
Less than a week after the cancellations of ABC’s daytime dramas All My Children and One Life To Live emotions are still raw, with the frustration of soap fans and people who worked on the two shows often focused on
ABC Daytime president Brian Frons and his business strategy lieutenant Kate Nelson. The demise of the sudsers is part of a larger strategy by Disney to get out of the soap business that also claimed cable channel SOAPNet, set to be rebranded as Disney Jr. early next year. But before the Disney Channel team’s concept was chosen by Disney/ABC TV Group president Anne Sweeney, there were several other ideas for the channel that came out of the ABC Daytime division. Here is an insider’s perspective on the events that led to the cancellation of AMC and OLTL, as well as on some of the consequences, by a person who has worked at the company:
I have worked at ABC Daytime for several years and have experienced a lot of the ups and downs especially since Brian Frons and Kate Nelson took over. With the announcement of the cancellation of All My Children and One Life to Life, I feel that they completely failed all of the people that worked for them.
A couple of years ago, they started a project to evolve SOAPNet into a new female network that was code named “Carrie.” Anne Sweeney had told them that they needed to evolve the network for the future, especially as more people had DVRs and just airing soaps at night was not enough. They pitched an idea to make the network hip and cool for women, basically the type of woman that Carrie was in Sex and the City. We thought that it was a go and then found out that the executives rejected their idea all together.
Then they started again to pitch a product called DM – Disney Moms. The idea this time was a network that moms would want to watch and their families would watch with them, cooking shows, dancing shows basically everything that is found on other networks. It was part of that project that they started talking about combing All My Children and One Life to Live. They were putting together ideas of what would replace the one soap and were competing against an idea called Good Afternoon America. They failed to convince anyone that their idea was good, they had a pilot with Aisha Tyler that was awful.
At the same time, the Disney Channel team pitched Disney Junior, and when Anne compared DM and Disney Junior, she decided to shutdown SOAPNet and replace it with Disney Junior. They were furious and made some nasty comments about how the Disney Channel team went behind everyone’s back and stole their channel.
Over the last 6 months, our entire team has been under the impression that SOAPNet was going to shut down in January 2012 and be replaced with Disney Junior. Over the last few weeks, I have heard comments that Disney Junior is now having problems getting the cable contracts done. So Disney Junior’s launch has been pushed from January to Spring 2012 and now SoapNet is not shutting down in January 2012. Both networks will be run at the same time it could be for several years, Disney Junior will only be in a few homes and a lot of money will be spent keeping both networks up. So now we are shutting down AMC in September and OLTL in January, and SOAPNet is still going to be on the air, we are going to run a network on General Hospital and some acquired soaps, it is embarrassing to all of us who had cared so much about our work.
We are not just angry that they are shutting down AMC and OLTL, but over the last 3-4 years we have been following a leader and his head of strategy who have not been able to do anything right.
A few notes. A Disney source says the company never set January as a launch date for Disney Jr., which had been targeting an early 2012 premiere. The source admitted that carriage negotiations have been going slowly but stresses that their complicated nature, with a number of other bigger channels besides Disney Jr. involved, has been holding deals up. A number of cable, satellite providers and telcos, including Time Warner Cable, DirecTV and Verizon, have expressed interest in carrying both SoapNet and Disney Jr. for the period of time they co-exist, the person says. The source also claims that the process of selecting SoapNet’s successor was open, with all Disney divisions invited by Sweeney to pitch their concepts.
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How come the cancellations of All My Children and One Life To Live have stung more than CBSs cancellation of Guiding Light and As The World Turns?
Hard to say but the truth is that AMC & OLTL fans LOVE their soaps. They see their genre dying and don’t want to sit back and let corporate incompetence destroy it.
One Life to Live and All My Children have been at the forefront of incredibly powerful social message stories. One Life began in the late 1960s telling one of TVs first interracial love stories. All My Children was the first soap to create and maintain a much loved lesbian (Erica Kane’s daughter Bianca) who was born and grew up on the show.
People see their grandmothers and mothers in these series. They have spent decades, 40 years, watching these shows as a family.
