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Central Casting Taking Sides In SAG-AFTRA 
Los Angeles and New York, (March 13, 2010) – Screen Actors Guild National Board of Directors today approved 78 percent to 22 percent a joint bargaining agreement with American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA) for the negotiation of successor agreements for the contracts covering theatrical motion pictures and primetime dramatic television. The AFTRA National Board of Directors previously approved joint bargaining at its meeting February 27, 2010.
The motion was approved and reads:
“It was moved and seconded that the National Board of Directors approves the Joint Bargaining Agreement for the Television/Theatrical Contracts and instructs staff and counsel to finalize the language of the Agreement substantially in the form presented.”
Screen Actors Guild President Ken Howard said, “I applaud the Board’s action. Bargaining together is a smart decision and voting up this agreement clearly serves the best interests of all SAG members. I’m grateful to the Board and look forward to working with our partners at AFTRA toward a successful negotiation.”
“This is a positive step that delivers a significant benefit to our members. There is no disputing that we are stronger together and joint negotiation of these contracts makes sense for both our organizations,” said Guild National Executive Director and Chief Negotiator David White.
SAG and AFTRA representatives will meet in the coming days to finalize and execute the joint bargaining agreement. The agreement largely tracks the agreement used for the successful 2009 joint negotiation of the commercials contracts and includes the provisions of the existing AFL-CIO facilitated No Raiding/Non-Disparagement agreement between Screen Actors Guild and AFTRA.
The Screen Actors Guild National Board of Directors met today in videoconference plenary in Los Angeles and New York.
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Didn’t AFTRA walk out of joint negotiations last time over some trumped-up drama involving SAG going after one of their soaps? Let’s hope they play like adults this time around. Watch for some sort of joint negotiation sabotage at the 11th hour when SAG wants to take a stand on something and AFTRA wants to cave, as usual. I’ve been in the negotiation room when that happens and it’s not pretty.
AFTRA doesn’t care about actors… they’ll sign any crappy deal producers hand them to get more jurisdiction and prop up the pension funds for their broadcasters (actors almost never qualify for AFTRA health insurance unless they’re series regulars or celebrities). It’s killing actors having two unions. Too bad SAG didn’t absorb them a few years ago when they had the chance.
What Former SAG Board Member says gets a big nod of my head in agreement…the ‘labor peace’ supposedly achieved here is a fragile one indeed. I remember well the events of February and AFTRA’s shattering of Phase I bargaining when everybody was so sure both unions would make the deal together. It didn’t happen and I wouldn’t bet on it happening again this time.
I find it very telling that despite SAG’s now lower than AFTRA minimums for TV, the producers (virtually none of whom are truly independent of the big media conglomerates anymore and thank goodness Congress is being enlightened on this point in its hearings into the Comcast-NBC merger) blew off SAG and went to AFTRA this pilot season. Why? Because there are a few SAG members who appreciate that uniting to make any old deal for all actors is not in *ANY* actors best interest. So the producers for once (and to my thinking perversely) put their short term interest second to punishing actors who had the foresight to realize that having a bottom line for ALL actors is more important than lip-service to the idea of ‘one actors union’ or ‘joint negotiations’. The idea that above all a union is supposed to help actors get paid hasn’t gone away just because the ‘leadership’ of the 2 unions now values so called ‘unity’ and are issuing press releases endorsing a pleasant sounding ideal while in reality too many members are being cheated out of fair pay (Hello but where were both unions when the producers decided to fold 1st residuals & foreign payments into an initial contract payment? They sure weren’t standing up for their members in that instance and since AFTRA’s got most of the pilots most of that’s on AFTRA).
I can easily see a significant number of actors breaking ranks with the ‘unity’ here to not get screwed this time around…it’s like the most fascinating variation on the Prisoner’s Dilemma I’ve ever seen but then I have the luxury of just watching & being entertained because it’s not my livelihood at stake.
Tiny addition/correction: February of 2008 was when Phase I was killed by AFTRA
To me the solution to the 2 actor’s union solution is simple…follow federal labor law and put it to the actors vote project by project of who gets to represent them: SAG or AFTRA.
