A war of words broke out today between Avatar director James Cameron and producer Mark Canton over whether Weinstein Co/Dimension’s current version of Piranha 3D is a crapfest. (Cameron was hired and then fired as the director of the original 1981 Piranha Part 2). Here’s what they are saying:
Cameron told VanityFair.com while publicizing his Avatar re-release: “I tend almost never to throw other films under the bus, but [Piranha 3D] is exactly an example of what we should not be doing in 3D. Because it just cheapens the medium and reminds you of the bad 3D horror films from the ’70s and ’80s, like Friday The 13th 3D. When movies got to the bottom of the barrel of their creativity and at the last gasp of their financial lifespan, they did a 3-D version to get the last few drops of blood out of the turnip. And that’s now what’s happening now with 3D. It is a renaissance. Right now the biggest and best films are being made in 3D. Martin Scorsese is making a film in 3D [Hugo Cabret]. Disney’s biggest film of the year – Tron: Legacy — is coming out in 3D. So it’s a whole new ballgame.”
Canton issued this rebuttal via Dimension’s PR department: “As a producer in the entertainment industry, Jim Cameron’s comments on VanityFair.com are very disappointing to me and the team that made Piranha 3D. Mr. Cameron, who singles himself out to be a visionary of movie-making, seems to have a small vision regarding any motion pictures that are not his own. It is amazing that in the movie-making process – which is certainly a team sport – that Cameron consistently celebrates himself out as though he is a team of one. His comments are ridiculous, self-serving and insulting to those of us who are not caught up in serving his ego and his rhetoric.
Jim, are you kidding or what? First of all, let’s start by you accepting the fact that you were the original director of Piranha 2 and you were fired. Shame on you for thinking that genre movies and the real maestros like Roger Corman and his collaborators are any less auteur or impactful in the history of cinema than you. Martin Scorcese made Boxcar Bertha at the beginning of his career. And Francis Ford Coppola made Dimentia 13 back in 1963. And those are just a few examples of the talented and successful filmmakers whose roots are in genre films. Who are you to impugn any genre film or its creators?
Having been deeply involved, as either an executive or as a producer, on Tim Burton’s original Batman and the first Men In Black, as well as 300, and now Immortals, one of the things that has been consistent about all of the filmmakers involved in these landscape-changing global films is that, in each and every case, all of the directors were humbled by their predecessors, their colleagues and by their awareness of the great history of film that came before them. The enjoyment and the immersion of an audience in a movie theatre, as they had and will have with the above-mentioned films, and as audiences are experiencing with Piranha 3D now, comes from the originality and the vision of the filmmaker, and not just from the creation of the technology. You as much as anyone certainly knows that there are many pieces to the puzzle. Going to the movies still remains, arguably, amongst the best communal experiences that human beings can share.
My sense is that Mr. Cameron has never seen Piranha 3D… certainly not in a movie theatre with a real audience. Jim, we invite you to take that opportunity and experience the movie in a theatre full of fans - fans for whom this movie was always intended to entertain. Does Mr. Cameron have no idea of the painstaking efforts made by the talented young filmmaker Alex Aja and his team of collaborators? Clearly, and this one is a good bet, he has no clue as to how great and how much of a fun-filled experience the audiences who have seen the film in 3D have enjoyed. Those of us who have tried to stay in touch with the common movie audiences – the ones who really matter, the ones who actually still go to the theatre, put on the glasses, and eat the popcorn – take joy and pride in the fact that movies of all kinds, including Piranha 3D, have a place in filmmaking history – past, present and future. 3D unto itself is not a genre Jim, it is a tool that gives audiences an enhanced experience as they experience all kinds of movies. I believe Mr. Cameron did not see Piranha 3D either with any real audience or not at all. On opening weekend, I was in a Los Angeles theatre with a number of today’s great film makers including JJ Abrams, who actually had nothing short of the fabulous, fun 3D experience that the movie provides. I am fortunate enough to have worked on, and continue to work on, evolutionary movies in all formats from just simple good story telling, which still matters most of all, to CG movies to tent-pole size 3D movies, and genre 3D movies like Piranha 3D. What it comes down to, Jim, is – that like most things in life – size doesn’t really matter. Not everyone has the advantage of having endless amounts of money to play in their sandbox and to take ten years using other people’s money to make and market a film….like you do. Why can’t you just count your blessings?
