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You know I'm insecure about my geek bonafides. But people who know everything about superheroes are emailing me that the first image of the War Machine suit can now be seen behind the updated Mark IV Iron Man armor on the new Iron Man 2 poster unveiled this week for the May 7th sequel. (For more about the movie, see Deadline Hollywood's Comic-Con coverage here.)
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So, when the crazed fan boys go nuts for the Iron Man poster this is HOW DIFFERENT from the crazed fan girls going nuts over New Moon?
Yeah, not much.
Dick flicks, chick flicks…makes no difference.
oopsy, good work to the MOB squad, leaking out another blues clue, one at a time, next up will be clips of rourke’s new ’stone cold stunner’ move he’ll use on downey.
What’s your point Enough_is_Enough? People get excited about movies? I don’t dislike Twilight because it’s super-popular, I dislike it because it’s crap that sends terrible messages.
And I disliked Transformers 2 for the same reason.
The difference is that the Iron Man franchise is one that actually has substance, acting worth praise, writing worth recognition, and source material that doesn’t sound like it was written in a 14 year-old-girl’s middle school diary.
Enough is enough indeed.
Oh, puhleez. You’re a boy. Go to your corner.
This from someone who is not remotely a fan of Twilight. I enjoyed Iron Man but it ain’t rocket science. Spare me.
If a poster from Twilight or Iron Man sends someone into orgasmic fits, I gotta scratch my head and go hmmmmm…. adolescence much?
Is it really doing “geek” if the movie makes more than almost any other movie? Isn’t that just mainstream? If comic book movies are geeky now, then the whole world seems to be.
Ethan Anderton: “substance” and Iron Man or any of those other geeky teenage-minded dramas you mention, including the Twilight series, should not be used in the same sentence. Period. The writing in all those is one-dimensional and predictable because that is part of their appeal.
Boys like gadgets, and feeling like they could be the hero and protect the ladies while remaining aloof and distant.
Girls are interested in the dark and handsome stranger who, in the end, will be with them. Different beasts on the surface, but they both come from those unresolved immature fantasies we all have. As such I really don’t see how a super-hero film has more substance than a Twilight film.
They both have over the top acting, bad makeup and hair-pieces, and utterly predictable scripts. But they both brush their respective target audiences the right way: the 14 year-old-girl middle school minded crowd for Twilight, and the 14 year-old-boy middle school minded crowd for Iron Man (Pow!! Pow!! Girl in distress!! Bad weirdo guy!! Wham!! Kaboom!!)
Interestingly, there’s a “weird” backlash against girls having their own franchise. Why is that so upsetting to fanboys out there? Why can’t women have their own silly superficial cake and eat it too?
Sexist much?
Twilight has inspired some fangirls to run up to the stars of the movie with actual cuts on their necks because they think it’s sexy. To adults, it looks like a world of grumpy, meth addicted teenagers. Iron Man is a completely different animal in many ways. It’s a character that was created a long time ago, it appeals to kids and adults alike, and the first movie was fantastic. But whatever, watch what you watch. Don’t run in here calling everyone sexist. Christ, women can bitch about anything. I kid.
Can’t wait to see more of Tony Stark. I’m happy to see Bob Downey flourishing in his McDreamy years.
My friend, you may be jesting, but it seems that your reaction was partly influenced by the assumption that only a female would call fanboys sexist. You assumed wrong. I’m male.
So why would you assume that?
… sexist much?
Show me this huge backlash against women franchises of which you speak. Nah, don’t. I’ve got better things to do.
…doth protest too…much?
Not a huge backlash. More like a condescension or dismissal.
And the franchise has been barely a franchise and not remotely huge. Until now. It’s about time!
No matter how you to try to elevate or idealize Iron Man, it’s still just a decent movie. And regardless of your prevarications, you do not kid.
Twilight is a terrible book and movie because it gives girls and women (both who DO take it to heart) stupid attitudes that can ruin their lives: 1. the idea that a girl can “change” a bad-boy, 2. that a girl’s worth is based on how many guys her bad boyfriend can beat up, 3. that a violent, moody guy is the best possible boyfriend, 4. that physical lust is the basis for a relationship, and 5. that a girl’s identity is based her boyfriend. These are all negative aspects of the female psyche that insightful female authors write about guarding against (think Jane Austen). Women and girls by nature chase bad boys and this makes it worse (short term pluses outweighing long-term minuses).
Iron Man follows a guy who starts out a bad-boy (alcoholic, womanizing rich powerful jerk) who has to use his one real power (he’s good at technology and a gifted engineer) to right his mistakes and make the world a better place. For guys it is a far better message: 1. Don’t define yourself by how many women you bed (its empty), 2. Friendships mean everything, 3. Power is only worthwhile if you use to help people, 4. Be kind to people who are your friends and/or work for you, 5. Overcome your flaws by being something more, not wallow in them.
Tony Stark is a billionaire. Nuff said. Also, bad boys go right? Wow, what a concept! Deep.
Can’t disagree about the Twilight message even though Bella isn’t a billionaire.
I totally agree. Girls like different things from boys. Suck it up, boys and get over yourselves.
