BREAKING NEWS! 2ND UPDATE 12:40 PM: The subject of today’s Warner Bros/DC Comics lawsuit, Los Angeles copyright attorney Marc Toberoff, just gave me his response. (See below)
Original Post Filed 10:26 AM. Updated Writethru 11:30 AM:
Today there’s been a shocking development in the Superman copyright litigation. Warner Bros has gone up against and in some situations lost too many such rights cases against its arch-nemesis, lawyer Marc Toberoff. So recently the studio hired Daniel Petrocelli to come up with a new strategy to prevent the studio from possibly losing a portion of the copyright to Superman in 2013 as a court has previously ruled, and Petrocelli has obliged. His newest tactic? To get rid of Toberoff entirely. This morning, Warner Bros’ new outside counsel is filing has filed a lawsuit in federal court in Los Angeles against Toberoff raising questions about his alleged role as a financial participant in the Superman copyright and not as the attorney for the Shuster and Siegel families litigating their Superman cases. But the purpose of the lawsuit is obviously to put Toberoff in a position where he might have to resign as the Siegel and Shuster attorney.
It’s a hardball and some might say also despicable tactic by Petrocelli and the studio’s new general counsel John Rogovin (hiding behind DC Comics), especially because it hinges on documents stolen from Toberoff’s office by a Toberoff employee. (I’ve learned that Warner Bros claims the documents mysteriously “arrived” on its doorstep and that the employee was a lawyer in Toberoff’s firm and a “whistleblower”. Toberoff has indicated that something much more nefarious may have happened. (See his response below.) What’s also ironic about Petrocelli’s tactic is that, when he defended Disney against the Slesinger family’s Winnie The Pooh underpaid royalty claims, he was able to get the entire case thrown out of court by alleging that the Slesinger’s were basing some of their documentation on paperwork “stolen” from a dumpster on the Disney lot. Oh, how the worm has tuned. (Full Disclosure: Petrocelli, on behalf of Disney in the Pooh case, once gave a media interview that defamed me.)
Here is what Marc Toberoff just told me after he was sued:
“Having substantially lost the Superman copyright, Warner Bros and DC Comics and their new counsel Daniel Petrocelli now resort to gutter tactics and personally libel me rather than just litigate the remainder of the case on the merits. Even before filing this lawsuit, Warner Bros launched a well cordinated media campaign to defame me. Warner Brothers and Mr. Petrocelli are well aware that their frivolous allegations in the complaint will never prevail. However, that’s not the purpose of the lawsuit against me. The purpose is to defame me or potentially conflict me out of the case and thereby pressure my clients to sell back the Superman and Superboy copyrights they’ve recaptured at a distress sales price.
Warner Bros, DC Comics, and Mr. Pertocelli disingenously claim that I have a financial interest in the lawsuits when they know full well that the only interest I have is a contingent legal fee. And the last time I checked, a lawyer working on a contigent fee basis is legal in the State of California. The goal here is to muddy the waters and avoid litigating on the merits. As further proof of that, Warner Brothers, DC Comics, and Mr. Petrocelli attach to their complaint an anonymous letter spewing unsubstantiated and unattributed accusations — and time will tell whether Warner Bros itself had a hand in that letter. Such unethical thug tactics are nothing short of deplorable. Warner Bros and Mr. Petrocelli should be ashamed of themselves.
In recognition of the inferior bargaining power of authors who seek to get their works published, the termination provisions of the Copyright Act specifically allow authors and their heirs the right to recover their copyrights by terminating, with an emphasis on terminating, prior grants of copyrights. Ridiculously, Warner Brothers/DC Comics is alleging that the exercise of this termination right is the basis for their frivolous claim of tortious interference with an existing contract. The Siegels, Shusters, and I will vigorously defend against these baseless accusations, and my clients remain undeterred in their efforts to protect their Superman and Superboy copyrights.
Warner Bros has to be careful, very careful, not to piss off the Superman fans who are steadfastly in the Shuster and Siegal corners. The studio recently put Warner Bros veteran executive Diane Nelson as the head of DC Entertainment Inc, that new company founded to fully realize and integrate the power and value of the DC Comics brand and characters across all media and platforms into Warner Bros Entertainment’s content and distribution businesses. Nelson especially was charged with suping up Superman again in a way fans like because it’s way too valuable a property to leave dormant like this.
