
I know everyone (including my new Deadline colleague Mike Fleming who will be reporting on the ground there for us) is winging their way to Toronto right now to see a bunch of Oscar hopefuls that I already saw in Cannes, Telluride or oh-so-cool private L.A. screenings (more on THOSE flicks as the fest unveils them). But I am also focused on checking out some contenders NOT on display in Canada. That’s exactly what I did yesterday in the not-as-exciting clime of Burbank. I came away feeling I’d found another strong entry in what is becoming a very strong awards season race for ‘toons.
That’s right. Wednesday Disney did something studios never do unless they know they have the goods. They flew in several members of the press–mostly those who cover animation for outlets with long lead times–to see the first ever screening of the big Thanksgiving holiday release Tangled. The musical weaves a new take on the Rapunzel fairy tale, in what represents Disney’s milestone 50th animated feature since Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs in 1937. John Lasseter told the gathered press, “You can feel the pride people in this studio have in Tangled. We just couldn’t wait for people to see it.”
It’s looking like there will again be five nominees for Best Animated Feature this year. Based the deservedly enthusiastic press response to the work-in-progress print shown yesterday, Tangled could easily be among them. As will Disney/Pixar’s Toy Story 3, which remains the 800 pound gorilla in the race. Dreamworks is already aggressively campaigning for How To Train Your Dragon.
Tangled had to be shown in very rough form since only about 60% of the animation has been completed. The 3D isn’t ready, and composer Alan Menken’s score isn’t in place yet although the songs are. Producer Roy Conli said they expect to have the finished print in a couple of months. It was an all day event. Several artists explained different aspects of the production, extensive tours of the Disney animation building , and a large lobby transformed into an elaborate forest setting where press were encouraged to join in the “forest fun” with a turkey leg toss, frying pan ping pong and photo opportunities, among other things. Ya gotta love Disney, right?
Rapunzel is an idea that has been floating around apparently since the days of Walt but due to its hair raising nature has never been really possible to crack until sophisticated CGI technology made it easier to place those 100,000 pieces of follicles atop this latest Disney princesses’ head. The movie itself is also an attempt to revive the 80’s and 90’s heyday of big Disney animated musicals like Beauty And The Beast, Aladdin, The Little Mermaid and Pocahontas, with scores and songs from Alan Menken who won a whopping 8 Academy Awards for that quartet and performs similar duties here with his collaborator Glenn Slater. Tangled’s directing duo Nathan Greno and Byron Howard (Bolt) actually look at it a little differently than those hits. “This is not a big Broadway kind of musical. We look at it as more in touch with classic Disney films of the 50’s where music is a key element in the storytelling,” Greno told me when I sat down with the talented team late in the marathon day. “It has that classic 40’s and 50’s Disney kind of feel but at the same time we’re making these movies for a contemporary audience. It’s great to acknowledge our roots while being non-traditional but not cynical,” Howard added.
For his part, Menken doesn’t mind the comparison to his earlier works at the studio that brought him all that Oscar gold but notes it differs because it really is the first CGI-3D animated musical. Last holiday season Disney tried a more traditionally animated 2D musical ‘toon written by Randy Newman. “As good as it was, The Princess And The Frog underperformed, so the jury’s out. My hope is that Tangled will go through the roof, not just selfishly for me but for the form,” Menken told me.
Menken says he tried to put a medieval flavor to the new songs mixing in influences like Joni Mitchell, Cat Stevens and 60’s folk rock although Donna Murphy who voices the evil Mother Gothel has a flat-out standout Broadway-style number called “Mother Knows Best”. Mandy Moore is the voice of Rapunzel. Eventually there will also be an added end title rock-style song , a “sore point” for Menken who didn’t write it. Menken feels the song with the best shot for another Oscar nomination is “I See The Light” which highlights the remarkable lantern sequence in the movie. “I was nominated for three songs on Enchanted (2007) which is probably why we didn’t win (Once‘s Falling Slowly was the victor). I would be happy to just have one,” he says.
Actually, it’s obvious Menken’s winning ways were responsible for rule changes from the Academy’s music branch that make ineligible the kind of musical scores for which the composer regularly won Oscars. Only Alfred Newman’s 9 statuettes surpasses Menken, and a Tangled win this year would tie him. But his fellow musicians are not making it as easy as it once was. “Now they have made it so a score from an animated musical cannot be validated as best score in any way, not even underscore. I understand that songs do make a score jump out at you in a way underscores can’t compete, but I don’t agree with that. If there were more musicals we could have a Best Musical category but there just aren’t enough,” he says.
