UPDATED: One of MembershipFirst’s most prominent members,
JoBeth Williams, has decided to leave the Screen Actors Guild’s National Board before her term is completed. Officially, she only cited time constraints as her reason for leaving. But her exit comes after serving 5 years of her two 3-year terms and follows Unite For Strength’s pickup of seats in the last two SAG elections. I’ve learned several other high profile MF’ers also are thinking of leaving their seats on the SAG national and Hollywood governing bodies now that their side isn’t in control of the guild anymore.
They tell me they’re demoralized by the future prospect of SAG-AMPTP negotiations. Now that SAG will bargain jointly with AFTRA, the MFers fear SAG’s current leadership is determined to accept a TV/Theatrical contract that will further reduce residuals and benefits and work opportunities for SAG (the LA-headquartered primary actors guild) so it’s more in line with the lesser terms of AFTRA (the NY-based union that reps broadcast professionals).
Other complaints I’m hearing from the MF’ers have to do with the increasing lack of transparency surrounding SAG’s national board meetings. They claim the current leadership keeps its agenda secret and dissent muzzled both inside and outside the boardroom in order to ensure actors stay uninformed. As a result, rumors are rampant. The latest is that the current SAG leadership will try to radically change the composition of the SAG negotiating committee by removing some of the “old MF stalwarts” who’ve long fought with the AMPTP for a better TV/Theatrical contract and replace them with “new UFS moderates”. Those MF worries will heighten since, as soon as October 1st, SAG and AFTRA will begin 7 weeks of talks with the Big Media networks and studios over the primetime-feature master pact. Both the SAG and AFTRA deals expire June 30, 2011.
How tough bargaining will be depends on who’s seated on SAG’s national board as well as negotiating committee. This is why, prior to the March 13th videoconferenced SAG National Plenary Meeting, MF sent out an urgent email with the subject line, ”Screen Actors Guild Members, our Guild is under attack –you’re DESPERATELY NEEDED” and called for a protest rally.
Even by MF estimates, only 30 people showed up.
MF’ers now are pinning their hopes for a comeback on what they claim is mounting unhappiness among SAG’s working actor membership because of a seismic shift which started in 2009 and worsened during this year’s TV pilot season – resulting in 79 scripted dramatic TV programming pilots going to AFTRA’s jurisdiction. That’s 90% of all the new television shows ordered, according to MF. “Recent developments within the Board and Governance of the Screen Actors Guild have shown concerned SAG Members that OUR UNIONS’ GOVERNANCE IS DOING NOTHING TO RECOVER OR ADDRESS THE MASSIVE LOSS OF TELEVISION PILOT CONTRACTS TO AFTRA,” a mid-March email went out from MF. ”Our representatives have previously stated that they will fight to keep the Screen Actors Guild ‘in the game’ for this upcoming pilot season. Many of them swore this to the members of the Screen Actors Guild upon their election as our representative officials. This is a lie.
“…The last Hollywood Board Meeting uncovered the disturbing truth that OUR OWN UNIONS’ GOVERNANCE–ELECTED BOARD MEMBERS AS WELL AS STAFF–are doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to help the Members of the Screen Actors Guild. Many of us have lost our health insurance, and are desperately struggling to pay our bills and feed our families as a direct result.
“…Although a significant quadrant of our elected Board Members are fighting tooth and nail for the rank and file members of this union such as you and I–there is a large National Board Majority that DOES NOT HAVE THE INTERESTS OF THE WORKING-CLASS SAG ACTOR AT HAND.
“…Many of us are seeing firsthand, how inferior AFTRA Contracts are for actors as far as our SALARIES and PROTECTIONS. If we sit idly by and allow this moderate regime to destroy SAG, we will have given up EVERYTHING that has been fought for in this Union for generations. We will lose a fair and decent wage for performers, massive monetary losses to each of us with yearly residual income, and our Vastly superior Pension Plan and our superior Health Plan. This is what we will be stuck with if we don’t STAND UP.”
