
Chuck Lorre took to his favorite outlet, the vanity cards running at the end of his CBS comedies, to reflect on the impact the ongoing war with Two and a Half Men star Charlie Sheen has had on him. The card aired at the end of tonight’s original episode of The Big Bang Theory and was spotted by my colleague, TVLine‘s Michael Ausiello. It was another Lorre vanity card, the now infamous “If Charlie Sheen outlives me, I’m gonna be really pissed” one at the end of the final (for now) episode of Two and Half Men, which triggered Sheen’s vicious attacks against him that ultimately led to the actor’s firing from the show and his $100 million lawsuit against Warner Bros and Lorre. Lorre first reflected (quite philosophically) on the situation in a Mike & Molly vanity card a month ago. Here is the new one from tonight:
Whenever I’ve gone through tough times, well-meaning people have told me that God/the universe does not give us more than we can handle. Well, I’ve been going through a tough time recently, and sure enough, that old saying has been tossed my way on several morose occasions. After some careful consideration, I’ve decided it’s bull$#*!. As an aphorism, it only makes sense in hindsight – after you’ve managed to crawl from the wreckage of whatever calamity that God/the universe decided to toss your way. No one can ever use it to comfort someone who’s been hit by a bus or turned into a puddle of goo by flesh-eating bacteria (although in the right circumstance, that could be a hoot). Another thing I hear a lot is, “this too shall pass.” Again, I know these are words meant to reassure, but somehow they always leave me feeling that heartbreak, rage and grief are going to come shooting out of me like kidney stones through an inflamed urethra. For someone in crisis, I think a more accurate and helpful assessment of reality would be, “Love, sex, food, friendship, art play, beauty and the simple pleasure of a coup of tea are all well and good, but never forget that God/the universe is determined to kill you by whatever means necessary.” Consider trying that next time you’re called on to do some consoling. If you’re feeling impish, you might also try, “According to the rules of comedy, your suffering will be funny after an undetermined length of time. Maybe not while you’re having your gangrenous leg sewed off, watching your home burn down or learning how to be intimate with your cellmate, but in the big scheme of things, soon.
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Oh, SHUT IT, Chuck… Going through a hard time? You are still a millionaire with other TV shows currently running. You want a hard time? Go to Japan or Libya, you flipping baby…
Exactly. My son was diagnosed with a rare and potentially fatal disease two years ago. Chuck, want to trade places?
Trust me, you don’t know want problems are.
I was with you right up until you mentioned Japan and Libya. You idiot.
So, people in Libya and Japan are not suffering as much as Chaim Lavine (I’m Jewish too, so screw you)?
Give me a break. Why don’t you book a flight over to Fukushima and sunbathe on the beach for a while? It’s good for you!
awww. poor little rich girl.
Haha, seriously.
Ok, how to begin.
Someone please… How much money is this guy worth? And he can’t find happiness? He can’t BUY some happiness?? Rent some happiness?
He let his ego get involved and he killed a golden goose and now the powers that be are a little torqued that this happened.
Chuck, and I mean this with all sincerity, you’re PATHETIC.
Charlie, put your sock puppets away. It’s pathetic.
You want him to buy happiness? Has that ever worked for anyone? For Charlie it certainly hasn’t, but he keeps trying.
I think you’re maybe Sheen’s assistant or some lowlife who dreams of sleeping with porn stars but never will.
Really, people believe that those who have money never feel sorrow or loss? Did he ever say this was regarding his show? Vanity cards at the end of a show are for the producer to write whatever he is feeling or thinking. He did just that.
How does his total net worth factor into his feelings. If you had billions of dollars but your mother, or father or child died would you not feel the same feelings as that of a person with a net worth of 100 dollars?
I would like to once again say he never says what the tough time he is going through is. Everybody is assuming it has to do with Two and a Half Men or Charlie Sheen but maybe it is something in his personal life. Maybe a death in the family or of a friend. Maybe some form of depression.
People just assume that there is nothing beyond a celebrity than what they see, but every person famous or not has a life that they do not share with everybody. These people all have emotions and desires.
No sorry,
I’m just one of the little people out in the hinterland who can guesstimate with the best of em.
The stories of the greek gods and their larger than life human weaknesses and failings are lessons to the regular folk.
Hubris, arrogance, greed, vindictiveness, petty and the rest of the dirty, icky darkside of human nature are played out by the Charlie and Chuck show. Chuck is just as much a train wreck as Charlie. At least get a stylist and do a makeover. The drag yourself out of the gutter after a weekend meth-crack binge look is not good for ANYONE. I mean we have a good bet Charlie is having sex with hot women, these vanity cards reek of desperation and we know what a turn on that is for women. And is that the look the rich and powerful sport in Hollywood?
Everyone wants Charlie to get into rehab but Chuck seems to be as lost or more so than Charlie, and Chuck saw someone having more fun than he was so he pissed all over Charlies sand castle.
Bottom line – it doesn’t matter how much money, power and success you have, if one lacks the ability to have a good time, well then basically you’re boned.