The Academy also tweaked the rules after Dreamgirls and Enchanted each scored three song nominations in successive years. Now it allows only two to be named from a given movie. Last year, they didn’t even perform the nominated tunes on the show. What’s an 8- time Oscar winner to do with all this meddling? “For me the Oscars are a little strange because it’s really about actors anyway, those familiar faces,” he says. “ All that attention is really about big glamour. But I’m just happy to be part of the evening and walk away with my Oscar or two.”
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We all know they’re just gonna give it to Pixar even though HTTYD is arguably still the best movie to come out so far this year animated or not.
What about that owl flick though? Looks pretty awesome
Dragon arguably the best? Hardly. I liked it, a good film that took some bolt chances for a family film, but as good as Toy Story 3??? I don’t think so, and most of the Academy won’t either.
TS3 really doesn’t stand on its own though. Being a sequel it really relies too much on it’s previous two iterations of the main characters. Would I really be able to understand the dynamic between Woody and Buz without the first two TS? Not really. Don’t get me wrong TS3 is really good but my vote is for HTTYD, it stands on it’s own.
Without question TS3 and HTTYD will be nominated.
What surprises me about this dialogue is no mention of Despicable Me.
It was well done, clever, had great characters (the girls were wonderful), and based upon the audience response of kids and adults…it was really well received.
The domestic gross is almost 250 million, and if it follows the same pattern as other animated films, it should gross even more globally.
And, although this doesn’t really count, Despicable Me cost 69 million to make while HTTYD and TS3 cost two to three times more.
Why is Despicable not a part of this conversation?
Really? From everything I’ve seen this looks horrible.
To John:
Thats because Marketing hasnt shown ANYTHING of significance yet.
So little of the actual movie
Actually “Falling Slowly” took the Oscar for Best Original Song that year, by Glen Hansard and Markéta Irglová from Once.
Once’s win is acknowledged in the story, so I’m not sure what you’re getting at.
they had it wrong in the original article. It was changed after the poster pointed out the mistake.
Nice photos!
Agreed with Teddy on HTTYD. It’ll be almost a given that Pixar will win Animated Feature because it’s Pixar. As good as TOY STORY 3 was, it didn’t feel genuine. It didn’t move me just on its own merits. It tried way too hard to be Something, and that took me out of it. DRAGON was one of the closest things to a perfect movie I’ve seen in a long time, and it did so without trying to force being about Something down my throat. It just wanted to tell an entertaining story with compelling drama, creative storytelling and sharp humor. If there was any justice for this awards season, DRAGON would get its fair credit.
I’m sorry, an assertion that How To Train Your Dragon is the best animated film this year is absurd. Visually, it was wonderful and it was charming enough, but the characters and story didn’t have anywhere near the same substance or consequence as Toy Story 3, nor was it even as funny as Toy Story 3.
If Toy Story 3 doesn’t win this year, it’s a travesty.
I am with you,,,, as much as people love dragon, it is not near perfect as toy story 3 was,,,its impact was also tremendous worlwide, and people really fall in love with the STORY,,one again the Oscar must go to PIXAR
I cannot wait for this movie, but I have to more than agree with the last statement. HTTYD was definitely the best movie of the year!!!
I’m with you. HTTYD is AWESOME! When it comes to animating a character, the work on Toothless hasn’t been beat.
“Producer Roy Conli said they expect to have the finished print in a couple of months.”
Well, I would certainly hope so, since the movie opens in a couple of months…
Oh, good! I wasn’t the only one thinking that.
This movie is going to surprise alot of people, in a very good way.
It’s DreamWorks year to take home the gold with Dragons
Burbank not-as-exciting? Well…. harumph.
I had a friend who went to one of the test screenings they had a couple months ago and she said it was phenomenal.
HTTYD was a decent kids film, but not much more. Toy Story 3 was a film that didn’t necessarily NEED to be made, but it is so great on so many levels, it’s without a doubt the film to beat. The Illusionist is a one note film that doesn’t begin to rise to the level of Triplettes of Belleville. I doubt it’ll get as much traction as it’s predecessor, though.
