white (blue) people were good.
The white people were greedy, the non-white people were spiritual.
The white guy who decides his people suck, and the non-white people are good is the hero.
What an original script…
“Visually stunning, intellectually vacuous.” –Devin
This movie was a colossal bore. A gorgeously rendered epic bore. That’s what’s so offensive about it. Not the shallow race/climate politics, but that a $400 million James Cameron sci-fi movie could be this dull. –Nytiris hot though
These two quotes are all anyone needs to know about this movie.
From what I’ve read on forums, it is because middle America is tired of the same old “holier than though” plot of the movie. The natives are one with nature,innocent occupiers of the virginal forest. Then here comes the big bad corporate fat cats destroying all in their wake for greed.
Anyone who has read real science fiction like Isaac Asimov and William Gibson probably feel the same way I do. Disappointed that instead of taking advantage of the the fantastic capabilities of the fusion camera system they wasted it on yet another greenie-weenie propaganda film.
So, the movie would have been better if the humans were simply allowed to massacre the natives to get the minerals?
Anyone who has read real science fiction would realize that Cameron has borrowed Avatar’s plot nearly wholesale from Poul Anderson’s “Call Me Joe”. THAT’S more offensive than the supposed politics of the film.
@Pete
No, it would have been better if it eschewed a tired political message for a truly original plot. James Cameron is an inventive, creative, talented writer, but this is one of his weakest scripts. What a waste to spend so much money and ground-breaking technology on such a derivative story. There’s so much great and original science fiction to draw from, why make Pocahontas/Dances With Wolves/Ferngullie in space?
Because James Cameron is also known for the commercial viability of his projects. Think of it as any of a number of commercials you see on TV making fun of men. Because guys are secure enough to notice, but not go bonkers over it, while making a woman or a minority look silly will draw a negative reaction. Who to make the bad guy in a conflict is always interesting. Remember the many “the butler did it” movies? Because the butler was considered the most trusted member of the household staff, and thus the most shocking person to have “done it”.
My take is that Cameron is strong on visual effects (Terminator II was stunning) but weak on story. This echoes (if you ever saw it) “the Abyss” where he pioneered a lot of effects but the story was the same old “Dances with Wolves” stuff and betrays a misanthropic view of human nature. Like a lot of Hollywood people, I get the sense in Cameron’s writing that he does not like average people much. No doubt he’s seen greed, envy, fame, and the other after-effects of Hollywood turn decent nice people into monsters.
But he lacks the character mastery say, of Fred Zinneman in “Day of the Jackal” or Jeb Stuart (Die Hard) or Luc Besson’s Taken. All of which have heroes you root for and villains you fear/hate.
Take one scene in Taken where the hero shockingly shoots someone you don’t expect. Its no special effects extravaganza, but shows you the hero has made his decision, he will do ANYTHING to get his daughter back, has no limits, and easy official corruption won’t be tolerated. Its both decisive dramatically and cathartic for the audience (who has followed the hero through a corrupt maze of prostitution-slavery).
Could Cameron ever conceive of that? No. Because Hollywood’s riches and fame and corrosive effect have left him both angry/bitter/shocked (in thinking that America = Hollywood, it does not) and well, decadent. In longing for some mythical purity of primitivism, which runs throughout his works. Tolkein’s and Jacksons LoTR, meanwhile, had the Shire as a real place filled with imperfections, but therefore loveable. Jackson’s NZ Kiwi friends and family clearly stood in for the Shire in character and style, not surprising since NZ itself twenty years ago resembled 1950’s England in moral codes, behaviors, attitudes, and so on.
I’m actually put off by theme as well.
EXACTLY…this movie is going to be the most expensive middle-finger to America ever produced….
There is no way they are going to break even on this. Most of the people I know have no desire whatsoever to even see this film. You need buzz beyond just those computer geeks and gamers that a movie like this would appeal to in order to reach the $400 million mark.
I would be surprised to see this film get much more than half of that.
Guess it depends on who you know My friends aren’t gamers or techies and everyone is going to see this. everyone has there point of view
I watched Avatar this afternoon, it is visually stunning! I was in awe of the catlike creatures …. the message seemed to be about an evil corporation using the USA military to exploit the natural resources of a foriegn planet..sound familiar? The 3D was revolutionary and amazing. Avatar is a masterpiece!
Based on what I’ve seen so far, I think “Avatar” will out-Dune “Dune”. In other words, a big flop despite all stars aligning on this project. and WOW! Another movie that looks exactly like a video game.
I would really like to see the games you are playing, because the ones I’m playing aren’t even remotely as good looking as Avatar. An because I’m 3D artist and games developer myself, I can quite safely say it will take quite few years till they will…
I actually liked Dune.
