
EXCLUSIVE… 3RD UPDATE FRIDAY 11PM: It’s war! I hear that The Biggest Loser producers, Shine Group’s Reveille and JD Roth’s and Todd Nelson’s Eyeworks-owned 3 Ball Prods., are planning to resume production on the weight-loss reality series on Monday morning after a week-long shutdown because of the IATSE-backed strike by crew members. But the restart of filming is not the result of an agreement with IATSE. I hear the producers are bringing in replacements and the show will continue to be non-union. (In a letter sent to the crew members on Tuesday, the full text of which is displayed in the 2nd Updatedbelow, the producers threaten striking crew members that their jobs may be lost if they hire permanent replacements.) I hear that no Biggest Loser crew members are expected to cross the picket line on Monday. “Should be ugly,” one insider says. Meanwhile, I hear that the Biggest Loser employees who are striking to go union have received support from the American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations, a voluntary federation of 57 national and international unions, which has issued a “Do Not Patronize” sanction against the Biggest Loser producers. The companies’ put on AFL-CIO “Do Not Patronize” list “have been identified as unfair employers and adversaries of the labor movement, and all trade unionists and friends of organized labor are urged not to patronize those businesses,” according to the organization’s Web site.
EXCLUSIVE… 2ND UPDATE THURSDAY 4PM: It’s Day 3 of IATSE’s strike against veteran NBC reality series The Biggest Loser and the production companies behind it, mainly Reveille Prods. and 3 Ball Prods. As we first reported, the strike started on Monday night when the show’s crew walked off the set. The picketing, which started yesterday at the production location aka The Ranch in the Santa Monica Mountains, spread today to the Redondo Beach offices of 3 Ball where the show is being edited. Production on the series’s upcoming 11th season continues to be halted. Meanwhile, the producers have sent a stern Facts About a Strike letter to the crew, stressing that they may hire permanent replacements for the striking members. (letter posted below.) The strike is taking a toll on the striking employees. “Most of the crew is bummed, but determined,” one insider said. “Many have been on the show for 4 or 5 seasons. They are sticking together, many on the picket lines.”
The main issue for the crew is that, because Biggest Loser has no deal with IATSE, the crew members can’t accrue their union days to qualify for health and pension benefits while working on the show. Since Biggest Loser is a reality series on an atypical schedule as it films 4 to 5 days a week from September to March, many crew members have to leave for a period of time so they can get their IA days on other shows while they would rather stay on Biggest Loser full-time and make their union days there. The Biggest Loser crew usually consists of 90-100 people, 40 of whom are IA members. I hear the show adheres to union rules in terms of work schedule and that crew rates are substantially above union minimum. But word is that there has not been a crew raise since season 6. That has coincided with the current economic downturn, and the ratings for the long-running show have begun to trend downwards lately. But the raise freeze has left employees a little frustrated as they get to shoot many paid product placement segments on the show. “The crew wonders where all that money goes,” one person said. And while the producers explain in the letter why they don’t want the show to go union, a move that would allow crew members to get their health benefits through IATSE, they don’t offer company-based health benefits as an alternative with the argument that they pay above union rates, so crew members should be able to afford their own health care. (which most of them can’t)
Will the strike find a successful resolution before the upcoming Thanksgiving holiday? It’s hard to say because complicating the things is a possible negotiating tactic by IATSE which has been in separate negotiations with Reveille for the company’s new Paula Abdul reality show Live to Dance on CBS. Word is that the union has pulled that negotiating team and are trying to leverage all Reveille/Shine shows to go union. I hear that has pissed Biggest Loser union members off to no end because none of them want their jobs to be a negotiating pawn. Word is that ultimately IATSE may do a separate deal for The Biggest Loser but the back-and-forth has led to further delays. IATSE first talked with the Biggest Loser producers about a deal in Season 4 when the show signed with the DGA but those talks went nowhere.
November 9, 2010
FACTS ABOUT A STRIKE
We understand that the IATSE is trying to call some of our employees out on strike. Before you decide what to do, think about the following factual answers to typical questions about strikes:
1. IF EMPLOYEES GO OUT ON STRIKE, WILL THEY CONTINUE TO GET PAID?
Striking employees aren’t working so they don’t get paid for the time they are striking.. The Company will not pay wages during a strike and neither will the union.
2. CAN EMPLOYEES COLLECT UNEMPLOYMENT COMPENSA TION DURING A STRIKE?
No. California will not pay unemployment compensation to strikers out of work because of a strike.
