UPDATE: Eric Robinson, a senior production exec at The Weinstein Company, is in talks to exit the company after a decade. CFO Larry Madden has already left. Meanwhile, there’s another round of massive layoffs coming along with talk of another restructuring. Seriously, how is that place surviving? To get down to its goal of 90 employees from 112, The Weinstein Co has to do more firing. Even if Nine does eke out a win or two this Sunday because of its 12 Golden Globe nominations, the most of any studio, thanks to Harvey’s usual manipulation campaign of those faux foreign journalists who make up the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, it’ll be too late: Nine is losing a shitload of theaters this coming weekend. And it’s a financial disaster.
How bad were the economics of Nine and its impact on The Weinstein Co? When it was also heavily funded by Relativity? First, you have to understand that my experience is that these two companies have a huge problem telling the truth about anything money-wise. Oy vey. But, from what I understand, the Nine financing was rather unique.
TWC produced the feature but only took foreign rights. Given the pedigree of the project and cast, it did well “selling” the film to distributors around the world for an advance guaranty. (Unlike a major studio, companies like TWC sell off the foreign rights to distributors in each territory). Both TWC and Relativity claim $50 million in foreign sales was generated. But my sources not only very much doubt that number, they laugh at it.
But let’s assume for the moment that this is correct. TWC then sold the domestic rights to Relativity. TWC agreed to market and distribute the film on behalf of Relativity in the U.S. for a 15% fee. Relativity claims it put up up advance of $16 million, but my sources say it was close to $30 million for domestic.
Relativity insists it did not cover P&A on Nine, rather TWC did. My sources say the film will never recoup its P&A understood to be $45 million. (Relativity insists that’s a “very inflated and inaccurate” figure. But they also don’t correct it. My sources say it’s right.)
Both TWC and Relativity will get hurt together. And both companies say these projections on Nine are wrong. So let’s do the math: The film’s box office is currently $17+ million. Let’s be generous and say it ends up at $25 million. This is North American box office, so when you take out Canada (which was licensed to Alliance as a pre-sale), the U.S. will be around $22.5 million. Translated to gross film rental (what the distributor takes from the box office), there will be about $10.7 million taken in By TWC. Add PPV – $1.25 million, DVD/VOD – $17.5 million, Pay TV – $3.5 million, Free TV – $2.5 million, and the total is $35.7 million in revenue.
Now compare the costs: Theatrical P&A – $45 million, Residuals – $2 million, Gross Participations – ?, TWC Distribution Fee (15%) – $5.35 million, DVD Marketing and Distribution Costs – $7 million, and the total is $59.35 million (without any assumption for gross participations).
Since The Weinstein Co is responsible for the P&A costs, then they will lose at least $20 million on the film ($25 million shortfall, minus the $5.35 million fee they earn for distributing on behalf of Relativity).
As for The Weinstein Co, it’s supposedly considering several deals to restructure its finances yet again while its liquidity is on life support and its creditors breathe down their necks.
Isn’t moviemaking a fun business?
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Eric Robinson is a nice enough fellow and he deserves some credit for surviving three years as Harvey’s assistant before becoming a production exec, but he, like the rest of the TWC crew, was powerless and always seemed more interested in doing Harvey’s bidding than in actually doing anything productive. But I guess that’s how he survived there for as long as he did.
He’ll probably get a nice severance package though since he obviously knows where at least some of the bodies are buried.
At this point, its interesting to find out HOW the Weinsteins are staying afloat. I’ve been expecting them to go under for 3 years now, yet they remain in business. It has always been about the next with them. They started to show signs of trouble in 2006 and it was “We have Grindhouse coming.” Then Grindhouse flops and it was “We have Halloween coming.” Then they couldn’t afford to release the films they owned and they said “We have a Seth Rogen comedy coming.” Then that flops and it became “We have 50% of a Tarantino movie with Brad Pitt and a Mike Epps/Ice Cube comedy and a Michael Cera movie and what is basically Chicago Part 2 coming.” Then three of those four flop and who knows how much profit they’ll actually see from Basterds and when it will actually come. But now they have run out of things that they can point to as being in the future. Do they have anything other than Piranha 3D? They’re lucky that they were able to sucker a director ignorant about the industry into giving them a film that has a Best Actor contender in it for basically nothing. Maybe they’ll get that to $10 million by March.
Just as long as everyone in Hollywood keeps repeating that tired, old adage by William Goldman … that “Nobody knows Anything” (about what will be successful Hollywood) … then nobody will even ever try to learn anything … or even think that there is anything to be learned.
And just as long as everybody keeps repeating that tired, old, adage … then nobody is even expected to learn anything – so nobody is held responsible for their inability to foresee the failure and avoid it. (It’s too good of an excuse to waste lots of money after they already took their own share of it.)
So they all just keep repeating the same tired, old adage until they are so underwater they can’t sing anymore. (At least THAT solves the Hollywood musical question … gurgle, gurgle.)