DUH ! Slow genius.
Congratulations SAG!! Bend over and kiss your union goodbye!
Oh, come on – compared to Howard, AFTRA is a bunch of hard-nosed bargainers demanding producers give nothing less than every last concession to actors.
Of COURSE AFTRA & SAG can unite in their efforts again. Ken Howard and AFTRA are BOTH more supportive of producers than they are of actors… or, in Howard’s case, of those waiters, office workers and others who don’t have series regular roles, but still insist on CALLING themselves actors.
Wait a second, so you have to have a SERIES REGULAR role to be considered an actor? If someone moonlights as ,say a waiter, to focus on auditioning and journey of becoming a working actor during the day, isn’t and “actor”? I have done guest spots on over 20 TV shows in the last 4 years and numerous films, but I am not, nor have I ever been a series regular. So am I not an ACTOR? By your “logic” there are only about 30 to 40 “actors” at any given time in Hollywood. Dude you’re dumb…and CAPITALIZE in dumb places as well, which makes it worse.
Anybody else notice how much more AFTRA work there is? Ain’t just great to work longer for less, split your pension and health so you get neither or pay more for less if you do happen to qualify for health with AFTRA.
Stop accepting AFTRA jobs and they’ll go away. And NEVER work “Gossip Girl!!!” If noone worked it the rate would go up. And when it comes time to vote for SAG board members if they had anything to do with OKing that contract they get no vote. Rosenberg may not have been Ted Kennedy but he didn’t sell us down the river.
Anyone who thinks that negotiating these contracts separately puts either union in a stronger position is a complete fool. The more you play into the producers hand in thinking separation is best the more we lose… (If you question that, please reference last contract fiasco)
Thank god they are negotiating together. Divided we are pitted against each other which makes absolutely no sense since most of us who actually work are members of both unions.
The suggestion that no one should accept prime time AFTRA jobs is at best naive… Do you really know anyone who’s gonna turn down their chance for a great scene on prime time because it is AFTRA? Maybe a star can afford that luxury, most of the rest of us won’t. Maybe you’re too high brow to perform on Gossip Girls, but would you really turn down DAMAGES…or THE GOOD WIFE… or MERCY or FLIGHT OF THE CONCHORDS…(etc)… Get real.
Here’s the deal, folks. Yes, there will be joint negotiations. SAG and AFTRA will jointly hold wages and working committee meetings and jointly negotiate with the AMPTP. And those who don’t understand the process believe this is a good thing. Well, let me tell you… if you are an actor concerned with wages and working conditions and SAG holding onto traditional jurisdiction, this news is not good. AFTRA has been poaching work from SAG in the area of scripted dramas since 2005. They have been offering cheaper deals to producers and refusing to file claims on behalf of actors. Ever try getting a claim filed by AFTRA? Ever not been paid for a forced call on an AFTRA show and tried to file a claim? Or not received a payment in timely fashion? AFTRA’s is famous for not filing claims, offering waivers without notifying actors, refusing to organize basic cable news networks and on and on and on. Ever do a job on a AFTRA cable show to later find out that you won’t get paid for re-runs? They are a producers union. Not to mention the disparity in the health and retirement plans. But now we are back to joint Phase 1 negotiations which means that each union has 13 members on the negotiating committee. For SAG it’s 8 from the Hollywood division, 4 from the NYC division and 1 from the smaller branches. AFTRA will have 13 members. Do the math; NYC and the branches traditionally side with AFTRA. So that’s 18 votes. Regardless of the make up of the Hollywood members of the negotiating committee, Hollywood, the only part of the union that generates the majority of revenue used by SAG, will always be out numbered when it comes to what proposals or issues will be fought for or let go during negotiations. That’s why SAG has never gained any increases in home video residuals. AFTRA never supported it and neither did NY or the regions. Hollywood has been the lone fighter on that and other important issues. And keep in mind that AFTRA still (although this will change very soon, I promise you) covers no features but they get 50% of the say/votes when it comes to feature negotiating issues. Now that both unions have agreed to jointly negotiate, they have pretty much promised the employers an easy negotiation. There will be no standing strong on New Media or any other issue that “sunsett-ed”. AFTRA is the boss. They will be controlling negotiations. They sit in the captains chair. SAG will only be a prop. And let’s see if a strike authorization will be approved and secured prior to negotiations which begin in Oct. Does anyone actually believe AFTRA will agree to securing a strike vote? Do you think the SAG moderates will advocate a strike vote? Former SAG president Richard Masur stated that he would never ever support anther SAG strike. Has AFTRA ever had a strike in soap operas or sitcoms? I’d love to know if they have. Now don’t expect to hear the truth about what’s going on from any board member. Due to the AFL-CIO agreement, no AFTRA or SAG board member is allowed to say anything that could be considered insulting about the other union. If, for example, a SAG board member states in a meeting that he believes AFTRA has poached in SAG’s traditional jurisdiction, AFTRA could file charges against SAG. Remember what happened to VP Ann M Johnson? Or if a board member states at a public setting that SAG’s retirement plan is better than AFTRA’s, charges could be filed against SAG. The iron curtain has been lowered and we will never be able to hear the truth during any SAG membership meeting or from SAG emails. Gag order in place. How’s that for freedom of speech?