3. IF THE UNION CALLS A STRIKE, CAN THE COMPANY CONTINUE TO OPERATE?
Yes. The Company can and will continue to operate during a strike with employees who want to work and if necessary with permanent replacements (see next Q and A).
4. COULD I BE REPLACED IF THE UNION CALLS A STRIKE?
Yes. Under the law, if the union calls a strike to try to force the Company to agree to the union’s demands (called an “economic strike”), the Company may replace the strikers with permanent replacements. If you strike and are permanently replaced, you have no right to be reinstated to your old job until vacancies become available and you are reinstated from a preferential hiring list.
5. WHY IS THE COMPANY OPPOSED TO THIS UNION?
The threat of strikes is a major reason the Company is opposed to this union. We also don’t see why you should have to pay union dues, fees, fines and assessments in order to work here. Some of our employees have worked for the Company for years. We strongly prefer to solve problems directly with our employees, without the involvement of a union with its own agenda.
If you would like more information about your rights or the rules governing this situation, please contact the Regional Office of the National Labor Relations Board, telephone (213) 894-5200 or (310) 235-7352 or go to www.nlrb.gov.
1ST UPDATE WEDNESDAY PM: IATSE has put out this statement confirming my story that it is on strike against The Biggest Loser. The relationship between the Hollywood guilds and reality shows has been very problematic.
Los Angeles – The IATSE has confirmed that it is on strike against the reality series, “The Biggest Loser,” and its production entities, Reveille Productions, 25/7 Productions and 3 Ball Productions. This top rated show for NBC is now filming its tenth season. The work action follows a vote by 100% of the production crew members to support the IA. AFTRA and DGA already have agreements with the production.
IA International President Matthew D. Loeb said, “This is a top-rated prime-time television show, and the crew remains unified. The strike is the result of a unanimous decision by members of the production crew that they get a contract similar to others covering these types of productions, and we are resolute in getting it for them.”
EXCLUSIVE TUESDAY 7PM: Production on NBC’s veteran reality series The Biggest Loser has been put on hold following a walkout by the show’s crew in an effort to unionize. I hear that representatives from IATSE, the union that represents most film and TV crew members, showed up on the set of The Biggest Loser last night and led the crew off the set. As a result, filming on the show was suspended. The Biggest Loser also didn’t shoot today, while representatives from IATSE and Reveille, which produces the series with 3 Ball Prods., have been discussing a potential agreement. There have been rumblings that the walkout was the culmination of ongoing efforts by the Biggest Loser crew to go union but show insiders tell me that the producers were not aware of such attempts and were surprised by the labor action last night. I’ll be updating the story as it evolves.
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I hear their biggest gripe was fighting with the contestants at the craft service table for the last donut.
I’ll be here all weeks, folks.
Corny, yes, but it made me laugh!
That was classic, man! Hahaha….
Good luck, crew!
I hope they get the basic benefits all workers deserve.
Amen to that! The greed is mind-boggling!!
Greed? How do we know they’ve been greedy? Maybe they just don’t want to deal with a union, who are showing more and more their greed that all they care about is increasing their numbers for more union dues and more influence in politics.
The Biggest Loser franchise is a multi million dollar money maker. This is ALL about greed, and keeping the unions away from this show and others, also motivated by greed.
Greed? I have friends who work this show and it’s the sweetest gig they’ve ever had, wish I had it – paid well over scale, haven’t had to look for a job in years, make enough to not have to day play on hiatus, bought their houses on this show, putting their kids through school, socking it away for their own retirement and happy with the insurance they have. And now for the first time in a long time, the nice life they enjoy is jeopardized by this union shakedown. Good work IATSE, really looking out for the workers. btw, a real stretch to call the work stoppage a “unanimous decision”
What is greed?
That’s great that your friend is so successful. I’m sure he’s really ‘socking it away’. Who are you kidding!?!?! A wife and 2 kids, putting them through school? Private school? Break it down… unless wifee is working… the kids’ school is 20k (minimum), family health insurance 1,200/mth (min)… Mortgage? 3,500 (min), cars, babysitters, sushi and a vacation every other year?!?! Bullshit he’s making 250!!!! His family is either helping him or he’s dealing drugs on the side. He’s the ‘middle class’ that DOESN’T EXIST! He’s the perfect example of why this SHOULD HAPPEN! This is NOT about your friend!!!! This is about ALL WORKERS IN REALITY TV (and the nation)!!! HELLLLLOOOOOO!!!!!
without unions, we’d all be working in unsafe environments, there’d still be child labor, and you wouldn’t have time off or weekends ever. Go look at a factory in China and see where you’d be without unions in this country who have fought for workers rights over the years.
