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UPDATE: Hollywood can most likely expect a quick and easy negotiation when the Screen Actors Guild joins with AFTRA to negotiate with the studios and networks starting Monday. It also looks more than likely that SAG will merge with AFTRA soon. That’s because the so-called pro-moderation and pro-merger SAG National Majority — consisting of Unite For Strength (U4S) based in Hollywood and the United Screen Actors Nationwide (USAN) consisting of the NY Division and Regional reps — today strengthened its grip over the big actors union. Usually, those SAG candidates who are also well-known actors fare better in these guild elections. But today’s election results show that rival faction Membership First lost all 13 of its open seats on the 71-member national board, including such well-known incumbents as controversial ex-SAG president Alan Rosenberg, Nancy Sinatra, Valerie Harper, Frances Fisher, and Esai Morales. (Harper and Morales are Alternates.)
So, at least among the small percentage of SAG’s 125,000 membership that actually sent in ballots (less than in recent years), this was a clear repudiation of Membership First’s years of pursuing a hardball negotiating strategy against the AMPTP and a hardline stand against SAG merging with AFTRA.
Now U4S, which came to power just 2 years ago, and its national majority coalition have extended their margin of control over SAG’s policy-setting National Board to about 80% of the votes. UFS will also assume control of the Guild’s Hollywood Division Board, with 75% of the votes. Its better-known winning candidates included Ron Perlman, Gabrielle Carteris, Jeff Garlin, Michael O’Keefe for 3-year terms, and DW Moffett with a 1-year term.
“SAG members have spoken decisively and what they’re saying couldn’t be more clear – they voted for merger,” SAG president Ken Howard, a U4S member, said in a U4S-issued statement after election results were announced. “I’m looking forward to working with all the re-elected and newly elected board members, and our partners at AFTRA, to make one union happen.”
U4S leader Ned Vaughn, who remains just an Alternate for the SAG National Board, called it a “landslide affirmation of Unite for Strength’s goal of uniting SAG and AFTRA as a single performers’ union.” He noted that SAG’s Hollywood Division members today elected 13 U4S candidates to serve on the Guild’s National Board of Directors, and another 20 of the group’s candidates to serve on the SAG Hollywood Board. U4S candidates won 33 of the 35 total seats at stake in Hollywood. “All the candidates elected in the Guild’s New York and Regional Branch Divisions also support the move to one union.”
This coming Monday, SAG and AFTRA will begin jointly bargaining their TV/Theatrical Contract with the AMPTP for 7 weeks, followed by the DGA in mid-November. No date has yet been set for the WGA, whose contract ends May 1, 2011, but the moguls and the AMPTP intend to negotiate with the writers last to ensure there’s the most Hollywood pressure on them. At present, SAG/AFTRA and the DGA are trading information, but not with the WGA despite last year’s talk about all the Hollywood guilds cooperating. Both SAG/AFTRA and the DGA have made it their priority to achieve gains in health and pension, and much less so in wages and New Media. This, despite the fact that Big Media just reported bigger profits this past quarter and better forecasts for the rest of 2010 and also 2011.
The major election issue this time around was exactly how actors should be unionized. U4S and USAN are content to join with AFTRA as is and become one union. However, Membership First has long opposed a combined union with AFTRA because the smaller predominantly represents broadcasters and is simple to join. MF believes that instead all actors should belong to one big union.
But MF was demoralized and disorganized during this latest campaign so it’s no surprise it lost further ground. This was also the first SAG election under the non-disparagement gag order with AFTRA. So any open debate was nonexistent. Even the hot button issue of the SAG National Majority standing idly by last spring while AFTRA poached 38 new broadcast scripted TV series for the 2010-2011 season, compared to SAG’s single new show, never received attention.
Hollywood-centric Membership First was in control of the SAG National Board and its AMPTP negotiations starting in 2005 until 2008 when U4S came out of nowhere to join with USAN against what it saw as the “hardline” negotiating stance of Membership First. U4S won a slim majority in the 2008 SAG election but it was enough with USAN to control of SAG. The SAG National Majority then took over the dragging negotiations with the AMPTP, settled quickly, increased its majority in 2009, and added to it even more today.