As one dispirited MF’er thinking of exiting a SAG national board seat because of all of the above wrote me recently as to why, “It just makes me sick to my stomach. It’s time for me to move on to other interests.”
As for Williams, JoBeth was one of MF’s top vote-getters because SAG members tend to choose guild leaders based on an actor’s celebrity and name recognition. But, for her first 3-year term, MF controlled SAG. However, when she was reelected to another 3-year term in 2008, MF lost the leadership by a narrow margin which then widened after 2009′s elections. Last year, another prominent MF’er, Justine Bateman, resigned her SAG national board seat mid-term “to speak freely” about its decision-making.
MF’er Jane Austin will sub for Williams until the seat becomes open in next September’s election. But maybe the time has come for MF to give way to a new SAG faction with fresh faces and similar goals to fatten the big actors guild’s AMPTP contract but without so much historical baggage — the same way that counter camp Unite For Strength was created in 2008 to form a coalition with the NY branch and Regional Divisions and win SAG elections as the new majority.
Just a thought.
Editor-in-Chief Nikki Finke - tip her here.


“If we sit idly by and allow this moderate regime to destroy SAG, we will have given up EVERYTHING that has been fought for in this Union for generations.”
If MF hadn’t sat “idly by,” there wouldn’t have been a paradigmatic shift to AFTRA in pilots last year. Nikki’s grinding axes aside, referring to AFTRA as some “NY-based performer’s union” now seems almost quaint. It is now the dominant union for actors in television. At least it will be as attrition continues to eliminate older SAG shows. I know I’ll be flamed for it, but this isn’t some statement of opinion — it’s a statement of fact. Look at the pilot reports from the last two seasons. SAG is dead on television.
So MF — the people who were in charge of the National and Hollywood Boards and essentially forced studios and networks to go to AFTRA if they wanted a pilot season last year, and forced actors to take AFTRA contracts if they wanted to make a living — now wants to either take the reins or take their ball and go home? Gotta say: don’t let the door hit you in your collective ass on the way out.
U4S sucks. They’re appeasers and they have not the slightest clue how to deal with the changing distribution universe.
MF sucks. They’re approach to a contemporary labor negotiation is to play dress up like children pretending to be Teamsters in 1956.
Neither party is in the least bit qualified – in temperament or intelligence — to negotiate a contract that straddles the line of protecting actors AND keeps the business as a whole viable.
“…Pinning their hopes on a comeback from mounting unhappiness…”???
That’s a jewel!! It was MF and their crazy leadership that pushed all of those deals over to AFTRA in the first place…
I know Actors short-term memories aren’t that bad….
Residuals and benefits and work conditions for actors are NOT “lesser terms” under AFTRA contracts compared to SAG’s – but EQUAL or even SUPERIOR (in terms of scale).
AFTRA also happens to be based in Hollywood, NOT in New York.
As for JoBeth – same thing happened when MF came to dominate SAG some 6 years ago. The losers deserted their followers in the same way that the MFers are doing now. Cyclical.
Hint: whenever a phrase in SAG politics is modified by “vast” or “vastly” – as in “the vast majority of members” or “vastly superior plan” – you can bet dollars to donuts that there ain’t nothin’ “vast” about it.
Are you kidding me?
How about the 5 lines or less provision that AFTRA has given Networks?
And the “Un-Billed” provision for the same?
So those new actors (or, in this climate, former co-stars) who work now get something like $370 for the day’s work instead of $781 then don’t get residuals because of that?
Sure, to a coal worker or 9-5′er that seems like a lot of dough per day, but if you only book a few jobs per year? That’s devastatingly low. It’s less than 50% of the SAG rate. And again, with no residuals!
And how about the AFTRA cable plan for shows like HANNAH MONTANA and other wildly popular kids shows that air repeatedly? For your day rate (scale) that gives Networks the chance to air the show for either 18 or 20 days (I’m not sure of the exact number) over a year and a half with no residuals paid even if you’re billed.