People may sneer at soap operas but they ignore the important fact that these shows have been a vital point of inter-generational bonding.
Moreover, what upsets ABC soap fans is that ABC Daytime has repeatedly been caught in lies. Go to DaytimeConfidential.com and you find several stories that show ABC issuing denials of stories only to comeback and admit the truth.
Over the last several years, ABC Daytime stopped PR efforts for their shows. When is the last time you saw an ad for an ABC soap in prime time?
Finally, why do some out there sneer at daytime soaps but love their night time soaps like 24, Lost, True Blood, the Walking Dead, the Sopranos, etc.? They’re all soaps. Look at the viewership for Univision and Telemundo: both networks regularly beat one or more of the big four with their Spanish language soaps. Most of the world loves soap operas. In the UK, Germany, Holland, Spain, Korea, Greece, etc., soap operas are big ratings magnets.
Executive mismanagement is killing American soaps. The lack of creativity and marketing is astonishing. If NBC could dump Zucker and Silverman after destroying NBC prime time why does ABC keep Frons?
And really, can anyone say that the crap ABC plans to put on the air to replace All My Children and One Life to Live is novel? A cooking show and weight loss program? There’s a whole network devoted to cooking programs. The company producing the weight loss program also produces NBC’s the Biggest Loser and is prepping a new ABC prime time weight loss show.
You said it perfectly, Gretchen. Absolutely perfectly.
You do realize that it’s not any corporations’ responsibility to cater to your nostalgia when it’s costing them money, right?
As for the supposedly “forward-thinking” soap, go watch the marriage of Luke-the-rapist to Laura-his-rape-victim, and tell me again about those important social messages.
Yes, you said it perfectly.
DISNEY NEEDS TO GET OUT OF OWNING TELEVISION STATIONS. Out completely.
I don’t want to live and watch my news with little bits of “Disney-ess” in them. TV anchors have become cutesy and sweet. A little too much for me. I don’t need a mouse to ruin my favorite or my ex-favorite network.
The cancellations of these soaps is ludicrous since they are the best. If General Hospital was cancelled I wouldn’t be surprised, but AMC and OLTL….weird.
I’m glad they will be saved as On-line Soaps, but what about OWN or SOAP channels….Could they have helped?
ABC you had better fix this. Like NBC fix the late night mass.
your soaps are the only thing i look at being lost is no more.
i well not invest my time any other new programing you have to offer daytime
or night time. I mean what i say too.
These cancellations sting more because (1) ABC had been denying the rumors of cancellation for months, especially to their casts. Cast members were on twitter saying they had been told the show was staying on the air. Frons made the cast move out west just a year ago.(2) Both shows are being cancelled at the same time. (3) Most importantly, these shows are going much better than GL and ATWT at the time of their cancellations. AMC has been turning itself around in the last few months (finally recovering from the horrible Pratt-falls period) and OLTL, while always having its ups and downs, has been solid entertainment and under budget for years. Plus, we love of soap operas, damn it.
I agree with this… also OLTL’s ratings are up.
It just flat out hurts. Frons is so condescending to the fans. Its hurtful…and to flat out LIE about the shows being safe is unforgivable. GH is NOT safe don’t trust him.
Because GL and ATWT cancellations were just the beginning of our outrage. AMC and OLTL being next to be cancelled are the last straw! We are fighting to keep this genre alive because there will be nothing like soaps left in daytime!
Either it’s because you’re a fan of AMC and/or OLTL and you weren’t a fan of ATWT or GL, or because it’s the THIRD and FOURTH of our beloved long running shows to go off the air. As a die-hard fan of ATWT, I can tell you that I am still devastated by its loss!
Disney Jr???? Yeah like we need ANOTHER kids channel. There is already at least 10 as it is. I am still in shock over this. Way to slap all the loyal fans in the face Frons.
One in 10? I think it’s more like 3 out of 5 lately. No more kids shows. How does the AMC/OLTL demographic equal another kid’s program?
