Luke Y Thompson covers the Con for Deadline:
By the time The Simpsons makes a joke about something, you know it’s out there. Last Sunday, when Comic Book Guy was mocked by Lisa for being a fat guy who didn’t conform to the “jolly” stereotype, he responded that nobody could be happy if they knew Comic-Con might move to Anaheim.
Certainly, few in the biz want that to happen either; even Comic-Con’s director of PR, David Glanzer, told me that “We were born in San Diego, we’d really like to stay in San Diego: we just have serious challenges.” But in fact, this talk isn’t new. For several years now, there has been talk of Comic-Con International using Anaheim as a negotiating tactic, feeling that the city of San Diego is taking the convention for granted; the lease expires after 2012. More recently, Los Angeles has stepped up a bid of its own to bring Comic-Con to the L.A. convention center, and comicsbeat.com has done a good job of covering the various offers and counter-offers out there.
Glanzer and others frame the issue as primarily one of space: he cites a waiting list of 400-600 exhibitors who want to get in but can’t, and the fact that 4-day passes for this years show sold out last September. But when pressed on the issue of the city’s appreciation, he replied, “I can’t say that they haven’t been supportive, but I can say that with this recent negotiation, the outpouring of support has been really dramatic… from the center, from hotels, from the mayor’s office, and it’s something we truly appreciate.”
But how do the professional attendees feel? My sources invariably see it as a battle between San Diego and Los Angeles, with Anaheim an irrelevant factor, despite the fact that it has the most hotel space. First of all, it’s Disney’s backyard, which could put the other movie studios ill at ease (Glanzer denies that this would be an issue, saying that it was originally a question they had, but that all parties involved have assured him it would not be a problem). And secondly, it’s enough of a commute from L.A. to be an annoyance, and not quite enough to be a vacation (though fans and exhibitors who actually live in OC are for it, nobody else seems to be).
Jeff Katz, a comic-book writer and former executive at Fox and New Line, sees the struggle this way: “Are you a fan show with trade elements, or are you a trade show that lets in fans…or is there a happy medium? They have to decide: if it’s about servicing the larger multimedia needs, as though Comic-Con is a piece of the pipeline as opposed to a destination event, then sure LA makes a lot more sense. If it’s a destination event that wants to reach out to families and keep that branding, that is San Diego.”
Though the general sense is that attendees who are already fans like the San Diego setting, while executives more concerned with the bottom line do not, Katz notes “There’s a whole group of us in the middle that like going down to San Diego, because it gives us a chance to get out of LA and see our friends from a host of mediums.”
Mark Evanier, a comic-book writer who has been attending the convention since the first one in 1970, agrees. “When we go to Comic-Con, we all go and stay down there, and it becomes like a retreat, we’re all together night and day, and when you pass people on the street, they’re people that are on the way to the convention. It’s a whole city of common interest, which it wouldn’t be in Anaheim or LA. There’s something nice to the vacation aspect of it.”
He also adds that he doesn’t think the convention organizers or attendees in general want to move, just that all options are being considered as a negotiating tactic, and a temporary one at that. “It’s not a question of never getting bigger – San Diego’s expanding that facility. It’s just a question of whether they wanna move for a few years and then move back to San Diego. If they could somehow magically speed up that development, I don’t think this would even be an issue.” Not that he’s unbiased: “I’ve MASTERED that place. I don’t wanna start over at the convention center.” If it goes to L.A., though, he says he has a plan. “I had to pay $50 in the parking lot across the street [for the E3 convention] and if Comic-Con moved it would be bigger than that, so I would buy that real estate.”
Evanier and Katz are also in agreement with most others about the pedestrian and family-friendly nature of San Diego — L.A. live and the Nokia Theater may be nice improvements, but they really aren’t for kids. Anaheim is, but it would be competing with Disneyland’s peak season for hotel space.
Recent offers by San Diego businesses to help shoulder the cost are seen by some as too little, too late…but those who attend regularly are overwhelmingly in the camp of keeping things as they are. Katz thinks this will come to a head soon, noting, “Every year we say that this is the year that might see the breaking point; it feels to me like this year might be it, between the frustration people had booking hotels, you have another convention down there…it seems to me that we’re now getting to that point where, coinciding with the lease coming up, decisions have to be made. Whatever they do, it’s gonna be unpopular with one segment of the audience.”