Membership First’s Anne-Marie Johnson, who ran against U4S’s Ken Howard for SAG president a year ago and lost, said, “We still believe in the long run that our positions are going to be proven. But we all have to acknowledge that our message no longer resonated with the members. We wish the winners well. The ball is clearly in their court.”
Here’s the SAG announcement:
Los Angeles (September 23, 2010)—Screen Actors Guild today announced elections results for the Guild’s National Board of Directors. Twenty-seven (27) of the 69 National Board seats were open for election this year, representing Screen Actors Guild’s Hollywood, New York and Regional Branch Divisions. The newly elected National Board members will assume office on September 25. SAG’s Hollywood Division elected thirteen new National Board members; the New York Division elected five members; and nine National Board members were elected from the union’s Branches in Arizona, Chicago, Florida, Georgia, Houston, New Mexico, San Francisco, Seattle and Utah.
National Board members elected from the Hollywood Division (top 11 – three-year terms, next 2 – one-year terms): Ron Perlman, Jason George, Gabrielle Carteris, Jeff Garlin, Clyde Kusatsu, Marisol Nichols, Marcia Strassman, Jenny O’Hara, Dawnn Lewis, Clark Gregg, Michael O’Keefe, L. Scott Caldwell, and D. W. Moffett.
The following were elected to serve as National Board alternates and to the Hollywood Division Board of Directors (all one-year terms). Sam Jaeger, Michael O’Neill, Bill Smitrovich, Ned Vaughn, Christine Lakin, Woody Schultz, Mimi Cozzens, Tara Radcliffe, Patrick Fabian, Donal Logue, Stacey Travis, Esai Morales, Ellen Crawford, Assaf Cohen, Mandy Steckelberg, Conrad E. Palmisano, Michelle Allsopp, Jon Huertas, Valerie Harper, Gilles Marini, Sarayu Rao, and Bertila Damas.
National Board members elected from the New York Division (all three-year terms): Nancy Giles, Richard Masur, Maureen Donnelly, Sue-Anne Morrow, and Mike Hodge.
The following were elected to serve as National Board alternates and to the New York Division Board of Directors (all one-year terms). Manny Alfaro, Justin Barrett, Marc Baron, Jay Potter, Kevin Scullin, John Rothman, Joe Narciso, Dave Bachman, and Andrew Dolan.
National Board members elected from the Regional Branch Division: Steven A. Fried (Arizona – three-year term), Todd Hissong (Chicago – three-year term), Nancy Duerr (Florida – three-year term), Debra Nelson (Georgia – three-year term), Robert Nelson (Houston – one-year term), Roy Costley (New Mexico – three-year term), Tom Chantler (San Francisco – three-year term), Abby Dylan (Seattle – three-year term) and Anne Sward (Utah – three-year term).
Ballots for all eligible SAG members in Hollywood and New York were mailed on August 24 with a September 23 return deadline and were tabulated today by the independent election company Integrity Voting Systems. A total of 12,211 ballots were tabulated in the Hollywood Division (representing 22.39% percent of ballots mailed in the Hollywood Division) and 4,445 ballots were tabulated in the New York Division (representing 19.66 percent of ballots mailed in the New York Division). The number of ballots returned in the Regional Branch elections varied by region.
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Good-bye Screen Actors Guild. We hardly knew ye.
Sad day for SAG members. It means the majority of those who voted bought the big lie that merging with AFTRA would give SAG more power. Unfortunately it will have the opposite effect. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence realizes that the AMPTP wants a compliant union and did all they could to expedite a merger.
Hopefully there are enough actors who will expose the truth that is hidden under all this chicanery.
Let’s start with asking two very important questions that all SAG members should be asking:
1) Why did the SAG leadership, whose responsibility is to its members say nothing about losing ALL of the new shows to AFTRA?