When the leader of a station even upsets his own hard working staff. Everyone thinks he needs to go for this decisions and all decisions he has made since he has taken over and ruined what other people worked so hard on. He is full of greed and I have 5 children and we will not be watching any Disney shows. PLenty of kids shows to choose from and my child doesn’t sit in front of the TV isn’t that the cause of our over weight children in America along with The Chew with a fat man talking about food I’m sure that will help people out a lot to with how many over weight people in america their is. He looks like he really cares about the health of food due to his size. Great role model for anyone to watch. BIG MISTAKE FRONS/DISNEY. I was going to go no a Disney Cruise with my family next year and now we are going through another cruise line. CORPORATE GREED> OLTL made #3 spot in daytime TV this isn’ about ratings it is about greed to make more money and not pay for cast. The sponsors pay plenty to keep these soaps running and I’m sure many sponsors will not particiapte in this time slot once the change happens. That would only hurt business for them.
I think they should fire ABC Daytime President Brain Front for making the biggest mistake in TV history.
hey keep all my children and one life to live on air they are my favorite show on ABC
This is ridiculous……..Seriously these shows will fail…The chew…..lame
I love that all of these reports are finally coming out into the mainstream. Brian Frons has done a terrible job with ABCDaytime. The breakout success of The View (his only real achievement) was due to Rosie, not Frons. When he took over SOAPnet from Deborah Blackwell, that’s when the decline started. It’s not that he didn’t try things, but they were such obvious failures and showed that he was simply out of touch. His reality shows on SOAPnet like “Southern Belle’s” or “Holidate” or “Bank on Mom and Dad” SOUND terrible. How can you expect a quality like that to broader a network’s success?
With the soaps he did silly things like this search for the next vapid hunk on AMC and several Frons mandated stories that bombed or putting his friends in place as HW despite the quality of their writing or fit on the show.
When you repeatedly hire people to headwrite a show that are behind the cancellation of SEVERAL soaps, that should tell you something. First he did it with Brown and Eisenstein (they were HW for canceled The City & Port Charles), then David Kreizman (canceled HW for ATWT, GL, AW and now AMC lol) and Jean Passanante (cancelled HW for ATWT, AW and currently at OLTL).
Trying new blood, promoting the shows and attempting to get easy revenues off of DVD sales were never things they attempted. Selling Erica Kane perfume over DVDs? Those episodes are sitting in a vault collecting dust and they have the actual shows to promote them. Why not release a big 30 episode Luke and Laura DVD when they had their second wedding in 2004? The ratings went up over a million viewers! That proves viewers are there and I’m sure a DVD would’ve been a best seller.
I look forward to reading about the other failures of Frons.
Just one minor correction to your post:
Ron Carlivati was…and still IS….OLTL’s headwriter. Passanante is on the writing staff, but not as HW.
Deadline Hollywood, you are dead on! You are BRILLIANT and write beautifully and with courage.
AMC and OLTLs demise also kills thousands of JOBS in this country, during this appalling economy.
Throw out two known and loved hour long scripted stories for two UNknown, UNtried productions is flawed faulty and UNfathomable.
My Hotline crashed from thousands of phone calls…I finally learned to Twitter and in 48 hours had over 4 thousand followers…UNITED our soaps will stand…there’s power in numbers.
SavetheSoaps@Hoover.com
This visionary company has stepped up big time, pulling their advertising from ABC.
Mr.Frons promises to delete all protest e mails…Hoover is pledged to delivering them directly to ABC. Surely, Bob Eiger and the stock holders are becoming aware of the outpour.
Soaps and their fans have too often been trivialized. All of us, together, can be so undeniably effective, we’ll get what we always deserved: our favorite shows, and their RESPECT.
Appreciatively,
Robin Strasser
PS You ROCK
You rock Robin!1
Thank you for all your hard work.
Robin Strasser – you have given me so many hours of pure entertain-ment. Your Dorian Lord is simply genius and I want to thank you for all the great shows. If only there were a way to save OLTL!
I wish you all the best in the future.
Carin
Wow, a comment from Dorian Lord herself!! We are fighting the good fight, my Lady, and we stand behind you all 110%! Long Live Llanview – Long Live Pine Valley!!
Robin….Thank you thank you thank you!!!!! I love you & all the actors on AMC & OLTL. I am standing behind you. I have signed petitions & wrote emails. We will fight til the end.
