From Ray Richmond, who is contributing to Deadline Hollywood’s TCA coverage:
In the final executive session of the TCA confab in Pasadena on Saturday morning, FX president and GM John Landgraf acknowledged that he’s disappointed in the ratings for the premiere last week of the network’s latest drama series — the boxing-themed Lights Out — and continued to do post-mortems on the demise of Terriers but he remains undaunted going forward, stressing, “We’ve had six critically acclaimed shows and four ratings successes, one failure and one unknown. You can’t bat .1000 in this business. That’s just the way it is.”
Landgraf cautioned that it’s far too early to dismiss Lights Out as a failure after just a single airing. “It was tremendously acclaimed. We’re disappointed by the premiere ratings, but we’ll be running it as planned. There’s (rarely) been a scripted series on television about boxing, and this is a very good one…(But) no matter how good the show is, the question is, ‘Are they somebody’s first choice? Are they good enough to overcome massive competition in the marketplace?’ I can’t tell you what will happen over he next 12 weeks. Premieres are very important, but shows also find audiences over time. We’ll just have to wait and see.”
“Maybe we should have made a show about a zombie or a sexy vampire trying to regain the heavyweight title of the world,” he quipped, referring to the runaway ratings success of two other cable series, AMC’s Walking Dead and HBO’s True Blood.
What went wrong? Landgraf pointed to the ever-increasing competition that makes it tougher and tougher for a new series to get sampled, much less bust out from the pack. “I looked at the tracking data. In January and February, there are 18 new original series premiering on cable. There are another 18 returning series launching on cable, and 16 new and returning series launching on broadcast networks. That’s 52 original series premiering in January and February in all. It’s an intensely crowded field. You have to think about that competitive environment…On the night Lights Out premiered, The Game on BET did an absolutely historic number…Getting traction with something new and something different has gotten devilishly hard.”
In the case of Terriers, Landgraf said he’s spent a lot of money doing elaborate studies of why the show didn’t catch on. Some suspected it had something to do with a marketing and promo campaign that misidentified the show’s tone, featuring a snarling dog. “Did we fail from a marketing standpoint? We just don’t know. But it’s become tougher and tougher to find a slot to wiggle through if you’re trying to make something competitively excellent, and different, that isn’t just designed to be noisy and shocking.”
In other news, Landgraf noted that the new comedy Wilfred starring Elijah Wood will launch Thursdays this summer in the slot following the second season of the Louis C.K. comedy Louie, and that a drama based on the indie superhero comic Powers is still alive, with a third writer having been brought in to take a crack at the script. He also pointed out in his opening remarks that the sports comedy The League had shown “improved and excellent ratings” in its second season and that a third season will get picked up “if negotiations prove successful. And I’m confident they will.”
Despite the ratings challenges for FX’s last pair of original series, Landgraf isn’t discouraged. “I’m actually excited,” he said. “It’s like, OK, it’s a tougher environment, we’ve got to jump higher, jump farther, have more commercial noisy-ness. Let’s go to it. I think with our next batch of projects we put on, we’ll have some big successes. We’re coming up now on 10 years (since FX premiered its first original drama The Shield). We can’t win ‘em all but we’ve got a pretty good batting average. We’ve learned to absorb the lessons of failure and continue to drive forward and grow…We have to try to continue to take big creative risks.”


This is actually a pretty decent show, but the competition is quite large, especially beginning next week once the broadcast networks return to regular programming. I think where FX made their mistake, was with a winter premiere. Should have gone late spring IMO.
I hope this show finds an audience. Stacy Keach needs to be on my television screen.
Stopped watching FX when Nip/Tuck ended. The Shield & Rescue Me started to go down the tubes w/ their stories. Dennis Leary ruined that show & started out great.
The comedies r not funny & the biker drama show is a yawn.
Save ur energy fixing up FOX (sister station).
Yeah, The League is a terrible show.
Comedy is sooo subjective. I think The League is the funniest show on TV.
the league is hands down funniest show on tv! unless maybe you didnt have any friends or fun in high school.