The problem with Dune is and always will be, that there is too much plot detail and interconnectiveness for the screen. Those of us who have read the series, enjoy the movies; but without the backstory, non-readers can’t understand the nuance of the movies.
Oh come on, judge the movie on its merits, and forget about all this agenda crap. So what if Jim Cameron watched Dances with Wolves one too many times? This is easily the first major Hollywood movie where CG characters are believable, realistic and emotional. I defy anyone to watch the moment where Neytiri pulls down a leaf and lets water spill into her mouth, and poo-poo what Cameron has accomplished. Seriously, Zoe Saldana deserves an award for her performance.
This movie will have an extremely long run at the theaters. Even most of the Drudge crowd will eventually see it.
Most people don’t want to do right, they just want to be told that what they’re doing is right; hence, the vitriol from the Drudge/FoxNews crowd.
You are correct. The same goes for the left. Thats why I am a moderate because I can think for myself and don’t have to do what the left or right say.
Exactly.
Seriously, what are you smoking? This entire movie was a diatribe against America wrapped up in a pretty little bow. Maybe Cameron thinks we are too stupid to get it, that he is far too clever for the average American to pick up his oh-so-subtle jabs.
Does it look pretty? Yes. But this movie is like going out with the prom queen who is deaf, dumb, and pretty much hates everything you stand for.
He ruins a potentially good movie by drowning the audience in left wing nonsense and a mind-numbing dialogue. This had a change to be something special, but turned out to be Micheal Moore’s dream vacation at Lucas’ CGI factory.
To be honest I’m a conservative who saw this movie and while I can obviously see the political overtones of this movie, I still thought it was great. If I went through life never seeing a movie that didn’t have political statements in it I would never see any movies! All in all I loved this movie and will be seeing it again, just leave your political ideologies at the door folks and enjoy the movie, that’s the only way anyone will ever enjoy anything out of Hollywood. And yes I am an avid Fox News viewer and even some of us can enjoy a movie for what it is, entertainment. Lol
Probably just the best movie I have ever seen!!!
I was left speechless and almost numb.
As a matter of fact the drive home took some adjusting to.
The 3D is that good! The story is that good!
Their is great and their is better Avatar has set a new Cinema
benchmark which may never be repeated…
Happy Viewing!!!
I guess you have not seen many movies.
Watch for the new right-wing meme that the film is “treasonous” and “anti-American” in a “time of war” — coming your way soon via the wingnut echo-chamber….
you sound like you know a thing or two about life in an echo chamber
I would agree with you except Fox produced this movie and I doubt Fox News is going to go against its own Corp.
Ummm…I don’t think that Fox, which effectively writes and disseminates the primary right-wing talking points in this country, will deep-six its own film. Sure there won’t be a tea party for it, but Murdoch is a businessman and only does the ideology thing when it makes him money.
But I do believe the movie’s message will mute the box office haul. The climate talks may help the movie since climate change is in the news so much right now, but the Sarah Palin crowd will not get into it since they deny climate change is even a problem worth doing anything about. I think there is a lot of overlap between the Sarah Palin crowd and the persons who watched Titanic multiple times.
While I think that people who use the term, “Climate Change” are morons (because what does climate do over generations, but change? Anyone remember a thing called the Ice Age?) I still thoroughly enjoyed this movie. I suspended my hold on reality for 3 hours and let the movie tell me a story. The visual effects were beautiful. Yes, the story reminded me of Dances With Wolves, but I still enjoyed it.
Lo and behold, I still retain my views and beliefs after I’m done watching the movie. Because, it’s just a movie. Try enjoying the ride, for once.
Went to see the first show and was stoked to see it.
It is technologically impressive but anyone outside of the business won’t see it. It’s no better looking than any other 3D film to the average person.
I appreciate Cameron’s love for the environment but these themes have been played out ad nauseam. And the love story was a three on the Twilight scale.
But it is the closing credits that tell you who this film was for and how the filmmakers felt about it. Cameron first, 20th, Cameron again, then the tech and CGI people, the producers, the music guy and then the actors. It is the actors who bring emotion and life to a film.
This film has none.
DUDE, WITHOUT JC THERE WOULDN’T BE THIS FILM, LOL! OF COURSE HE GETS TO BOW FIRST AND AGAIN. NO ACTORS? HOW THE HELL DO U THINK HE CREATED THE CGI CHARACTERS AND THEIR LIFE-LIKE MOVEMENTS? PLEASE READ MORE ON THE PRODUCTION OF THIS FILM BEFORE YOU MAKE ASININE COMMNENTS.