But what Goldman REALLY meant by “Nobody knows Anything” is that everyone in Hollywood is avoiding learning anything and therefore nobody “Knows anything”.
(It all depends on where you place the capitals and the quotation marks.)
He was tired of working with people who didn’t know what they were doing. He wasn’t telling us that there is just no way to know anything!!!
But most people in Hollywood don’t want to tell you what he really meant … because the misunderstood version is a license to do anything and not have to take the blame for knowing you were about to make a mistake. Because after all boss … it’s not my fault … cause there was know way of knowing. Right?
Wrong … and so we just keep burying one new financier after another … until we when run out of financiers. While the distributors rake in all their unscrupulous fees.
Goldman was right.
Nobody in Hollywood even wants to know anything!!!
Nobody wants to take accountability for know what will succeed ahead of time.
They have to much fear of being held to task. They have to much fear of learning.
They just have too much fear.
And the more FEAR they have inside of themselves … the GREEDIER they are on the outside of themselves.
And the Weinsteins are the PERFECT case study for that paradigm.
They are finally reaping the rewards of what they greedily deserved.
As for Relativity – they just didn’t have enough of the correct knowledge.
And “a little” knowledge … is a dangerous thing.
At least they were getting closer.
But now when someone really does find the right knowledge … you can count on the rest of Hollywood to ignore them … and just keep repeating that old adage over and over again.
(Thanks a lot Bill!)
Yours Truly,
The long-suffering mass audience that one way or another, finances Hollywood’s horribly tedious and pretentious movies.
It all reminds me of an exchange in the classic comedy “Ninotchka” (screenplay be Charles Brackett, Billy Wilder & Walter Reisch):
The three commissars sent by the Soviet government to recover jewels that had been, technically, expropriated during the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution, haggle with a Parisian jewelry dealer, who refuses to offer as much as the commissars think the ice is worth.
JEWELRY DEALER: If I offered you more I’d be taking a loss.
One of the commissars, Irjanoff, looks the elegantly-dressed Jeweler up and down and turns to his comrades.
IRJANOFF: You see? These capitalists get rich by taking loss after loss!
So I take it that this pretty much leaves the delayed upcoming films, “All Good Things” and “Shanghai” screwed.
Are these films EVER going to get released? It’s been years since they’ve been filmed. Damn shame.
Even if they release them, I guarantee they’d fuck the marketing up and the movies would be screwed anyway. Hoodwinked 2 is a perfect example of why these guys are going under. Whether you liked the first movie or not, it performed great for them. It’s budget was under $15 million and it made $110 million worldwide. It was the first hit of their new company, and they’ve completely screwed up the marketing for the sequel. It’s listed as coming out on imdb this weekend– there are fans who’d like to see it, and yet there’s no trailer. They have burger king toys available, but no trailer. Even if it’s not very good, why wouldn’t you cut a trailer for the thing– showing it on the internet is pretty much free.
What the fuck is up with the Weinsteins? They were incredible with their Miramax Films. It’s as if Harvey became a drug addict and lost his mind.
As for Eric Robinson, nice enough chap, but has no experience in production. His title was really Harvey’s executive assistant. Unlike past assistant Bobby Cohen who went on to actually become a producer, Eric never stood up to Harvey, never had a true opinion and really had no clout when it came to producing. So anyone who hires him in that respect will have the false security that he did production with TWC. Again, decent kid though.
Thank you.
This should be required reading for Paul Singer.
the Weinsteins will recover w/ the Judy Garland biopic in 2011… more Oscars and b.o. $$$
What are you talking about? Harvey hasn’t focused on Get Happy one iota, much less given anyone the greenlight to hire a writer. Just another project that will never get made. Anne Hathaway can’t possibly believe that thing will ever become a reality.
And Hoodwinked 2 is a good movie and has no release date. The Burger King situation is a debacle just waiting to explode.
The biggest problem for TWC is their in-house thief/COO, David Glasser who will single handedly steer that ship into the coral reef.
my point exactly on Hoodwinked 2. no release date, and yet it’s listed on imdb as opening this weekend.
Yeah, how the hell did Glasser even end up there? His last incarnation with Yari was a disaster and this looks likes a carbon copy. The only thing Glasser is good for is badgering foreign distributors into a 20% premium on the minimum guarantee for your shitty independent flick (a skill that has less value now than ever). He’s certainly not the guy you want picking your films and running your studio.
Like MGM, the same fate is going to end up to The Weinstein Company as the title had said in Michael Jackson’s final film: “This Is It.”
This kind of financial reporting has been a long time in coming in Hollywood. Wow, was this ever tuned in.
The weird thing is that over the years Miramax / TWC has had a great roster of execs… great people with good taste who were driven to the brink of insanity by Big Harv (hello Colin Vaines). Eric lasted longer than most and retained (like most of them did) his humanity to the end.
The real problem with dealing with Miramax/TWC was that nobody knew their opinion until Harv told them. That was also its virtue, so long as his taste matched that of the market.
