BREAKING NEWS! 2ND UPDATE 12:40 PM: The subject of today’s Warner Bros/DC Comics lawsuit, Los Angeles copyright attorney Marc Toberoff, just gave me his response. (See below)
Original Post Filed 10:26 AM. Updated Writethru 11:30 AM:
Today there’s been a shocking development in the Superman copyright litigation. Warner Bros has gone up against and in some situations lost too many such rights cases against its arch-nemesis, lawyer Marc Toberoff. So recently the studio hired Daniel Petrocelli to come up with a new strategy to prevent the studio from possibly losing a portion of the copyright to Superman in 2013 as a court has previously ruled, and Petrocelli has obliged. His newest tactic? To get rid of Toberoff entirely. This morning, Warner Bros’ new outside counsel is filing has filed a lawsuit in federal court in Los Angeles against Toberoff raising questions about his alleged role as a financial participant in the Superman copyright and not as the attorney for the Shuster and Siegel families litigating their Superman cases. But the purpose of the lawsuit is obviously to put Toberoff in a position where he might have to resign as the Siegel and Shuster attorney.
It’s a hardball and some might say also despicable tactic by Petrocelli and the studio’s new general counsel John Rogovin (hiding behind DC Comics), especially because it hinges on documents stolen from Toberoff’s office by a Toberoff employee. (I’ve learned that Warner Bros claims the documents mysteriously “arrived” on its doorstep and that the employee was a lawyer in Toberoff’s firm and a “whistleblower”. Toberoff has indicated that something much more nefarious may have happened. (See his response below.) What’s also ironic about Petrocelli’s tactic is that, when he defended Disney against the Slesinger family’s Winnie The Pooh underpaid royalty claims, he was able to get the entire case thrown out of court by alleging that the Slesinger’s were basing some of their documentation on paperwork “stolen” from a dumpster on the Disney lot. Oh, how the worm has tuned. (Full Disclosure: Petrocelli, on behalf of Disney in the Pooh case, once gave a media interview that defamed me.)
Here is what Marc Toberoff just told me after he was sued:
“Having substantially lost the Superman copyright, Warner Bros and DC Comics and their new counsel Daniel Petrocelli now resort to gutter tactics and personally libel me rather than just litigate the remainder of the case on the merits. Even before filing this lawsuit, Warner Bros launched a well cordinated media campaign to defame me. Warner Brothers and Mr. Petrocelli are well aware that their frivolous allegations in the complaint will never prevail. However, that’s not the purpose of the lawsuit against me. The purpose is to defame me or potentially conflict me out of the case and thereby pressure my clients to sell back the Superman and Superboy copyrights they’ve recaptured at a distress sales price.
Warner Bros, DC Comics, and Mr. Pertocelli disingenously claim that I have a financial interest in the lawsuits when they know full well that the only interest I have is a contingent legal fee. And the last time I checked, a lawyer working on a contigent fee basis is legal in the State of California. The goal here is to muddy the waters and avoid litigating on the merits. As further proof of that, Warner Brothers, DC Comics, and Mr. Petrocelli attach to their complaint an anonymous letter spewing unsubstantiated and unattributed accusations — and time will tell whether Warner Bros itself had a hand in that letter. Such unethical thug tactics are nothing short of deplorable. Warner Bros and Mr. Petrocelli should be ashamed of themselves.
In recognition of the inferior bargaining power of authors who seek to get their works published, the termination provisions of the Copyright Act specifically allow authors and their heirs the right to recover their copyrights by terminating, with an emphasis on terminating, prior grants of copyrights. Ridiculously, Warner Brothers/DC Comics is alleging that the exercise of this termination right is the basis for their frivolous claim of tortious interference with an existing contract. The Siegels, Shusters, and I will vigorously defend against these baseless accusations, and my clients remain undeterred in their efforts to protect their Superman and Superboy copyrights.
Warner Bros has to be careful, very careful, not to piss off the Superman fans who are steadfastly in the Shuster and Siegal corners. The studio recently put Warner Bros veteran executive Diane Nelson as the head of DC Entertainment Inc, that new company founded to fully realize and integrate the power and value of the DC Comics brand and characters across all media and platforms into Warner Bros Entertainment’s content and distribution businesses. Nelson especially was charged with suping up Superman again in a way fans like because it’s way too valuable a property to leave dormant like this.