Everything I’ve seen from Tangled looks good, although the marketing is WAAYYYY off the mark. I think this film will surprise everyone. The art direction of the film is outstanding from what’s been shown. I hope that work is recognized–it certainly is more impressive than the songs, which have standard Menken tunes, but banal lyrics. What a shame they couldn’t have gotten Stephen Schwartz back for one more film.
I disagree that TS3 was unnecessary. I think it was a great bookend to the first movie that fulfilled the cycle of life for those toys. At the end of TS2 it was like “Yay…they’re back with Andy’s family in a box…” I didn’t know that I wanted to see the end of TS3 until I saw it, and that to me is what made it amazing.
I agree that marketing is everything. There’s only so much they can even show of Tangled as yet. If you haven’t seen their parody, it’s pretty fun.
I liken the Tangled situation to that of Megamind, which I thought looked awful awful awful until I saw the extended preview which actually told us that the “Hero” dies and that Megamind has no nemesis to speak of anymore… and THAT’S the movie. Now I’m at least interested in it (sort of. can’t stand Will Ferrel as a voice actor, but that’s me).
“…a medieval flavor to the new songs mixing in influences like Joni Mitchell, Cat Stevens and 60’s folk rock.”
What? I’ve never thought of these artists as “medieval flavor”. What did I miss here?
I am looking forward to Alan Menken’s new songs however. He usually hits it out of the park.
Why ‘Tangled’? Lame title. Just call it Rapunzel. Something.
Hi. welcome to the industry.
According to their research, boys associated the title “Rapunzel” with “princess movie” and, as we all know, little boys are of the mentality that every thing girl-related is “bad,” an image which overcompensating macho-men complex fathers do nothing to hinder (not that I’m referring to every father this way because my dad certainly wasn’t but I do know of a lot of fathers who would rather watch their sons play ice hockey and be miserable than play the lead in a school musical and be happy). That’s just the way American society is. No other country felt the need to have the renamed title. What does that tell you?
So Disney exits the Annie awards because it feels something fishy is going on there but then turns around and uses dirty tricks like these to buy free publicity for Tangled/Rapunzel.
Way to go Disney, you must be so proud of yourself!
What dirty trick? I’m confused.
Flying several loudmouth members of the press in, to do your promotional work for you is a dirty trick in my book.
Not Trickery at all. They are smart for sharing a fantastic product. It says alot of the studio that they are willing to bring “loudmouth press people” in to see the film.
Ummm, you mean a standard marketing practice that every studio uses several times a year is a dirty trick? Really? You live on what planet?
So in your book, every studio is a dirty trickster?
A studio is supposed to promote its movies. The entertainment press’ job is to write about them. That you think Disney is dirty for promoting its movie to the press says more about your biases than about anything else.
Since when is the press not involved with film promotion? It’s a pretty obvious way to get promotion for any film – if it’s good enough to stand up to the viewing, pre-release. Disney must be pretty proud of it to bring in all those ‘loudmouths.’
I don’t understand why there are no shorts with these films? Pixar releases great shorts in front of their films. Disney started making shorts again a few years back, but out of four or five announced, only one, the Goofy short, has been before a film.
What gives, Lasseter???
Disney hasn’t had to do shorts in years, and if they did, it would be centered around Mickey, Minnie, Donald, Goofy, Daisy, Pluto, Chip, Dale – their classic characters, like it was in the old days. But during the “second Golden Age” (Beauty and the Beast, The Little Mermaid, The Lion King – that era), they never showed them and I honestly don’t think they’re going to start now. At least, I certainly hope not. Meaningless shorts that have nothing to do with the film are more annoying than the previews.
There will be new shorts. If you want to see a fantastic film, you will be in line at the theater come Nov. 24th. Disney is back with a hit on their hands!
Its about time. I cant wait!
Ahh, disney butters the press like they always do. This movie isn’t going to be the trend setter its 50th predecessor was. I think its time the gauntlet will be passed down to pixar before disney embarrasses themselves
Toy Story 3 was as depressing as the nightly news. How many times will Pixar tell the SAME DAMN STORY with those toys? How much more can it endanger them and shamelessly, brutally push people’s emotional buttons? Toy Story 3 is the second Pixar film I have no desire to see again – Cars being the first (booooorrrrrinnngg). And I’m a big Pixar fan. But TS3 was the limit for me. Enough angst over plastic playthings already!