2) Why has SAG leadership, whose responsibility is to its members not fight to enforce its jurisdiction in anything for the screen except what is done in a live manner?
There is something going on here and these very serious questions need to be asked.
Actors need to get involved and we have two powerful tools on our side: The truth and Nikki Finke who always exposes it!
MCA
Just “Goodbye, ‘zackery’” will suffice, Matt.
Give it up, you poor thing.
SAG members don’t know it yet but they just voted to disolve the great Screen Actors Guild. The actor’s union, created in Hollywood almost 80 years ago, will be no more. Very sad.
Congratulations to all the winners. This is a landslide for the Unite for Strength slate, and a sharp repudiation by the voters of all of the Membership First policies, tactics and candidates. Nontheless, there is a lot of hard work ahead, and difficult decisions to be made. We will need to pull together, and let go of the knee-jerk “if you’re for it, I’m against it” rhetoric. Not unlike the last recent presidential election, lets HOPE that we can calmly and consciously craft a new future for this once proud guild.
There will be no pulling together. Many of us view our union as dead.
Suck it up. Your kinds infighting destroyed us.
Congrats on your “victory”
Hallelujah! The reign of ignorance is finally over! One strong union for all of us. United in Solidarity! The Dream is Reality! Thank You to all my brothers and sisters in SAG!!!!!!
Are you ignoramuses even aware of AFTRA’s horrible health & pension plans? In order to cover your family thru AFTRA ($30,000 in EMPLOYERS CONTRIBUTIONS, not EARNINGS!) Every check you get thru AFTRA only 15% – 18% of it is employer contributions. To cover your spouse and children you have to earn over $200,000/yr. If SAG & AFTRA agree to these terms you better hope you land a series or you better go get a job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csFLvbSvNIs
O.K. so, the hustle continues. No surprise. But there is push-back coming and it starts NOW.
Party hard UFS, NY, RBD, A-list, and AFTRA – cause the wrath of the TRUTH is coming down on your collective heads – NOW.
The above is a link to conclusive evidence that David Browde is the owner of Sagwatch.net, the pro-merger, anti-M1 (or progressive SAG – you know, those who want fair contracts for actors), pro-AFTRA, propaganda site.
This link conclusively proves that David Browde, AFTRA member, National Board member and AFTRA trustee, has been, and is, running a web-site that regularly prints anti-progressive SAG, confidential information – in direct violation of the Non-Disparagement Agreement.
This information is all known since this YouTube link went up a few days ago – to Ken Howard, President of SAG, David White, NED of SAG, Duncan Crabtree-Ireland, Council for SAG, as well as Roberta Reardon, President of AFTRA and Kim Hedgpeth, NED of AFTRA.
They REFUSE to even acknowledge this PROOF that David Browde IS Sagwatch.net. They won’t even ask him the question.
The information that THEY have been allowing a web-site to spread anti-M1 propaganda, that, chances are THEY THEMSELVES have been contributing confidential information to, for over two years, is right out there for all to see and hear for themselves.
It is impossible to argue with the conclusion one must reach after watching and listening to this link: David Browde owns the “anonymous” Sagwatch.net.
To argue otherwise is ignorant of the context of the situation: a billing rep at Justhost.com, which carries Sagwatch.net on its IP address, along with some 250 other sites, TELLS the questioner that, while David Browde has taken out the PRIVATE DOMAIN coverage (hiding his true identity) with a company called 1&1 hosting in Germany, he IS LINKED via THAT DOMAIN – Sagwatch.net – to his account at Justhost.com.
There is no other reasonable conclusion to reach. If there were NO connection between Sagwatch.net and David Browde, the Justhost.com billing rep would SAY SO.
He SPECIFICALLY does not. In fact he says there IS a link between David Browde, who has an account with Justhost.com, and Sagwatch.net.
Don’t believe me? LISTEN TO THE LINK AND READ THE CONFIRMING EMAIL.
Because, the billing rep at Justhost.com then authorizes an email confirming what he has said, which is also printed on this link above.