Besides, the clock is ticking. Toberoff, who keeps suing Warner Bros on behalf of creative rightsholders, has warned the studio that, in 2013, the Jerome Siegel heirs along with the estate of co-creator Joe Shuster will own a portion of the original copyright to Superman — “and neither DC Comics nor Warner Bros will be able to exploit any new Superman works without a license from the Siegels and Shusters”. He’s also pointed out that, if Warner Bros does not start production on a new Superman sequel or reboot by 2011, the Siegels could sue to recover their damages on the grounds that the deal should have contained a clause in which the rights returned to the owners after a given time if no film was in development. The heirs of Siegel have already been awarded half the copyright for Superman. And in 2013 the heirs of co-creator Joe Shuster get the remaining half. After that, neither DC Comics nor Warner Bros will be able to use Superman without a financial agreement with the heirs. There are also stipulations on what parts of the origins story can be used in future Superman movies and which require re-negotiations with the creators’ heirs or estates.
Today’s lawsuit alleges these talking points:
– DC Comics filed suit today in the federal court in Los Angeles to protect its longstanding rights in the Superman franchise. During the past 70 years, DC and Warner Bros. have brought together many of the finest writers, artists, television producers and filmmakers to continue to popularize Superman, chronicle his new adventures in all media, and maintain him as one of the world’s best-loved characters. The untold millions invested in the property by DC has resulted in an unbroken 70-year history of consistent success with Superman, equaled by no other fictional hero.
– During their lifetimes, Superman co-creators Jerome Siegel and Joe Shuster never tried to exercise any right to terminate and recapture DC’s copyrights to Superman. They worked constructively with DC to arrive at mutually beneficial agreements, and after their deaths, so did their families. These agreements provided both co-creators and their families lifetime compensation and assured DC’s ability to continue developing and exploiting the Superman property in movies, television, and other media.
– The lawsuit alleges that changed when Los Angeles-based Marc Toberoff and companies under his control learned of WB’s agreements with the families and sought to gain control of DC’s Superman rights. As alleged in the lawsuit, Toberoff caused the Shuster and Siegel families to repudiate their agreements and relations with DC, enter into a web of new agreements with his companies, and terminate and seek to recapture DC’s Superman copyright interests. The complaint alleges this was done to position Toberoff and his companies to secure a controlling financial interest in the families’ collective claims — leaving him as the largest financial stakeholder (47.5%), while relegating the Siegel heirs (27.5%) and Shuster heirs (25%) to minority status.
– At issue is the future generation of Superman movies, television programs, and comics would be placed at risk. The lawsuit asks the Court to confirm DC’s ownership of Superman rights, put an end to Toberoff’s activity allegedly interfering with the rights, and clear the way for all new Superman productions in the future. DC claims it filed this lawsuit only after exhaustive attempts to resolve these matters failed.
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All I can say is that I hope this new tactic totally blows up in Warner Bros. face. Shuster and Siegel deserved to share in the vast riches their creation generated. I was hoping that at least, perhaps, their families would be able to … now Warner Bros. pulls this sh*t. What scumbags!
SHAME on WB.
SHAME.
Great scoop. Can’t wait to read the “nefarious” details. Damn lawyers, (all of us).
Given that the fabulously wealthy Toberoff has a habit of getting gullible writers to (in violation of guild rules) write scripts based on properties he controls for no money up front in exchange for promises of back-end participation that rarely materialize, he should be considered an expert on the meaning of the word despicable.
So a Watergate style break-in to steal documents? Petrocelli is a scumbag and it won’t matter if Toberoff is forced to recuse himself there are many lawyers who will be very happy to represent the rights-holding heirs. Warners had better get their next Superman movie up and running soon because eventually they are going to lose all rights to him and me. Up up and away!
It’s Scum vs. Scum. Wait, who has the rights to THAT franchise??
BINGO MATE. Couldnt have said it better myself!
Warner/DC simply cannot win this, period.
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“During their lifetimes, Superman co-creators Jerome Siegel and Joe Shuster never tried to exercise any right to terminate and recapture DC’s copyrights to Superman. They worked constructively with DC to arrive at mutually beneficial agreements”
Wow. How does somebody write something like that and then sleep at night?
I’m not entirely convinced Toberoff is innocent here, but for his opponents to actually, straight-facedly claim that Siegel and Shuster never attempted to get their rights back and their decades-long, hard-fought battle for credit and compensation was “work[ing] constructively with DC”…ugh. I just feel dirty thinking about it.
I’m backing Warners,they have maintained superman over the ages and nutured the franchise,not the artists,-the artists were paid for their work and signed off on their creation-all of a sudden it makes a load more than they could ever of hoped for and they cry foul?
I’m a artist,I look after my scripts and art and all of it is copy righted,if my work gets bought then great,you sign off on it and move on,if u dont want to then fine.
