Kevin Smith lost some cred with indie distributors last night when he hosed the teams that came to the premiere of Red State looking for an acquisitions title. Instead, they were subjected to a bogus auction that opened and closed with his $20 bid and announcement he would self distribute. Before he got to this sham climax, Smith spent 15 minutes shitting all over those buyers in the crowd, the ones watching films all day and pulling all-nighters to broker deals. His rant made Smith seem like a tortured, angry guy.
Smith introduced the film with a vulgar opening monologue, low-lighted by a spectacularly tasteless joke made at the expense of the young female producer standing next to him. After the movie, Smith reappeared. Wearing a hockey jersey, he introduced Wayne Gretzky’s stick, for some reason. Despite this hockey-themed beginning, Smith was oblivious to the fact we all simply wanted him to drop the puck and get on with the auction. Instead, Smith launched into his 15-minute long diatribe that betrayed a misunderstanding of the indie theatrical distribution game. He gave a simplistic and incorrect evaluation of the business model. Smith said if he sold his $4 million Red State, a distributor would need to pay $20 million in P&A, and would then need to gross more than twice that $24 million just to recoup (Smith seemed to forget that P&A triggers ancillary revenues that often provide the profit margin). He made it all sound shady.
Following the “auction,’ buyers and their teams filed out of this Twilight Zone episode while Smith discussed his distribution plans and how he’d shun the press and rely on his Twitter and podcast following. He even showed off sneakers he successfully hawks on his sites to prove his economic viability. It was a little like LeBron James’s “I’m taking my talents to South Beach spectacle,” if instead of James, the player involved was the 10th man on the bench. Smith, who showed us a sale-able movie last night, could simply have said he wanted to try a new business model and everybody would have been on his side. That subversive strategy worked in last year’s Sundance pic, Exit Through the Gift Shop. Nobody begrudged its success. Buyers could have skipped the screening and 100 seats would have been there for moviegoers who wanted to see Smith’s new film, his first in the horror genre.
Buyers I spoke to were annoyed Smith wasted their time, and offended that he belittled what they consider to be an honorable business, gambling millions of dollars and working tirelessly to launch new filmmakers and hopefully turn a profit. As Harvey Weinstein once did when he took a chance on Smith’s Clerks.
“He stole two hours and insulted every one of us,” said one prominent buyer. “We were told this was an acquisition title, we all brought our teams. We could have spent that time evaluating some other movie. Kevin didn’t acknowledge that we are the ones risking capital acquiring films and putting up P&A, not him, and he didn’t understand how our business works, at all. He was a little like the twisted preacher Michael Parks played in his film. It became life imitating art.”






“Smith seemed to forget that P&A triggers ancillary revenues that often provide the profit margin.”
Interesting, I didn’t know that. Can somebody explain how that works?
… as in pumping up visibility for a title for DVD, TV, VOD et al windows…
Explanation: Have you ever said to yourself “I’ll wait till DVD” when seeing the trailer or TV ad for a film? There you go.
Well, no, but *the only reason anyone has ever *heard* of a given film/DVD/etc. is *because* of the frigging Advertising (the A in P&A).
And Smith can try trading on his twitter following, email list, whatever. More power to him.
And Smith is mostly right that a *lot* of money gets inappropriately skimmed off by film industry intermediaries. So more power to him on that too.
But the ugly truth is that Hollywood is a powerful, amoral machine that is constructed to maximize its leverage to make sure that the current business model remains the current business model.
Self distribution would be wonderful (and someday might occur) but here is what it is really up against.
Say you owned a chain of theaters.
Which film would you risk your cash flow on?
The one which had an advertising budget of 5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50 million dollars – or the one using a Smith-sized (or much smaller) twitter list?
The film which is part of a machine which will supply you with product week after week, month after month, year after year – or the one-off that will piss off the very machine you need to keep your own exhibition machine alive?
That is what Smith (and sub-Smiths especially) face.
That is why “artists” (good, bad, and otherwise) get shredded (or, more commonly, co-opted) by Hollywood.
The “machine” is a vital cog in a “system” which it has designed – and which throws off billions in dollars upon which millions of people depend.
Until arty indies have *all* the pieces in place (*some* competitive level of advertising, *some* plausible source of *continuous*, reliable supply) the arty indies will continue to be shredded (or, much more realistically, utterly ignored) by the Hollywood machine.
That is *why* things are the way they are.
Now, does anybody want to do anything actually useful and,
1) Start up a well-financed indie advertising firm?