Besides, the clock is ticking. Toberoff, who keeps suing Warner Bros on behalf of creative rightsholders, has warned the studio that, in 2013, the Jerome Siegel heirs along with the estate of co-creator Joe Shuster will own a portion of the original copyright to Superman — “and neither DC Comics nor Warner Bros will be able to exploit any new Superman works without a license from the Siegels and Shusters”. He’s also pointed out that, if Warner Bros does not start production on a new Superman sequel or reboot by 2011, the Siegels could sue to recover their damages on the grounds that the deal should have contained a clause in which the rights returned to the owners after a given time if no film was in development. The heirs of Siegel have already been awarded half the copyright for Superman. And in 2013 the heirs of co-creator Joe Shuster get the remaining half. After that, neither DC Comics nor Warner Bros will be able to use Superman without a financial agreement with the heirs. There are also stipulations on what parts of the origins story can be used in future Superman movies and which require re-negotiations with the creators’ heirs or estates.
Today’s lawsuit alleges these talking points:
– DC Comics filed suit today in the federal court in Los Angeles to protect its longstanding rights in the Superman franchise. During the past 70 years, DC and Warner Bros. have brought together many of the finest writers, artists, television producers and filmmakers to continue to popularize Superman, chronicle his new adventures in all media, and maintain him as one of the world’s best-loved characters. The untold millions invested in the property by DC has resulted in an unbroken 70-year history of consistent success with Superman, equaled by no other fictional hero.
– During their lifetimes, Superman co-creators Jerome Siegel and Joe Shuster never tried to exercise any right to terminate and recapture DC’s copyrights to Superman. They worked constructively with DC to arrive at mutually beneficial agreements, and after their deaths, so did their families. These agreements provided both co-creators and their families lifetime compensation and assured DC’s ability to continue developing and exploiting the Superman property in movies, television, and other media.
– The lawsuit alleges that changed when Los Angeles-based Marc Toberoff and companies under his control learned of WB’s agreements with the families and sought to gain control of DC’s Superman rights. As alleged in the lawsuit, Toberoff caused the Shuster and Siegel families to repudiate their agreements and relations with DC, enter into a web of new agreements with his companies, and terminate and seek to recapture DC’s Superman copyright interests. The complaint alleges this was done to position Toberoff and his companies to secure a controlling financial interest in the families’ collective claims — leaving him as the largest financial stakeholder (47.5%), while relegating the Siegel heirs (27.5%) and Shuster heirs (25%) to minority status.
– At issue is the future generation of Superman movies, television programs, and comics would be placed at risk. The lawsuit asks the Court to confirm DC’s ownership of Superman rights, put an end to Toberoff’s activity allegedly interfering with the rights, and clear the way for all new Superman productions in the future. DC claims it filed this lawsuit only after exhaustive attempts to resolve these matters failed.
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Warner are sleazebags, let’s get that out of the way, but the families don’t deserve any more largesse for something Siegel and Schuster did 75 years ago…then again, maybe it’s time to let this character enter the public domain, I don’t see why the corporate owners should have him either
I dealt with MT on an film property which he controlled. Bottom line, he’s a very smart lawyer who finds, and then acquires, a financial stake, in older intellectual property. This is a legitimate business and MT executes it very, very well. But, at heart, he is a lawyer, not a producer, and due to his litigious nature, his projects mostly get bogged down or (as with Superman) stopped completely. And the only solution to getting projects moving forward again is money. Lots and lots of money. Again, nothing wrong with that, but this business model does not create jobs, it does not create creativity, and it certainly does not create movie magic. It simply exhausts really talented and creative people who move on to other projects that they can control.
Show me the money! Not about nice guys or tactics, it is about a billion dollar copyright…Plain and simple. Stealing files, happens all the time. In this town it will matter when they reach down to pull out the heart only to find it is missing. Hope we can watch on t.v. I would gladly pay for this series.
It’s obvious reading the comments that the vast majority of commentors here don’t know jack about the topic at hand.