And that’s not 18-20 airings…It’s 18-20 DAYS. So technically they could air a marathon of an actor’s episode for 24-hours straight for 18-20 days and the actor would never see a penny.
If I’m wrong, please educate me with facts.
I’m quoting this from personal experience is years past.
If that problem has been fixed, I haven’t been made aware of it.
clearly you don’t work as an actor. the aftra deals eliminate residuals. also, aftra has illegaly poached those shows. Their charter states that they are allowed to do shows only in the manner of live broadcast. SAG legal should go after them, but SAG has no teeth.
MF’ers? Huh, that seems like a strange shortening of MembershipFirst.
Who wouldn’t be demoralized?
The facts speak for themselves. The moderates stabbed the Guild in the back by ousting the previous administration, then begging to sign this contract. All pilots have now gone to AFTRA on the moderates (Ken Howard, Amy Aquino and David White) watch. They are hell-bent on merger, and their plan is to weaken SAG to the extent that it will be forced into merger on AFTRA’s terms.
And AFTRA’s terms will make it nearly impossible to strike, and the philosophy and negotiating style of the new union will be “where do we sign? – keep the ball rolling – never strike.”
As Steve Diamond, labor lawyer expert, is saying on several actor’s sites – “let the boss know you’ll never strike – what’s the point of having a union?”
Diamond is also suggesting the move of all pilots to AFTRA begs a more credible explanation than any given so far. Are the moderates in charge now conspiring with AFTRA and the AMPTP, to create a producer-friendly union that will be structured in such a way that strike is basically impossible, with loyalists in top positions, rotating them between themselves, the way AFTRA does now?
The problem the current moderates at SAG have run into, is their plan to weaken the union to facilitate merger is running up against the reality that they are not working in the best interests of the SAG membership. The reason is – these people hate SAG. The moderate faction wants to kill SAG and make a new union that fits their philosophical desires and their negotiating approach: roll over.
But you can’t ride inaction till merger without exposing your true motives, and the membership is starting to ask some questions, as in, “aren’t you supposed to be working hard to make things better for us?” The moderates have been a disaster: the worst contract in the history of the Guild, the loss of clip consent, the loss of product placement protections, the loss of force majeure, the road to the extinction of residuals clearly laid out by contract via their complete collapse on securing a fair deal in new media.
Tiny fixed rates and free windows for the airing of content that, as more content gets moved over to the internet, will end residuals as we have known them.
The bottom line is: the industry is engaging in scorched earth tactics to drive down the costs of talent. There is no doubt about that. That is a mainstream story. And yet, they had a record year in Theatrical 2009. I have no problem with them cracking down on obscene salaries for stars and pieces of back-end gross, it is certainly fair game to cut some of that fat – but to take it off the backs of the rank and file, and to be conspiring in the creation of a producer-friendly new union that shackles progressive contracts for rank and file actors for the forseeable future?
Well, someone please explain to me how a “new faction” as Nikki suggests, will stop that train?
MF has made mistakes, but the mistakes were always with the best interest of the rank and file membership of SAG in mind. MF was, and is, fighting for a fair contract. Why is that “radical?” The smearing of these people has been despicable – people who worked tirelessly to make things better for SAG members, who insisted on transparency during their time in charge, as opposed to the phantoms currently operating out of sight to get this merger in the bag before it’s too late, the MF people who laid out the facts before us and faced the reality ahead, that strength and solidarity where going to be needed to get actors through these rapids to a safe, secure future.
Now, membership is waking up to the fact that the moderates now in charge are too busy selling them out to do what they were elected to do: protect and strengthen the Screen Actors Guild.
That is sad. All hope is not lost however. There are actions being taken questioning all of this, and the referees at the NLRB will hopefully make the right call when the claim comes before them – because there is nothing in the law that justifies this raiding by AFTRA of all the TV pilots. There is no document that says “digital requires, or allows, another bargaining agent – AFTRA.”