Yes, I’m sure the work conditions at Biggest Loser are such that a union is absolutely necessary; what, with all that child labor going on, and the danger of being around obese people who might fall on or eat you.
Unions these days are nothing more than a redistributive blight on business.
Fire them all and hire people interested in and happy to be employed on something as danger-free as a reality show.
Unions are outdated, we have laws to stop all the crap you say would happen. The auto unions get profit share now, not the people the UNIONS, they make a profit, which isnt suppose to happen. Unions put a strangle hold on workers, they tell them how much they can get paid, and if you are a hard worker, the guy with more time in can be a bum, moron worker, will be promoted above you. Unions are not needed in to todays work force.
Do you ever wonder *why* those jobs are in China? Because they don’t have Unions and stupid overarching regulations to deal with.
Yes, Unions improved working conditions. 50+ years ago, back when they cared about the individual worker. What have they done lately? Oh yeah, destroyed the American work ethic. Large Unions like SEIU, UAW, and IATSE only care about leeching off the work of independent entrepeneurs these days because they can’t create jobs on their own.
Here’s hoping TBL drops those workers and starts with a new crew. With an unemployment rate of 10.0%+ there should be some other people willing to take up the slack.
We in China thank America union for sending so much jobs to our country. Without America union we would not have so many jobs. Please America, support China, support your unions. China will be dominate power shortly and America will no longer tell China what to do. America union drive jobs to China and for that we, all Chinese, thank America.
Unions fought for when there were no labor laws. Now that we have tons of labor laws, unions are obsolete.
That’s interesting considering that labor unions are dead common in communist countries. In fact It’s the top leadership of labor unions that are dead set on pushing the United States into socialism/communism.So comrade worker….you just might get your wish with Obama working his magic in the White House.
As for safety on the job, thank the evil insurance companies that refuse to indemnify unsafe and inefficient liable companies.
The advantage of unions is something in the past that is irrelevant today much like using leeches to cure illness.
Yes, unions performed a great service in the past. However, we now have federal and local laws to protect workers from unsafe work environments. Unions today have become just another set of corporations out to make a buck. And while I really dislike today’s unions, I will let the free market decide whether unions will stay around or disappear.
The fastest way to lose out in a free market is to get too greedy.
Unions are by no means obsolete. Yes, we have laws to curb some corporate excesses, but these laws have constantly been eroded in the name of deregulation and the so-called free market. While they have lost a good degree of power, unions do keep a check on the constant chipping away at the laws they helped institute. Also, they represent workers when it comes time to renegotiate contracts. If unions didn’t exist, who goes to bat for the workers when contract time comes around? Who’s going to protect workers from drastic pay cuts, elimination of health benefits, longer hours with no overtime? Unions at least prevent corporations from instantly eradicating worker protections, which they would most certainly do if there was no one there to push back.
Unions have problems, just like any other human organization. But this constant drumbeat that they’re the epitome of evil or completely useless smacks of hyperbole.
Obama never misses a chance to compare (unfavorably to America) the chinese infrastructure with the american counterpart, but never denounces the gruesome labor conditions in that workers’ paradise. On the other side we got easily accustomed to buy cheap electronic appliances because of this.
Unions didn’t stop child labor, that was government regulations and the American Humane Society. We have OSHA now for the work place. The unions have outlived their purpose.
Unions and corporations form a check-and-balance relationship. Without unions to stand up for the rights of the workers, not only might labor laws be repealed, but profits made on the backs of the workers would go to the corporate executives, who would then cut into health benefits, salaries, retirement, etc. of the workers. Unions are IMPORTANT to keeping things fair in the working world.
Tell it, Man!
Not true. There is a Minimum wage law and your thinking is old-thinking. There was a time for the Union, but now that we have FAIR labor laws, we have no need to be controlled by these corrupt Unions. Ridiculous to think we’d go back to putting under-aged teens to work. This is the propaganda these Unions have been putting out for years. It’s nonsense.
I.A.T.S.E. has understood the economy today and when the writers, directors, and actors, did not sign agreements causing a production shut down last year, I.A.T.S.E. signed the agreement 6 months ahead of the previous contracts expiration.