It’s important to remember that “Titanic” did only $25 million its opening weekend. This was partly due to its running time. That first weekend was considered a modest disappointment.
What made it a phenomenon were its incredible legs. It just went and went and went, weekend after weekend.
Too soon to say if this is the same scenario, but I wouldn’t be surprised.
Powered by the repeat performances demanded by the young women of the time. Good luck with that here. The are far too many explosions and very few Love Story scenes to entice the young females back to the theater. Like Die Hard, people are going to see the once and that will be it.
Do you actually hear yourself? Stop talking in Hollywood cliches, women will see a film if it’s good, not because there isn’t enough of a love story or too many expositions.
My sister, who had never even heard of the movie a week before it opened, is going to go see it again. My brother-in-law, who was poo-poohing it as America-bashing and reused storyline (based on what he’d heard) is now going to go see it.
I’m going to go see it again and take my wife this time — and I’d sworn off EVER going to see a movie in a theatre again. Avatar on Friday was the first one I’d been to in about a year.
I’m on the right side of the political spectrum, but it was a *fun* movie. I’ll bet there’s a lot more repeat business than you think.
Fern Gully on CRACK.
With just as much writing, plot and dialogue.
I do get tired of putting up my hard earned money to be told I’m the cause of all the universes grief.
What’s the matter – You got a guilty conscience
“Most people don’t want to do right, they just want to be told that what they’re doing is right; hence, the vitriol from the Drudge/FoxNews crowd.”
Ponderous. What in the hell are you talking about?
BTW – this movie just looks bad.
The Drudge/Breitbart owned Big Hollywood website has been flogging the “anti-America, anti-white” talking point about Avatar for over a week. Nikki is routinely linked by Drudge. Hence, you are seeing the same kind of comments here.
okay, that makes sense. I couldn’t figure out why all the white power posts tonight. thanks for the insight.
um…..sorry- I have’t read ANYTHING negative about this on Drudge or Fox, and YES, I do frequent them- I have come to these conclusions all on my lonesome. This movie is a leftist hit-piece, pure and simple. Do you honestly think that everyone who disagrees with you is some sort of puppet? I’ll debate you into the ground on any subject, any time. It is this better-than-though-art attitude that you display that is going to cause you to wake up confused in a puddle of your own sweat come the morning of November 3rd after the mid-terms. We are tired of having our opinions marginalized, and Mr. Cameron is going to suffer big-time in the wallet for releasing this movie as an ideological trojan-horse. The sooner you idiots realize that the majority, or AT LEAST HALF of the country disagrees with you..the sooner your empty lives will find purpose…that purpose would be the quest for common sense, so that you can keep up with the rest of us- now go outside and freeze in the “global warming” I’m quite sure you believe in….
see, just the fact that you are talking about midterm elections on an industry website about the movie business makes you seem a little fanatical for the right wing. Fox put this movie out, and I don’t think Rupert Murdoch is down with leftist propaganda. stop being so paranoid.
the only thing worse than the drudgebots are their opposite number who crop up at the first hint of criticism on “values” grounds or really any critique that rankles them for some unknown reason
whether your knee jerks right or left, it’s still a knee jerk and a pretty sad way to determine how you feel about the world…personally I think the Abyss and Titanic, both terrible movies, and Aliens which was massively overhyped in its day, are more than enough reason to approach a Cameron venture with due skepticism and dread
This film was spectacular. Everything about it: story, flow, depth, and above all the visuals, make this a masterpiece. It was simply stunning. The colors and effects of the forest in the evening with the glow was so beautiful. I’ve never seen anything like it, and I’m sure you haven’t either!
OMG, this is going to be bigger than Star Wars!!! Sorry, Drudge Report and Fox-news puppets.
Just watched it in 2D in Lithuania (I’m an expat). It sucked. Flat out sucked. Audience was about half-full though which isn’t bad.
The effects aren’t stunning … they’re what you’d expect today. Nothing was stunning about it, least of all the score. What a terrible musical score this movie had.
The movie is really a throwback to the old Morality Plays the Medieval church put on: preachy, allegorical, and stupid.
Very stupid. I hated it as did my twenty-five year old daughter and her boyfriend.
The movie was meant for 3-D viewing. You didnt really see the movie IMO.
Avatar is anti-American, anti-Western. It’s typical Obama-style leftist self-loathing anti-American tripe.
This film was in production long before anyone had even heard of Obama. Must you blame Obama for everything. Did Obama finish your milk and put the carton back in the fridge, too?
Doing double 2012 numbers in Australia is impressive … curious to see what its total Int’l box will be
Here in NEPA, many , many empty seats. After viewing, poor very poor.
