2ND UPDATE, FRIDAY 3 PM: This morning after being intro’ed by Patrick Whitesell, John Fogelman stood up at WME’s quarterly meeting inside the Beverly Wilshire Hotel and gave a small “I-was-lucky-to-work-here” speech. He received a standing ovation. Love him or hate him (and those laid-off Morris agents who weren’t given the opportunity to transition to WME sure do), Fogelman nevertheless is a force of nature to be reckoned with in Hollywood. WME insiders don’t expect the agency to replace John on the board. ”The feeling is that there are too many people on the board already. Don’t expect them to add another name,” I’m told.
Meanwhile, Fogelman’s decision to depart WME was by no means sudden. I’m told he made the decision as far back as December right after a conversation with his kids. ”They love the Seinfeld show and were asking him why did Jerry quit. And John told them, ‘Because the ideal is that you quit when you’re at the top.’ And that started the thought in his head,” said one of my insiders. Fogelman considers the pinnacle of his career when he turned Discovery Kids into The Hub with Hasbro CEO Brian Goldner. See their photo above from this Wall Street Journal story back in November 2009. (“I launched a network. No agent had ever done that before,” John tells pals.) As well as helping his clients JJ Abrams (still managed by David Lonner) and Michael Bay on this year’s films Terminator 3, Mission Impossible 4, and Super 8. As for timing his departure, Fogelman spent all day yesterday telling colleagues, “I’m not going to leave until I know what I’m going to do”.
So what might that be? At age 45, after 2 decades in the agency maelstrom, he wants to run his own independent show after being an integral part of Jim Wiatt’s show at William Morris and now Ari Emanuel’s show at the successor agency WME. And once he gets his footing, he plans to re-assemble his skunkworks project consisting of an entrepreneurial clique of people with business backgrounds from networks, cable, wireless telecommunications, investment banking, etc. The idea is to look at opportunities and create initiatives for game-changing ”convergence” in the movie and television arenas. And to focus on entertainment convergence opportunities in Latin America, particularly Brazil.
Say what you will about him, and many do, but Fogelman made a shitload of money for William Morris and then WME and was one of both agencies’ most profitable agents. So it’s more than possible that he will be successful in his Act III. Fogelman is telling colleagues he hopes to include JJ Abrams in any big venture he undertakes: “I adore the guy. He’s so smart. If I ever found room to have a creative steward in my venture business, he’s the only person I’d do it with. maybe he’d do it, maybe not. But there’s no one like him.” Fogelman has acknowledged it’s “premature to take about including Abrams now. So for now Fogelman is thinking, thinking, thinking. He’s known for that as much as for his brusque manner and sharp tongue and dealmaking skill. It wasn’t that long ago he wrote a “white paper” summing up his thoughts on the entertainment biz. Or tried to get that Intellectual Property Group to actually accomplish something at the old Morris.
THURSDAY, 10:30 AM: Fogelman’s departure from WME isn’t exactly a surprise. Because no one thought he would be a lifer inside the new WME Entertainment after he helped engineer the takeover of the venerable William Morris Agency by upstart Endeavor. Now Fogelman, one of Hollywood’s most controversial agents who also has his MBA/CPA degrees, will be bidding the agency biz goodbye altogether for something more entrepreneaurial at an unspecified date in the future. Insiders are calling it a very “fluid situation” right now as his plans firm up. Expect a feeding frenzy for his biggest clients, J.J. Abrams (whom he stole from David Lonner internally at the old Morris) and Michael Bay (whom he has held onto because of the Hasbro connection). WME intends to bring out the big guns – maybe Patrick Whitesell and Rick Rosen, and Mike Simpson – to hang onto Abrams. Then again, Fogelson prettyThe agency also is counting on Ari Emanuel, Rob Carlson, and others to lead the Michael Bay team. For the moment, Internet chatter about Fogelman joining up with Abrams on a venture is premature. But WME is planning to rep Fogelman for whatever he does decide to do. That’s because Fogelman was one of the May 2009 votes on the newly constituted WME board that pushed out WMA CEO Jim Wiatt who was supposed to take over the merged company’s chairmanship. Instead, Wiatt was eased out with a statement that he made the decision to leave.
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Parting is such sweet sorrow; except for the sorrow part. Jim Wiatt is somewhere laughing his ass off and there are scores of displaced agents ready to serve up a little retribution. Good thing he’s leaving the business all together.
the reality is that all of the agencies are moving away from the representation of talent and want to create networks and rep brands and do bigger deals beyond getting jobs for clients. Why? The clients are hard and always moving, the tv packages are tougher (and that’s the money in the business.)
Who loses? The clients. They are lost inside agencies.
The brilliance of Ari Emanuel’s takeover of William Morris continues. After seducing Fogelman to move to the Endeavor side of the Board vote and seize control from the William Morris interests, he’s done with him and throws him out. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving fellow. Fogelman will be out drinking with Mr. Potato Head tonight. Or, perhaps, he can look up Irv Weintraub and Jim Wiatt, who can commiserate. Say what you will about Ari, Machiavelli holds nothing on him.
Gotta say, I’ve always liked John. Guy’s gonna make a killing at whatever he does.
Ding dong the wicked witch is dead!
say what you will about him, but john carved out a niche that made wme a lot of money. people want to be in business with a guy like that.
You’re right, but he is unilaterally hated both internally and by the whole town. Don’t take my word for it, read these comments.
I’m sure John will use his good looks, personal charm and the support of all the people he hasn’t alienated yet to land on his feet.