It might also be worth pointing out, the crew does not individually make 2 million dollars and episode and then threaten the livelihood of the rest of the crew by trashing hotel rooms. So lets not factor in greed when discussing the basic protection of the union. And might I add, I am not a member of I.A.T.S.E.
It’s about health and pension benefits for the crew working on the show. Biggest Loser is a show about improving people’s health. Why are the crew not given the opportunity for health benefits
As you may have read, many of the crew are already union members and work Biggest Loser to fill in time between other shows that qualify them for pension and health insurance.
The union is not trying to swell it’s rank and file.
The shows producers are already willing to sign contracts with the DGA and Aftra, both are unions.
IATSE represents guys who swing hammers, drive trucks and move lights around.
3Ball and Reveille are behind some of the biggest reality shows out there.
The IATSE offers various levels of contract for productions of all sizes, if a company is working low budget the union is not there to put them out of business but to help those working maintain a certain quality of life.
The workers in this world need to remember that unions helped create the 40 hour work week (most tv shows work 60 hour avg.) and a solid middle class.
What is greed? Why is it that only businesses who make a profit are considered greedy and not the one’s who seek to confiscate that wealth. If greed exists, it is applied equally to unions.
“confiscate the wealth”
well, when you put it that way… but in reality, that’s not what this is about. It’s about fair working conditions and these workers have every right to try and secure that for themselves.
I bet the crew makes 6 figures a year – yet still complaining. I wouldn’t mind making 6 figures to clean a lens!
If you think TV crews make that much, in reality TV especially, you’re sorely mistaken
i hope they fire the crew and hire a new one. they originally agreed to work at a compensation level. if that agreement was not good enough they should have individual bargained for more.
We tried that for years.
Try asking for a raise on deaf ears season after season after season. If the execs in charge didn’t want to skim so much off the top, this may not have happened. Take care of your crew and your crew will take care of you.
crew was taken care of from what i hear. One of the greatest jobs in TV. work for more than ten months and you don’t have to go chase other jobs. Look like someone looked a gift horse in the mouth. Greed from the crew. If they were that unhappy they should have left for a union gig. Apparently they are not that smart. Shocking!
I love that now 10 months a year is a good thing. Remember before reality TV when TV jobs used to be more than 6 weeks at a time for low pay and no overtime. Reality TV and the WGA refusing to support reality TV writers caused all of this.
that was tried year after year,…trust me!
Are you saying that because the workers didn’t negotiate for higher salaries and benefits at the beginning of the show, they don’t get a piece of the extra profit that the show brings in? That hard work doesn’t matter as much as negotiating skills? What kind of an asshole are you?
GOOD LUCK TO ALL OF YOU THAT ARE STRIKING AND YOUR SUPPORTERS. WE NEED MORE UNION JOBS HERE IN US, MOST OF THEM WENT AWAY WITH BUSH
Good luck to the crew – they deserve to be unionized on this show.
The Biggest Loser brand brings in 100′s of millions of dollars. I hope the union recognizes the blood, sweat, and tears of this crew. I hope they get the benefits and pay they deserve and that the douche-tastic talentless hacks AKA 3 Ball is forced to pay up. The true talent behind that company left years ago – and they are now Tijuana – Troy Searer and John Foy.
You have to be on drugs if you think Troy and Jon were ever the force behind anything. 3Ball keeps producing hits, but what is Tijuana making? Come on!
sounds like a post from Tijuana….they got a lot going on….not.
3 Ball seems to get kicked off a lot of shows . . . nice job they did on that Bravo fashion show – oh that’s right they don’t produce it anymore. KICKED OFF But that Dad Camp is a hit oh I mean was oh I mean not at all it didn’t get picked up. BTW – How anyone can think it is unfair that a crew wants benefits and to be paid for their long hours . . . how dare they!?!?!?
Your post is so intelligent. You must work for TJ. What do they do again? Cheap rip offs? i heard TJ steals everything. Have the two owners ever come up with one actual idea that they were able to execute.
I used to work for 3 Ball Productions so this news doesn’t surprise me one bit. Bunch of hacks…it’s well-known that they steal the ideas of their shows and treat their employees like dirt.
Sounds like you must not be very good at what you do if 3Ball let you go. I work over there now and this place is amazing. Good luck finding a job.
Finding a job that paid more for less/easier work after my stint at 3 Ball was no challenge at all, for your information.
So what do you do now for a job? Looks like you were looking for an easy job. Your skills must not be very good or you would have moved up the ladder. Sit back and do less to get paid more. Sounds like you are a perfect union member.