SAVE OUR SOAPS!!!!!!! CANCEL FRONS!!!!!!!!
And long live Dianne Kirkwood! (Loved you on Knots Landing too, Robin, and watch your episodes all the time!)
Kudos to you Ms. Strasser! Je vous admire enormement! No matter the outcome of this, the fight has been worth it. WE ALL MATTER! I have watched you from the time I was a child, when you were Rachel on AW, and have loved you as Dorian. I watch OLTL with my teens every day. My daughter and I talked about teen pregnancy though out Starr’s storyline. My son was bullied in elementary school and still carries the scars though he is now a star athlete in high school. These stories, and so many like them, have led the way long before prime time ever dared. You and your compatriots are entertainers, teachers, advocates and friends. You deserve every effort we make on your behalf, and we so appreciate all your efforts on our behalf. Please know we will not go gently into the night. They have, to their utter chagrin, awakened the sleeping giant…
Robyn YOU rock woman! It takes a lot of courage to join with us in this fight when you are still employed by these dim wits. If we should succeed in our endeavor to save the soaps we shall have to put in a clause to give you a front and center story line and never, never, never let you go. I only wish more of your colleagues had your courage. However, if you have any influence over people like Meg Ryan, Demi Moore and others who got their start on the soaps it would be wonderful if they would step up and support our cause also. This is about more than just the cancellation of two shows. Thank you SO much for your courage and support.
Last night I actually had a dream the our stories were saved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!this is how upset I am….My son was born 28 years ago…when I came home,I turned one life to live,and haven’t turned it off.My heart is sad,I’m sick over the loss of the jobs,for these wonderful,talented actors,yes,I said it…ACTORS….and all the other people involved with these shows…All My Children…no Erica Kane…oh,that’s right…we need to be told what to wear,how to cook and what we should do with our time…here’s an idea…keep what works.
The recycling of head writers from cancelled shows is a valid point you bring up. However, that could be said about every other soap opera that has ever existed and been cancelled. To make matters worse, most of the plot lines on these shows have been done to death. How many times can the same show have the same characters come back from the dead, or magically switch paternity tests in a secured hospital laboratory, or have the same three or four people be involved in love triangles and love quadrangles?
All My Children and One Life To Live are barely getting half of the ratings that Another World got when it was cancelled back in 1996 (and back then a 5.0 rating was considered the bottom of the barrel).
Soaps are over. They are dead as a format. AMC and OLTL probably got by a lot longer with poor ratings than most other shows would be allowed to do. No one should be surprised by these cancellations. I’ve read every single comment on multiple message boards by the fans of these shows in reaction to their cancellation, and they sound exactly the same as every other fan comment ever made when other shows were cancelled. All the usual, hysterical “I’m never going to watch again!”…or “Let’s all sign a petition to get to buy the show” or “Let’s get all the fans together and buy the show and put it online if no network will buy it.”
I’ve read all the desperate pleas of distraught fans and ultimately none of their threats nor their cries for help have stopped Sunset Beach, Another World, Guiding Light, As The World Turns, Port Charles, The City, or Passions from being cancelled and staying cancelled.
It’s over. Deal with it. Get used to it. They ain’t coming back.
@Gravity’s Silhouette: Some of your statements/opinions regarding the soap operas in general tell me you do not have a complete picture on the condition of the daytime soap industry. Maybe rather a biased misconception based on incorrect facts or maybe even just a little bitterness thrown in there too. First, you cite NBC’s Another World and it’s ratings when cancelled. Another World was not getting a 5.0 rating in 1999 when it last aired (you said 1996, get your facts correct please). In fact, it was a 3.0. A 3.0 rating in 1999 is equivalent to a 2.1 rating now if the amount of viewers would remain the exact same number. The rating system is based on the percentage of U.S. homes watching a show. There were 102 million homes with TV’s in 1999, now there are 116 million. If you can show me a program that was airing in 1999 on network TV that has the same ratings now I will kiss your ass. Another World had been the loser of the soap opera industry for many years before that.