ANYONE who understands ANYTHING about computers will see that this is conclusive evidence.
So, what are those officials of SAG and AFTRA doing about it?
NOTHING. SILENCE. Why?
Because if David Borwde is exposed as the owner of Sagwatch.net, and he is FORCED to name the officials at SAG and AFTRA who provided him confidential information –
MERGER GOES DOWN.
Why?
Because, what some of us have been saying for a long, long, time, will be PROVEN to be true.
UFS, USAN, NY, RBD, and AFTRA, with probable help from the A-list (no strikes to get in the way of their money trains) AND the AMPTP (no strikes to get in the way of their money trains), WANT THIS MERGER.
They GAVE AFTRA ALL SAG’S RIGHTFUL TV JURISDICTION in the last two years – UNPRECEDENTED VIOLATION OF SAG JURISDICTION – in DIRECT VIOLATION OF NLRB PRECEDENT, and they – KEN HOWARD, DUNCAN CRABTREE-IRELAND, DAVID WHITE AND AMY AQUINO all SAG’s TOP OFFICIALS – - won’t even ASK the NLRB for a “Unit Clarification Claim” to resolve that TV, IS SAG’s jurisdiction – NOT AFTRA’S (AFTRA ONLY has “TV performed in a live manner” aka, LIVE TV) – because, in the last NLRB ruling, “method of capture” (mainly digital now) is NOT the determining factor. Never was, and isn’t now.
They did this, the AMPTP giving all TV to AFTRA, in violation of FEDERAL LAW – TO HELP MERGER, which has resulted in severe damage to the SAG P&H program, and the LOSS of 40% of the contributions to that P&H program that COME FROM TV! – not to mention the superior SAG contracts, workplace protections, benefits and residuals that SAG has gotten all YOU MEMBERS – by STRIKE or THREAT OF STRIKE — EVERY SINGLE ONE – (look it up) FOR 76 YEARS.
Why are they doing this?
Because they will get what they have PAID for – a merger of SAG into AFTRA, to form a third, producer-compliant union that signs whatever contracts are put in front of it.
There will be no “Strength in Numbers” in such a union. It will be to the financial DISADVANTAGE for SAG middle class actors to vote FOR it.
So, start with David Browde. You want to push this exposure of him, and all complicit in helping him expose confidential information and anti-M1 information on a web-site that violates the Non-Disparagement Act, and very possibly, the law?
Then, WE need to do what the current producer-compliant leaders and newly elected officials of our Union WON’T do:
INSIST – DEMAND – AN INVESTIGATION IMMEDIATELY INTO BROWDE’S OWNERSHIP OF THIS SITE AND FORCE DAVID BROWDE, IN COURT IF NECESSARY, TO NAME THE OFFICIALS WHO HAVE FED HIM CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION.
They won’t do it?
WE WILL. Go to the link. What you’ll hear is David Browde served up on a silver platter as the owner of Sagwatch,net AND, you’ll hear the path to bringing this anti-union, anti-SAG-middle-class actor merger with AFTRA down.
Ask yourself – if these SAG and AFTRA officials are NOT complicit in this, and David Browde has NO CONNECTION to Sagwatch.net, then, they have nothing to worry about, right?
They have no reason NOT to ask, given this compelling information, David Browde – OFFICIALLY – if he is the owner of Sagwatch.net, right?
And, David Browde, if he is NOT the owner of Sagwatch.net, should have NO hesitation denying it – even if he has to do it in court, right?
Innocent people don’t RUN from legitimate questions, right?
And this link provides proof that, at the very LEAST, an explanation is required, right?
SO:
Here it is – PROOF. Let’s USE IT.
SAVE THE SCREEN ACTORS GUILD!
So, you are saying we DIDN’T land on the moon, and 9/11 was setup by our government….dude, get over it – you lost.
No “DUDE”, actors lost.