First off, Siegel and Shuster NEVER attempted to regain their rights to the character from DC?!!! How about doing some research, people, and you’ll find that Jerry and Joe first tried to take back their creation sometime in 1947, and were undercut in their efforts to do so when DC cut a deal with Bob Kane for Batman (while incidentally screwing Bill Finger out of his share of Batman rights at the same time. Talk about a two-fer!)
Jerry and Joe were written out of Superman’s history, receiving no credit and zero dollars for decades after that. It wasn’t until the first Richard Donner film was being made that DC artist Neal Adams led the charge for Warners to do the right thing for Jerry and Joe. Due to the negative publicity, Warners eventually cut them a pension check for $20k a year, which was quietly raised years later after the hoopla over that debacle died down.
Jerry and Joe never shared in the vast riches their creation made for DC to any extent they were due, so all of those people writing about the mega-fortunes of Superman’s creators are clearly showing their ignorance, jealously or corporate bias (take your pick). They lived at best comfortably in their golden years, but nowhere near what anyone imagines.
With regards to the artists who say Superman wouldn’t be anything without DC Comics also shows their ignorance as well, as it’s not DC Comics who made Superman famous, but rather the creativity of Jerry and Joe which spawned a creation that fired the imaginations of the American reading public and the world beyond. Superman would have been a hit back in 1938 no matter who published the work, whether it was Timely Comics (the original incarnation of what we know today as Marvel Entertainment) which published the Human Torch, Sub-Mariner and Captain America, or Fawcett Comics which published Captain Marvel or Quality Comics which originally published Blackhawk.
Note this also applies to artist Jack Kirby, who co-created Captain America back in 1941. He and then-partner Joe Simon were given a big welcome by DC Comics after Jack and Joe became fed up with publisher Martin Goodman, who was withholding royalties they earned from Captain America. Anyone studying Jack’s history knows his work was a hit with readers no matter who was publishing it, and he had a long track record of hits well before he co-created what we know as the Marvel Universe. Even after his stint at Marvel, Jack created a plethora of characters at DC Comics which the company continues to exploit.
A study of the record also shows that Jack was never compensated to the fair extent he was due. That his family and the heirs of Siegel and Shuster are pursuing their rights to the creations of their deceased fathers and husbands is the fair and just thing to do. I’d like to see those who complain about the families seeking compensation would refrain from doing so if they walked in similar shoes.
Warners deserves to lose and lose big time, as does Disney and Marvel where Jack’s estate is concerned. As for the commentator who claimed Jack seeking credit for Spider-Man he doesn’t deserve obviously doesn’t know his comic history. While it’s true artist Steve Ditko deserves the lion’s share of credit for the Spider-Man we know and love, Jack was very much a part of the original genesis of the character, and it is his artwork (inked by Steve Ditko) which graces the cover of AMAZING FANTASY #15, the very first comic book to ever feature Spider-Man.
Next time, people, get a clue before you write something that reveals you for the horse’s ass you are.
Thank you filmlover 24/7. It’s nice to see someone actually knows their comic book history. And you are completely correct.
Jerry And Joe got screwed so badly by DC at the time, it made everybody sick.
But it’s always the same story. A few very talented people create something, and then the bureaucrats and untalented people move in and destroy it by trying to milk it for every single dollar they can.
I hope for a day when writers, artists and other creators ditch their agents, managers and lawyers and just sell their work direct to the public.
But it probably won’t happen in my life time.
The only one smart enough to get his share was Stan Lee. But even he waited till his seventies. And then took a lot of criticism for wanting 10% of the money he generated. Yeah – “How dare he want 10%”.
My only advice is for creators and the public to get together, and try their damned hardest to cut the middle men out – and keep privately owned companies – privately owned.
So let me get this straight, the Siegel’s and Shuster’s didn’t set up an excellent deal for themselves in the past so WB and DC should have to pay and pay and pay going forward. Jesus, their are some douche bag morons in this world that continue preaching their shit on this site (hell, you would think filmlover24/7 and CaptainCaveman are Marc Toberoff’s little lap dogs assistants).
The facts are Marc Toberoff is a pathetic excuse for a human being as are WB’s legal team but fair is fair. Superman belongs to WB and DC and that should be the end of the story.
As if Superman should ever belong 47.5% to Marc Toberoff.