I don’t believe this movie will have legs as such. Titantic had legs because tweens were seeing it again and again thanks to the fact it was a love story and starred Leo. Moreover, Star Wars and (to a lesser extent) Star Trek had legs due to the built in fanbase. Avatar has neither going for it. I highly doubt anyone will want to see it twice at the B.O.
Well, speaking here on behalf of “anyone,” I’m gonna see it twice — I want to see how the 2D version looks — and so, ipso facto, your statement is incorrect. Sorry.
I’ll be seeing it a second, third, maybe even a fourth time. I thought the movie was unbelievable. Stunning is the best word to describe the movie. It is hard to even focus on the movie with the stunning setting of Pandora playing out on the screen. Everyone needs to see this movie before they write it off as stupid.
This is one movie that I will not see…Ask me why? Because I am not a basher of freedom and of America. This producer/director made so much money with the movie Titanic and now he comes back with an America bashing movie while this economy enabled him to become a very rich man…What a hypocrite. I wouldn’t give this guy the time of day so why should I spend $10 of my hard earned money to make him richer than what he is…He to me is the typical Hollyweird guilt ridden liberal who realizes that he makes so much money for very little and he feels obligated to bash America and free enterprise. So to James Cameron I say, get a life.
Cameron is Canadian. And no matter what his nationality, he’s entitled to his life and his opinion.
Where to even begin?
First off, in today’s day and age, we are citizens of the world, not merely one country – we are all interconnected, which is what Cameron was illustrating in Avatar.
These are scientific facts. When you fuck with the eco-system, when you disturb the ecological equilibrium bad shit happens. I understand that as a xenophobic neo-con this is hard to understand and accept; however, I have SEEN firsthand environments and indigenous cultures destroyed by mining and oil conglomerates. The jungles of Ecuador have been laid to wastelands of oil sludge by Texaco, and the native people displaced. The Democratic Republic of Congo has vast tracts of pitted land where companies such as Bechtel and American Mineral Fields have completely decimated the jungle while mining for gold and coltan. And the people are suffering – many do not even survive on 1$ a day. When US companies do bad shit abroad, yeah, it is our responsibility to hold them accountable.
Second, I am PROUD to be a liberal tree-hugger because I recognize that the fucking air I breathe comes from the 3 lungs of the world: the Amazon, the Congo Basin, and Papua New Guinea. Yes, we get oxygen from trees – imagine that!
Third, directing a movie is one of the most all-encompassing professions in the world. It is hard work. People in the film industry work long and hard, and I’ll be damned if we are going to listen to barraging comments from you wing-nuts from the Drudge Report. There is an I.Q. prerequisite, you know.
you must have flunked the IQ test, most of our O2 comes from the oceans, not trees, dumbass
Oxygen most definitely does not come from the ocean. No wonder we’re in so much trouble…
“Yes, we get oxygen from trees – imagine that!”
While preaching, please do remember that carbon dioxide (CO2) is absolutely necessary for plant life. That the EPA considers CO2 a pollutant is beyond moronic. People who use the term, “Climate Change” are equally moronic. Last time I checked, the weather fluctuates (and also has done so over the millenia and beyond, e.g.: Ice Ages and varying intense warm periods) which is, *gasp* the climate changing! To believe that we have any effect on a planetary system that is many times larger than us is beyond the height of conceit.
That mouthful said, I still thoroughly enjoyed the movie! Loved it! And I’ll see it again. Because, my mind is not weak enough that a single movie could affect the way I perceive the world. I also let the movie makers simply tell me a story, instead of trying to force reality upon it.
Another hate the white man, hate industry, glorify Global Warming propaganda film just like, ice age, or that stupid penguin movie. Im not going to the propoganda film.
Where exactly has this “anti-white” talking point been coming from?
‘Avatar’ is like the greatest movie ever made since ‘Gone With The Wind’ and ‘Titanic’!
What a let down! The movie is incredibly boring. Tired plot, tired dialogue. It really is just “Dances with Wolves” meets the Smurfs meets the sucky Matrix sequels. Even the effects get boring–you just get used to them by the end and start noticing the abysmal plot/dialogue/cliches. The movie is way too long and bloated. I’m a huge Cameron fan and had high (but not insanely high) hopes. But this film sucks any way you slice it. Unlike some of his other work, it’s intellectually vapid. The ideas are really dated and stale. Boring, boring, boring. I would be shocked if this actually made money. Word of mouth is going to kill it. I’m telling everyone if they like the Matrix sequels or the last couple M. Night Shyamalan pictures, they will LOVE this. If not, then pass. Avatar is a really bad film. And for all the hype, it’s also surprisingly unambitious. TOTAL EPIC FAIL.