U4S and David White have officially handed SAG over to AFTRA and the employers without a struggle. SAG has been a wiling participant. Maybe that’s what members want. Who knows. But I know that I’ve lost my SAG health coverage and am forced to use AFTRA has my primary due to the amount of AFTRA work I’ve done in the last 5 months compared to SAG work. But here’s the catch; when under SAG’s coverage, I only had to pay around $260 a quarter to cover myself and my husband for Plan 1. Now with AFTRA, I have to pay a ton more. It’s ridiculous. I”m going broke just paying the freaking premiums. Merger could maybe resolve that crap but will merger happen within the next year? I doubt it. But does the membership care about all of this? I think they don’t. Sad.
Wow. Did anyone see what happened LAST time SAG negotiated without AFTRA? From this board, it seems that has been forgotten. Here are the facts:
1) AFTRA got the vast majority of pilots two seasons in a row.
2) AFTRA has more shows than ever on the prime time.
3) At this rate, AFTRA will dominate TV in the next few years. Shows cannot change unions once they start. That is the ONLY reason SAG still has shows because they are losing all the pilots.
4) Most actors who WOULD have qualified for pension and health ARE NOT ANY MORE because it’s split between two unions now.
5)SAG would have an almost IMPOSSIBLE time negotiating separately if AFTRA approved a contract. There is a SIGNIFICANT overlap of dual card holders. We would need 75% strike authorization and with the overlapping numbers with AFTRA that just won’t happen if AFTRA approved a contract (that’s what happened last time).
Thus if SAG negotiated on their own, they would be in the SAME situation as last time. NO STRIKE AUTHORIZATION. Without that, there is no threat to producers and production. THERE IS NO LEVERAGE!!!!!
WE HAVE TO JOIN TOGETHER!!! STOP the bitching and moaning and FACE THE REALITY that AFTRA is NOT GOING AWAY. SAG CANNOT bully AFTRA and AFTRA is now a SIGNIFICANT player in the theatrical arena.
The ONLY reason films are still SAG is because they are shot on actual celluloid. Just wait until digital is in use more on Feature Films! (yep, it’s already happening people) SAG will start losing those as well.
SAG fighting with AFTRA does NO ACTOR ANY GOOD. It only benefits the producers.
WAKE UP AND GET IT TOGETHER PEOPLE! Like it or not, AFTRA is growing by leaps and bounds because SAG is fighting with them.
I only ask that you take your head out of the sand and LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING with a clean perspective. SAG is hurting because of this and we have to change NOW.
“Those who ignore the past are destined to repeat it”. Let’s stop repeating our mistakes and make a new future.
In True Solidarity,
Peter Elliott
SAG Member
Right now, nothing seems to matter. Facts, logic, reasoning – nothing. It takes brute force, as in out-voting the opposition. Then, when you get power, you put your boot on the throat of the political opposition and you end them.