This guy Landgraf has nothing to worry about. F/X has a really nice brand that has a lot of credibility from Nip/Tuck, all these years after it debuted, that was picked up by Rescue Me. Credibility amongst the casual viewer/serious fan like myself.
That said, the problem with Terriers and Lights Out, BOTH of which shows I really enjoy, is that, much like on the movie side, the audience, often because of the Internet, behaves/watches like children/teenagers. You need young shows that “pop,” or, hey, a show with 5 Betty Whites, age isn’t the issue, but the shows have to pop or they don’t make a dent in pop culture. They don’t get those episode recaps on sites like Gawker or Movieline where there are 500 comments. Shows like Gossip Girl, Jersey Shore, Real Housewives, even though more people are aware of G Girl than actually watch it, you have to make a dent in the pop culture landscape. Shows you talk about around the water cooler the way you do NFL programming. But neither Lights Out nor Terriers are that show. It needs hip, good-looking characters. Or humor. A boxing show, people are getting pounded in the face every day, give me some escapism, but not sci-fi geek escapism.
Duh! If you want a new series to succeed don’t air the show competing with established hits. I enjoyed Terriers – something a little different. Could have been promoted better by FX. We don’t need anymore zombies or vampires – so overdone.
If there’s any consistency in FX’s recent history it’s that the shows are above-average and they don’t find an audience – or to be more accurate, audiences don’t find them.
I don’t mean that they’re niche succeses or only have critical appeal, but that they hit all the buttons that every show team is trying to hit.
There’s a serious disconnect somewhere in there and the content isn’t the problem. FX is like a hobo wandering around with a thousand-dollar bill that no one is willing to break.
Lights out has serious potential. And anyone who says Sons of Anarchy is “a yawn” has not watched anything more than the pilot. Sons is second only to The Shield in terms of FX programing. Nip/Tuck was unwatchable after Season 3.
SOA is on of the top 10, if not top 5, shows on TV. Kurt Sutter is a genius. comparing it to NIP/TUCK which was flat out horrible the last 3 years is joke.
It feels like by focusing on only programming for males FX is leaving a lot of money on the table.
Lifetime can focus on women because they make up a larger part of the viewing audience for TV in general.
But everything FX does has to compete with the shrinking male demo that spends it’s time on the X-Box.
Landgraf is one of the smartest guys in the business. He has interesting if eclectic taste which usually means the shows he’s drawn too are too. They aren’t going to be everybody’s taste. Luckily most are mine. I like what they put on, no show on the network in the last five years has been less than watchable (the hit-or-miss Dirt which seemed to be finding its footing when it disappeared, to the odd, funny, well-acted Terriers) all the way up to incredible (Shield, Damages, It’s Always Sunny… Nip/Tuck the first three seasons.)
Give Lights Out a chance, it’s fascinating so far. I thought Anarchy started out slow too but it continued to get better and better with some extrodinary acting (who would have thought Katey Segal would be giving one of the best performances on television?)
Not everything hits out of the box. I just hope Mr. Landgraf keeps picking interesting, difficult series rather than shooting lower for bigger ratings.
I loved Terriers and thought that Lights Out was a great start.
What sort of ratings do shows need anyway to be viable? I mean with so much competition and all the distractions nowadays I’d imagine the ratings expectations would be tamed down a bit.
Anyway if they plan on cancelling the show I’d hope they give the writers enough time to at least tie up loose ends unlike Terriers
Who else would post about Landgraf being so great except Landgraf himself? No one else would have the motivation to go through the trouble to post about his resume aside from his mother.
Oh man. What a remarkable afternoon of spin by John. Yes, a smart guy, but to consider the network since 2001 as his is a bit of a stretch. One can give him credit for managing Sunny in Philadelphia (although he didn’t develop it) and Sons of Anarchy, but he also has to take credit for Over There, Damages, Dirt, The Riches, Justified, Archer, The League, Terriers, Light Out and if I can’t recall anything else, it must have been truly off the radar.