Fans, like myself, are annoyed. Too many people crammed into too small a space. That’s what it comes down to. In addition, many top-flight artists and creators are skipping SDCC this year because the cost is too prohibitive. I think the prediction that this year is the breaking point is the correct one. The hard-core comic book sector is going to move to other smaller cons, and SDCC is going to become one large marketing event for media companies. It’s now a pop culture convention that needs a larger venue. Where that venue ends up being, only time will tell.
I’d be fine if they moved it Anaheim. Maybe Disney could give half off to Disneyland for attendees? But Las Vegas should be considered. The convention space there is triple anywhere else and do I need to argue hotel rooms? Restaurants? And all the other stuff to do?! They do ShoWest in Vegas, why not ComicCon?
I’ve attended the convention 3 times…once in 2000 and in 2007 and 2008 and the difference between my first time and my recent trips was night and day. For years, the comic book sub genre was kept in the basement by the entertainment industry and now its the new hot trend so everyone wants a piece of the good buzz that a good response from Comic Con will get you.
It has gotten out of hand with exhibitors there that have ZERO business being there and are just trying to get some crumbs off the table by being vaguely in the genre.
I love the city of San Diego, I spent 2 years stationed there and really enjoy visiting, so being able to go to a comic convention in a great city like that is fantastic but it has gotten bloated.
The show needs to go back to its roots and become about COMICS again, if you’re a studio and you don’t have an adaptation or an animated series coming out related to a comic or graphic novel, you shouldn’t be there…for anyone wanting a more ‘comic’ centered con, try Wonder Con or the C2E2 expo in Chicago
“The show needs to go back to its roots and become about COMICS again,”
Those days are long over for this con. The only way that can happen is to start another convention.
there are other cons that are book centered, as I mentioned WonderCon (which is run by the same organization that runs the San Diego Con and C2E2 in Chicago)
Hollywood will tire of the genre eventually and the con may return to its roots…it’s like the uncool kids having a party, then the cool kids show up to take over the party and take credit for it being an awesome party when they had nothing to do with it…eventually the cool kids will leave
couldn’t agree with you more, but will never happen. hollywood spoils everything.
Comic-Con in SD is great, but the (lack of) hotel space has become a disaster. I called at 9:02am the day the rooms were released (at 9:00am), and the hotels were already booked and I’m on a waiting list. They assured me that once the deposit date of June 18th hits, people will cancel reservations and rooms should open up, but who knows. Something needs to be done.
Logically, this won’t happen in LA because so many of us going to SD live here in LA, and won’t need hotels. It might be less family-friendly, but it is what it is.
“They assured me that once the deposit date of June 18th hits, people will cancel reservations and rooms should open up,”
That’s how I get my rooms every year – it totally works and you get a primo spot for a better deal than what people booked for months back.
Selfishly I wouldn’t mind Comic-Con moving to LA or Anahiem. The hotels in SD are very pricey and the drive from LA is a nightmare. However, it’s always fun to get out of LA for any reason and it’s by far a more beautiful city than LA. I agree with Katz on this one although he needs to lose a few lbs and stop sweating.
It’s funny how many of you talk about how great it would be to have the San Diego Con in your own backyard out in LA, how that would cut down on hotel costs and commute time, et cetera. What you fail to realize is that many people in San Diego (like me) are just like you. I don’t want to commute all the way up to SmelL-A from San Diego, and have to pay for pricey hotels, either.
Yet, those of you from LA who want the Con there and complain about your driving and hotel problems would love to heap them on us San Diegans. Interesting. “We don’t like this problem. Solve it by bringing this closer, even though this event was there first, and that puts our problem on someone else. It’s better that they have to deal with our problems instead of us.”
Really?
Moving Comic-Con to a new location within Southern Cal isn’t something boycott-worthy, is it? I don’t understand the resistance to moving it somewhere else – especially since it’s local. It’s not like the organizers are lobbying to move it to Boise (no offense Idahoans).