Everything else is bullshit. These people: Ken Howard, Amy Aquino, David White, all the moderate members of the national board and their sympathizers, want to end SAG. They’re a union-busting disgrace.
The theory is the AMPTP gave all the pilots this year to AFTRA because they are worried about the seemingly endless volatility in the SAG boardroom.
Bullshit.
They awarded all the pilots to AFTRA to help SAG sell merger. It’s called collusion.
Why would they penalize the new producer-friendly SAG government, which got rid of the “hard-liners?” You’d figure they’d reward them for their efforts.
This is collusion to create a producer-friendly union through merger. Period.
Look, nobody likes labor unrest. Nobody. But when the producers announce in the NY Times, as they did in July of ’07 they want to “end residuals,” you better put your flack vest on, cause there goes 1/3rd to 1/2 your income each year (or more).
Yesterday’s NY Times announced the FCC is pushing to wire the entire country, rural areas, everywhere, with high speed broadband, which they think is the communication delivery system of… now, not the future. They are proposing pushing for a roll-back of some of the Broadcast spectrum, a roll-back of phone companies as providers, and the transition to production of TV’s with set top boxes where the consumer can watch anything on either the web, or broadcast, their choice.
Guess who gets screwed when the consumer opts for the web?
So, for those of us who were simply standing on the tracks, watching the new media train coming at us a hundred miles and hour, and saying “gee, I think we should make sure we’re protected in our next contract,” now, the FCC is going to get that train up to two hundred miles an hour, and, thanks to the “moderates,” we are naked.
We are stuck with fixed-rates in new media, not the percentage of total gross revenue in new media we needed, little or no residuals, we’ve lost clip consent, product placement protections, force majeure, we’re losing residuals, now we’ve lost all the new pilots to AFTRA, and ALL this has been on the current “moderate” SAG administrations watch. They agreed to these terms and they have lost the TV jurisdiction totally to AFTRA this year, the SAG actors bread and butter. They can no longer blame Membership First. It’s on them. Id’ give them an F so far.
So I ask all the SAG members out there – wouldn’t you like to see Ken Howard send out a referendum asking US what WE want?
How about WE get to determine whether we want to be represented by SAG or AFTRA, thus ending all this talk of merger and all this “divide for weakness” bullshit that’s been KILLING the SAG middle class actor for the past two years?
One union for actors? Seems logical to me. But NOT an AFTRA-centric merged one, for all the reasons listed by the posters above. Because, as we all know – AFTRA SUCKS.
Wake up SAG membership. Roberta Reardon, Kim Roberts- Hedgepath, Ken Howard, Amy Aquino and David White are AMPTP ass-lickers, who are selling you down the river.
It’s up to you. What can you do? vote these union-busting motherfuckers out, at least the SAG ones, The AFTRA producer-whores are hard-wired in for as long as they keep breathing.
The ship is sinking SAG members. Wake the fuck up. You have to FIGHT for you RIGHTS.
Keep your enemies closer. The truth is AFTRA stinks in too many ways to mention. But for their own survival they sold out SAG in the last round of negotiations and proceeded to offer producers in primetime professional SAG actors at discount prices under AFTRA contracts.
It worked. I don’t like it. But it worked. SAG has no choice but to bargain WITH AFTRA now because both SAG and AFTRA have about an equal stake in primetime. (You may notice nothing can be done legally to suggest AFTRA is outside it’s jurisdiction in negotiating primetime TV contracts.)
It’s up to the membership of both unions to take a stand on what when want and when we want it. If we don’t take a stand we will get what we’re given by producers.
Ken Howard and his people insisted internet was not something we needed to negotiate now. Meanwhile, now–right now–it’s a instant-internet-viewing world on netflix.com, blockbuster.com, abc.com, nbc.com, cbs.com, hulu.com, and any other network or film viewing corporation you can name. And the FCC is pushing to get all your home TV delivered via the “internet” instead of via “cable.”
The internet concessions championed by Howard in this last negotiation will bankrupt non-famous actors as the internet delivery increases– which it is and will.