I was working from faulty memory concerning Another World; I will accept your rebuttal as fact (because I’m too lazy to do any fact-checking). Be that as it may….where the soap industry at one time might have been “cutting edge” and socially conscious with topics such as abortion, you’d be hard pressed to say the same about it anymore.
The last time I paid any attention to a soap opera was Days of Our Lives (years ago when they were allegedly going to kill off 10 regular cast members, including Francis Reid, then backtracked and tried to retro-write the story after the damage had been done). All the murdered people (killed by The Salem Cereal Killer, who turned out to be Doctor Marlena Evans, I believe) weren’t really dead; their caskets somehow tunneled through the earth and they all ended up on a very fake-looking island.
The thing about soap operas is that if you stuck with one for just a few years, you’d start to recognize the same story lines being retold: evil twins, switched paternity tests, people repeatedly coming back to life after having been presumed dead and having had autopsies performed on their body, love triangles with never-ending stories. I mean, how long did that Jack/Nikki/Victor thing play out on The Young and The Restless? 15, 20 years?
With soaps it was the same style of directing, same style of story telling. Don’t get me wrong; there was some great acting on those shows, but you had to sift through a lot of crap dialogue and story lines to get to it. The shows moved too slow, were repetitive, and were made to look ancient, outmoded, and old-fashioned by the time people started embracing shows that pushed the envelope more. Didn’t one article say the median age for a soap viewer was 57? If so, that’s the kiss of death. There is no new influx of viewers for the soap opera market. If anything, shows like Jerry Spring or Jersey Shore or The Real World or The Real Housewives of ??? became the new norm, and made soap operas, once considered racy and controversial, look quite tame.
And there was very little diversity on these shows (and I don’t mean skin color). I mean diversity of culture…of lifestyle…
The soap opera has been losing money for the networks for years. I know it’s hard to lose a show that’s a favorite (I hated to lose ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT and STRANGERS WITH CANDY, but I never threatened to boycott those networks or mount a petition to get them back on the air. OLTL and AMC have had good runs. They should be proud of having been on for more than 40 years. But it’s over. The old math no longer works. They are financial dinosaurs, and it’s selfish and unrealistic for the “fans” of these shows to act like a bunch of spoiled, petulant children just because their show is being cancelled.
Gravity, I was all set to fire off an indignant response to your initial comments – until I realized that you were absolutely right about all the reasons why soaps are dunzo (to quote one of my favorite reality heroines).
Am I sad as a soap fan that two of the shows that introduced me to the genre are going the way of the do-do bird? Absolutely, but I am also considering the complaints that I’ve had about those soaps (as well as the remaining ABC soap, General Hospital, which should’ve gotten the boot as well) for years – that there’s next to no diversity, that the storylines are for crap, that certain characters get the shaft while others triumph, yadda yadda yadda. Add the fact that reality shows have since pushed the envelope and have gone where soaps are too afraid to go (as you’ve mentioned) and well, it was only a matter of time.
So, thank you, Gravity’s Silhouette, for providing much-needed perspective here.
@Gravity’s Silhouette
IF you had a clue you would see that many storylines on soap opera’s are still cutting edge. they bring to the air some very compeling storylines. For instance, gay marriage, Aids just to name a couple. Recently on OLTL they had a bullying storyline that brought this much needed situstion out in the open and hopefully made more people know that it is in fact a serious problem. So don’t sit there and tell me soaps are a waste of time. I have met many of the actors so they are not just people on my TV screen, they are real people with real jobs and real families to support. All who have REAL feelings and some who are behind the fans 100%.
Strangers with candy didn’t run five days a week for forty years either….you have no clue!