just saw it in digtal hd 3d, thought it was the best movie i’ve seen since return of the king (lotr 3), had a tear or two during the last half, didn’t weep but found it touching, not as cliched as predicted in some sour reviews, technology displayed in the production is right up there at the top of all time, stunning yet subtle use of the 3d, good acting, and not a bad story at all, not surprized it won’t be in the top 10 moneymakes of all time, as I doubt it would do too much repeat business, and i don’t think it will translate to the small screen very well as its wall to wall effects and you need to see this on a big big screen, i would rate it a 9 out of 10 overall, spx are a 10, acting a 10, story a 9. Great Cameron effort and worth the extra money to see it in 3d and a big screen.
The boy-f and I have tickets for tomorrow at IMAX 3-D. He wouldn’t see it any other way. 40 people were going enmass in his office to see it together tonight.
I’d wait until Monday before judging how well the movie does in it’s opening weekend.
My wife and I saw Avatar today with a near sell-out audience. The effects are stunning and exciting, while the storyline is culturally, entertainingly predictable (as are all movies/novels/stories/fantasies in every generation/culture). It was great and I plan to enjoy it again with our son.
So many small minded people and so little time to mock them. Maybe when Mel (I’m not a jew hater) Gibson makes “Passion of the Christ – The Return” you can safely go to the movies. And oh yea I go to mad Mels movies even though I think he’s a nut.
Mel Gibson is a better film maker than James Cameron.
Wow, could you be a little bit more obscure and incoherent?
I saw Avatar a few hours ago. I found it to be visually beautiful and the visuals of Pandora over ruled its evenoritmental message. By the Globalwarming now major issues inn reality to contend with now the Hacked emails are out fo for the world to see. No matter that’s side issue but this film was just plain beautiful. I would love to have experinced it in 3D in Imax. No matter the film is going to be talked about and it could easly outgrossed Titanic. Now the backstory was lacking needed more to explain but aside from that,I didn’t see this as a proganda film. Rather a fun film and this film could change how some films are hollywood much like The Matrix did ten years ago.
Lighten up folks. The villians were the gung-ho military and the corporate greedy. Easy to pick on. It was not a racial thing.
The movie was well above my expectations, and I also had that “Star Wars” feeling as I left the theater. The visual treat was SOOO worth it.
This movie was a colossal bore. A gorgeously rendered epic bore. That’s what’s so offensive about it. Not the shallow race/climate politics, but that a $400 million James Cameron sci-fi movie could be this dull.
Whatever happened to writing believable, good dialogue? Whatever happened to the idea of avoiding cliches in every possible way? I really do want to see the effects but I cannot sit through another trite, hackneyed script (”You’re not in Kansas anymore!” Are you serious? The movie takes place in 2154, are people quoting popular 19th century theatre before going to battle today?). I watched the Wrestler yesterday and was amazed at how they could get me to care about a sport that is completely ludicrous through wonderful character development. Why do Sci-fi films always get the short end of the stick in regards to character development?
I completely agree, but I’d argue that it’s not only sci-fi flicks that get bad dialogue. Basically every summer blockbuster action movie has to suffer cliches and bad dialogue. But yes, it’s still rather unfortunate.
what are you, some kind of right wing kook? story and writing matter? I suppose you believe the earth is only 1000 years old CHRISTIAN WAR FOR OIL FASCIST
Right on tressa and bodymjan! You tell those fools.
Next thing you know, these liberal tree-huggers will be telling us that the earth is actually round, that we evolved from apes, or that the white man was somehow responsible for wiping out the Native Americans. Glad I stopped thinking with my brain and became an evangelist neo-conservative republican.
Go spend your money on alvin and the chipmunks 2 you oxygen thiefs! The rest of the intelligent world will check out Avatar, which is most likely going to be the biggest hit of the year.
P.S. You both subscribe to the King James version of the Bible huh?
To The One…yeah we evolved from apes…where are the transitional fossils…how did matter originally give rise to new information…can you prove that scientifically…how did the laws of thermodynamics evolve…did we all just conveniently evolve at the same time…I though macroevolution was random mutations…according to your intellect we should see transitional species everywhere…afterall it’s random right?…also I thought mutations take information away not add new information. Listen you liberal hack joke go back to grade school…you want to talk about intellectual…I’ll give you my email we can have a little debate…I’ll go on busting your liberal pathetic pea brain up all night. Go hug the tree and worship mother earth…you pathetic piece of tripe. Any time any place pal…I beg of you to respond…let’s see how much of a liberal tree hugging intellectual you are. But you don’t have the intellectual balls!