Mother. That looks awesome!
That. Is. Badass!!
Michael, I concur, crap is crap as are both the Twilight franchise and the Transformers franchise; however, I am responding to the misogynistic backlash that fan girls of New Moon are experiencing for having the same rabid obsession as fan boys have for their super hero movies.
EthanAnderton – something to think about:
“It always comes back to male being treated as the default state of humanity, and female a deviation therefrom. This creates a culture in which men’s stories are considered human stories to which everyone is expected to relate, while women’s stories are considered an inferior subset,” said cultural anthropologist Melissa McEwan, who writes about the political marginalization of gender-based groups.
When a woman’s story is dismissed as “less than,” it makes women “others” and makes them seem mysterious to men, explained McEwan. “This underwrites the justification for ignoring women’s stories on the ground they are inaccessible and uninteresting to men.”
It’s a self-reinforcing cycle that results in women-centered films being branded genre films, Nora Ephron makes ‘chick flicks,’ but Michael Bay doesn’t make ‘dick flicks,’ he just makes movies.”
Yes, EthanAnderton, Enough is Enough.
Oh, chill out. The movie is breaking records everywhere. I don’t see people lining up and throwing rocks at the people on line to see it. And I don’t see any rants on here degrading the fans, this is all out of nowhere. How about these “cultural anthropologists” fight the battles that need fighthing. You women aren’t doing any favors to combat the stereotype that women can always find something to complain about. Some people just think it’s a terrible movie. So what?
And as I mentioned earlier, some kids are, in fact, cutting their necks. But most of them are just dressing terribly and looking sad and distant at the dinner table.
Woland -
1. If you actually read all of Deadline’s posts you would have read plenty of rants demeaning teenage girls for their obsession with Twilight. This debate has nothing to do with whether the movie is good or not; it’s simply the right for teenage girls to be as fan crazy as teenage boys.
2. Re: “How about these “cultural anthropologists” fight the battles that need fighting. You women aren’t doing any favors to combat the stereotype that women can always find something to complain about.”
Well, that’s certainly one way to look at it.
Here’s a battle, dear Woland, that “needs fighting” – addressing the appalling lack of female directors in Hollywood.
ONLY 4% of the top 250 films in 2009 were directed by women.
That is unacceptable and unconscionable.
Iron Man is about an amoral, arrogant weapons dealer who is forced to confront the consequences that irresponsible behavior, both on the part of himself and his company, have for the world at large.
Twilight is about mutual lust between a teenage girl and a 100 year old man.
Tony Stark’s goal is to correct his past mistakes and prevent the technologies he developed from being misused in the future.
Bella’s goal is to marry her wealthy, elderly gentleman friend and have babies (no sex allowed until the wedding night.)
An argument about male-oriented versus female-oriented fiction would be appropriate here if Twilight, like Iron Man, dealt with a character searching for meaning on the larger stage of the world. Twilight is a series about attraction and obsession. It’s a deeply conservative, sexless one at that, with an ending like a trap door into a romanticized vision of domestic life and child-rearing. The purpose of Twilight is to make “sexy” an ideal of a passive, confused, unambitious woman who can only define herself by her relationships with and subordination to men.
My life was not made better nor was it inspired by Tony Stark. Not even remotely. He was a soullless creep who got a clue. And uses the millions at his disposal and machinery to get his point across. But I can see where that feeds into male idealistic fantasy.
On the other hand, Twilight, as you state, just really sucked. Unless Bella were to give Edward a run for his money and smack him upside the head. And that doesn’t take millions.
Is this Kevin Feige or Kevin Feige’s asst. commenting?
PS – Kevin Feige. Cool guy. Not dissing. Well…maybe a little.
War Machine!!!!
Terrence Howard blew it.
Come on Don!
When is somebody going to point out the gay terror subtext of Twilight? A doe eyed Narcissus teen wolf, who runs away with a pack of oily-chested ‘brothers’, rejecting the (oddly non-sexy) girl lead, because he was ‘born this way’? Traveling to face the wrath of the ultra-camp, bitchy vampire overlords at a thinly disguised Vatican? You have to hand it to them on the gay high priest stuff…The vibration of sexual terror coating Twilight makes it the shit-your-pants laff-fest of the year. Try it with marijuana cigarettes.
Twilight will soon take its place, like Showgirls, at midnite freak jamborees, for its old school subtext, hopeless acting, cable tv special effects…it’s old school, megaprofit garbage, what Hwood does best…
Ethan, Ethan, Ethan, show some tolerance, son…There are plenty of “dick flicks” for you to chose from, allow the girls some room, the world nor the movie business was not created for boys alone. I for one, walked out of Iron Man because 1. Gweneth Paltrow’s character was demeaning 2. the scene with the two robots fighting in the end? You know, where they’re competing over who’s is the biggest? Yea reminded me that men only have one thing on their minds…
Live and let live.
I’m a proud geek with some awesome Iron Man and War Machine tattoos, and I’m happy Nikki put the poster up, even if it was to get guys like me to check out the site. (However, I visit Deadline.com every day–one of the best sites for insider movie industry news.)
This movie will rule!
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