That’s probably whey they are doing well over there. You left!
Wanna Be — Sounds like you are willing to be a 3Ball Whore. Does 3Ball pay you Healthcare to work on their crappy shows? Doubt it. If you are on a union show you get more than a paycheck — you get Healthcare, Pension, Overtime Compensation and Night Pay Bump. Nothing 3Ball offers.
And stop bragging so much that you work in a “great place.” 3Ball is a mindless factory that puts out Ass Crap. They ruined Master Chef, show was a hit in England. It’s a factory of mindless drones who are happy getting a simple (average) day rate, and access to a Latte machine and what else? A 3Ball Tote Bag? We will unionize your show and boot you from the company you slacker.
Just because a show brings in “hundreds of millions of dollars” does NOT mean those dollars should go to the crew. Did anyone on the crew think of the show or how to produce it? No. They were hired to do their job, just like everyone else in America. Everyone out here thinks they’re so entitled to make as much money as the people who generated their job in the first place. Sorry folks, do your fucking job or someone else will. You’re not entitled to profits just because it makes a ton of money. Because you know what, all the shows that fail and go down after a season or two and lose millions of dollars dont ask you to retroactively give back some of your pay do they?? NO, they pay you to drive your truck or put makeup on or whatever. Stop bitching unless you want to be a true profit participant and start creating your own shows, taking all the risk and reaping the rewards.
What is this all about? All they want are basics, like health care. Jeez, take an ambien.
Hey Bill-
Sorry that this post took you away from watching hannity, o’reilly, or any other shitbagger neocon propaganda that your feeble mind obviously subscribes to. When will you arrogant bastards stop commenting on things that you know nothing about? I work on the show, which is basically a 2 hr commercial hawking products that pay for the show. There is no investment by any producer, period. All they do is take credit for the crew’s hard work, which is our investment in the venture!!! The least these greedy bastards can do is provide a pension for those of us working 60 hr weeks making them rich. Did I mention that there is a cruise line, a resort, food products, dvds, and a wii game, all of which these overpaid turds could convert to paying the union dues, and still have millions to spare. But you’re not listening, because your head is firmly planted up big business’ ass. Its quite ironic, given that the wealthy minority depend on schmucks like you to spread their bullshit and increase their already inflated profit. What is too much? When the divide between have and have not erupts into a full-scale revolution. Hopefully then, it will be your blood spilling into the streets you ignorant asshole!!!
Very funny, Dude.
I’m sure the producers were surprised. And by that I mean, “How dare they ask for fair compensation and benefits. We planned to screw them forever. What a surprise this is.”
Go IATSE!
Worst working conditions + 3 Ball is greedy and cheap
Sounds like you are really well educated. No wonder your name is BL vet. You were probably let go for your lack of competent work.
Let’s hope the show can avoid efforts to unionize. The unions in this industry are unnecessary parasites, especially IATSE and the Teamsters. The level of demand for the actual skill and quality of labor provided is astounding. All these unions do is protect the mediocre and sub-mediocre.
Spoken like a true producer. Go look into the eyes and faces of the people you let go. To you it is a machine. Good luck with your conscience, you will live with this decision forever.
Who the hell do you think you are?
hey where were you born, the average, mediocre, and submediocre are the ones doing these jobs. are you a part of wallyworld, it sounds like it.
See above, but unions are NECESSARY to protect the job of the hard worker from the hands of the greedy corporations who want to get as much done for as little as possible. What kind of asshole are you?
Go try and create your own existence. I bet you can’t. You will always have to live off the success of others and then take it out on them. Sounds like you are quite jealous. It’s ok, a lot of union people are and feel they should get paid for the high risk that others take. Good luck parasite.
This leads to a mediocre and sub-mediocre workforce. Not a good thing if you are interested in economic growth and competitiveness.
And yet, everyone cheers on Peter Jackson for exploiting New Zealand crews and nearly fighting their attempts to unionize?
How is this any different?
Attention WGA: This is how you get things done.
You’ll never see a WGA official walk in and lead “story producers” out en masse. When the ‘Top Model’ writers went on strike, the WGA threw them under the bus.
When I was “story producing” (writing scripts) on ARREST & TRIAL, a non-union crime reality show (Dick Wolf, BTW) several years ago, the DGA and the Teamsters all marched on set and closed things down until they each got a contract. All the WGA did was have us take “secret meetings” for weeks where people boasted about what we were going to do, and then never did a thing. I was willing to have us erase every script about to go into production, which would have crippled the show (it aired five days a week so the turnaround was insane). But nobody had the stones to go through with it.