What an arrogant egotistical schmuck Chaim Levine is. He hasn’t suffered at all he’s enjoying this power trip. I hope he’s forced to write Charlie a personal check for one hundred million bucks. His vanity cards are just that, he’s so vain he probably doesn’t think this post is about him, to quote Carly Simon.
Very funny…
Is Chuck really looking for sympathy? This just show the complete narcissism of this man. With all that’s happening around the globe right now, he has the gall to consider his situation “tough times”?! Imagine his cries if he only had TWO shows on the air. Or just tens of millions in the bank.
I was, frankly, a touch disappointed that he didn’t — as a “take that, I’m not hiding anything” — use his Hebrew name on the tail-credit on a few of these shows.
Just to make the point to Carlos, you understand.
I might actually have to adopt that saying the next time it needs to be said.
“…never forget that God/the universe is determined to kill you by whatever means necessary.”
Death by Charlie Sheen…what a way to go!
“Love, sex, food, friendship, art play, beauty and the simple pleasure of a cup of tea…”
You say these things don’t console you during your “crisis”.
Hell, I’ll take your crisis any day if I can also enjoy love, sex, food, a cup of tea, beauty, & friendship.
If that’s what you call a “crisis”, give me some of that shit!
“According to the rules of comedy, your suffering will be funny after an undetermined length of time.”
Chuck, if it’s any consolation, time’s up, I’m laughing at you NOW!
chuck, i honestly mean you no will but you need to know this is not a “crisis” – this is simply an uncomfortable business situation you’re dealing with. go fly to japan and tell someone there about your “crisis” . you must be surrounded by a lot of yes-men nodding sympathetically at every turn about your “crisis”
Seems that being blessed to earn an incredible living is just not enough these days.
No sympathy for Lorre. He should’ve thought about all that before he stole 2.5 Men from a talented new writer who had no chance in hell of fighting back.
A-men! That dirty little (widely known) secret seems to have been lost in this whole mess. I have little sympathy for Charlie Sheen (although I hope he gets into recovery), but I have less for Chuck.
Can you please elaborate on this was there a lawsuit? Did Lorre have to pay the guy? Why didn’t the writers guild get involved?
My understanding is he gave the guy a Supervising Producer credit on the first season (not a position a starting writer gets ever) and then fired him after that year. Even though the show was based on the guy’s family.
I heard the original writer still got a nominal payment for each episode, but nowhere near the tens of millions that Lorre took for himself (as well as the credit.)
No doubt the show probably could not have gotten on the air without Lorre’s influence and track record, and no way would they let a novice writer be the original showrunner, but the writer should have had points in the show, and did not get any (to my knowledge) nor did he get credit. Unlike say how Bill Lawrence had Gary David Goldberg usher “Spin City” onto the air (and eventually David Goldberg let Lawrence run it I believe?)
I do wish Nikki would do a story about this at some point.
I was there. The reason the guy was fired is because he had the nerve to actually speak. Thought he had a right to live. Not acceptable behavior on a Chuck Lorre Show
This has become like call and response on Deadline. Someone says “Chuck Lorre.” Someone else responds, “Eric Lapidus.” WTF actually happened? And how the fuck did it become so widely known?
And to be fair–*did* it actually happen? Or did someone who hated Chuck’s success attach Eric’s name to a lie that got repeated enough times to seem true? Where is the *proof* that (everybody on the chorus): “Chuck Lorre stole the idea for 2.5 Men”??
Uhh… how do you steal the idea for two & a half men? It is a wildly unoriginal concept that has been done over and over again…. my two dads, three men & a baby, full house, hell it is basically just The Odd Couple with a kid thrown in.
If anyone wants to “steal” my great idea for a show, here you go…
Two guys who are total opposites move in together and have to raise an exchange student from India! Hilarious!
Or how about this one… two women with totally different outlooks have to raise a teenage boy together! Outrageous!
Or what about this… twin brothers who were separated at birth reunite when they have to raise a 6 year old girl! Ha ha ha!!!
It is all just a couple characters whose personalities clash, forced to live together and be responsible in an unexpected way. There are a million versions of this “idea”.
Chuck could have easily stolen it if he read a spec pilot script from a young writer as a writing sample and that pilot was the basis for 2 1/2 Men. That’s what’s being alleged here if it happened then Chuck is an even bigger jerk than previously thought. Did he screw this young writer? Couldn’t Chuck have invited the young writer to be his junior partner? What really happened? If this never happened then Chuck is being slandered but he’s still a big jerk who thinks he’s God.
Nobody reads new scripts from struggling new writers because they don’t want to be sued later, and also because the scripts usually suck. These ideas are recycled over and over again. Nobody is sneaking into your studio apartment in Silver Lake to rifle through your trash and steal your fabulous ideas.
Well, that might be the counter-argument. But there is a *specific* rumor about a *particular* writer and how his *individual* idea involving his *own* family was (or was not) stolen by Chuck Lorre.