Why do you have to drop Marty Scorsese’s or Tim Burton’s names, both gentlemen who I have personally worked with, and who have enjoyed great joy and success with movies of all genres and sizes well before the advent of modern 3D? Then as now, they were like kids in a candy store recognizing, far beyond your imagination, the possibilities of storytelling and originality. For the record, before you just totally dismiss Piranha 3D and all, in your opinion, worthless genre movies that actually undoubtedly gave you the ability to start your career, you should know that Piranha 3D had an 82% “fresh” (positive) ratting on Rotten Tomatoes on opening day - a web site that all the studios, filmmakers and the public use as a barometer of what makes a quality film.
We know that Piranha 3D has not achieved a boxoffice that is on the level of many of Mr. Cameron’s successes. To date, Piranha 3D has earned over $30 million around the globe with #1 openings in several countries. And, as the “fresh” rating on Rotten Tomatoes indicates, critics and many, many others have embraced and celebrated Piranha 3D for the fun and entertaining – and even smart – movie-going experience that it is. Let’s just keep this in mind Jim….you did not invent 3D. You were fortunate that others inspired you to take it further. The simple truth is that I had nothing but good things to say about Avatar and my own experience since I actually saw it and didn’t damn someone else’s talent publicly in order to disassociate myself from my origins in the business from which we are all very fortunate. To be honest, I found the 3D in Avatar to be inconsistent and while ground breaking in many respects, sometimes I thought it overwhelmed the storytelling. Technology aside, I wish Avatar had been more original in its storytelling.
We have to inspire, teach and mentor this next generation of filmmakers. It is garbage to suggest that any film or any filmmaker who cannot afford to work to your standards should be dissuaded from following his or her craft by not making 3D movies or not making movies like District 9, for example, which probably cost the amount of Avatar’s craft services budget, but totally rocked it in the movie theatre and in the marketplace. In that case, it was not a 3D movie. But had it been, it certainly would not have been any less original or impactful. The enormous worldwide success of Avatar has been good in all respects for you, your financiers, your distributors and the industry, as well as for the movie going public. Jim, there is a difference between Maestro which is a word that garners respect, and Dictator or Critic which are words better left for others who are not in our mutual boat or on our team. You are one of the best, it is reasonable to think that you should dig deeper and behave like it. Young directors should be inspired by you, not publicly castigated by your mean-spirited and flawed analysis.
While we are all awed by your talents and your box office successes – and I compliment you on all of them – why don’t you rethink how you address films with which you are not involved? You should be taking the high road that is being travelled by so many of your peers, and pulling with them to ensure that we, as an industry, will have a continuum of talented filmmakers that will deliver a myriad of motion pictures both big and small, with 3D or any other technologies yet to come that will entertain audiences throughout the world. That is the challenge that we face. That is the future that we should deliver. Please go see Piranha in a theater near you.”





I understand what mark is saying, but he is going off defending a movie where a Piranha burps up Jerry o’connell’s cock in 3d…. Not like it gone with the wind!!!
Wait did Mark Canton just lecture Jim Cameron? Isn’t that like Adam Morrison lecturing Kobe Bryant? Why don’t we use this space to discuss some Canton gems like Red Planet, Get Carter, Angel Eyes, Jack Frost, Trapped, God Send, Taking Lives, etc. The list of crap this guy has “produced” is stunning and really makes you wish there was some kind of license they could revoke to keep him from making shit movies, oh, and to keep him from opening his mouth as well. Please Canton it’s time for you to go away.
more like jerry mcguire, as good as it gets, men in black & my best friend’s wedding–all released in the span of one year.
Enjoyed the slapstick stupidity well produced in Piranha 3-D, but the 3-D sucked. The movie was fun despite the fact that the 3-D sucked.