This is why writers continue to be treated badly. Too many us do nothing but bitch and whine while never doing anything about it.
If anyone would like to take issue with this, have at it. But if you post your comment without using your REAL NAME, you’ll have proven my point.
Been there and done that and I don’t take issue with a single word of your statement, Tom.
Sounds to me like reality folks need to start knocking on the door of IA or the Teamsters now that the WGA’s focus has shifted to organizing videogame writers.
Tom, great post. And yep- I’ve said that over and over. The people to blame are the WGA and its members who looked down on reality TV writers even though we wrote more than our sit-com counterpoints. In sit-com you have a month to write a script and a team of writers with you. In reality- you are lucky to get a week alone.
WGA caused all of this. Not to mention all the money they lost by doing nothing. Both in dues and in the fact there are less scripted as reality is cheaper to do- because of the refusal to back the writers.
And look- its my real name!
This is greed pure and simple. I hope that the fat cat producers can look in the mirror on their day of reckoning. If they can, they better remember that God doesn’t take American Express and he won’t give a F!@#$ about screen credits. Life is short. Do the right thing while you can.
Greed from both sides. Wouldn’t it be nice for everyone to work and get along. Seems like with success no one can get along. Sad really. I would be happy to have a job in this economy. Especially one that has been going for 10 season….rare.
I have to agree. It would be nice if both sides put what was right by people first, things would be nicer. The world would be a much better place.
Does the union pay you by the post or by the amount of mindless sanctimony?
Really? You don’t care about people? Unions protect the rights of the working individual, forming a buffer between the worker and big business. Treat workers fairly, and you don’t need a union. What kind of asshole are you?
Flawed logic again WTF. Saying that unless you support unions you don’t care about people is ludicrous. We have laws to protect the rights of employees. Why do we need unions? And just because people don’t agree with you doesn’t make them assholes.
for the record, at least on shows my company produces, I can tell you that no one on these shows is NOT paid union or scale wages. in fact, they’re paid far more than that. you cannot book good crew people (editors, shooters, story people) and not pay them prevailing rates. they simply won’t work for you as there’s far too much competition out there.
I had a show get flipped once (the arrogance of the union in acting like we were raking in millions while forcing everyone to work 100 hour weeks for $500 flat was too much) and across the board, everyone was paid well more than union minimums for those jobs. most of my team didn’t want to go union, but they waived the dues to join and it was a foregone conclusion. and, of course, they flip you right in the middle of production when they know it fucks you over on your budget and your schedule.
yes, it’s true, they were not getting paid H&W contributions and it didn’t count toward their health benefits. but, literally, jobs which called for an $850 per week minimum were getting $1500 per week from us when I compared the rates.
I’m not interested in working people to death or paying them substandard wages. the cheapest PA rate on our shows these days is $700/week and that’s for people just starting out who don’t know a grip from a gaffer or how to create an Excel spreadsheet. and they get paid for 6th or 7th days and yes, they get OT or meal penalties, too, if applicable.
we’re all under incredible, relentless pressure from the networks to bring our budgets down and I can promise you that if we were forced to go union on all of our shows, the rates would come down across the board on what we could pay people (we’d still be higher than minimums) to accommodate the H&W. maybe there’s less budgetary pressure on those big ass network shows, but I’m not doing those right now, anyway.
All reality shows need not go union, but we are talking about 10 seasons, a network show, in prime time with rating consistently in the top 40. Enough is enough. Right is right.
Wow! Tell me what reality production company you head up I want to send you my resume because you are the only one in the biz who is not taking advantage of reality crews. The rates have lowered through the years and hours have increased. 12 hour days with only a half hour lunch break is the norm. Prodcos don’t want talented people they want warm bodies who will do it for the low rate (hence producer/shooters and preditors). Yes we have laws that are supposed to protect us but they don’t. Line producers work around laws by filling out our timecards and paying “dayrates” which are not reported as “dayrates.” Have you seen a reality crew timecard/paystub? Does it reflect the true hours worked? Never! What about safety in the workplace? How many of us have been driven in a pass van with no seat belts by an 18 year old with a Kentucky license? Why is a PA in reality allowed to drive the van, set up 2k+ watts of lighting, hang lights, carry cameras, etc but on a TV or film set, you have 5 experienced people handling those same roles? The laws are not enough we need some representation on set and in the field just like every other industry in this country has.