They have simply accepted the gift dropped in their lap by the AMPTP. Time is the enemy for the moderates: the longer they show their hand by helping to keep SAG weak in preparation for merger, the more they show the membership their true intentions, which are not in the membership’s best interests.
There’s no time for the creation of a new “faction” in SAG. We either wake up, remove these people, and get back to the business of keeping SAG vibrant and autonomous and tough at the negotiating table, or we march off, oblivious, to the slaughter.
Very interesting.
The recent move to cumulative voting in Hollywood for committee assignments means that M1st probably loses a majority on the negcom, so that’s definitely part of it.
I think another major part is they just realize that in a Non Disparagment Agreement world they are too bound being on the inside rather than the outside.
The principled thing to do would actually to be to resign from office, run again on a platform of rescinding the NDA agreement with AFTRA, and if they get a majority do so.
Principled, but probably political suicide in the current environment.
Here’s the thing M1st –I’ll keep saying it into you finally get it: If you really are serious about your larger goals, then first you need to become proponents of a merger with AFTRA that has your fingerprints and protections for actors in it, and THEN with that out of the way make the general case to the combined membership why your program vs AMPTP is the one to follow.
Until you grasp that reality, you’re screwed.
Know you won’t post this, but why are you so one-sided, lop-sided for MF, who are clearly not representing the majority of working actors? AFTRA exhibit A contract, with the exception of a base salary that is slightly higher then SAG’s, is the exact same contract. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.
The truly sad aspect of this is that SAG is not alone forsaking their members for the egos of the management.
There are several other organizations which ask ‘not what their Boards for can do for their members, but what their boards can do for themselves”.
Unfortunately, the politics of Hollywood, much like the politics of everything else, is at the expense of the people.
I have great empathy and sympathy for all of these artists, but as we all know too well, the artists always get fucked at the expense and benefit of management.
You can only put up the good fight for long, and it finally wears you down
Thanks for trying, JoBeth……..
Your final sentence of “Just a thought.” can only be that, just a thought. Because the reality is, any sense of righteousness or stalwartness will fade to black once MF’ers leave the board. And maybe that’s what members want. Maybe the cold reality is that actors are tired and worn out and have no fight left in them. The goals of the NYC and RBD board members is to never experience another strike or threat of a strike ever again. And UFS follows the same philosophy. The membership has spoken, leaving MembershipFirst no other option but to “give way to a new SAG faction.” And though this new faction may be “fresh faced”, they have no intention to “fatten the big actors guild’s AMPTP contract”. Just the opposite. Their intention is to obliterate any power/leverage SAG may have left in order to make AFTRA the preeminent performers union, promising no strikes no matter what. Although UFS and their clones in the other divisions campaigned last year on a platform of getting SAG actors back to work and strengthening SAG’s position at the negotiating table, you haven’t heard word one from them regarding the literal stampede of SAG work going over to AFTRA. Where is their outrage?! Why isn’t Ken Howard up in arms about SAG’s colossal loss of work to AFTRA? Why is SAG so fucking silent?! This is just the beginning. Wait until next year, when the lack of contributions from 79 pilots to SAG’s pension and health plans feel the impact. Wait and see what happens to premium rates and qualifiers. Wait and see how many SAG members lose complete coverage. When will the nations new health initiatives kick in? 2014? Way too late for many of SAG members, unfortunately.
The war is over. MembershipFirst board members should all just resign and leave the complete dismantling of SAG to those who sabotaged those who were trying, for years, to tell the SAG membership the truth about AFTRA’s undercutting, lying and poaching.
UFS/AFTRA/AMPTP have won. It’s the average working SAG member who has lost. And by the time the members actually realize what’s happened, it’ll be way too late to reverse it. SAG will be blended into AFTRA and broadcasters will be negotiating our tv/theatrical contracts. And Roberta Reardon, an “actor” with absolutely no real acting credit to her name, will be ruling the roost. Please, I’d love to read a post from anyone who has actually worked along side Reardon on a tv or movie set. Or at least has seen her at an on-camera audition. No matter what people may think of Ken Howard, UFS Hollywood and the majority of MF Hollywood board members, at least they’ve actually auditioned and worked in front of cameras and have gotten paid. Sorry, I know I’ve gotten off track of this thread but I just needed to vent.