As for Dragon…it had an honest emotional punch TS3 lacked, and for that reason I prefer it over TS3. If there’s any justice, Dragon will win the Oscar.
AND as for Tangled…pass. Mommies and little girls will see it, but since it’s coming across as being as overhyped as the lackluster “Princess and the Frog”, I may rent it. Maybe. Frankly, these days, if I hanker for a good Disney animated film, I’ll just watch my DVD of Pinocchio again. NOTHING Disney does nowadays even comes close to it.
noooooo you just ain’t right. i mean everyone’s got his own opinion but you’re not just saying that HTTYD was better than TS3(which is a notorious lie), you’re actually trying to say that TS3 was BAD!!!!!!! which by my opinion and moreover by the opinion of the whole world is NONSENSE.
And for the Academy, be sure that they will award the third sequel, cause its the only chance to show how they appreciate the pioniring Toy Story movie, the most important animated movie since it was made. TS3 is the Return of the King among the animated movies.
how is stating an OPINION about one movie being better than the other “a notorious lie?” i mean, i saw both movies and i liked them both. HTTYD had a unique story and a lot of the dialogue made me laugh, TS3 made me laugh too, not as much as 2, but I still enjoyed myself (Buzz’s reprogramming sequences were the best). I wouldn’t say either one deserves to win over the other. Although I disapproved of the ending of TS3 (even if I know why they had to do it if they ever came up with another idea after this) while favoring the ending of HTTYD, which was overall more upbeat (I didn’t walk out of the theatre feeling angst-y like I did with TS3). Basically, the point I wanted to make before I ventured off track is everyone has their own opinion. They’re not stating it as fact, so it’s not a lie.
To tell you the truth, I heard of how the story of Disney’s, “Rapunzel (Tangled),” goes according to spoilers, even though I did not see the actual movie myself, but I believe that it will be a great movie, even if Disney did change the name to get the boys to see it. Also, from the looks of how the story goes, it is hard to tell if it is too girlish, too boyish, or even. That depends when the audience sees it. But like I said, it will be a good movie. By the way, I saw, “How to Train Your Dragon,” and it is a good movie, and it has been directed by Disney’s ex-director since Disney’s, “Lilo and Stitch,” Chris Sanders. The directors of Disney’s, “Rapunzel (Tangled),” did a pretty good job, and I must say, they are really hard working, like John Lasseter.
I agree that HTTYD was an entertaining film and is a worthy competitor in the animated film category. I think it has more re-watchability than TS3, but both have interesting things to say.
Rofl, I’ll say! I saw it 9 times in the theaters and wouldnt have heasitated to see it more, but I probably already spent too much money. I loved TS3, it was funny, adorable, and touching, but HTTYD was just so much better for me. It had an element that TS3 lacked, which is all right! Because I see them as two different entities in story plot and theme. I do love Disney/Pixar though, and its weird to say, being a Disney freak like myself, but I REALLY hope HTTYD wins the ocscar this year!
I’ve been bitter since Ratatouille beat Meet The Robinsons. There was no comparison.
Yes, Ratatouille was cohesive.
I can’t wait to watch this film! I will definitely be in line waiting after what nearly 5 years or so of the buzz and changes about this movie! Can’t wait!!!!!
I know that Tangled is going to be a hit because the last week when I was at a movie the three little girls who were ahead of me in the ticket line could not keep their eyes off the trailer that was screening in the lobby, and stood there laughing the whole time.
Toy Story 3 is vitrually guaranteed a spot in the 10 Oscar Best Pic nominees, which cinches its win in the animation category.
The Academy will NOT, I repeat, WILL NOT, miss the ONLY OPPORTUNITY they will have of voting Toy Story 3 for an Oscar win. This will be the Return of the King of animated films. They will reward Toy Story 3 which is pretty much a way of honoring the entire trilogy. Pixar has nothing to apologize for. Toy Story 3 is great on its own, and it just so happens it has 2 beloved predecessors that are helping it in the grand scheme of things.
The only hope for others was for Toy Story 3 to suck, but tough, it sure as hell didn’t.