Unfortunately it’s now over for the Weinsteins… too man people have been screwed, eviscerated, burned, and H seems to have lost the Midas touch (although my own recent experience with them was pretty good). I say unfortunately because for all his faults Big H had at one point a genuine movie sense, which he seems to have lost completely.
As an artist there is no possible reason to get involved with TWC at this point. It used to be that ou would go to the Weinstens with your quirky flick because, even though they would rape you, it would get made. No longer true and everyone knows it. That means they either acquire or die.
I can only imagine what the P&A travel and hair and make-up and clothes costs was on high end beasts like Nicole, Penelope and Kate. Nightmare city. Bad, Bad idea. I would blame this one on Rob though, not Harvey. Could have been Chicago 2, should have been Chicago 2. Lets hope this is a wrap on the Weinstein Boys. They used to have good taste…
I loved Nine, but I can see why others don’t.
They could have saved tons of money by not hiring Kidman (for a small, insignificant role that could have been filled by anyone), and Kate Hudson (also a pointless character).
In good times and bad, Eric Robinson always treated me with the utmost respect and dignity. He offered the same treatment to my work, and was as honest and forthcoming as I imagine one can be when they’re (naturally) serving the interests of their employer. He had a good feel for when to step on the brakes and when to step on the gas in terms of dealing with my reaction to the various ups and downs of working in this industry. He is a kind and thoughtful professional, and I look forward to watching him blossom in his next position.
“Anhonestanswer,” I guess Robinson didn’t buy that script you wrote.why so bitter? Everyone at TWC is Harvey’s assistant, everyone knows that, get a new line.
Serious Man,
No need to be so so serious. There is no bitterness in what I have written. It is the truth. A nice guy does not make a producer. Does not mean Mr. Robinson won’t become a good producer. But a fellow like Bobby Cohen was known to battle with Harvey and was seriously his own man. Big difference between that and a Mr. Robinson. So I’m glad people are saying nice things about Mr. Robinson, as am I. Nice enough chap. Put simply, he does not have the experience leaving Harvey’s world to be anything but an assistant to a producer. You can list credits etc. but again, working for Harvey in his capacity was not a producer. So I am stating the truth. You learn a lot but only to a point with Harvey. More to learn…nothing wrong with that. Just…
AnHonestAnswer
Thank you.
Everyone on this is going to lose a lot more than you’re saying – the budget (with several reshoots) is 80 million dollars – add that as almost a complete loss. And, as others have pointed out, your DVD projection will not happen – the DVD market is dead right now – deader than dead and Blu-Ray is not breaking through. Given the film’s piss-poor box-office (and I guarantee you that what’s being reported is not quite accurate – it’s even lower – the film will never take in 25 million in the US) the DVD sales won’t even be 5 million, IF that.
Yep, it’s a disaster of epic proportions.
Interesting article. With the cast and dirctor, I could imagine Foreign Sales in the $15 to $20 Mil range (thank god for a strong Euro). Fifty sounds more than a stretch.
Having said that, I also have a hard time seeing how they spent $45M in P&A. Were was the advertising? There was almost no outdoors. I did not see that many ads online. It was mostly TV, and not even that much that I saw. A LOT of PR however (Oprah etc…).
Your wrong. The P&A was $30M
All I have to say is Harvey got what he deserved. Maybe in the past he should have focused on how to make movies and not how to hit on and screw beautiful innocent actresses!!! Oops…
I agree with an earlier post. DVD sales are dead in the water, and blue ray is just not taking off. Say 4-5 years ago you could rely on DVD sales if a movie slept at the cinemas or crashed. Nowadays, the younger generation who used to buy DVDs are all growing up downloading. That is the norm now. I wont even bother going to see NINE, just because it looks bad in the trailers. Kidman is box office poison, not sure why they gave her a part. It just reeks of ‘try hard’ film making.
I had a lot of trouble finding friends who wanted to see it with me (I adore Marion Cotillard) who were put off by Nicole Kidman (‘She can’t act’, ‘If Nicole Kidman’s in it – it’s sure to be rubbish,’ etc). Since Nicole only had a small part maybe they should have left her name of the posters and publicity material. I didn’t realise that so many people were turned off by her.
Because we want All Good Things to get released properly…
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/ALLGOODTHINGSFILM/
Still no word on ‘The Alchemist’ adaptation. Paulo Coelho made a big whoopdeedoo at Cannes last year about how Harvey was going to get the film into production by year’s end, which was a hoot, considering that at that point they still didn’t have a writer. Eric R was point person, for what that was worth (his opinion, such as it was, didn’t make a dent, apparently). I heard they did hire a writer, or a writing team, at some point, but have not heard a thing since then. Was the script written? Will the book go elsewhere? Anyone know?
Eric Robinson is rock solid. Say what you will, but I was an underling and he went to bat for me when there was absolutely nothing in it for him. That is incredibly rare in this business, let alone in Harvey’s world. I sincerely wish him the best.