My (non-entertainment) industry has one of its conventions in Anaheim every year. The Anaheim Convention Center is actually a great venue. It’s pretty close to airports, hotel space is abundant and Disney is just a couple of blocks away for those that need to get their Mouse on.
If the Con moves to LA it will be better for the movie/tv industry and TERRIBLE for fans. Despite San Diegos area hotel gouge tactics ( which amount to theft ) San Diego is a great place for the con. They just need to think outside the box a little. Add an extra day. Don’t cram all the best events to Friday and Saturday. More stuff outside the convention center ( this works for SXSW and Sundance). You could easily do TV or Movie panels outside the convention center in another space to reduce traffic in the convention center. If there are 400-600 people on the wait list then why not rotate some vendors year to year.
Any ideas of moving from san diego is royally stupid,where are the majority of the attendees going to stay?
Most of the hotels will be full of disney attendees,parking and lines of queues will be for disney anyway.
Where does everyone go to eat and be entertained afterwards as well?
San diego is safe and kid friendly too.
Bring it to LA or Anaheim. I’d rather spend my money on the convention rather than hotel costs in San Diego.
San Diego doesn’t have nearly enough hotel rooms to cover Comic-Con. It’s a lovely city, but it’s just not big enough.
For the money I’d save on hotel fees in San Diego, I can take a real vacation somewhere else.
Why is Las Vegas out of the question? Hotels galore and it would make it cheaper for everyone involved.
There’s an assumption here that Comicon will just keep growing forever, which I doubt. If it moves, and then it begins contracting as everything ultimately does, it will have lost both its clout and its soul (not that much of it is left these days).
It doesn’t matter that San Diego “is expanding” the facilities and may be ready by the time the con’s lease is up, the problem is that the convention needs more space NOW. The organizers should’ve started looking into alternate sites years ago when they started selling out months in advance.
Now that’s a great costume! Ananheim convention center is big and easy to get to….lots of overflow parking for Disneyland.
i’ve been going 9 years now,i have seen it grow in a massive way,alot of people stay far out anyway to save money on hotel bills or come a long distance via train or car.
Some of the problems is the studios booking a block of rooms “in case their crew or who ever needs it”which can take up rooms.
I really think comic con does not need to grow any further,there comes a point where the panels would not b able to showcase their media to a larger crowd because of the physical limits of the building,rooms and the timescale to get people into a large hanger size rooms have a limit,
people just need to realize if u wanna go,book ahead and get in line-simple
Also i got thinking about l.a! how many big hotels are there right nxt dr to the convention centre in l.a?
Not as many or centainly not walking distance,how is the talent going to get to the panels on time through L.A rush hour,sometimes longer distance gets u to ur destination quicker than shorter.
All nr hotels will b booked up in seconds,plus the area is not family safe nor is it easy on the eye.
Where will every go to eat immediatly afterwards?
It’s a business district,all restaurants are subways and burger havens-no thanks,
San diego offers loads of great restaurants and shops nr by.
I have been past the convention centre,the area is horrible and will not support what the attendees want or expect.
Los angeles is just making a bid for their behalf and not the attendees interests,plus ur going to get a load of people going because it’s “closer” putting out the people who really love comics and want comic-con represents.
um, only downtown places to eat are SUBWAYS and burger joints? Have you even been to all the new stuff at LA LIVE and the new restaurants on 7th Street and around the Convention Center?
E3 at the convention center has done a fantastic job at keeping events onsite and allowing conventioners to lunch all over downtown and with the Dash
The bottleneck on the 405 alone makes SD a nightmare. I know several people who’ve been stuck in 4h drives there and back. Plus, SD is a police state with a boring kegger culture. LA can offer a multiplex and the old Broadway theaters for a genre film festival, world class museums and the greatest concentration of working artists, musicians, animators and writers in the English speaking world.
There are plenty of rooms in San Diego… just not in walking distance. If you don’t mind a 10-15 minute trolley ride, you’re good to go – and those rooms are much cheaper. I just booked last week.