2) Start up an “honest”, well-run indie distribution firm? (See #1)
Okay, so he’s the poster child for suppositories. But he managed to get coverage on the industry’s leading news source, didn’t he?
“His rant made Smith seem like a tortured, angry guy.”
Non-PC rewrite: His rant proved once again Smith is a tortured, angry guy.
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I was just looking for a pic from the presentation of the tube Kevin Smith uses to blow smoke up his own ass.
That would take a lot of smoke or a really good FX person.
someone made the point that if he does the roadshow, then a half decent theatrical run, then goes the edward burns route via itunes (which apparently is working pretty well for burns) then smith is likely to prove a point here, and turn a tidy profit.
he will only need to get to fairly high single figures – in this scenario, that’s doable.
Fleming, you’re mistaken if it sounds like Kevin Smith has imploded. Rather, it seems that you’ve have jumped the that dangerous line all journalists seem to straddle; that of thinking their opinion actually matters. Thus, you Mr. Fleming sound like a very bitter, if not downright jealous, person. You wish you were a filmmaker like Kevin Smith, with all his deficiences, but instead you’re just a “journalist.”
Relax, Kevin.
If I recall, Kevin Smith has basically said that his ambition for the remainder of his life is to smoke a lot of weed and do whatever he wants artistically.
So, you know. This is hardly a surprise. Smith has generated enough fans over his career to stay well-fed and smoking with only a minimum of work, and has no real incentive to work for anyone but himself again. It’s a new model of celebrity producer, and one he’s very much the pioneer of – be extremely beloved to a small number of people.
While his method was rude, I admire his decision to self-distribute. It’s ballsy, and it’s nice to see a filmmaker put his money where his mouth is (insert obesity joke here). I’m not a huge fan of his, but I like some of his films enough to root for him.
Kevin wants to be treated with respect. Critics, distributors treated him like crap for so long. Im sure people will help him. But he will control the strings.
How exactly has he been treated like crap from critics and distributors?
I like several Kevin Smith films and had considered myself a huge fan of his until recent years when I learned that I’m far to objective to be a Kevin Smith fan. And even though I eat up Kevin Smith news, I can honestly say he’s overrated and overhyped by the media. Distributors treat him like crap? When was this? As far as I know he’s had a theaterical release of every film he’s ever directed in his career. And the distributors have marketed the shit out of all those films. Can other filmmakers say the same?
He’s been treated as good as can be expected, and better than most by critics and distribs alike. If it’s still not good enough, more power to him for taking more control of the process but to say he’s been treated like crap is absolutely ridiculous.
-Martin Kelley
I love this concept that poor Kevin has been picked on by Hollywood. You can fit all of box office totals inside the total for My Big Fat Greek Wedding but Nia Vardalos has gotten much less work and certainly much less attention over the years. And there are many legit film directors who have made big money making films that have struggled over the years. The fact is Kevin Smith is one of the luckiest people on earth and he stills whines like a little girl every chance he gets.
All those buyers should have been at Elite Squad 2 premiere—-believe me, their time would not have been wasted. I maybe biased—–but anyone wanting a chance to actually see and/or buy a great film would have been better served at ES2. —-….
How does this talentless slob continue to find work? he thinks he’s much bigger than he really is, which is saying something!
Also go back and take another look at clerks, it fucking sucked!
Didn’t he just shot himself in the foot, or mouth? What an insult to anyone who’s trying to get their script read, BY ANYONE, or produced film seen BY ANYONE. How would he have felt if some angry guy who got a spot at Sundance crapped all over the buyers who NEVER GOT A CHANGE to see “Clerks”? Hope he knows what he’s doing.
Why wouldn’t he let the reviewers who could actually help him with his self distribution see this thing? They said it was good enough for Sale.
AND why bother with wasting the time of the powers that be? So you could waste their time?
Congrats.
Between this and his whining about the critical reaction to Cop Out followed by a threat to make critics pay to see his movies with everyone else, I’m sick of Kevin Smith.
Can someone explain to how P&A can produce ancillary revenue comparable to the theatrical gross? Not dismissing it, but it seems like a stretch to me.
Meaning that all the advertising associated with a theatrical release pays big dividends by the time a film hits ancillary markets like VOD and DVD relative to a film (Like “Step Off” releasing March 15th on DVD) that hasn’t had a theatrical window to help raise the audience’s awareness of the title.
That’s what that means.
