Ray Richmond is contributing to Deadline’s 2010 Emmy coverage:
It’s an anxious annual guessing game – the vetting of producers for the outstanding series Primetime Emmy Award nominees. Now it’s nearly complete inside the Academy of TV Arts & Sciences, with those who are ruled ineligible notified sometime this week. The Academy has aggressively cracked down on the producer lists submitted by nominated series contenders since about 2000, with the joint goals of weeding out the undeserving and capping the producing team’s size. Though there appears to have been a certain moderating of its stance by the Academy over the past couple of years.
Previously, the caps on the number of individual producers who can be nominated for a comedy series (11) and drama series (10) were viewed throughout the industry as arbitrary and punitive. This year, the program producer maximums are based, according to the 2010 Primetime Emmy Rules and Procedures, on “the average team size of eligible producers in the category over a prior five-year period.” But that still seems too random.
A catalyst in diminishing the TV Academy’s producer-vetting zeal can be traced to 2007 when 30 Rock writer/co-executive producers David Finkel and Brett Baer, and The Office writer-producer-costar Mindy Kaling, were bounced from the producer rosters for Emmy eligibility in the comedy category. Vigorous appeals resulted in the reinstatement of all three that year. But accusations of an Emmy bias against writer-producers underscored the difficulty that dogs the Academy when assessing the duties of hybrids in particular.
At the time, John Leverence, the TV Academy’s SVP of awards, said that the initial exclusion of Kaling could be traced to “a situation in which [her duties] in three separate categories gave the committee pause. A red flag went up.” But the industry-wide animosity in 2007 appeared to spur something of a reevaluation, Leverence acknowledged to me recently. “The fact writer-producers wear dual hats on a series has made determining their eligibility particularly difficult,” he said. “When you’ve got someone with hybrid duties, their function on a show tends to require greater clarification. And it was decided that further discussions would be helpful.”
For instance, the TV Academy received angry calls from some Emmy-eligible writers and producers a few years ago after an email went out that the Producers Guild Of America was going to be working with the TV Academy to determine who should be considered a producer in the Best Show category. Along with this notification was included the PGA’s “Rules and Procedures”. Here’s why one supervising producer complained: “By PGA standards, approving call sheets, series amort budgets, and production reports are all crucial parts of being a producer. However, it says, ‘contributions to the story and script are considered duties discharged as a writer, and shall not be counted towards the individuals producorial duties if the individual receives writing credit.’ So, according to the PGA, when a co-executive producer/writer goes to a wardrobe meeting, casting session, or on set during production, that’s not producing. Never mind that for a non-writing producer to attend the same meeting… Well, yeah, then that’s what they consider producing. Which is fine if they want to stick with their own awards. But their standards absolutely shouldn’t be applied to the Emmys.
“Nowhere in the PGA guidelines does it mention breaking stories, developing character arcs or rewriting scripts as part of what goes on when you produce a television series. The day-in, day-out work of what TV writers do, what keeps us up late, away from our families, and what, in many cases, makes TV so damn good, doesn’t matter to the PGA. Writers flock to TV because TV empowers writers. We call the shots on what a show is, who’s in it, and what the final product is. Obviously this applies to showrunners, but it also applies to the producer-ing writers who support those showrunners.”
The TV Academy responded to the complaints with assurances that it would use the PGA as an “information gathering resource only”.
Now, the Academy’s 2010 program award producer eligibility guidelines decree that in comedy and drama series, “full time executive producers who have final creative authority over the writing process on at least 50% of the eligible episodes and writer-producers who perform verifiable producing services on multiple episodes may be eligible.”
Leverence stresses that, over the past year, there has been a “generalized embrace” from the Academy of the writer-producer’s role with regard to comedy and drama series in particular. The dialogue that’s been conducted between ATAS members and showrunners over the past numbers of years “has finally resulted in white smoke coming up at the PGA and WGA and the Academy during the last year. And it points to the fact there’s an understanding of the general eligibility of writer-producers.”
Does that mean there won’t be any writer-producers on the ineligible list this week? “I can’t say that for certain,” Leverence concedes, “but I can tell you there is a general embrace that’s been agreed upon and established, in a way that hadn’t been clarified for writer-producers previously.”


To be honest, in all they years that I have followed the Comedy Series Emmy Awards, it never once occurred to me that the producers nominated for Drama/Comedy/Variety Series weren’t actual writers on the show. I always assumed that it was a creative award for those that hadn’t been singled out in the individual writing categories and for the overall quality of the show.