The problem with this spin is that it negates the ferociously loyal core audience that will tune in to FX programming that he’s not getting to sample the shows. The marketing has been mediocre for sure, but the series are truly off brand. They’re wannabe FX branded series but without an iota of social relevance inside their concepts and stories, they’re off brand.
Most of the shows that have gotten a shot at the network could have aired at another network as well. There was no way the early programming could have aired on another network less HBO. That’s the difference in all this. The concepts, the style, the writing, the execution have been below what we all expect. Maybe less is the answer. They seem to have gotten caught up with volume as opposed to quality and when you do that, everything gets effected. PR can’t really craft long lead press effectively because there’s too much. Marketing can’t continue to be the vision of a focused group because on air promos will crush you. A lack of diversity in formatting, whatever happened to those great movies and isn’t there a great long form piece to be had at that channel?
Leave comedy for those that understand it. Leave animation for those that understand it. Be must have and focused on your audience. Get some new executive blood in that shop and shake it up. Just feels sort of tired. Well intentioned, but tired. Bar was set high from day one and it’s been dropping precipitously.
Here, here. Although you also forgot Testes and Starved. And Thief, I think that goes on his list and not Kevin Reilly’s. Lucky was Reilly’s.
And let’s not forget: they let Breaking Bad get away.
I’m still mad at them for not putting Damages back on (other than to DirectTV customers) but in general agree w/the posters who give props to their overall track record, at least on the drama side. I’ve never watched an episode of The League,Archer, Louis CK..saw one or two Its Always Sunny ..not my thing..I agree with the poster who says that the male-skew tends to be a bit much, sometimes, and this is esp true of the comedies(i am female, obviously) But I like dark material…I am a big fan of Sons, I watch Justified, it’s not ‘oh I can’t wait’ but it’s good; have Lights Out on the dvr..but I do feel that the past hits–Rescue Me, The Shield, Nip/Tuck (first 3 seasons)Damages (grrr) had a bit more ‘want to see’ factor I’d like to see them try something tonally more mixed like Rescue Me and more female-skewing. Like a Nurse Jackie could work for them, for ex.A superhero comic doesn’t really excite me, personally, but I get the temptation to throw something like that on for the reasons jamesshefsky cited–the’water cooler’ factor. Anyway, definitely too soon to pronounce LIGHTS a hit or miss for sure.
Terriers was a good show. The jury is out on Lights Out. That said, Landgraf is hands-down the smartest network president in town. He is an absolute pleasure to work for; challenging, respectful, and insightful in his guidance.
They’re on their THIRD showrunner with POWERS? Might be time to call it quits and say that while NYPD Blue with Superheroes is a great idea for comics it’s impossible to do as a series without looking mawkish and absurd. Brian Bendis’ voice works great in comics but translating his dialogue to TV exposes the flaws and derivative nature of the source material. It’s bedn two full development cycles for this show now and you get tge sense that all FX is doing is keeping this off the market. They clearly have no intention of spending the $10million you need to do the pilot right.
From Jan.2002 to Dec.2011 will have aired 22 shows. Only 5 will have reached 4 seasons and only 8 will have reached 3 seasons. Plus Rescue Me will be ending in September and Always Sunny likely will end this year or next. Outside a handful of shows they can’t attract or keep audiences, which is too bad.
The Shield 2002–2008
Lucky 2003 canceled
Nip/Tuck 2003–2010
Rescue Me 2004-2011
Over There 2005 canceled
Starved 2005 canceled
It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia 2005-
30 Days 2005–2008 canceled
Black. White. 2006 canceled
Thief 2006 canceled
Damages 2007–2010 canceled/gone to DirecTV
Dirt 2007–2008 canceled
The Riches 2007–2008 canceled
Sons of Anarchy 2008-
Testees 2008 canceled
The League 2009-
Archer 2010-
Justified 2010-
Louie 2010-
Terriers 2010 canceled
Lights Out 2011-
Wilfred 2011-
Jesus, how does Nick Grad still have a job?
If you’re going to try and use those statistics to back up an argument like that, don’t manipulate them so blatantly!
