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From Deadline|London editor Tim Adler: News Corp’s James Murdoch and WME’s Ari Emanuel both talked tough at the recent Abu Dhabi Media Summit about the illegal downloading of movies and TV shows. You’d have to look hard through all the James stuff to find the Ari stuff, but I thought it would be of more interest to DH readers: Emanuel said he’s been speaking to President Obama about the U.S. adopting France’s 3-strikes-and-you’re-out stance. (Last year, France introduced a rule allowing legal action once Internet users had been caught illegally downloading 3 times.) The agent, whose brother Rahm is White House chief of staff, told delegates he expects there will be a “fight with ISPs” over the showbiz industry lobbying. Meanwhile, James Murdoch, the chairman and CEO of News Corp’s European and Asian operations, received spontaneous applause when he said that illegal downloaders weren’t “crazy kids” and called on governments to “punish them” no different from shoplifters stealing from stores.
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Evolve, or die like the Major Record Labels are. Suing Customers is not the answer. Improving and expanding the access to the product is what you need to consider. And, people pay to go see good movies. So, make more of those instead.
“Suing Customers is not the answer”
When did thieves become customers.Customers buy products, not steal them.
The apellations, stealing, piracy and theft are applied by the RIAA. These names do not register with the cyber-kids. There is no negative connotation to the concept of “sharing.” There is no way to stop peer-to-peer music promotion. Any body who does not accept this fact as true, will not have a future in the music industry. Smoking pot is against the law too, but that didn’t stop anybody. Free music is here to stay. Adapt!
the France three-strike rule has demonstrably not worked, as widely reported in the press last week. James and Ari need to wake up and understand that the world has moved on — the internet has changed audiences relationship with content, and no amount of big brother oversight is going to fix it. just ask the RIAA.
How happy is Ari that Rahm is prob about ready to be fired?…
That nightmare merger would’ve never even happened if Ari wasn’t so intent on trying to keep up with his brother.
moron
Fact Check Nikki!!
The three strikes law is not punishing people allegedly “caught” downloading illegally. Rather, it punishes people who are merely ACCUSED of doing so. With none of the protections provided by a court of law. Not to mention, the reality of IP address (internet identity) obfuscation through spoofing.
This draconian law is shameful, and ignores all provisions of safe harbor and net neutrality. The ISPs should NOT be policing internet traffic to protect the interests of a private corporation.
Moreover, every alleged download, also uses electricity. Should that be cut off as well? The internet is a utility, just like a phone line, just like an electric line.
And in this day and age, it is a basic human necessity.
ACTA is a disaster in the making. Every American should call their Congressman, and write the White House immediately to insist this is not adopted in the United States, before it is too late.
Last but not least, DRM should be repealed. Every American should have the fair use right to digitize their movies just the same as they can their music.
“Every American should have the fair use right to digitize their movies just the same as they can their music.” Agreed. It was legit to convert your album to cassette tape decades ago for your use.
The problem with digital is once someone puts on the Internet, there’s widespread theft. The “Everything is free” on the Internet has dominated thinking for the past several years, but there’s starting to be a shift. The creators of content must have the option to be compensated. If some want to give it away for free, they are free to do so. If some don’t want to buy because its crappy content, fine.
Targeting the consumer isn’t always the answer but neither is allowing widespread theft. As mentioned above, the key is making it super easy for people to access and pay (e.g., itunes).
Good luck on that. Peer-to-peer downloading often has the help of foreign gangsters in Russia, China, and elsewhere (i.e. malware injections, etc.) and various technical end-runs can defeat France’s scheme (basically “darknets” of concealed/tunneled TCP/IP traffic).
The problem really is not piracy (though it makes a bad situation worse). It is the lack of compelling content a broad spectrum of people will pay reasonable prices for (the mass-entertainment model) or stuff so compelling folks will pay premium prices (the porn model prior to the internet).
Hollywood has to decide. Do they want to be Larry Flynt? Constantly pushing the boundary like “Hustler” and appealing strongly to those with an appetite for that sort of thing, charging premium prices?
Or do they want to be Walt Disney, Sam Goldwyn, or Louis B. Mayer? Mass entertainment folks making small cuts on gargantuan amounts of sales.
They can’t be both. Just as the Music Business went to teen/tween girls, and gays, with American Idol and Disney Channel pop princess fantasies. Leaving out men. Or the newspaper business went from middle of the road, culturally and politically, to hard-left endorsements of the culture and political wars.
[If you read the tea-leaves, Rahm Emmanuel is OUT and David Axelrod and particularly Valerie Jarret, the latter a long-time crony of Obama and his wife, are more thoroughly in. ]
Regardless, the danger is not people downloading illegally “Green Zone.” The danger is they won’t see it in the first place (it was a total flop, getting less than $15 million opening week-end). Why see “Green Zone” when Hulu offers free stuff that’s better, or you can re-watch a DVD you already own of an entertaining movie (like say, the first Bourne movie) or go rent at Redbox for $1.