LOL! Wow, how easily you right wing cooks are spotted and rooted out…
…ironically *you* are, of course, the ‘lowest common denominator’ which Hollywood primarily concerns itself with…
T-H_I_E_V_E_S. It’s spelled T_H_I_E_V_E_S, Mr. Intelligent.
Judging from the number of Fox employees posting fake, positive comments, they must be worried. Character and story will always be the most important part of a successful movie which means Avatar is a big FAIL.
Which current big-studio movies possess this character and story that you speak of? Really? Which ones?
Avatar has more character and story development than most films released in the past few years, especially if you compare Avatar to other rating friendly action/blockbuster type films. The characters and story may not be the best developed ever put on screen, but at least they made it on the screen, unlike most studio action/blockbuster films these days, which instead get neutered to a 90 minute PG-13 cut so they can have more showtimes in a day or are just soul sell-out’s cashing in on good movies that were made 20 years ago…
did you even see the film?
Film is huge in Australia. Massive visibility for the film has been created in the past few weeks with IMAX 3D sessions selling out all over the place.
I want to see it in the cowboys new stadium on that 60 yd. long 3D capable HD.
I despised Titannic. The visuals were fine. The acting fine. The story was trite, corny, and full of innacuracies. A guy running around chasing others with a gun made some in the audience laugh. Yet the less demanding viewers loved it.
Let’s hope this doesn’t repeat its “winning formula”.
Some will claim a movie is great because it’s popular. Well, a lot of junk tv shows are popular too. Rome filled the coliseum. They sell more Hot Pockets than fine dining meals.
I think people are reading way too much into this theatrical epic story. I think personal guilt and identity problems are being manifested. I am white, retired military and I loved the movie and didn’t feel exploited; throughout our history we as a race have been guilty of manifest destiny-but we don’t practice it now (openly). There are greedy evil people and some of them are Caucasian-some of them are other races. This story just happens to have peaceful blue species who have learned to live upon the land harmoniously. The story needed a bad guy-the director picked an evil White military officer. The story develops the plot thickens. NOTE: Soldiers take an oath to follow lawful orders; if they decided those orders were no longer lawful; they will have to bear the consequences. You then see some of the humans siding with the indigenous species after that decision. I think you have an interesting story with plausible characters with an incredible cinematic experience.
I not being an evil white person; who, believe it or not, does not believe humans can stop global anything-but should be good stewards of the planet. I like FOX news and read what is in the Drudge report. I can’t stand the government & wish they would stop trying to help me. I am a conservative and think Republicans are morons. So when people start putting people in neat little boxes we actually stop listening to each other. I think everyone has a view point worth listening to, especially if they have facts and information to back their view point.
dcm
I’m a liberal and I think I’d go out and have a beer with you. I may not agree with you about everything, but you seem like a non-radical rationally sane conservative with whom I’d love to debate or even just talk to in a friendly way. I’m glad to have read your comment.
I think I would like that too-after everyone gets off their soap box and self righteous ego trip maybe we will get some actual movie reviews.
I think we need a few different feeds for this little self made news group we have going on here; although I do like that for the most part it is civil with limited useless banter.
I am going to go back to my evil capitalist ways for a bit; but I think I will come back and check it out again later-this has been a real eye opener for me; I did not know there was this much pent-up negative energy.
I think everyone needs to get a Chia-Obama for Christmas to nurture and/or loath for awhile.
dcm
Emm…..85M opening eh! Well, that is as good as it will get. What’s with the talk about it having long legs and reaching uber-blockbuster status. Lets see how the 2nd wknd drops playout then we can talk about long legs
That said, I will be catching it next weekend…..only because Aliens & Terminator was such an awesome movie.
Looks like Breitbart’s Big Hollywood blog readers are invading this comments thread.
I wasn’t going to watch this movie, but since the conservatives from the Drudge Report are complaining about it, I know I will love it. I intend to invite my friends and family, too.
Saw it, thought it sucked, one long ultra liberal propaganda film. Might as well have made the Aliens green. The stupid “native dance” scenes = lame. Traitors as heros? Evil Industrialists? Give me a break.
People need to stop giving their hard earned money to these people who flush with our money; fly around in private jets telling us “WE” have to sacrifice and drive little econo-cars and build windmills (bird-shreders) for electricity, while they live their lives in ultra huge and multiple homes and own enough cars and fly private jets that put out a carbon footprint for one person that would equal 25 normal people.
Went to a 2:30pm Friday showing of Avatar on the east coast; was a fairly full house but not sold out. Came out 3 hours later to 5 inches of snow and very few people waiting in line for the next showing. Judging by the huge lack of cars in the parking lot, execs are right to be concerned about the storm’s effect on Avatar’s box office.