Guess I was wrong.
We’re having the wrong debate here. The issue isn’t about writer/producers. The issue is about network executives taking Executive Producing credits on shows and then getting nominated for Emmys. Only a few years ago, this never happened. According to the PGA standard of what constitutes a producer, it’s somebody who’s “on set” every day. Well how can they be on set every day if the show is shooting in LA or Vancouver and the “Executive Producer” is in New York? A weekly phone call now constitutes being a producer? The PGA should seriously start taking a look at this. Hundreds of “real” producers are being edged out of awards and recognition because network executives with cushy jobs, annual bonuses, insurance benefits and 401K plans want a trophy for their corner office. Unfair, I say! PRODUCERS UNITE!!!! (real ones, please!)
You are correct about network/studio execs that get producer credits. How did Ben Silverman produce The Office while he was also the President of NBC??? Let’s also not forget the agents and managers that get producer credits.
As to the writers, there’s no doubt that they play a key part of creating the production. My issue is that they now think that the writer services they provide are also producing services. Clearly there are many writers that are producers too…..but most are not. Giving some notes and being involved in some meetings for the episodes they wrote does not make them a producer on the series. And generally the showrunner is the final say anyway, so these “writer-producers” are only really minding the store while the showrunner is too busy to be sitting on the set all day.
The PGA should have more say over Emmy nominations. They truly know which “producer” is really doing the work.
In response to TVguy, the PGA clearly doesn’t know which “producer” is really doing the work, because every year after the vetting process (which the PGA supports) it seems that it is only writer-producers who are left off the eligible list and never the network and studio execs and all the managers with their bullshit executive producer credits.
It is a joke. How about a new rule. If the show you have a credit on is not your main job, you should not be allowed to have a Best Series nomination. Free up the spots to the people who are really doing the day-to-day work.
It should be simple. Writer’s are writers. They should not be included in the Producer’s credits. They do one job, and one job only. They write.
Producing awards should go to those who are involved in the day to day operation of a series. There needs to be a redefining of what a Producer is and does. It is far too easy for someone to get a producing credit when they actually have nothing to really do with the series. Time for this to change.
Frenchjr25, TV doesn’t work that way. Writers produce all the time. IT is part of their job. For the Academy to create a witch hunt and decide on their own who produces inside a show is inappropriate and stepping over the boundaries. Very “Big Brother.”
This is not about weeding out managers/agents who are producers this is an attack from the Academy against writers period.
The producing branch are made of many line producers who wouldn’t have jobs to do if writers/creators didn’t write and produce the scripts. A line producer cannot make creative decisions. The Writer/Producer does that. Yet line producers want enforce this.
This began with the Producers Guild trying to vet movie producing credit and now the TV Academy is trying to apply it to writers because they don’t like them, resent them, don’t understand what they do.
John Shaffner, John Leverence, Alan Parris, Kevin Hamburger, Stacey Luchs are openly anti-writer.
John Leverence has made it openly known that he wants writer/producers off that award. Off the show, period.
It is an ugly situation at the Academy. Last year they wanted writers awards off the show. Then they came up with “time sharing” to edit and reduce the writers presence in the creative process.
John Shaffner and the executive committee he has put in place want to get writers and writer producers off the prime time show.
In the Academy there are no writers on the executive committee only who is appointed from the inside.
The voting structure with the lower level Governors is set up like the Senate so writing (although it is one of the largest branches) has only two votes.
If Ray Richmond wants to do a valid piece of reporting he must speak with Bryce Zabel (former TV Academy President and writer), Patric Verrone (former WGA president) and John Welles and the current showrunners like Carol Mendohlson, David Shore, Damon and Carlton, Tina Fey… don’t listen to the TV Academy. They are full of lies.
Read the Emmy rules on producer eligibility. They favor writers/producers but they must be producers on the “series” not just a couple of episodes.
Also, maybe Ray Richmond should ask the current show runners why none of the hundreds of “producers” involved in tv are active at the TV academy? Why beat up the academy every year and try to participate and change things. Maybe because they are in the writers peer group?
Well clearly you know what you’re talking about. I’m a staff writer on a show… not even one of the writer/producers in question. Yet I just came out of an editing session. Yesterday I was the writer on set. I’ve been involved in casting, production meetings, location scouts… etc etc. Writers don’t necessarily just write.