Money grabbing at its finest.
But as Paul Looker mentioned earlier its the comic book fans who will suffer. If this comes to pass there will be no Superman comics and that will be the greatest loss of all.
To Omg –
Actually, you’re the moron demonstrating what little knowledge you possess. First off, since Jerry and Joe created Superman, it is they who are entitled to profit from their creation more than anyone else. Let’s look at Stephen King, John Grisham or J.K. Rowlings, who, as authors, do profit from everything they create every time a new edition is published or someone wants to base a film or any derivative work from their creations. Just because we’re talking comic books here doesn’t mean the same principle shouldn’t apply. If Warners or DC HAD paid a fair rate over the past seven decades for the right to publish stories based off Jerry’s and Joe’s creations, there’s no way they’d be in the mess they’re in. If they had cut the same deal for Jerry and Joe that they did for Bob Kane with Batman back in the day, everyone walks away happy. But they didn’t. Not even close.
There were at least three decades Jerry and Joe didn’t see a dime from profits their creation was raking it in for DC Comics, and it was only because Warners felt the box office returns would be threatened by all the bad publicity concerning Jerry and Joe getting screwed over that they offered a pension of $20k a year to each. $20K a year to the creators of the most iconic character in comics?!! Even back then it was laughable.
Comic book fans will not suffer, by the way. There are over 70 years worth of stories, most of which have not been read by today’s readers. There have been times when DC actually considered pulling the plug on Superman and Batman and simply go reprint because of this vast library, of which there will always be an audience for. After all, a good story is a good story, and there are many to keep audiences unborn entertained for generations.
One of the reasons DC can’t go this route is Wonder Woman. If they were to stop publishing the book tomorrow, the rights would automatically revert to the estate of the creator.
And no, I’m not MT’s assistant, but I have worked in the comic book industry, so I’ve had a first hand look at how all this works.
For those of you that talk just because they can here is what I know about Siegel & Shuster being well treated by DC:
1-Wayyyyy back in the 40′s when DC saw what a profitable character
Superman was (Comics,radio show hundreds and hundreds of
promotions,etc…)they one day decided to issued Siegel &
Shuster their monthly cheque BUT said that IF they (S & S)did
not sold them the rights to Superman they will NOT get paid,
will never again work for DC and DC would make sure that NOBODY
would EVER hire them again so they did sold their rights.
2-I just can’t be sure if it was Siegel OR Shuster but in the 70′
s somebody saw what he thought was a bum in the lobby of DC.They
sended somebody there to take care of said bum and came face to
face with one of them 2 guys.They gave him some money (I think it
was 100$ or so)for him to buy better clothes and asked him NOT
to come back.
3-In the seventies Neal Adams was God as far as comics were
concerned.He had perceived power like nobody else in the
comic business and heard of Siegel and Shuster living miserably
(Shuster was not working anymore being almost totally blind
and the other one was working in an hotel as a groom or
something like that).Neal asked DC if they could (S & S)be
treated better and when DC gave their answer Neal and some
friends decided to talk of the situation in the press.And
magically DC decided to give some sort of compensation to
Superman’s creators.In 1975 after news reports of their pauper-like existences, Warner Communications gave Siegel and Shuster lifetime pensions of $20,000 per year and health care benefits.
Wow! Talk about big royalty checks!!!! LOL
4- Oh for those of you saying they should have sued before let me tell you that Siegel & Shuster began trying to win back Superman AND Superboy rights as far back as 1947!!!! So check a bit you facts before saying someting that might make you look like idiots!
Neal,hero of Comics Creator’s Rights come here to once more save the day(And bring those 70′s notes with you will you!?!?!)!!!!
According to some of the sources I’ve read, S&S were paid close to $100K a year in 1946 (which would be considerably more now, taking inflation into account–and $100K a year isn’t something to sneeze at even now) for their work when they decided to sue DC for a greater share of the profits. They eventually settled out of court for $200K in 1948 after spending most, if not all, of their money on legal fees. During the lawsuit, DC fired them–but then, why would a company keep on the payroll employees who were suing that company?