The unions being aligned in negotiations isn’t the problem and neither is Howard. The problem is the voting membership’s refusal to educate themselves and to unite.
Education and solidarity are the only way we will survive. Whatever happens to us, I guarantee you Kate Walsh, Ken Howard, Sally Field, Tom Hanks, George Clooney, and the rest who supported the last contract will survive and thrive. If we let this next contract get away the rest of us simply will not.
It’s a good move for members. Better negotiating position by aligning during discussions, but in the end each association’s members get to vote up or down.
There seems to be a short term memory loss here. Membership First presided over the last contract. They had the option of asking for a strike authorization. They DID NOT DO IT. They dragged out the negotiations. They did the Poll. Everyone remember the Poll?
By the time the elections took place, we were in a deadlock with the AMPTP. They wouldn’t offer anything more and we had no strike authorization. Thus there was NO solution and we were working an expired contract with NO gains. All U4S did was take it to the contract to the membership, who then voted it in.
Had MF either taken it to the membership and it was voted down OR gotten a Strike Authorization we would have had leverage with the AMPTP. But I believe they felt (correctly so) that the contract would be voted in and that a Strike Authorization would be defeated. That left us in LIMBO and frankly there was nothing MF could do to change that.
Why wouldn’t either tact work? Because WE ARE A FRACTURED UNION. We arc constantly fighting with each other. We are pretty much split down the middle and nothing can get done.
So, what does that create? Stalemate. Unless we make different choices, we are destined to keep repeating this over and over again until SAG is dead horse.
To everyone bashing the other party I say STOP IT NOW!
Unless we can ALL START TO AGREE, SAG is done for. AFTRA will soon dominate TV. And there are already AFTRA FILMS folks!! Expect there to be more.
STOP FIGHTING! We are ALL ACTORS and we all want what’s best for the actor. We may have different ideology, but we MUST find the common ground or we will be stuck just like the country is now.
Let’s stop being Democrats and Republicans! Let’s reach across the aisle and FIND THE COMMON GROUND. Voting one party in or out WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING. It will just make AFTRA a better choice for producers and make the AMPTP salivate even more. They are the only ones winning in this war.
In True Solidarity,
Peter Elliott
The biggest problem here is in the fact that those repped by AFTRA (please educate me if wrong) who don’t work in the field of acting get to vote on the contracts.
AFTRA reps Newspeople, Dancers and DJs along with actors.
That would be like allowing Plumbers to vote on a contract shared with roofers. Both part of building a building? Yes. But equally affected for differing jobs?…No.
AFTRA has been allowed to come in and low-ball “bids” by ignoring actors’ needs and earnings. Along the way (while building their pension and health) they have robbed those middle-class actors who aren’t names.
The birth of digital technology is the thing that’s caused this, allowing loop-holes for Networks to work through for a cheaper production cost.
And what’s that? – It’s smart business. Nothing less.
No fault to the Networks. You can’t blame them for seeking lower production costs. No one here would pay $20k for a car when they could have the same one (brand new) for $17.5.
The fault here lies solely with AFTRA for allowing things like the “Under 5″ rate to plunge so low. The allowance of no-residuals or “windows” on them. And the newest scourge of allowing them (the producers/Networks) to deem Under-5 roles as “non-credited.”
We can complain all we want but some sort of merger IS necessary at this point.
Why?
Because AFTRA doesn’t care about the “middle-class actor.”
They’re only interested in taking over (as they have so successfully done by their previous allowing of it being an open, “pay your fee and you’re in” union).
Even if there IS a merger, which at this point is a survival tactic for SAG, the time needed to restore earnings to previous years for members is a long, long way off.
Anyone who says that SAG should stay a single entity is delusional. How well did that work out for them previously?
Digital tech is a huge advancement for us all. (Anyone own a camera or an ipod or a DVD/Blue-Ray player here?) And because of that, changes are being made daily in the field of entertainment.
AFTRA needs to step up and stop patting themselves on the back and start bringing serious negotiating skills to the floor rather than the “weak younger sibling trying to out-earn their older one for bragging rights.”