When man went into the forest, I was rooting for Bambi. When he got to Pandora, I was rooting for the natives.
Speaking as a science fiction geek and long-time writer of the stuff, this picture melted my eyes and blew my sensawunda out my ears.
The cynics can stay home. If you liked Star Wars, you’ll like this one, and you have never, ever, seen anything like it.
Loved Star War (the original three), didn’t like this.
Boring. White man bad. Technology bad. Capitalism bad. Noble savages good. Blah, blah, blah. Seriously, has the left had an original idea in the past 100 yeas?
Avatar is the next Beowulf:
Amazing effects.
The most expressive CG characters to date
Lots of hype.
A famous director.
Impressive 3D
…… and hardly anything else.
The stupid liberals hate the movie because the parent company is FOX and they associate it with the FOX NEWS Channel (and they followed the link here from Drudge)
The conservatives hate the movie because it’s the same overused evil corporation, evil tree-killing man movie.
The smart liberals hate the movie because they’re also tired of the same liberal messages in the media, which is inconsistent with their view that the mainstream media is a vast right-wing conspiracy. If they want others to assume that left-wingers don’t control the media, then why does the message of the movie seem soooooo familiar?
Everyone else will just enjoy this film for what it is: A breakthrough in 3D cinema. Sure the story is rehashed and the actors are cheesy. But any book can tell a story, but it takes a movie to totally immerse yourself in a new world. This movie succeeds at advancing the state of the medium.
Interesting dynamic now — Fox on the one hand, pushing the film; Drudgies/Breitbarties/Newsmaxies on the other, usually Fox’s allies, now going after Murdoch for un-American activities — so now the film is politicized among the ideologues — nobody left to sort out the message discipline! What fun!!
It is ashame that we live in the greatest nation in the world and yet, have so many of our own citizens that hate us! Michael Moore Barry and now James! I wish I was blue…so I could love it too! As a proud United States Marine, I find it very offensive how we are portrayed by the Hollywood crowd. It’s a tired old plot that has started to piss a majority of us off! As anyone with a computer can find for themselves…hope and change has dropped in the polls like a lead ballon. I do not want to be preached too or have my values crapped own by yet another chump with more money than love for his country!
One thing people fail to see (or they consider it some kind of metaphor, which is their right to interpret, I suppose) is that the ‘military’ in this movie was NOT a unit from any country. As Jake clearly states in his earlier narratives, the soldiers here are mercenaries. They are fighting ONLY for the corporation, not for a country.
Thus, we can easily conclude that the movie is against destructive corporations and mercenary groups employed by those said corporations.
Also, he mentioned that rather than fighting for their country or a cause, now they are only fighting for money. Salaried soldiers with nothing to lose/gain but money and their lives have a different outlook than a US Marine does about what they are fighting for.
VISUALS VERY GOOD……STORY TYPICAL LEFTIST HOLLYWOOD BULL TO BAD
Didn’t the James Cameron film in Entourage a few seasons ago deal with an east coast winter storm?
Weird
Waterworld with Smurfs.
wow- the haters are out in full force-lol
Since this movie is all its essence a remake of Dances with Wolves and the aliens are blue. I will forever call this movie the same way that South Park did. “Dances With Smurfs”
Wow, I was never this angry, even when Bush was in office!
Are you folks here to discuss the industry, or just to bash anyone or any product with any hint of liberalism?
I’d appreciate it if some of you would actually go SEE the movie and JUDGE FOR YOURSELVES instead of trusting whatever your local media mouthpiece tells you.
People who won’t see a film because of what someone else tells them about it are ALMOST the most disappointing people in the world, to me. You apparently don’t appreciate art whatsoever. Oh, wait a minute, a lot of you don’t actually consider “movies” as “art” — so my voice is futile to your ears.
This is a post about the box office results of AVATAR, so if you’re interested in commenting, perhaps you should at least SEE the piece of art (or “product”) that you’re commenting on.
Just want to say that I haven’t seen it, am a libertarian(p*t smoking repub) And I would like to see it. Just not that much. Maybe it is all greenie and anti-blah blah, but I can look past that just like I love lots of musicians that sing messages that would make Reagan roll over in his grave. If it’s good, it’s good. if not, oh well. Screw the message.
I’m 67 years of age and a SyFi all the way. This one has eclipsed anything I have ever seen. I have got to see this one or two more times. It was like being sent to infinity and brought back again, the trip was bitchen!
Avatar won’t be as big as Titanic for a bunch of reasons.