From the first day that I joined both AFTRA and SAG, thirty years ago, the drum has beaten steadily for these two unions to merge. Don’t know why you choose, Union Ethics, to believe our merged union will be a “producer-compliant union that signs whatever contracts are put in front of it.” But that’s your prerogative. Personally, I wish it had been around during the Commercial Strike of 2000. (Remember how the ANA and AAAA refused to even discuss Internet jurisdiction with us? How they promised to take away our Class A residual and how, no, they were not going to stop abusing us on the Cable residual?) Would have loved to have had the “strength in numbers” this merged union represents during that very anti-union climate.
This is absolutely TREMENDOUS news. Congratulations to us all!
Don’t forget, throughout history anyone can join AFTRA if they pay–that’s it–there are no qualifications to join AFTRA. I suspect there will be a run of non-professionals joining AFTRA knowing with a merger in the bag they will be as good as SAG in a few months.
This merger was designed by UFS and AFTRA leadership to break the union by the celebs who wanted to take the voting rights of the membership at large in their bid for “Affected Member Voting.” When that was derailed they just turned up the heat and cooked the entire union so they wouldn’t have to stop working on their series to spare the middle-class actors from bankruptcy.
See, the thing is people– Pearlman, Ken Howard, Walsh, Carteris and supporters like Sally Field–they don’t even have a dog in the fight. They work for much, much, more than scale. And their allegiance is to the bosses that pay them that money. They are not the voice of the rank and file.
AFTRA is dirty and underhanded but if keeping themselves afloat at all costs was their goal they did it. Open the floodgates to AFTRA initiation fees in the morning, you just might save your jobs as AFTRA leaders long enough to fill your golden lifeboat before the whole thing sinks. The sad thing is the actors are sunk and that will not be undone in our lifetime.
Ultimately though, the tribe has spoken– so be it. Unfortunately they seems unaware that what they said was, “Man this water is so warm. Ribbit. Ribbit.”
That’s not true. My wife just cast an Aftra pilot, and was denied a number of actors entry into the union. They wanted bona fides. They don’t just take anyone. Anyone else who makes this assertion I would say is mistaken, you, however, are most likely lying.
The Christine O’Donnells and Sharron Angles of SAG membership have fallen for the “grassroots” astro-turfing from SAG’s version of the Koch Bros., Dick Armey and the financial, oil and pharmaceutical industries.
SAG members have been convinced that voting against their own interests was the right thing to do. And as we see daily on the national political front, the key to getting folks to do that is convincing voters that solving all their problems and achieving magical success really is the “simple” sweeping, easy answer, not that icky and confusing nuanced stuff where one has to consider all sorts of complicated stuff that requires study of a lot of boring details.
Of course, that a significant majority doesn’t even participate in the process also helps a LOT!
Dear Angry Waiter:
Interesting…just kidding.
Seriously: the UAW is a union. The NEA is a union. SAG…a club? Like Chess Club?
This is fantastic! The era or regressive and obstructive tactics has ended and now we can get on with the collaboration of show business.
Slight correction:
Valerie Harper and Esai Morales were both elected to the Hollywood Board and to the National Board as alternates.
SAG will now be run out of the New York Division and the Regional Branch Division. These people hate Hollywood and hate that SAG is a Hollywood based union. They are what has been referred to by SAG’s past leaders, as AFTRA members with a SAG card.
In the two divisions outside of Hollywood, the National Board members run unopposed year after year. If they don’t run unopposed, they win by getting one or two votes. It takes thousands of votes to win a National Board seat in Hollywood. Zero votes to win a National Board seat in the Regional Branches. How fair is that??
Most of the “AFTRA with a SAG hats” are voice actors and have never ever been in a Theatrical Motion Picture or a TV show. Most have zero on-camera credits. They are a permanent fifth column that has finally killed off the Screen Actors Guild.
Unite for Stregth, was started by a bunch of scared and naive actors who thought you could get a good deal by “just talking”.