Clearly, frenchjr25 has no series experience or is a manager/producer. He/she is just insultingly wrong. Typically, writers, especially at the Co-EP level and above, do in fact, produce the show. In addition to their services in the room, writing scripts, they’re also on the floor seeing to it that the show runs smoothly… The daily grind, in addition to duties as “just writers”, includes dealing with actors, conferring with the directors, addressing production issues, sitting with editors, noting cuts, etc.. That would all seem to fall under the category of “producer”.
Would you say that all these managers, who tie themselves to shows but have no actual hand in production beyond their name, deserve to be called “producer”? Despite the fact that they do nothing but show up every few months to watch their clients, eat cake and hold court? I’ve been on shows where there are people credited as Executive Producer, but whom I’ve never ever met.
The perception that writers just “write” is insulting to all of us who bust our asses, staying at work til the sun comes up looooong after writing is done.
Frenchjr25 – Hmm. Interesting. You seem to have absolutely no knowledge of how television gets made. None whatsoever. First of all, there are two types of “writers” on a tv series. There are writers (ie. freelance, staff writer, story editor, exec story editor) and then there are “writer-producers” (co-producer, producer, supervising producer, co-exec producer, exec producer). “Writers” are never eligible for producing awards. Writer producers are. Because they actually produce the series day to day. They make every single creative decision. Who gets cast. Who gets hired to direct. What the script is. What the wardrobe and sets and locations look like (in other words, they get final approval of this, which is a producer’s job). They’re in the editing room after the director is done, assembling the final cut. In other words, they do the job of the producer AND the director of a feature film. That’s why they are called writer-producers. They are also writers because in TV, the pace of the enterprise means that everything – everything – is tied to the production of scripts on a timely basis. It’s different than movies. Now, the fact that network executives or executives of non-writing producing companies also get “producer” credits when they may not be rendering actual producing services… that’s a different story.
To address WOW’s comment above….
In referring to writer/producers you write that “They make every single creative decision.” If that’s the case then how is it that shows have 8, 10 sometimes 15 writer/producers? Are they all making every creative decision?
So, of course the statement makes no sense. In reality, there is only one person that makes the decisions. When he/she isn’t available their writer/producers merely represent the show runner and tell everyone what the show runner really wants. The show runners (and the line producers) are the only true producers on a show. Everyone else is subordinate to the show runner and just “making decisions” on the show runners behalf.
There should really only be 2-3 people who are considered “producers” for this award:
Creator of the show
Showrunner (if not also the creator)
Line Producer
One exception might be if the Creator gets bounced from the series he/she created (which happens). Then he/she shouldn’t be eligible for the year he/she is no longer associated with the show.
Those three are the ones who steer a series throughout a season and the ones most deserving recognition for the meta-accomplishment of Best Series.
I agree with you. A team does not produce a show. The meaning of what a producer is become confused by the current generation. Writers have and should do more that writing the words on the page, but that doesn’t make them a producer too. By the way, the creator is a WGA credit. Creating a show isn’t producing a show.
You think the credits are muddy now?
Created by: credits are largely a freebie. Watch all the infighting that would occur if “Created by” was attached to such an award.
All of a sudden those non-producing executive producers would have a legitimate foothold in the production of a show by being able to claim “creation” rights.
The original commenter is correct. The big problem is network Execs being able to claim a producer credit for doing their job of filling airtime.
A big part of the problem is that the 4 producer credits do NOT reflect the role of the job which they are doing. If you say Director or Writer, most laymen understand those job roles. The role of producer is larger in scope, much more ambiguous, and becoming more ambiguous with the proliferation of superfluous credits.
There should be a credit called “SHOWRUNNER.” This credit should be tied to an award of some kind.
There can be a separate award for Network execs (Something like — The overseeing of a successful show).
This isn’t the end all be all answer, as there are still some gaping holes. But it would be a start in producer credits and awards linked to them to actually reward a person for the job they are doing.
John Leverence is like Shylock wanting his pound of flesh from writers/producers. I have a run a show and everyone on my staff not only produced their episodes but helped me produce the show in general. When you must make 22 hours of TV one line producer and a creator can’t possibly produce the series. This is a fact. What TV series has John Leverence produced and written? Has John Shaffner ever produced and written a TV show? Why are these members of the TV Academy telling us how we do our job? I would never comment on how a production designer does his job? What is the deep rooted animosity behind this?
Where is the WGA on all of this? They must be furious.
Have those who will be nominated been named yet?