First, it’s sci-fi and not historical drama. Some people just don’t like sci-fi, everyone likes watching a historical event come to life especially one as notorious as the sinking of the Titanic.
Second, Titanic was in the pre-Blu-Ray-Hi-Def-Plasma-TV age. Unless you were a stinking rich, no one had home entertainment systems that came close to Theaters back then.
Third, there’s a recession on and this is a pricey movie. $17 bucks for a ticket where I’m at. A lot of people will go once, I doubt many will cough up another $17 bucks for a second go.
Fourth, Leonardo DiCaprio made pre-teen and teen girls went gaga for Leonardo DiCaprio. There was a LINE outside a BLOCKBUSTER VIDEO at MIDNIGHT for the VHS SALE of Titanic. I know this because I worked there at the time. All pre-teen girls and their parents. Never one single time did I see anywhere even near that kind of demand for the sale of a movie in years working there. Only time ever Blockbuster opened up at Midnight to sell a movie.
Fifth, Republicans. Thanks to the unprecedented schism created by electing a black President highly unpopular with the right, everything is now fair game for attack as “indoctrination” or “part of the takeover” for the tin-foil paranoids. Coupled with the increased influence of internet political websites, it’s easy to stir up a mass campaign about anything Fox News shock-jocks can spook their mouth-breathing devotees with and cause a panic. Plenty of parents won’t let or will discourage their kids from seeing this movie because Glenn Beck or some radio nut told them if they did American would collapse. And of course they believe them.
So, you work at Blockbuster and probably live with Mother.
Some people, really, don’t know a good movie when they see one. Avatar is now the number one movie of all time and anyone could have easily predicted it because of its innovative approach to the way a movie should be made.
I am looking forward to a sequel.
Most of you go to the movie trying to read to much into it. It’s just a movie. Most americans go to the movies for mindless entertainment and this movie is tops. It was great!
Kindly stop the slurping over Avatar. Look for $250-275 million in total domestic gross. Given the budget, that would be a disaster. As for the quality of the film, the 82% Rotten Tomatoes score says it all. Star Trek, in contrast, received a 95% favorable rating.
why would I listen to a bunch of lefty loons coming here to spit on Foxnews rather than tell us about their experience at this movie showing?
the loony left here instead turn people away that had enough interest to check out the reviews.. congrats!
I would like to see the movie, but with one eye those glasses aren’t going to do anything for me. I really like cinema too, so this is a real bummer for me. Tarder Sauce!
Think I’ll pass on the creepy blue feline-people, the wads of computer-generated effects (talk about “seeing blue”), and the clumsy political innuendo.
Just saw Avatar here in Vegas. I am a right wing guy myself, and I did see the left spin in the story about bad marines, and share holders. I’m used to it, and have found that I can separate a story from real life, and have fun in it ( I only wish more people could do the same ). I loved the movie, but wish Cameron would have been a bit fairer in his portrayal of corporations. In the scene about the greedy share holders back on the dead earth he could of spent 30 seconds having any character point out that the kind of greed, destruction, and death that they were putting to the Navi wasn’t true capitalism, and the film would have been perfect to me. Capitalism doesn’t endorse that kind of action. I would of even settled for a rouge capitalist.
I plan on seeing it again, probably in 2D, cause at my theater the 3D effects were a bit jarring. I kept snapping out of the story when the effects seemed to draw my attention to the heads all around me.
I thought it was utter trash…CGI sucks, no matter the resolution, or if it’s 3D or whatever. It’s a freaking cartoon. And the lame wimpy story, the bad whitey took my space rocks! Whaaaaa! When is the self loathing going to stop with Hollywood.
What a spectacularly beautiful load of crap. I purposely tried to not listen to anything about this movie before going to see it so I could be surprise by it. First letdown was getting the same pair of glasses I got for Beowulf. Many have already posted the problems with this agenda laden script. Please after you’ve seen it, think about what you actually saw or take the time to talk with whoever you went with about what exactly that movie had to say. If you don’t see it you’re probably the kind that says they like music for the beat and don’t care about the lyrics. In that case enjoy the show.
Stuff the political discussions! All should realize that most Hollywood talent comes from the left. That vision is expressed in nearly everything they do. Only the really blatent stuff ever should garner your ire, such as the anti-Iraq/Bush series of movies which all flopped. The Avatar movie was an incredible experience that I shared with my teen daughter (who is a bit right of Attila the Hun!). It was something we’ll hold onto as a great memory. Yes, the “story” was a retread, but the acting was good enough and the execution was nothing short of incredible. It was a real entertainment experience and well worth the price. Relax and just enjoy… its entertainment.