I can recall being on location as a story producer and being asked to drive the cargo van with the camera and lighting kits in it to a location over 100 miles away because the PA’s and crew had decided to ride together in the passenger van before I arrived at the production office at the scheduled departure time.
Union rules are a fine way to ensure that everyone does what they do and don’t end up doing half of someone else’s job.
Anybody remember the nonunion driver from 51 minds who killed two people and sent two more to the hospital on Rock of Love?
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/news/article_1434096.php/VH1_Rock_of_Love_production_halted_due_to_double_fatality_wreck
has anyone died on a union show. Yes. Vic Morrow and 2 small children. Nice job Union members. How about Brandon Lee. Sad.
Sounds like you’re a good boss. Keep up the good work!
These reality shows are sweatshops for everyone involved, except the owners. Go IATSE!
If they don’t like it, find another job.
Maybe the crew would like to be like millions of other unemployed people desperately trying to find work and not being able to be hired by even walmart or mcd. Unions have for the past 30 years been successful at driving out all jobs to Asia. The US is in the process of being colonized by these countries because of the microscopic labor rates; entertainment is the only product left in America and I’m sure that will change soon if unions are not expired.
A list is available of at least a thousand experienced crew workers ready to take the jobs of the workers that walked out.
Corporations sense of national pride should be greater than their need for profits. Jobs go overseas because CORPORATIONS DON’T CARE! Unions don’t drive jobs out of the USA — greedy corporations do! Get your facts right. What kind of asshole are you?
Get a new tag-line.
No, jobs leave the country because the leadership and the policies they institute make moving to other cuntries more attractive. Keep creating a demon out of businesses and watch them leave.
To Breadline — you can have your own opinion but not facts:
Unions are not the problem, but rather the shrinking ruling oligarchy is
enslaving the rest of us, including you ‘Breadline’:
Workers Unite!!!!!!!!!
In the United States, wealth is highly concentrated in a relatively few hands. As of 2007, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 34.6% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19% (the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 50.5%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 85%, leaving only 15% of the wealth for the bottom 80% (wage and salary workers). In terms of financial wealth (total net worth minus the value of one’s home), the top 1% of households had an even greater share: 42.7%. Table 1 and Figure 1 present further details drawn from the careful work of economist Edward N. Wolff at New York University (2010).
Anonymous,
What your study fails to report is that people in America move between these income brackets all the time. The people at the bottom 10 years ago are not the same people at the bottom today and vice versa.
All you guys who want this worker’s paradise should move to Europe. Go to Greece. I hear it’s great over there. Everything is covered, fair wages and no chance of upward mobility for all.
Unions need to go the way of the dodo. It’s an outdated concept. Sweatshops? Are you guys serious? The producer above is absolutely right. If you want decent crew, union or not, you gotta pay. People don’t work for $2 an hour. Unions and their supporters have no grasp or clue about economics. Every producer is a “fat cat”. Every crew person is some exploited urchin. The world isn’t some Charles Dickens novel.
And hey, instead of beating up on the “rich” why don’t you get off your asses and take some risks? Work for free for years on your own show and if you are talented and have good people/business skills you will find yourself on the other side of the negotiating table one day. That’s the beauty of America. Stop trying to wreck that.
The American Dream = (some sort of intelligence) + (a little prescience) + (a lot of hard work) + (luck)
If you don’t get lucky, you won’t be living the American Dream and will be stuck in the labor class. As long as there are corporations which put their profits above their workers, unions are necessary. When we all start caring about each other more than we care about money, unions can go away. What kind of an asshole are you?
Businesses don’t exist to provide healthcare, pensions or rainbows in the sky for the worker. They exist to make a profit. And the pursuit of profit brings us all the luxuries we take for granted.Businesses CHOOSE to provide things like benefits and higher wages to attract good quality workers.
best comment on the board
WRONG BRAD – In US, unlike other Western Developed Nations, Healthcare is TIED TO EMPLOYMENT. Most Americans get their Healthcare through their Union or the Employer. You can’t simply go “buy” your own Healthcare, not a real policy that will cover you when you are sick and won’t have $5000 deductibles.
The Union IATSE Healthcare plan is one of the best in the country. And it is what the BL Crew members deserve for their Hardwork. 3Ball pays NO HEALTHCARE to it’s employees. And JD Roth drives a Mazerati!
Hey JD — Sign with AY-AT_ZEE (IATSE) and SELL THE MAZERATI!
Greed.