United we stand, divided we fail. This is something that MFers have never understood and never will understand, ever. Uniting with AFTRA gives stronger leverage at the negotiating table, a unified voice, and prevents the AMPTP from playing SAG against AFTRA. The MFers are too busy looking down their noses at “those broadcast people” to grasp this basic, time-tested principle of unity and strength.
having broadcasters vote on SAG contract which have no bearing on them makes no sense. Broadcasters would never vote for a strike on a contract that has no effect on them. Whenever someone with no vested interest has any type of voting rights on a contract, you are looking at disaster. Ask yourself this… if a contract came up that you had no personal interest in it, but you would have to go on strike for if it came to that conclusion, would you vote for or against the contract? having broadcasters in SAG makes no sense. Please do your research before regurgitating Aftra rhetoric.
I’m sorry to see Williams go. She will be missed.
It’s good that Nikki addressed this now. This is being read by thousands, as opposed to the blather on the pro-merger sites. It has been very disheartening, but one needs to remember it is always much, much easier to advocate for producers (see: moderate SAG, AFTRA, UFS, NY Division, RBD) than to advocate for actors.
Actors made their choice based on an incredibly frustrating stalemate brought on by the moderates first agreeing in unanimous votes to support their leadership in the sending out of a strike authorization, then completely reversing themselves and working feverishly to destroy the solidarity needed to confront the roll-backs and give-aways in the 2009 contract.
The moderates boxed Roseberg into a corner, simple as that. And he held out as long as he could trying to educate the membership as to why we neded to stay together in demanding a fair contract in new media, and to avoid the other give-aways.
Well, the moderates took advantage of the stalemate they created: you can’t negotiate with an impenatrable wall – the AMPTP – unless you at least threaten to take away something vital – SAG actors.
So who is to blame?
Moderates. The problem is, as easy as it is to sell “they can’t get it done! We’ll get a contract!” to a starving membership, it is, oh so much harder to govern. My question to any actor is “is your life better than it was 4 years ago?”
Unless you’re a star or name actor, the answer is “FUCK NO.”
And who was in power when the pilots just disappeared?
THE MODERATES.
And who is doing and saying NOYTHING about that?
THE MODERATES.
So, SAG memberaship – grow the fuck up and understand you get what you FIGHT FOR. These people – the AMPTP – are NOT OUR FRIENDS.
Merger? Will make this much, much worse. A compliant “whatever you say” union, AFTRA style? Good luck. We will never get back what we lost. This needs to come from the top. The only way to turn this aircraft carrier around is to bitchslap the moderatres right out of their hold on power via the NLRB or the courts, and get some unionists back in there.
Screw the labels: MF, UFS, USAN, moderate, hard-line – you want to have residuals and have good P&H and good protections when you DO work? It aint by following the moderates.
That way madeness lies.
Can’t argue with this.
I also can’t follow a lot of the discussion since the comments are hard to follow, frankly. Maybe it’s me.
I keep wondering why, in my worktime, SAG the union went from a small converted Church on Hollywood Blvd, with low cost to members, to a fancy schmancy set up on Wilshire?
I recall once searching out the WGA pension office which was way the heck out of the way in a lower rent area. I thought,Yup, they are watching the dough. The SAG/PPHP has always been efficient and cost conscious. I have very little experience with AFTRA so I can’t say too much on the subject.
Yes, most pilots are going to AFTRA this year.
The current pilot season is a reflection of the last theatrical contract negotiation. When the MF leadership at SAG and leadership at AFTRA broke off joint negotiations and went at it separately. We are living the disastrous results today. AFTRA has most of the pilots.