But if u want your work/character to be brought to the big and small screen then u have to arrange that in the first place also if they are so passionate about it,why dont they make the production and finance it themselves?
Then they have a big right to the profits because they made it happen,
bottom line is if no one liked superman we wouldnt be having this talkback,OWN YOUR WORK OR DONT!
I agree whole-heartedly. Warner Bros. and DC Comics have maintained Superman very well, (with a few failures… LOIS AND CLARK… take THAT Dean Cain!)But all in all these two companies have been great to me and all fans for 70 years, with Superman, and I am huge Superman fan. I hope they win!
This is just a plain retarded comment … just how in the hell are artists supposed to finance a hollywood production ? Seriously ? go ahead and back the corporate giant WB .. as an artist you should be more sympathetic to intellectual and artistic creators. I highly doubt you are an artist of any merit.
I hope that Warner Bros. prevails in this, while heavily I support the Siegels’ getting more money for Jerry Siegel’s efforts in the creation of Superman, one of the greatest fictional characters created of all time; I have developed a massive disdain for their douchebag of a lawyer.
Especially when he somehow managed to get the Kirby’s to sue Marvel to gain characters that Kirby had very to no influence in their creation (Spider-Man) and already signed away his future rights to the company (Captain America). “Coincidentally”, soon after the Disney takeover was announced.
I highly doubt that the average 15-year-old moviegoer gives a rats ass about how the insanely wealthy estates of Jerome Siegel and Joe Shuster are treated by WB. Personally, after the last debacle I think they should shelf Superman for a while.
I don’t think Warners has to worry one iota about Superman fans in this. People don’t care which lawyers/studio gets paid, they just want to see the movie. Nobody’s going to blackball Superman VIII or whatever we’re at because of some esoteric compensation issue. I hope the families retain control too but let’s be serious, from a box office standpoint this is a nonfactor.
The fact is that Superman existed before S & S sold their already completed story for Action Comics 1. So it wasn’t a work for hire and all the various copyright extentions were for the benefits of the original creators. So they will revert back to S&S after they made their timely claims. Anything in Action Comics 1 will belong to them, but they won’t have claim to anything after that. That would kind of suck for Superman fans, but I’d like to see a movie with that legally binding restraint and they’d basically have to create a new mythology.
Again, according to the article I read when the ruling was first announced, S&S only get the US rights, WB owns the worldwide copyright.
Disney pays billions for Marvel I think WB should have just paid off the heirs and kept everything the same. It seemed obvious that they’d lose.
I think you mean “Non-US” rather than “worldwide” since, last I checked, “worldwide” includes the US.
Given Superman pictures aren’t cheap, it is unlikely anyone will make one without the rights to most of the world, so while terminating a transfer of US rights gives the heirs the right to make and exploit the rights in the US, who is going to invest a bundle in making that movie, with no non-US upside? Practically speaking, this simply lets the heirs hold hostage future Superman pictures until WB pays them off (which the heirs certainly deserve).
why would any such movie suck, everyone knows the origin story, if anything it would be good to just start the next reboot of the character with all that backstory “as read”
Singer already rehashed it to death anyway, to the point where if I have to see a young Clark Kent gazing into the distance on his farm in Kansas one more time, I’m leaving the theater
What a low move by Warners. The only good thing they have done with the Superman property since the second movie is the Timmverse Animated series and Justice League. It took them forever to get a new movie off the ground, and when they finally did, it was a huge disappointment. As a lifelong Superman I think the property deserves better, both to the fans and the heirs of the creators.
You know it’s BS when one high-priced lawyer suggests that another high-priced lawyer (and huge corporation) “…should be ashamed of themselves” for [doing] whatever.
I’m tired of this. Given Toberoff’s history, I have to side with Warners on this one. I’m all for giving some portion of the rights to the Shuster and Siegel estates but to completely rake any right to the character from DC is ridiculous. It’s insane. At the very least, it should be an equal partnership between the Shusters, Siegels and DC but i’m no expert on how these agreements work so I don’t if that’s even possible. All I know is that if the Siegels win and Toberoff gets a portion of the rights, that will be a travesty. All we, comics fans, can hope for us that superman gets to stay at DC no matter who controls the rights.
This is Warner Bros being irrational. If they just treated the heirs like they do J.K. Rowling and the Tolkien estate, everybody would win. But because they used to own the Superman property, now they refuse to come to a equitable deal. They are used to using Superman for free, so now begrudge every penny. Meanwhile, Warner Bros makes sane, generous deals to the owners of other intellectual property, such as Harry Potter. Yes, it’s irritating when you have to pay for something that used to be free, but grown ups deal with it, instead of pouting and throwing fits. Superman is a very valuable property, and, rationally, its owners deserve no less a deal than the Tolkien estate got. But Warners isn’t operating on ration. They are reacting on emotion and throwing a hysterical fit. “Pay? Pay?! For something we used to own and exploit for free? NEVER!” It is short sighted and stupid. Treat Superman like any other intellectual property they are seeking to acquire and all their problems go away.