Does WME rep street sweepers? Because with all the enemies he’s made in this town, I’m not sure what else he can do.
I’m sure John will be successful in whatever his next chapter is. What he has done for his clients speaks for itself.
Like him or not, Fogelman crushes it on the corporate side. He’s smart and is the best at what he does.
At the end of the day, all these hot shot agents like Emanuel, etc – I hope they take some time to breathe. The business is relentless – I know from experience – and consumes one 24/7. Most of these guys are out of shape, are taking prescriptions for anxiety and mood balance. They’re fools, because they don’t have to do this. While I understand that every other agent in wooing everybody else’s clients at any given time of day – or night – these folks still don’t get it. They don’t need these pills, and magic potions to keep them going. That’s all I’ll say now. Since I have the solution, it doesn’t come free. Thanks all.
Not so fast…Sheen could be Ari’s next big thing
Wonder what will happen now to the Fogelman acolytes and proteges still at WME like Danny Gabai (who is a great agent, suoer smart, and really tasteful)?
Who gets the board seat?
Co-sign that as well. Gorin is good people.
hysterical. fogelman is headed to the same space as his original mentors, BRiAN GERSH and ARNOLD RIFKIN. the three of them should get a regular golf game together, in west covina. i watched john grow from a sweet, over-sized kid into some of personality-free, self-impressed follower of the GERSH/RIFKIN school ICHINGFUCKU. these
guys were all ridiculous and john’s success was an absolute miracle, ever ceasing to amaze those who knew him well. hey john: keep smiling, it only gets better.
Well Rifkin is still apparently producing pix (w/out Bruce now of course). What ever happened to Gersh?
Dont even know where to begin. He is horrible guy and once again it is nice to see some justice in Hollywood. Probably never signed one client on his own (inherited or drafted on another agent’s charisma like Rob Carlson who actually is a reason for Michael Bay to be at WME or Lonner who is a mensch and the real reason JJ is there) and let others do the servicing until there was a big deal he could gravitate to, push the worker out of the way and blow hard. I have seen it. Despicable. To all those at WME he did this to, mazel tov. You can now receive appropriate credit and hopefully compensation for your efforts. All that said, anyone who knows anything knows board, shmoard, that agency is run by 4 guys and everyone else is expendable. Nobody is safe so let’s just be glad that today a deserving bad guy went down and not just some guy who they could dismiss knowing they could retain his clients as there is only one place left for talent to go if they try to leave WME (or at least that is what the talent thinks)
Any bets on how long CAA waits to launch its raid for Abrams and Bay? First WME gets rid of Abrams original agent David Lonner and now Fogelman is gone. Wonder how strong those ties that bind are? And we all now how flippant and tempermental Michael Bay can be. Somewhere in the Deathstar, the bigs are licking their lips.
He may be an asshole, but I’m tired of reading about what a shitty agent he is: he may be, but the agency business for agencies that size is no longer about representing talent. Why strive to be an amazing agent when that’s not where the money and future are?
Talent will always be king.
It’s about building brands through entertainment the way the ad agencies of the 50s and 60s did with radio, print and television spots. It’s Hasbro et al keeping the lights on there, not their talent roster.
what a legacy – eviscerating a 100 year-old institution for his own personal side deals and conning hasbro into a boondoggle that has cost fortunes with little return – the shareholders are rejoicing
Wake up! There are agents all over town with great lists that do nothing but boondoggle
BB you’re an idiot… Hasbro got nothing done while at CAA and since joining WME, they amassed billions in value from making huge entertainment plays with Fogelman. Foolish to just let that busine$$ and forward thinking walk out the door. Especially at a time when the advertising group keeps blowing up on the other side and the bank guys are MIA
I agree. This whole comment thread is bizarre, actually.
Some people set the bar high – then, are pretty rough on others who can’t get there. Not the best way to nurture people along, but who the hell has time to do that anymore? It’s rough out there. All earners are deserving of at least a modicum of respect – even if they just come in to close (which can be the hardest part of all).
Good luck to everyone involved in his new venture. We’ll all be calling on them soon – I’m sure.
I never thought I would be Ari’s cheerleader, but this was a long time coming. With Hasbro’s one foot out the door and John’s inability to scale his business, there’s no use for such an expensive, contaminated man and his minions and geishas. Despite all the false hoopla about JJ, he’s now back to the fate he’s tried desperately to run from for the last 20 years – a fat accountant.
HAHAHAHA – Hasbro’s one foot out the door?!? Your ignorance is comical! He’s the only person in the agency business that ever pulled off anything like this and the proof is in the pudding. Maybe it’s time to think outside your little brain and see that you need people like this in a business that is clearly changing every day.
It is amazing how all of you who are working are so afraid to put your name on your comments!
But are so quick to kick someone when they are out. You were all the same people who were patting John on the back when you needed him. But can’t sign your name today! Who really is the little person here!!!!!!!!!
Ari would sign his name I’m sure!!!!!!!
Rhonda
Rhonda, I don’t know you – I just wanted to say “good for you”. Gutsy and classy move.
GoodFellas, you are awesome sir! people who write “LOL” are pussies. yet the only way i can convey my props to you – L.O-FUCKING-L!
“Some people set the bar high – then, are pretty rough on others who can’t get there.”
That describes ARI, whom (nearly) everyone respects. That does NOT describe John. If you’ve ever worked with him in a meaningful way for more than 2 seconds, you would quickly discover that.
Exactly, Spacey left the minute the merger was finalized.
Didn’t JMF try and fire DePersia and Stern? Two meaningless agents just to show he could. Didn’t he? Didn’t he?