Their first major initiative was to try to take away the memberships votes. They believed the old canard that all the actors that don’t work as much as the A-list, are strike crazed zealot that will vote down any deal. The truth is that SAG has not had a TV/Theatrical strike in 30 years. UFS swallows the AMPTP B.S whole.
UFS is an elitist and fear base organization. They purposely let two season go to AFTRA to force a merger.
Jimmy Cagney is rolling in his grave.
Could not agree more…Portland OR SAG, for instance, is run like a despodic fiefdom by someone who hates SAG and hasn’t had a SAG film or theatrical credit in twenty years…
I guess I would care if I didn’t think the last contract killed the union. But I don’t.
I didn’t vote. I just tossed my ballot in the trash. Pointless, husk of a union run by studio clowns now.
Buh bye.
this election is proof that the membership has finally woken up to what a terrible job MF has done leading this union. All of the anti-comments on this board shows that none of you have the faintest idea what you’re talking about. Assumptions based on assumptions. By all means, either start listening to members, and take your heads out of your behinds, or please go irritate your neighbors.
A few thoughts from another SAG member.
1) Deadline – thanks as always for the speedy and intelligent reporting. I take issue with one small piece of your narrative here: the idea that those of us voting for UFS rejected “hardball” tactics in the negotiations with the AMPTP. Membership First and Mr. Rosenberg (who I nonetheless respect for his good work on my behalf) played neither hardball nor softball in that process, instead they tried to straddle the center: they wouldn’t strike, but they wouldn’t stop negotiating, even after they had been clearly informed that the offer on the table was final. I’m not an expert on high stakes poker, but you’re either in or you’re out. I am neither surprised nor disappointed that MF’s waffling here was rewarded negatively by the one in five of us who voted.
2) mca, jerry, comedymaven and etc. – you’re right that this means there’s a downturn ahead. you’re likely right that it means SAG as we know it is not long for this world. but in the medium to long-term, this is a very good move for the professional acting community. even assuming that the next round of talks are a 3D Imax cake-walk for the studios, the first round where actors are all represented together will be a very different story. change can be scary, but it’s often necessary, and sometimes even good.
3) actor 274 – you took the time to comment, but you couldn’t be bothered to vote? your cynicism makes you cool, but not as cool as you’d like. decisions are made by those who show up. play ball or abstain but don’t snark from the stands, it’s the worst kind of apathy.
4) new board members from UFS – good job, congratulations … now don’t screw this up. the merger you craft is going to stand for a generation if you do it right. make sure the actors are justly positioned in this brave new world. you get one more election as a freebie from me, because i understand that change takes time time. after that you’re on your own, and constituents are fickle. so play hard, play well, and have the courage to be wed to your convictions.
5) you – thanks for reading. at least it wasn’t CAPLOCKED conspiracy theory, right? i mean even if he’s dead on…
False and rather pathetic equivalency. I am no longer taking part in the union because it is a pointless endeavor. Taking 30 seconds to comment on a blog is a shockingly stupid thing to compare to filling out a ballot. But you know that. It was a desperate attempt to paint myself as a cynic, when I’m just no longer participating in something that works against my future needs.
My vote was made by not voting – like the other 78% of actors who find it pointless.
The merger “crafted.” That’s rich.
“Listen now, good people tied to the tracks along with me, Please take heed, our work is not finished just yet. When the freight train gets within earshot I shall explain our point of view and list our few–by any stretch– minor demands. See now, look; Here, it’s getting closer. Pardon me freight train, me and my constituents implore you to take great care with your new found power and…
The fact is that the concept of the “union” is dead. SAG, WGA, DGA, AFTRA, whoever you are, the merging of mega-corporations has taken away your one and only weapon – the ability to have an effective strike. And this happened because you let it happen by squabbling over your measly little crumbs, instead of joining forces entirely. The SAG and AFTRA merger means shit if the Teamsters and other unions don’t honor your strike. Hollywood needs ONE union in order to effectively take on the studios. Otherwise what you have is just a members only club.