I agree with redhood,the families should get something why not?but for a lawyer to get a percentage of the rights is pathetic.
The fans are on warner bros side and dc’s side..why would they be on the side of a lawyer who is interferring with their hero and everything about the franchise?
I think the families of s&s are being led up the garden path by toberoff…s&s families should enter a new agreement with dc and warners where they get a percentage and a realistic one since they are not the artists or had any thing to do with creating superman,so it’s a polite fee so to speak.
The tortious inteference claim is absolutely bogus, of course the beneficiaries have legal rights to terminate the assignments. The real issue, however, is whether Mr. Toberoff violated the State of California Bar code of conduct by tying his contingency representation of the beneficiaries to a huge ownership position in a “newco” that will own the terminated copyrights. Is there an inherent conflict? Anyone out there know?
This smacks of desperation on the part of Warners.
But let’s all be clear the Superman copyright struggle isn’t about righting past wrongs.
During their lifetimes, Superman’s creators struck up very lucrative royalty plans with DC. But a change to copyright law has made what is happening now possible, for the heirs to reclaim part of the copyright.
Which is cool; all that is going to change is who gets what percentage of the profits. Fo the rest of us, it’s business as usual.
Not some melodramatic little guy vs. the evil corporation after-school special.
This is TOTALLY about rich people squeezing each other rich people as best they can.
They, Warner Brothers and DC Comics, et al, are just trying to intimidate a lawyer in order to undermine the lawyer’s clients and leave them without legal representation in court, and elsewhere. Typically in Hollywood, they…the studios, and or record companies, will just buy-off lawyers and their firms, but obviously, this lawyer can’t be bought!!! Kudos to him!!!! To deal with him, however, Warner is trying to tie him up in court and illegally bankrupt him via legal expenses, a Scientology like tactic. He should counter sue them for 10 million dollars…plus legal expenses, and then ask for punitive damages in the amount of 30 billion dollars!!!
Warner Brothers is 100% right on this. They will win this case no question about it.
this just shows how deseparate Warner;s and dc are to keep super man for they know given their behavior once shuster and Siegel get they copy right back fully odds are they will sell super man to some one else . given the way warners is behaving with all this legal stuff.as for super man being a work for hire dc originaly passed on super man when first pitched but when Jerry and Joe went into the army published superman and not letting Joe and Jery share the profits. so super man is not a work for hire for dc dc stole super man from jerry and joe after first rejecting him. and can not wait to see what the estates do once the copyright is where it belongs.
Underhanded and dispicable legal dealings? What studio isn’t, when it’s hundreds of $ millions at stake. Let’s get real for a second: Inside the courtroom; fairness/justice have no goddamn place here. It’s about who’s got the smartest guy in the room with using/bending/twisting the laws, manipulating the jury, and including/excluding/screwing the evidence. In the end, I hope Toberoff beats the shit out of Warners and the Shuster & Siegel families are victorious. And in their lifetime (Warners has a genius for delaying tactics & appealing for years…)
It seems to me that all but one of these comments disregards the comic books completely. If this goes through and DC is forced to pay some ludicrous licensing fee the comic books are done. What’s the highest circulated Superman comic right now? 40,000 copies a month? 50,000? It’s not much higher than that. What does DC see of that after all is said and done? $1.00 a copy? A lot of people are chiming in here about how Warner Bros. And DC comics are greedy and/or sleazy. Despicable and underhanded. I don’t feel that way. I have a collection of Superman comics going back almost 25 years. I have read every one of them and loved every second of it. The only people in this case worthy of being branded despicable are those threatening to end this for me three years from now. Like the article says Siegel and Shuster never sought to terminate their agreement with DC. Their families had lifetime compensation. I think this whole case is nonsense. If the status quo for Siegel and Shuster themselves was good enough until they died their family has no claim.
This type of tactic would not have happened while John Schulman was General Counsel. Despite being a hard-assed, take-no-prisoners attorney who took his role seriously but negotiated fairly, John was and is a class act. Rogovin, perhaps folding under the pressure of the 2013 deadline and Robinov’s inability to develop anything not based on a D.C comic book character or not called “Harry Pottter”, is resorting to the kind of tactics that even seem sleazy by Hollywood standards. Yuk!