Again, the 3-D sucked. It sucked. Stop doing that 2-D to 3-D conversion crap.
It sucked.
The 3-D. It was Bulge-D, not 3-D. (By the way, it sucked. The 3-D, that is.)
There’s nothing inherently _wrong_ with conversion. Like anything else in VFX, it can be done well, or badly. But well generally costs $$$, and this is TWC we’re talking about.
The 3d conversion looked light years ahead of Clash of the Titans and The Last Airbender, so I give them props for that!
All that writing, my goodness. After this letter, he should focus on writing the next great American movie. Something like The Shawshank Redemption meets Pulp Fiction or The Lion King meets Beetlejuice. CYNERGY!!
I have to side with Cameron as well here. The Canton reply is kind of unintentionally funny. Cameron is just speaking for a lot of us movie-goers who want to see more spectacle tentpoles in 3D but don’t want to see every crappy genre picture that comes down the pike rendered in low-budget 3D just to add bucks to the take. Warner Bros should apologize for Clash of the Titans and Shymalan should apologize for Airbender. Cameron didn’t “throw anyone under the bus.” He spoke out for those of us who are annoyed with disingenuous use of the technology.
I agree. It’s about the consumer choosing to see 3D films that are worth seeing, and when they’re quality, they should have no problem making money from them. All Cameron has to say in retort is: my film made nearly 3 billion dollars worldwide, and your film made…well…18 million worldwide.
Oh my god, clearly this idiot has no concept of the word succinct! What an eye-rolling response.
Well, I see what’s going on here. I’ve found myself in the middle of a good old-fashioned catfight!
Someone’s on the yam yam…
Cameron, Cameron, Cameron————SHUT UP, you prick.
So many people hate that guy, and yet he keeps pushing it. Pathetic.
In these current economic times, no one should be bad-mouthing anyone, but good ole Mark does have a point. He has read two of my specs and his feedback was nothing short of inspirational. The man is a genius with impeccable taste.
Thank you.
Okay.
It WAS shot in 3-D. It was not a conversion. It was greenlit at a 3-D film
-RnsW
It was not 3D. It was post converted. The director even said so himself.
Gee, I’ve seen a lot of really good reviews for Piranha 3D. I wonder if Cameron has seen it? His comments sound like a hissy fit to me. What’s wrong with cheap? As Dolly Parton famously says, “It costs a lot of money to look this cheap.”
It’s about time James Cameron got off his high horse. He’s acting like the 3D police when he has no right to be. He didn’t invent 3D and the 3D in Avatar was far from flawless. Canton is right on the money when he talked about Cameron’s genre roots. Cameron worked on all kinds of awful low budget flicks under Roger Corman, he was fired from Pirahna 2, and now he’s trashing Pirahna 3D like he’s never had any kind of an association with those kinds of movies. Canton wins this battle hands down.
I haven’t seen Piranha 3D, but I can’t imagine it’s any worse than Avatar. Possibly the most overrated film since, well, Titanic.
Contrary to Mr. Cameron’s high falutin’ tude, I thought “Piranha 3D” used the gimmick of 3D, yes that’s what it is so far, a gimmick, to great effect. Naked boobs, projectile vomit, partially chewed “Stand By Me” guy’s penis, all like I could reach out and touch them!! Crap? Absolutely! Fun, enjoyable, laugh out loud crap? Definitely! I had a blast and so did the large crowd I saw it with in Hollywood. I think Mr. Canton’s admittedly long winded point to Mr. Cameron is, aren’t you satisfied with your accomplishments and profits from the 2 highest grossing films in cinema history? Is success finite? Is it really necessary for you and your 3D, 6.1 Dolby Surround Sound ego to piss on other film makers? I would argue that that is far more detrimental to the film industry than someone using 3D in a manner that doesn’t jibe with your 3D as high art tastes. Loved “Avatar” by the way, saw it twice at the Cinerama Dome. Took my 77 year old mother so she could see how far film technology has come, but didn’t need to bad mouth any other films by comparison for her to be wowed by yours. Way to stick your foot in your mouth Jimbo, your undeniable talents as a visionary artist once again have been thrown out of focus by your “King of the World” sized mouth!