Both sides will say that the other side was to blame. Bottom line is, both are to blame. Period. Any smart business person will tell you that unless you take full blame and responsibility for a failed business decision you are bound to keep failing.
So because U4S is in control at SAG today, they are being blamed for the poor business decisions of the previous administration. The truth is, U4S controlled SAG and AFTRA have decided to jointly negotiate the next theatrical contract. To right the wrong of the previous negotiation. To prevent another union vs union situation, which can only create chaos for both unions.
No one, not U4S nor MF believe the current AFTRA contract is ideal. The only possibility of a better contract and a better future is by working together.
If the ego/politics aren’t checked at the door, I predict more and more union actors will go fi core. If the union leaders cannot protect the membership due to political bickering, they have failed the members who want nothing more but to work.
Quit the blame game. Work together.
MF leadership at SAG didn’t walk away from joint negotiations – AFTRA did! And then they undercut SAG so they could take all the pilots. There IS someone to blame here, a clear someone, and it is AFTRA the moment they stepped away from the joint table and devalued the work of all actors, in both their union and SAG.
I’m a member of both unions. A proud member of SAG and a not-proud member of AFTRA. AFTRA needs to do better and stop POACHING – which I thought was illegal, but at least it is terrible form. They are a shameful union to undercut a sister union and sell out all actors on residuals.
Since all TV is now going AFTRA – the middle class actor (of dream of becoming a working middle class actor) is now destroyed. I have worked several AFTRA jobs and never received a single residual. NOT ONE. Their rates and rules are horrific and I do not understand why actors are not rioting in the streets. The only way to survive is on residuals.
Interesting. The fact is that all the contracts are going to AFTRA as the simple consequence of MF’s mistimed and mismanaged strike. The previous leadership thought all you needed to do was read some Marx, get some catchy slogans and demonize the studios, and never bothered learning anything about the business. All they accomplished was destroying the lives of thousands of workers in and out of the industry.
Is it any wonder no one wants to work with SAG now?
I don’t think actors should be in the same union as broadcasters and sports announcers or – God forbid – the latest horror, the “reality star” which is an agent created concept, removed from the idea of a guild.
I think maybe SAG and Equity should merge – represent the profession of the actor in on eplace – and let the other union represent anyone who appears on tv in appearances other than that of the professional actor. The numbers vis a vis national unions are small anyway; the main advantage to a sensible, art based union, is the idea of the guild and the conditions under which artisans work. If the focus becomes only pay for day, watch out artists! Watch out out profession!
As long as the rules are such that broadcasters don’t vote on actors contracts, and actors don’t vote on broadcasters contracts, what’s the issue?
Broadcasters careers, quite frankly, tend to be a heckuva lot more stable than actors. They will add financial strength and stability to the union both as to dues and p&h.
If I’m not mistaken, television WAS all AFTRA when SAG “stole” it when a lot of shows went to film. Now AFTRA “stole” it back. You know who loses? Actors. Unless the unions are merged, there will always be this back and forth.
You are mistaken.
It’s every man/woman for himself now. Unless the NLRB rules that SAG has jurisdiction over everything, which is doubtful, SAG will only be signing contracts for commercials and theatrical soon. And AFTRA will probably try to go after those too.
Working actors… just make sure you get double scale (or more) upfront if you can, refuse to take those ‘under five’ gigs, and don’t count on getting ANY residuals for anything except commercials from now on… until internet delivery of tv becomes common (probably within 5-10 years tops), when commercials won’t pay residuals either.
If you really want to stick it to them, don’t send back that form AFTRA sends out every year asking you what you made. They don’t seem to have a computer system in place that tells the dues people what you earned so you don’t have to pay AFTRA a cent more than minimum dues if you don’t want to. Why put money in the pockets of people who are taking money out of yours?
If a good non-union job comes your way that pays thousands – go fi-core and take it. SURVIVE. Thanks UFS and AFTRA for destroying the financial future for hundreds, if not thousands of working professionals… you selfish bastards.