Biggest Winner in SAG Election Landslide:
Tom Hanks (PLAY-TONE Production Company)
Runners-Up: The Top One Percent of SAG Actors
(UFS leader James Cromwell – “We are the one percent.”)
Crushed in Landslide: the Other Ninety-Nine Percent.
reading a bit between the lines here: Tom Hanks shot The Pacific in Australia( partly? all?) ….because?? different deals could be struck w/actors? just wondering if union regs. applied to this project. I guess the extras were cheaper and non union at least…
Nikki–correction to your numbers. I know SAG wants to keep the public perception that there are 120,000 members, but this is false. If you look at the SAG site, they list the number of ballots they sent out on each result page. That would be all the dues paying members.
The total they list is 85,708 for NY (22,612), Hollywood (54,536)and the branches who had votes. There were 11 additional branches where the number isn’t listed, because the candidates were running unopposed–they were the smaller branches like Utah and San Francisco. If we give each of them about 400 members each, that brings the estimated total of eligible-to-vote SAG members to about 90,000.
90,000 SAG members…not 120,000.
UFS is delusional if they think the majority of SAG members cared about this election. It most certainly was NOT a vote for merger. It was simply a vote for apathy in regard to individuals. There is a disconnect between issues and voting for individual representatives thanks to the infighting. We all know we will have a chance to vote on a merger when we can see what it really looks like.
When a real merger plan gets presented, there will be a groundswell of interest.
The number of ballots issued, and the membership numbers, are two different things.
Only dues current members are mailed ballot. Due to the economy and the fact that there are less movies made in Hollywood and all the new TV shows went AFTRA, many SAG members are paying their dues late. So many “SAG members” didn’t get ballots.
The number of SAG members and AFTRA members is on the Dept. of Labor website, under “LM-2″ reports.
So, are those of you who are anti-UFS really saying that MF did such a wonderful job of making SAG stronger when they had the chance? Do you really think a merger is what will kill SAG? All this internal blame and apathy is exactly what the studios and multi-glots want. Stop whining and find solutions to getting better contracts.
There will be no membership vote about merging SAG & AFTRA. The merger will just happen. The time when rank & file had a vote is now gone.
How many of these comments were posted by Matt Mulhern and his sock puppet army?
If you break up a desperate rant into separate paragraphs and then dish it out by pretending to be many different commenters, it might look like it’s many more than just one frustrated, over-heated meathead, right?
Fact: There is nearly total agreement among members and leaders of performers’ unions (other than Membership First) that things must change in order to facilitate unity by creating a single performers’ union.
Fact: “Membership First” has opposed “one performers’ union” and has been running SAG for nearly five years and has now finally been kicked to the curb by the member/voters of two performers’ unions.
Fact: Merger of the present performers’ unions is now imminent.
Advice: Get out of the way or be flattened even flatter than your arguments based on false assumptions and deliberate misinformation.
My stupidity is less shocking once you get to know me. You are correct that voting and commenting are not equivalent, in fact that was essentially my point for you. But in this case, they are both political actions, and the one you selected this year (non voting as political expression) just guarantees your premise, which is that nothing you do will make a difference. Do you really believe that all 50 candidates were studio clowns? If you have good reasons to think so, I don’t fault you. But I don’t think that’s it. I think you and the other 78% are a mix of the busy, the disinterested, and the angry. But you can’t expect things to change if you don’t even try to sort the good candidates from the bad. I called you a cynic because you’re letting your pessimism, which for all I know is perfectly warranted, prevent you from taking simple actions to make a difference. In sum: it sounds cheesy, but don’t let the mistakes of boards past rob you of all hope for the future. Its our union and we can both make it better. Hopefully, in time, dramatically so.
Political Science 101: a small, well organized minority always defeats the disorganized majority. It’s happened countless times. The merging of SAG and AFTRA creates not strength in numbers, rather the opposite: weakness in numbers.
The reason is that the more divergent interests/common goals there are in a group, the harder it is to reach consensus and a plan of action. Actors have nothing in common with many of the AFTRA members. The merger of the two unions is EXACTLY what the studios have wanted.