Next time you issue a press release about your glowing achievements, AFTRA, maybe think about one addressing the issues of how you’re dealing with actors who’ve failed to meet Health Insurance earnings requirements due to such a massive split in TV coverage.
This genie has been let out of the bottle and apparently is more closely tied to AFTRA “press victories” rather than members’ needs.
Most actor members of AFTRA are members because they HAVE to be. Not because it’s a statement of pride.
Step up, AFTRA. Rep your members with THEIR interests at heart. Not your own.
As an actor who also has a production company, I thank all of those who have help my company make more money. The removal of things such as residual payments has made a windfall for us. I would also like to thank all of those on the SAG board who have helped by not taking any legal action against AFTRA. Their illegal poaching of your shows, and your lack of action is greatly commended by all production companies the world over. Please continue this great service.
Once again
Thank You
Will MPTF be on the table this year? AFTRA didn’t oppose the producers attempt to close down the facility, we did and David White made it clear he was not in favor. Somebody better be watching the store.
Peter Elliot–
You’re right we need to work together.
Addressing your recent comment, I would argue your revisionist history and the finger-pointing and blaming you do in the first 50% of your comment is exactly the kind of thing you profess the need to eliminate.
I applaud your passion and your call for solidarity. We all need to remember working together starts at home so to speak. Blaming and finger pointing is, unfortunately, not that.
Solidarity would be great–even better if all the unions stood together before the AMPTP: AFTRA, DGA, SAG, IATSE, WGA. The way I see it each union and faction sees themselves as the smartest group in the room when in fact the AMPTP is.
Welcome to the “membership first” agit-prop blog…I wondered where you went after the SAG membership voted you out of office last September.
Why are most of the pilots now AFTRA (with higher rates than SAG??) Because of the cement-nosed shennanigans pulled by the former leadership. The current SAG leadership knows upon which side of its toast the butter lies…with AFTRA which is equally THE union for working actors in television and ultimately with merger. But THIS time let’s not have the nonsense about not being able to merge pension plans. SAG & AFTRA legal counsel made it perfectly clear at a joint SAG/AFTRA Board meeting before the last merger vote: The unions may merge while the pensions may remain separate with all members continuing to benefit from their vested pension credits in both plans.
Thank you SAG & AFTRA boards for voting to negotiate together.
clearly you don’t know what you are talking about. the entire Aftra taking over pilots and such is all orchestrated. Those that are now on the SAG board were all on the aftra board. Many of them are also producers. I am not a Membership First or USAF (or whatever it is) but I do see what is happening and how SAG is being undermined. People in the know understand that SAG only has a few more years. SAG legal hasn’t taken any action against aftra for the violation of the charters. Why? Look at the legal team at SAG and their history. They don’t work for the memebers. They work to fill their own pockets. In about 2 years people will wake up and see what is happening. Especially when the current SAG shows start turning AFTRA. If you say that can’t happen, then again you are uninformed. Also, why has SAG issued a gag order on all of the board members not to inform them on what happens in board meetings? This too is against the constitution. Don’t be surprised if people start going to jail for all the side deals that you don’t know about.. Once the rock is pulled up, you will see the cockroaches get squashed.
To my fellow actors,
Everyone please quit fighting. And please no more ALL CAPS. The passion that still exists on both sides of this argument is quite frankly annoying.
The simple truth is this. Go get another job. Acting as a career was a foolish choice, now it is simply insanity. We fight each other as our checks bounce. Move on. Go learn a trade. Take care of your families. There is still money to be made. Just not here.
How soon until AFTRA gets dissolved into SAG?
OK, I am guessing this is going to be a good thing??
Sandra
it is only a good thing if it is only actors. sag and aftra leadership will try and bring in broadcasters as well so they get the union dues. but that also means that broadcasters will be voting on things that only affect actors. aftra would never let actors only go to sag (they have said as much). if broadcasters are able to vote on contracts that do not affect them, they will vote for them as to avoid any kind of strike. whenever you have people having a say in a contract that doesn’t affect them this spells disaster. go to http://www.sagwatchdog.com for more info in why we are getting screwed.
And what’s that? – It’s smart business. Nothing less.