If we’re talking of shows between 2002 and the present day that have reached 3 or more seasons, you have to discount all of the renewed shows that have not had a chance to reach that figure (i.e. all newish, renewed shows). So that removes Wilfred, Lights Out, Louie, Justified, Archer, The League. We’re now down to 16 shows, 8 of which have reached or are guaranteed to reach 3 seasons. That’s a significantly higher rate than most major networks
Son of Anarchy is along the lines of their past hits like The Shield.
I just spent 10 minutes trying to figure out what in the world you meant by that sentence.
I was referring to Ronnie’s statement, “but I do feel that the past hits–Rescue Me, The Shield, Nip/Tuck (first 3 seasons)Damages (grrr) had a bit more ‘want to see’ factor.” In that sense, Sons of Anarchy does have a ‘want to see’ factor like The Shield did.
When will people of this town realize that there just aren’t enough creative network executives, and that there aren’t enough truly creative show creators. Kevin Reilly SKIES Landgraf. If Kevin Reilly remained at FX, the network could have had The Office, and GLEE (and don’t talk about the network catering to males because Damages doesn’t cater to males), or other shows like them — shows that POP.
Terriers was NOT a good show. It was bad. That’s why no one watched it.
Some of the lowest numbers EVER – not just low for cable – just LOW NON-EXISTENT numbers.
And every exec at Fox 21 and FX dances on their heads to explain that the show was “great” but “people just didn’t get it”.
Bullshit.
Show sucked. Period.
I liked it. So there.
FX makes a deliberate attempt to push the envelope when it comes to some of the basics of storytelling–in particular, the audience’s ability to empathize with the character and getting the problem resolved in the end. Sometimes they push too far. “The Shield” was a good example. It was hard to like Vic Mackey (or was it Mackie?), and too many conflicts didn’t get worked out. “The Shield” worked because it was the first show to really go that far in that direction, and the writing (for what it was) was top-notch. Michael Chiklis’ charisma is also hard to match.
“Justified” isn’t written as sharply as “The Shield” but it’s a lot more watchable, because we can admire Raylan Givens despite his flaws.
“Lights Out” gives us another character that’s hard to like. It’s reasonably well-done, but once again we’ve got a lead character who’s hard to like. And the whole package lacks the magic of “The Shield”.
Those old rules of storytelling are there for a reason. You violate them at your own risk.
TERRIERS was a good show. Needed to be a bit more edgy. Really should have swung for the fences. Every time I watched it, I couldn’t help but think, “They’re missing an opportunity here.”
I still say marketing killed that show. Or, at least, hobbled it out of the gate.
Clearly you’re not a baseball fan. The proper stat for Landgraf’s quote is ‘batting 1.000,’ not ‘batting .1000.’ As written you have him stating that no one makes one hit out of ten.
wow! i would be nervous.
FX has had some high quality shows in the past..both from a ratings and critical standpoint..but the problem with FX now is that every single show this past broadcast season has been marketed towards men. Take a risk FX..not every show needs to look like an independent film…The Game on BET is taken your whole audience!..and thats ashame..
You shouldn’t have canceled Terriers you jack wagon. That was quality programming that given time would have found it’s audience and how expensive could it have been to make? It’s not like you were paying Clooney to be in for Buddah’s sake it had Donal Louge and that other guy.
Anybody praising SoA as a good and brilliant show should stop commenting on message boards immediately. Remember It’s better to keep your mouth closed and appear stupid then to open it and remove all doubt.
Agreed. SOA is a good show. Not great by any means. I really want to like this show, but it’s getting harder to stay on board.
I loved Terriers.
Great story telling with scruffy, realistic characters and a tone like no other series.
Is it a done-deal that it’s canceled already?
Thought it was much more entertaining that hyped Walking Dead, which left me somewhat unsatisfied and seemed like they simply ran out of budget and wrapped up the first season (What became of racist brother who cut off his own hand to escape roof? Visit to CSC in last episodes seemed contrived and convenient to end season.)
Hope they give Terriers a second season.
But how do suck-up, opinionless, weenies like Eric Schrier remain employed? I’ve literally seen him go through Landgraf’s used toilet-paper to find his own opinions.