What the studios do not want to deal with are small unions that have goals in common and what they do for a living in common: DGA, WGA, Teamsters.
kingdangerously
When you “take issue” it’s important to understand the “issue.”
To say M1 “straddled the fence” is a deliberate misrepresentation of the facts.
On the one hand, the moderates always made a big deal of their certainty that’s “Alan Rosenberg WANTS TO STRIKE! HE’S STRIKE-CRAZY! ROSENBERG IS ON STRIKE ALREADY! HE RAN ON STRIKE. STRIKE THREE! ROSENBERG = STRIKE!!” and was therefore closed to “reasonable negotiation.”
Well, first, let’s all remember, there never WAS any “reasonable negotiation.” The deal Ned Vaughn and UFS bent over and signed was essentially THE SAME DEAL PUT ON THE TABLE MANY MONTHS EARLIER.
A TERRIBLE DEAL.
OUR OWN, PRODUCER-BUTT-LICKING-NED, DAVID WHITE, HELD IT UP AFTER IT WAS SIGNED AND SAID “THIS DEAL SUCKS.” (exact quote)
Then you hear utter nonsense like he “straddled the fence and WOULDN’T strike.”
Let’s go to the third, and actual, explanation: Alan Rosenberg COULDN’T strike, even IF, or WHEN, he wanted to.
Why?
Let’s all be honest, shall we?
Richard Masur’s moderate faction of the national board voted by… 97%(?) to SEND OUT A STRIKE AUTHORIZATION.
THEN?
On a DIME, when it became clear to Masur and his producer butt-jockey’s that they may have put their foot in it and aided an ACTUAL STRIKE AUTHORIZATION, which would have given Rosenberg and Allen the actual BACKING OF THEIR OWN UNION to convince the producers of the seriousness of their intent, Masur authorized a full-scale ABOUT-FACE,, and the COMPLETE UNDERMINING of what they had previously endorsed.
Because, a little factoid for the feeble-minded, revisionist historians popping up like fungus – it takes 75% of those who vote of the MEMBERSHIP – TO VOTE UP A STRIKE AUTHORIZATION.
That’s a lot.
Now, “kingdangerously” (how apt a title for the current situation) would you please explain to us, how Rosenberg was “straddling the fence” when his political support EVAPORATED soon after BACKING him by 97%?
You know Basketball? Hockey? Football? Soccer?
It’s called “the STALL.”
You do NOTHING, and you RUN OUT THE CLOCK.
Because, except for the, oh, roughly, on a good day, 25% of eligible voters who pay any attention whatsoever to any of this, what they were susceptible to was UFS then coming in and saying “NOTHING IS HAPPENING! CAN YOU BELIEVE THESE PEOPLE?! WE NEED TO THROW THEM OUT IN A PALACE COUP BY UNPRECEDENTED USE OF WRITTEN ASSENT! (even though they didn’t fulfill state law requirements because they did NOT send the first assent that removed Allen and muzzled Rosenberg – I know, inconvenient, but completely true – look it up – to ALL the national board members, but only the “yes” votes).
And who was responsible for the stall that SO pissed off the membership?
The moderates, led by Richard Masur.
Hey, it’s admirable pure politics, but it’s shitty human-being-ism, and THAT will be their downfall. You watch.
Actually, Matt, it was Rosenberg’s downfall. You read AMJ’s statement, right? Other than the echo chamber on this board, you and your handful of sock puppets are nothing but an insignificant, vocal minority. You were wrong about a strike authorization vote going out, you were wrong about the MFers ability to accomplish anything whatsoever, you were wrong about their ability to win their legal challenge (while wasting hundreds of thousands of our dollars), you were wrong about the ratification vote and both elections since. Yet you still regurgitate the same idiotic bs.
I wonder if you realize that rather than changing a single soul’s mind to your position, all you do is alienate people? Or if you recognize the fact that you’ve become a source of high amusement to the very people you rail against with your cut-n-paste rants?