I’ve only once seen details given about it, and I’ve never seen anyone say how they knew for certain it was true (“I heard it from an agent who heard it from a producer…etc.” doesn’t count.) So I keep wondering: Is it true? Or do writers just need to believe it’s true to get through the bad days? (“I’m not a failure; he’s a thief. Yeah, that’s it…”)
Does having money mean you are not allowed to be unhappy? Haven’t you seen that universal vanity card – money can’t buy happiness? Stop the jealousy.
LOL, the day jealousy and Schadenfreude lose favor in Hollywood is the day California falls into the ocean. This is our currency, baby. Love it or leave it.
I have a feeling Mr. Lorre is probably reading these; that’s how self-asborbed he is. I have no dog in the race here. Not in the business and don’t give two shits about Sheen. But, really, Chuck….really?
You call that suffering? With all that’s happening in Japan and Darfur and the Middle East, you’re worried about your fucking little level of contentment. As if any of us care?
Wow. Didn’t know there was so much Lorre hate out there. Everyone has problems, no matter how much money they have; telling someone they can’t feel a certain way because they are successful in one area of life is ridiculous. I mean, no, this is not the level of Japan, but that’s why it’s a blip on a screen for a second and not the top story in the national news.
You are demented. Clearly.
This guy is a manipulative douche. him and his vanity cards. he knew he could push sheen over the edge (not defending sheen, he is own his own cloud and needs to come down). Im surprised corporations like CBS and Time Warner (WB) allow the harassment that started all this. Technically they dont, not with the suits and grunts on the inside. Lorre however has managed to get his own custom rule set, regardless though he is a supreme douche. F him and his vanity cards. Who cares you idiot!
Yikes! This is my first time visiting this website. You guys are a tough crowd. Apparently if you are wealthy you forfeit the right to be unhappy, a circumstance I will never have to worry about.
Uh, Chuck…get some help. You need it as much as Mr. Sheen does. Maybe more.
vanity card says it all. half a bil in the bank, and he’s sad. schmuck.
Hey Chuck, how many shows have you been fired from? How many times have you had run-ins with your leading star? Roseanne? Brett Butler? Cybill Shephard? Charlie Sheen? etc… While they may have issues in their own personal lives, the only common denominator is you! You need to get a grip. According to the rules of comedy it’s time to laugh at you.
You’ve just mentioned, aside from Sheen, three of the most notoriously difficult TV stars in recent history. I’ll say this, from what I’ve heard about Lorre over the years, he has VERY few fans, however, maybe he’s brought in because he can handle the divas in a way that would make other show runners crumble. Egos are big in this town whether you’re in front of the camera or behind it and if you put firecrackers and dynamite together, there’s bound to be an explosion…
He seems to prefer working with train wrecks.
Well another common denominator is a lead actor/actress who’s batsh*t crazy. Then, of course, drug use by said star would be another. Sure, that’s all Lorre’s fault. Maybe it’s just karma. They deserve each other.
while he’s over the top sometimes, and I’ve never really read up on Lorre, I like this statement. everyone here ranting about how this isn’t a “crisis” or “talk to someone in Japan” is looking at this with some close mindedness. we all know that with a lot of people “money doesn’t make me happy.” i’ve heard a lot of people say that they were surprised to find a level of happiness in impoverished cities. sure overall to have money and means is better. but just because this guy has $100 mil, doesn’t mean he doesn’t get to experience crushing times. with the position that he has, the relationships he’s made, and the industry that he’s in… I can imagine this being a really test to his soul. this sort of fiasco is not why you go into this industry and what you hope to happen to your hit show. i don’t know guy, but I can understand this.
What I find curious about all these reactions is everyone is assuming the crisis he’s talking about is one they all know about.
Had it occurred to any of you ding-dongs that he may, in fact, be suffering from something other than a problem with his show? Could he not be referring to an Illness, family issues, or one of the countless other sufferable conditions, rich or not, that humanity goes through?
You know what they say about assuming…
No one cares about fucking snobs problems. End of story. Illness, death, contract disputes… snobs can go die of gangrene and I wouldn’t blink or lose a second of sleep. If I get gangrene I’ll assure you I will have people at my side as would anyone down to earth and connected. Fuck this asshole.
Really Lane & JR? People who say “money doesn’t buy happiness” have never been poor. While you can be somewhat happy accepting your lot as a poor person, if you are rich, you have a better shot at finding a solution to your situation.
If Chaim really has some sort of undisclosed illness or another professional problem, perhaps he should make it as public as his feud with Mr. Winning.
Or are you both defending Lorre because you all belong to Tribe Turbo Douche?
Thank you, Santa. That WAS a gift.
Weird ass
How did he steal 2.5 men? That’s just slanderous
Rich person’s problems and Lorre decided to share. Barf.
Uh, people? I like to think the man must have been joking, and is now laughing his ass off that anyone could have thought he was serious.
Aww, Chucky – just aggressively take it out on the women who cross your path like you do when your life is going great. What a pig – one of the most misogynistic shows on TV “created” by a guy who truly hates women, (formerly) starring a guy who has been arrested for hurting women multiple times. Buy hey, it pays the bills, right CBS?
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grow a set.