San Diego may be a smaller less “Hotel friendly” city, but since The Convention Center is downtown in LA where rooms aren’t known for being cheap, it seems that those who do decide to fly in will be sadly bummed when they book a room in Hollywood by mistake (or even further out) then have to rely on Busses that work on “vague” scheduling tables that don’t even come close to what the posted times are via the mta website or other associated prices (such as parking, food costs and accommodations), it’s going to make SD look like heaven comparatively.
If it goes to LA it might seem like a great idea at first, but for those traveling in to see it (non-industry types) it’s going to be an eye-opener.
Bring it to Anaheim or LA!
I second what Red Mist says, I don’t want to waste money on hotels, gas and food when I live 20 minutes from Anaheim and work in LA regularly. We have Anime Expo in Long Beach, E3 in LA and Blizzcon in Anaheim already, LA is where the nerds are!
There is no way that Comic-Con should come to LA. The traffic is already horrendous without big events. Getting down the 10 to downtown would be impossible. And with CalTrans’ ever present construction it would be a nightmare for all fans to come to LA.
No, it should stay in San Diego. The facilities might be a challenge, but the roads and transit are definitely better.
Seems like the issues are these:
1) Capacity of the convention center
2) Number of hotel rooms available
3) Entertainment and food options close to the convention center
Sounds like Comic-Con should actually be talking to Las Vegas. It fits all three of these needs and it is a destination. It also has experience handling large conventions. There are plenty of low-priced restaurants, amusement rides, shows, clubs and gambling for the adults. It is pedestrian freindly. There is a monorail and easy shuttle buses to/from the convention center. Plus when a convention is in town, you know it as it is all confined to the strip area.
The family-friendly aspect of Comic-Con should not be the basis for any decision about location. I don’t know of any studies that have been done of Comic-Con attendees, but my unscientific observations tell me that the majority of attendees are unmarried. Or if they are married, they don’t have kids.
The problems I see with San Diego is lack of space in the convention center for everyone to get to see what they want and move comfortably.
Secondly, the lack of affordable housing options nearby. This is a big sticking point as hotel rooms gouge the hell out of their prices during comic-con by doubling or tripling rack rates. It appears that the city of San Diego has no desire to put hotel rates under control which would be the main reason why Comic-Con should leave San Diego. The price guaranteed hotel rooms that Comic-Con resales sell out within a few hours (if the system doesn’t crash.)
Lastly, the lack of affordable parking. Last year, I saw many parking lots charging $30 to $40 to park nearby (which is coming dangerously close to the crazy E3 prices).
My advice to San Diego: stop price gouging. You are scaring away the convention.
Maybe 2 years of the Con in Las Vegas or Los Angeles would make San Diego appreciate what they have.
Agree with you on most of this, especially the hotel and parking situation.
However, I want to add that this coming year has gotten even worse as half the hotels on the convention circuit HAVE DROPPED SHUTTLE SERVICE. We used to take and split the fare of taxis in the morning to get there quicker but used the shuttle during the day and at night. We now have a room on the trolley line, but that’s a pay as you go and so one has to pay every time one wants to drop things off during the day… hampers shopping in the exhibition hall.
Why would you pay as you go on the trolley? You can buy a 4 day pass (if you’re staying that long) for about $15. I did that 2 years ago and I actually never took it out of my wallet. So technically, you wouldn’t even have to buy a ticket to ride the trolley, but I wouldn’t take the chance that someone might ask to see your ticket…
las vegas.
reading the comments vegas would be a good idea,but los angeles? hell no…l.a transport is dire and unrealiable.
As for there isnt enough representation of comics…rubbish,dc,idw,marvel,heavy metal,dark horse and all indies are there always,it’s the traffic of people that is stopping u from seeing them all,all the big hollywood joints arnt taking away spots at all.
they r mostly upstairs.
It needs to stay in san diego,as for the booking for a discount through the comic con rate-forget it,it aint happening it doesnt work properly,my advice some hotels like marriott do prebook where u pay in advance and get ur room reserved months ahead,a good piece of mind,iv done that for years.