-MK
Smith didn’t take a fee to write, direct or edit the flick. His actors and crew took cut rates just to work on it with him and it was done in record time. Todd McCarthy just gave it a good review, so the movie can’t be all bad. It’s a bold experiment, but if this flick grosses anything north of $20M in release, he’ll be considered a genius. If I were Smith, I’d be worried about that release date. A midweek start, after the release of the ‘Footloose’ remake and 2 days before ‘Contagion 3D’ and ‘Paranormal Activity 3′.
“Critics, distributors treated him like crap for so long” aw, boo hoo. The big Hollywood bullies won’t stop picking on him! Waaaaaa. That’s the biz, buddy. You either put on your big boy pants and deal with it, or you go home. Looks like he’s going home. And that’s just hilarious. The guy is SO overrated anyway. One good movie does not a talented filmmaker make. All he’s done since then is create personal drama for himself and play victim both in the industry and in his personal life. He’s a douchebag loser. The end.
RE Amanda Kiwinerd.
In addition to “Go make your own movie” I think we should add “Waaaaaa” and “put on your big boy pants and deal with it” as the last cry of the desperate and unhinged. (although to be fair, 99% of everyone talks crap about film really couldn’t make one to save their life. But still…)
I don;t like kevin Smith at all, however, I do know several people who have worked with Bruce Willis and EVERY SINGLE ONE of them has said pretty much the same thing about him. he is an unbelievable a-hole
The buyers have a legit beef. The online critics caterwauling over this whole mess (starting long before last eve) on the other hand is 100% theatre of the absurd. These guys accusing Smith of having thin skin after their behavior of late is some kind of modern classic of irony.
Let me get this straight: Kevin Smith has basically decided that the current model for indie film distribution is broken, and that he’d rather self-distribute than use the current model. He organizes a publicity-grabbing screening to publicly declare the fact that he has no further use for the traditional players in speciality film acquisition and distribution…
…and then Mike breathlessly reports that the traditional players in specialty film acquisition and distribution are annoyed and offended that apparently Kevin Smith has no further use for them. Oh, so a few acquisitions had a few of their precious hours wasted? I’m heartbroken for them.
Good for Kevin Smith for trying out new models. Sure, he lost his credibility with a certain segment of the independent film ACQUISITIONS community, but he has plenty of credibility with actual independent FILMMAKERS and more importantly, with AUDIENCES.
Maybe this “Red State” thing will thrive with this experiment, maybe not. At the end of the day audiences win when people like Smith explore new methods and models of pairing films and audiences.
What is up with this joker? Is he on crack or does he have this career death wish he wants to solidify asap?
Before the auction on Twitter, Smith was denying rumors that the film had already been sold. How can anyone take this liar seriously?
Also, the film is getting some decent reviews. Most are saying it’s not perfect, but something to see for sure. Check out the AP review, as well as /Film.
Ricky wannabe.
Kevin Smith was always a hack. Now he’s an angry hack. No doubt his rant was more entertaining than anything he’s ever put on film.
I’ve been trying to figure out what happened to Kevin Smith for a long time now, and it just isn’t worth it. The man made some good movies once upon a time–I happen to be a huge fan of Chasing Amy–but suddenly his desire to just be “Kevin Smith” destroyed him. His university and stand-up tours are hysterical, but his ego has wrecked any ambition he had at making good movies. He’d much rather be “one of the boys” and hang around Jason Mewes and Scott Moser and get stoned.
I personally think Kevin Smith would be a much happier person had he just become a blogger or a stand up comedian or something like that, because filmmaking seems to have taken a back seat to him just wanting to be a recognizable personality. And if you read interviews with him, such as his piece in the New York Times on his favorite film, A Man For All Seasons, the guy is fucking smart. He could make a film like A Man For All Seasons if he wanted to–but unfortunately, he won’t. and it’s a loss for us to see a once great talent waste away.
Kevin Smith is many things. Robert Bolt he ain’t.
He’s doing exactly what he should be doing with this film: getting hundreds of thousands of dollars in free press (traditional and social) and tying in to his existing live tour business model.
He pulled a fun and clever film together quickly with a great cast. As for the bigshot hollywood distribs who had their precious PC time wasted, who cares? The festival does go on past the first weekend…
A lot of these buyers sound like they still think it’s 1999 and filmmakers desperately want (and need) a big bloated P&A release that they will never see a dime on. Documentary filmmakers have been doing what Smith is doing with considerable success – nothing wrong with taking a different approach in a business where “nobody knows anything”.
What is “PC” about not wasting people’s time. When did sheer courtesy become “PC?”
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