Dear Former SAG Board Member,
I suggested fi-core last year on this site and was attacked by both sides as something that would destroy SAG and not serve the interests of the actor. Well, as I said then, SAG is NOT serving the interests of the working actor, so why not go fi-core?
You already have no health care, no retirement, and no residuals. Tell me again why going fi-core is a bad idea?
Let me start with, I am not a big union guy. Every strike in my 30 year career as an actor and writer has failed. The last WGA strike being the worst. Not a penny for dvds and that’s what the whole strike was based on. In this current debate, I can’t help but compare the leaders of MF to the leaders of the auto industry in Detroit. Arrogant and short-sighted. While Toyota was building hybrids, Detroit was building Tahoes. AFTRA, in terms of television and technology, was holding all the cards. High-Def video. The same technology that VIRTUALY ALL tv shows are being shot in. The studios would OBVIOUSLY go with the cheaper deal. For MF to do anything but welcome AFTRA to the negotiating table was incredibly short-sighted and arrogant. “We don’t need them.”, “We make the most money.”, “They can’t do it without us.” seemed to be the mantra. Wrong! Thank God UFS knows this and will negotiate the next contract alongside AFTRA.
Just clearing up some factual errors.
AFTRA, DOES NOT HOLD JURISDICTION OVER High-Def video. AFTRA only “shares” jurisdiction on sitcoms made by the big three networks in the manner “live” television. Sitcoms going back to “Lucy” and “The Honeymooners” have all been SAG.
The NLRB had elections to determine which union, SAG or AFTRA would have jurisdiction over TV shows made like theatrical motion pictures(shows made over multiple days, shot out of sequence and edited later). SAG won. AFTRA has simply raided SAG’s jurisdiction. SAG makes tons of tv shows using digital high def. The technology was pioneered in theatrical motion pictures with “Star Wars: Attack of the Clones”
Second factual error:
The same technology that VIRTUALY ALL tv shows are being shot in.
“Glee”, shot on film. “Big Bang Theory” shot on film, as is “House” “Lost” “The Mentalist”, “30 Rock”, “Grey’s Anatomy”, “Two and a Half Men”, “Fringe”, “Chuck”, “Friday Night Lights”, “24″, “Ghost Whisperer”, “Lost”, “Desperate Housewives”, “CSI”, “Brothers & Sisters”, “The Middle” I could go on and on. You’ll notice that these are flagship and hit shows. And “VIRTUALY ALL” HBO shows are shot on film.
Reports I get from all the high def camera guys I know, say that high def has turned out to be much more expensive than producers thought. Some say it is more expensive and more troublesome that film.
The studios are just opting out of film now, to bust SAG. Because AFTRA won’t ever strike. AFTRA is not an actors union. Rush Limbaugh gets to vote on actors AFTRA TV contracts!
These MFers take NO responsibility for their abysmally failed strategies.
It fis very possible that SAG is being punished by the AMPTP for the idiotic posturing and insults of these infants who were in charge of the last negotiations. They let their “let”s play war” mentality to carry them away and effectively destroy SAG as we knew it. And now they attack the current leadership because it isn’t possible to instantly undo all the damage they have done.
Merger is our only hope now and the responsibility is fully theirs. They have basically brought about what they feared most, thank God. And let’s talk about that.
This disgusting railing about broadcasters and reality stars in the same union as actors is nonsense. Most unions in this country are pretty big tents. SAG has stunt people and background artists, voice over actors, andd voicers of animation to name a few. The DGA has directors and A.D.s and script supervisors.
We don’t have to vote on each other’s contracts and who says SAGs P&H will be less than it is now. Maybe AFTRA’s will come up to ours.They will remain separate for a while at least.
Maybe Jo Beth quit because she was so disheartened by the continuous tantrums of the MF faction.
To quote Einstein, the definition of insanity is “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”. From everything I’ve heard they are just itching to repeat their last performance
Man, I sure hope they can be kept from dominating the negotiating committee.
philly boy
One minor correction: AFTRA is MORE EXPENSIVE than SAG by 3.5%. Kinda puts a crimp in your argument there.