The music business went after downloaders, quite successfully. How’d that work out for them? Oh yeah, revenues down a tenth of what they were in 2000. Because the content rules. And the content for the music business and movies is pretty damn bad!
Whiskey, you have the brain of a dumpster. It literally takes you 2 pages of writing to get across a point that should not take more than 2 sentences. Maybe it’s all the booze you are drinking. Move out of your parents basement and take some writing classes.
Interesting. Could you expand on this a little?
There is no question Ari is doing the right thing. In 5 years this will be a MAJOR problem perhaps decimating the film and television business like the music business. I already know plenty of people who simply have an internet connection and that’s all they pay for. They have their computers hooked up to their TV and they watch and listen to whatever they want for free. Granted they are more savvy computer users than most but it’s only a matter of time before more people catch on. Going to the movies, renting, cable, buying dvd’s/cd’s…could all be revenue streams of the past. If a user can watch or listen to whatever they want, whenever they want for free, instantly (w/a faster connections) without any chance of getting caught why are they are going to pay for it?
However if you are arrested and the police enforce it – just as shoplifting, I do believe it will have an effect on most users. What’s the difference between downloading a film for free and stealing a dvd from the store?
>received spontaneous applause when he said that illegal downloaders weren’t “crazy kids” and called on governments to “punish them” no different from shoplifters stealing from stores.
As opposed to punishing them harder than we do shoplifters? sounds like a step in the right direction.
How about a 3 strikes law for companies that don’t pay royalties?
Ahem.
Since you only need to make accusations to count as a “strike”…
Sarkosy, J’accuse!
Strike One!
Strike Two!
Strike Three!
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we need the 3 strikes law so piracy doesnt kill our business. kids, adults downloading are stealing from us.
While Ari is busy closing the Internet in Abu Dhabi, the WME client roster for music is in Austin TX at SXSW talking about the open Internet and it proletarian access as the future of the music business and of the arts in general. Never have the interests of artists and media companies been more divided on an issue and its shockingly backwards to see the head of WME siding with the Murdoch Empire. No shock on the pandering front, obviously.
I don’t think this falls squarely on the shoulders of bad content like some on here are suggesting. In my opinion, the younger generation has no problem not paying for and downloading both good and bad movies. you see this on imdb and youtube, where kids are actually angry when links to illegal sites are taken down, as though the filmmakers and studios are so evil for wanting to be paid for their product. not sure if an educational campaign, done correctly alongside legal action, would help things but it’s kind of like the drunk driving campaign. there are people who still do it, but at least it is not really seen as socially acceptable behavior and it’s done less.
There’s no snowball’s chance we could get the 3 strikes rule over here as is. There would have to be MAJOR changes for ANYTHING like that to be functional in the US
What I’m interested in is what the future will be like. The top six record biz distributors are down to three(I believe) and as we all know the record biz is in the dumps because “They couldn’t compete with free”. But what will the record industry look like in 2025? I think that there will be a strong enough enforcement of protected material that someone will again be making good money. Others may predict the record biz will be over and that film may seriously suffer as well. But I believe the level of protection will be great then and that the industries will again flourish. The question is, “Who will ride out the storm?”
Also I also hope the film biz learns from the record biz’s mistakes….
The old school, where you heard an album broken on radio (controlled by recording companies), went to a concert stadium (controlled by a local promoter-learned this trying to book bands in Boston), and then when that artist played out, suddenly another band was broken, see above.
You HAD to buy the record, as tape technology lacked, and there was no alternative in either getting music or finding out about new music. You were controlled from beginning to end.
This world is gone, to be covered only in college in Journalism school. To try to maintain a business model out of it is insane.
The real problem is that you no longer swap albums. You swap hard drives and entire libraries. Since this is not done for profit in most cases or over the net, you can’t control it.
DRM is not the answer. You are always one cycle of technology away from breaking it, and it just pisses off the legitimate customers when the HDCP won’t handshake.
IF, and i mean IF, the music bisness wanted to compete with online free/illegal downoloads, they would be forced to do something durastic.
One such option I have heard so far, is to make a New type of CD or disc, and refuse the ability to make it computer compatible, so as to keep those songs from being ripped and posted within minutes of being released.
The issue with this would be the amount of money it would take to invent something like this, as well as the sudden drop in purchases that would destroy the industry very quickly. The upside, however, would work out in the long run I believe, considering that Internet Piracy will be VERY much more difficult, until some genius makes a reader that is computer compatible and starts up again. People have a need for music, for one reason or another, and will refuse to give that up. If we make it WAY more difficult to Illegaly download it then to buy it, it would discourage the alleged “Pirates” and make room to grow again
yes waste your time arresting people who download stuff instead of arresting rapist, murderers, kidnappers, and terrorist