Canton is my new hero!!! I thought Piranha 3D was a blast!!! Hilarious with some great scares!!
Avatar was crap. So, why is he the authority?
Cameron made Avatar. Big deal. What a waste of a ticket price. Did some one forget you *need a story*? Not trite recycling.
There was more 3d in the 2D premiere of Terminator: The Sarah Cannor Chronicles than there was in Avatar.
I have always been a loyal Cameron fan throughout the years — but AVATAR’s plot, nor the 3D affects, were anything I was dazzled by. Saying “only the best films” are being made in 3D means Cameron has set the bar VERY LOW.
That’s not what he means at all. What he’s saying is we should be getting back to the idea of 3D being synonymous with quality cinema, not shitty schlocky crap that sets back the industry and tech 30 years.
I can’t remember a time when 3D was ever synonymous with quality cinema…
Yep. Never.
As a glasses wearer, and a fucking nerd, all 3D sucks until they can do it without glasses. Whats the point of sitting in a dark theater watching a dark movie?
Original 3D of the fifties was superior because they had two projectors running in synch. The image was brighter because of this but the technique only lasted about two years until the public tired of it. Alfred Hitchcock filmed DIAL M FOR MURDER at toward the end of that period and it may be that 3D will have another short life after the public tires of the technique at the expense of story. It’s hard to imagine any of history’s great films being better in 3D.
Right on about glass wearing folks…I agree! Until WE ALL can see it without glasses it all bites. So suck it Cameron; and give your wife some money to get her hair done for the next award season!
Good on Mark for not putting up with Cameron and his ego bullying their movie. Now I readily acknowledge that Piranha 3D is not high art and the 3D was fairly poor. However, Avatar was a pretty pathetic movie with a bad, ripped-off story (With serious plot holes and hand-waves) which would not have been significant had it not been shot in 3D. 3D is not, despite Mr. Cameron’s wishes, an artform in and of itself, it’s a gimmick. How is him making crap movies but for massive budgets with tonnes of shiny any better than making a moderately budgeted popcorn flick and adding the 3D gimmick? At least the makers of Piranha 3D would probably cop to the fact it’s not high art – Cameron still thinks the story of Avatar was worth caring about.
Mark Canton and Jeffery Katzenberg should have puppies!
GO CANTON! CAMERON SUCKS AND HIS EGO IS TOO BIG FOR HIS OWN GOOD. HE MADE A MOVIE W BIG BLUE PPL…WHAT’S SO SPECIAL ABT THAT? THE STORY WAS UNORIGINAL AND THE ACTING PATHETIC OTHER THAN SIGOURNEY WEAVER WHO ALWAYS DOES NO WRONG.
KEEP EM COMING CANTON…YOU’LL BE AROUND MAKING MOVIES FOR A LOT LONGER THAN THAT NASTY OLD MAN MR CAMERON.
Dear Mr. Cameron,
I saw Jackass in 3D and it was the most fun I have had in a theater in years. While I did enjoy Avatar very much, Jackass was more enjoyable.
So if you were in control of all things 3D, you would have denied my most enjoyable film experience of the year.
….and speaking of “trying to get the last few drops of blood out of the turnip”, you just re-released your film for an extra 9 minutes.
Gimme a break.
Henry – you don’t have to say you enjoyed Avatar. Let the truth out of the closet. It sucked!!!!! It’s okay Henry. You don’t need to be a lemming. You will still be cool in the morning.
Thank you.
All those words to defend Piranha 3D? Really? Take your producing fee and shut up, man, no one cares to hear you defend a movie that has no other raison d’etre than making a buck.
Who knew killer fish would ignite the war of the words,
but I must say kudos to Canton for validating his worth.
Now it’s plain and simple why Avatar did not walk
away with the top Oscars that night.
Loved avatar special edition! Loved Piranha 3D!
Note to Cameron, humble is the new fierce
say goodbye to ego!