Jesus! That’s the ENTIRE thing in a nutshell. Members spout half-assed information – it’s JUST like the health care debate.
When you learn the FACTS, you see the TRUTH.
The moderates in SAG are responsible for SAG teetering on the abyss. They lost all the pilots – on THEIR watch.
THEIR WATCH.
So, next year, when you DON’T qualify for health insurance? You can thank the political lust of the SAG moderates: merger first, SAG P&H last. The next few years, as we watch SAG become a hollowed out shell of its former self – you can thank THE MODERATES.
The whole thing is going down the shitter – and you STILL BLAME MF?! The ONLY ones who were trying desperately to fight for the rights of the SAG middle-class actor!?
Everything that has happened to SAG since the moderates pulled their little palace coup has been a DISASTER. And you STILL BLAME MF?!
THEY are not even protesting the loss of the entire TV jurisdiction in pilots on THEIR WATCH. Can’t blame MF anymore.
THEY signed this terrible contract. THEY are actively keeping the union weakened to make merger an easier sell to the membership.
THEY are working behind closed doors, not with TRANSPARENCY, as MF did.
It’s COLLUSION folks. You’re telling me the AMPTP is HELPING merger by giving all the pilots to AFTRA, to create a “strength in numbers” giant across the table?
THAT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE. The AMPTP is HELPING merger?
WHY?
Let’s simplify.
MF? Democrats. A bit like herding cats, but definitely with good intentions. Understand the intimidation of labor cannot be tolerated by the vested interests of the corporations. This leads, inevitably, to conflict. Conflict bad? Well, not if you hope to keep your pants. Conflict good. Treat us fairly, and you have a deal.
Moderates? Republicans. Cozying up to big business. Business first, last and always. Don’t rock the money train, don’t piss off the horses mouth. Don’t strike. Ever. Cut away health and pension to improve the bottom line. Deny, deny, deny the facts, create “own reality.” Anti-labor. Result? Average worker gets screwed.
We are seeing this same conflict writ large on the national stage. Look at the intense hostility and the threats of violence against those who voted for systemic change in health care.
Republicans are less caring, less humane. I got mine – screw you.
Democrats mostly dream of improving the lives of the average worker, but every once in a while, they get to actually do something to break the Republican – Corporate stranglehold on the nations fear and anger.
SAG? Same, in so many ways. It’s easy to cozy up to the suits. It’s hard to stand up for actors. Much, much harder. Is UFS standing up for actors? Well, let’s see:
A bad contract full of roll-backs and give-aways. Is anybody seriously denying this truth?
An entire pilot season lost to the producer-compliant union – AFTRA – with no real effort to counter the shift, or to show their fighting spirit on behalf of the SAG membership.
A bleak future for the union. Again: a bleak future for the union. On their hands.
They don’t seem particularly upset. Why is that?
This is cyclical. Not really surprising
So, help me out here..why, exactly, do we have actors, currently engaged in trying to continue their careers, on the negcomm AT ALL? How about SAG find real, tough negotiators, whose livelihood does not depend on the people they are negotiating against? educate them, bring them up to speed on what really matters to us, then let them have at it. OF COURSE we’re getting sold out! There is not a person at SAG,or AFTRA, from the president on down, who wouldn’t walk out the door if they could get themselves brad/angelina/will smith type-action for themselves career-wise. the very people they’re supposed to be “tough” with can make that happen. I’m surprised the whole of SAG AND AFTRA neg comms, don’t just break out the kneepads and start sucking cock the minute the suits walk in the room. I have never understood why anyone thinks we will ever get a fair deal. Jesus christ..putting actors in the room, and expecting them to be tough against people who could resurrect their entire deal overnight, is like putting “pookie” from New Jack City in that crack house, and expecting him not to take a hit off the pipe. What the fuck are you all thinking..