Looks like it’s by the post.
And with a National GDP of 14 trillion dollars that remaining 15% leaves those ‘bottom’ 80% American better off than 95% of the rest of the FREAKING world.
False argument. ‘Poor’ Americans live in luxury compared to ‘middle class’ Europeans, Africans, or Asians.
Good thing most Americans don’t have to live in a place where the median home price is $380,000.
I’d live in Europe and work here, but the morning commute would be a bear.
Just dont get sick or stop working 12 hrs a day
Amen, Tom.
Yeah, and how much harder does that top 1% work on average than everyone else.
I make a comfortable living making about $50k/year between my wife and myself (she is part time, we live in a very rural place). But I work 8 hours a day, and no more. When I go home at night, I don’t keep working for my job. I don’t get calls at 2 am that I need to take because it is my job. So while I feel I work hard, I don’t work nearly as hard as a lot of people who make a lot more than me. And I am OK with that.
Frankly, some people put so little effort into their jobs that even at minimum wage, they are overpaid.
Excellent point, Matt. Do I think a lot of CEOs and board members are overpaid? Of course. However, a lot of CEOS (not nearly as many corporate board members) work 80 hour days and are required to make really important decisions (that can affect shareholders). And, if the stock price goes down a lot and/or the board wants a change, that CEO can be fired. The average municipal worker works a standard 9-5 and some overtime. And, it’s almost impossible to fire a union member. I don’t think that just because a toll booth collector has worked 15 years at his/her job, he/she should be making 100 grand plus health benefits and collect a pension (of half of his salary) from 60 till he/she dies.
“However, a lot of CEOS…work 80 hour days.”
I think with this you just blew your whole argument.”
Really? Because they accidentally said day instead of week they blew their whole argument? You are actually too dumb to be on any forum.
This is a prime time show on it’s tenth session. The greed of the producers of this show is unparalleled We all must unite to force 3Ball to take care of the people who have taken of them for the last 10 years.This is a franchise show that makes hundred of millions of dollars shame on NBC&3Ball Production. Thanks Wag
Hey smart guy –
Just reading this post proves you have no idea what you’re talking about. Now go back and do some fact checking. Good luck.
Fire them and pay the new crew more money than the current one is earning. Two sharp sticks in the eye.
u must have health insurance
The Biggest Losers: Unions
UNIONS ARE KILLING THE BIZ. IA? TEAMSTERS AND ESPECIALLY SAG. WHAT A JOKE.
What a dumb comment. We’ve had unions in Hollywood since the 1920s. Ronald Reagan was president of SAG!
Hollywood is a FREELANCE business so you need trade unions so people can moves from show to show, project to project, and still get HEALTHCARE! We need more union work and that’s why we WILL Unionize Biggest Loser.
I hope the workers get what they want- union coverage is typically far more beneficial to workers in the long run than not.
But wasn’t the IATSE one of the major unions fighting the WGA when the WGA went on strike a few years ago, arguing that they were selfish to put everyone out of work?
How times have changed.
Say what you want about unions, but the real issue here will be that the networks will have to fork over a lot more money per episode. Reality shows will become too expensive to produce…..maybe that’s a good thing.
Yes you are saying the same thing from the otherside: the working class group has been reduced because of the exit of manufacturing jobs which paid a family wage, import quotas were lifted 30 yrs ago and these
jobs were forced out; and yes the exploiters of the operations are not on what you describe the wealthier classes by exploitation of the labor class. People think the economy is going to get
better; this is just the start of the end of that transition of living on borrowed money; no manufacturing base to sustain an economy.
I can appreciate those making humorous films
haha.
The comment from S points out that if Unions continue to Rule Uber Alles like Geroge Soros Rules then all of Hollywood will soon be shipped to China.
Greedy Unions drive business out of the country then complain about how they make no money, then are no jobs.
In any case; Hollywood is evil greedy so I am delighted the industry will be shipped to China where the Workers of the World are all uniting!
Why single out the prod. cos like 3Ball, when it seems to me that NBC should be the one to pony up the cash for one of their top shows (for years!) I’m sure their scripted shows are union, why not
The Biggest Loser?
I have mixed feelings about unions and I used to work for a couple of them.
I do not think the workers should have walked off the set if the workers never spoke to the producers about going union.
Walking off the set costs money and if these workers wanted a raise, they just lost a good chunk of available money for it by walking off.
In most circumstances, walking off the set is grounds for immediate termination.
I don’t think this is about a raise