The fact that S&S were fired only after they’d already filed suit and were in the midst of the 1946-48 legal battle suggests that S&S may have shot themselves in the foot. While this doesn’t mean that DC’s treatment of S&S in succeeding decades wasn’t ethically questionable, at least from what I’ve read I can’t see where their behavior was illegal.
When S&S sold the rights to DC back in ’38 NO ONE had any idea how big the Superman franchise would become. DC did not knowingling buy a “Rolex” while leading S&S to believe it was a “Timex.” No one could have predicted the level of success Superman would achieve. We all hate selling something then learning it was worth more than we charged, but that doesn’t give us the right to go back and renegotiate a finalized sale.
A copy of Action Comics #1 recently sold for over $1,000,000. DC sold that comic for just ten cents. Is Warner entitled to a cut of that transaction?
No. They sold the book for a dime. What the purchaser did with the merchandise afterward is his business alone.
And what DC has done with Superman after Siegal and Shuster sold him to them is the publishers business alone, as well.
Yes, it’s harsh. Yes, it sucks. No, it’s not fair. But that’s life. Take a lesson and move on.
At this point, I’m waiting for Toberoff to convince the Siegel and Shuster estates to file suit against the recent sellers of Action Comics #1–and, for that matter, all comic book shops and everyone else selling back issues. Never mind, of course, that resale of books and periodicals is protected under the law; it’s about being “fair”–not to the people who actually created the work, just to the people who were somehow associated with the original creators.
Even if the Siegel and Shuster estate regain full copyrights in 2013, DC will still own the trademarks, international copyrights, and all work after Action Comics #1. They are still paying Jerry Siegel’s wife and Joe Shuster’s sister annual pensions. On the comics side, the estates have to license Superman to DC in order to continue publishing the character. It would be a problem if they try to license Superman to another comics publisher because they can’t use the Superman name. Names can only be trademarked, not copyrighted.
Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster tried many, many times to get a bigger slice of the Superman pie. Shuster died penniless. I don’t like this lawyer’s tactics, but the Siegel and Shuster heirs deserve to own Superman. Gene Roddenberry had a deal with Paramount that they co-owned Star Trek and neither could use the property without the other. That contract didn’t include heirs and upon Roddenberry’s death Paramount became sole owners of Star Trek. There should be some agreement like that here. Warners can’t do anything without the heirs, but they shouldn’t be able to peddle Superman to Dark Horse or (God forbid) Marvel either. The important thing here is that Superman, in his current form, be allowed to flourish through the ages. Please, don’t take away my Superman. I’ll have no reason to live if you do.
If the rights to Superman will be awarded to the highest bidder…maybe Disney will be interested. Disney owns Marvel Comics. Arguably, Superman is the center of the DC Universe. Imagine Superman as part of the Marvel Universe. Imagine the DC Universe without Superman! Lots of stories would have to be retconned! This is getting interesting!
I’m all for the creators getting their fair share, but they didn’t create the superman we all know now. DC has put millions of dollars and decades of work into the superman of today. Why is everyone so against DC? if not for them superman wouldn’t fly or have any of the eyeball powers, none of the villains he battles would be around. neither would jimmy or perry or most of the supporting cast superman pals around with.
The only reason this lawsuit has gotten to where it is, is because marc toberoff is trying hard to swindle the creators heirs out of the fortune they are due! he currently holds 47.5% of the ownership where the shusters heirs have 25% and the siegel heirs at 27.5%, everyone should do a little more looking into the actual court case before spewing their garbage out about a corporation that without we wouldn’t have superman to even enjoy.
One thing i will agree with is superman belongs at DC. marvel would ruin him.
For those who predicta Warners win here, I wouldn’t underestimate Marc Toberoff. Whatever you think of him personally, he is a capable lawyer who knows what he can do. Over a decade ago, he found his niche – taking up the cause of writers and authors who had no idea how to fight corporate entities – and he succeeded with a level of tenacity no one had seen before. He’s indeed the little guy battling for the little guys, and he’s relentless. To beat him, Warners is going to have to understand the legal side and defend their rights with the same level of tenacity. But, never, never underestimate, Marc Toberoff. I did and I nearly lost a property of mine. We made a deal, he got his money, and we moved forward. But I swore I would never get into a battle with him again – and, luckily I haven’t.