Hey Situational Gravity. You are Wrong. You said that There is NO Edge of Story on the Soaps Anymore. One Life To Live has Teen that is being Bullied in School. The Other Kids put A Picture of him with no Clothes on the Internet and He Tried to Commit Suicide by Jumping off the Building. That Type of Thing was on the News where People were being Bullied on the Internet and They would Try to Kill Themselves. Jody
This is for Crouching Afro. There was no place to Reply to This person so I put it Here. You are Wrong about Soaps being Afraid to push the Envelope. All My Children had 2 Lesbians getting Married and I Think it was A Real Marriage and Not A Civil Union. There were 2 Homosexual Men Raising A Baby on One Life To Live. Dorian and Another Woman were Married as A Lesbian Couple and at the Same Time, Many Homosexual Couples Lesbian and Male Homosexuals were Married at the Same Time in One Huge Wedding Ceremony on One Life To Live. Jody
@gravity: if soaps are dying, it’s because the money-minded executives are killing it. clearly, there is plenty of interest out there. the networks should think outside the box and follow the shift in viewing habits.
what’s missing from TV today are tartikoffian programmers with foresight, an eye for creativity and a mind for business.
Don’t tell us to get used to it.
We will NOY support more pitiful talk shows.
If we love soaps, that’s our business. If you don’t get off the board!
You don’t want to support “more pitiful talk shows”…so why should ABC be forced to support 2 shows that are bleeding money? You all act as if you have a right to have these under-performing, loss-leading shows on the air, but you don’t.
Take your 40 years on the air and be happy. Some of us have favorite shows that didn’t last 1/10th that time on the air, and you don’t see us crying like a baby that has soiled its diaper.
For the people whining about losing their favorite soap: grow a pair! That’s life. Everything comes to an end. Start acting like mature adults.
Gravity – that’s what makes losing OLTL so puzzling. they have consistently been under budget (ie, MAKING money for the network) for quite some time. in addition, they are the #3 soap on the air right now (rating higher than GH which didn’t get axed). beyond that, its the only soap to be up in overall total viewers versus the same period last year (all other soaps are down). now with that in mind, i’d have to agree with other who say that the networks just want out of the soap business. if OLTL’s profitable model can fail, then so can they all.
Ok, you have beat us “Soapies” long enough. We are hurting, and mourning the loss of shows we have enjoyed. Why are you so biting in your criticism? Some viewers have watched since the beginning, some for only a short time, but we all feel a loss. Venting on this MB is not hurting anyone, least of all you.
The Thing is Though that They didn’t have Those Shows and we Took It away from Them. Somebody didn’t say But I lost A lot of Weight with The Revolution. However, We do have to Lose Our Soaps. Another Thing is that I don’t mind Losing TV Shows at Night. I did get Upset when NYPD Blue was Cancelled, but I was Sad and Not Angry. I Didn’t Sign Petitions to put NYPD Blue back on the Air. I just Feel like It’s Different when Shows at Night are Cancelled. Jody
I know that most People don’t get Upset over how They make Network Decisions, but I do. Not only do I lose Two Soaps that I Like to Watch, but I don’t like being Lied to and having People Lose Their Jobs. This is Actors, People that do Other Things on the Soaps and Soap Magazines. This Affects Children that Can’t go to Disney World and Men who can’t Watch Football on ESPN. I Might even have to Give Up ABC Completely if My Cable Provider which is Comcast Pulls Out. I don’t want to not Watch Brothers And Sisters or Dancing With The Stars or Other Shows in the Future like Possibly Sometimes the Academy Awards. I Watch Vanderbilt Football on ESPN and ESPN2 and My Mother Watches The San Antonio Spurs Basketball Team Sometimes on ESPN and ABC. Jody
Gravity’s silhouette, just shut up!We will be outraged and wanting AMC and OLTL until the Fat lady has sung, it might be to late to save them but having them on for 40 plus years and the shows that are replacing them, they have their own channels already we don’t need them on daytime hours. If I want to watch a cooking show or a weight lost show I’ll watch it at night when the aren’t taking over my soap time. I will not watch ABC ever again if General Hospital gets cancelled. If the millons and millions of daytime soaps stop watching ABC or even all TV channels, They would be out of business period. Shutting down AMC and OLTL (and if it comes to GH being cancelled)they are the ones to blame for millions and millions who have and will watch until they died, and everyone who loses their jobs that work for AMC and OLTL. Which ever way you look at it the president of ABC is totally to be blamed for the lost of jobs.
Andrea wrote: Strangers with candy didn’t run five days a week for forty years either….you have no clue!
You’re right, Andrea. I was only able to get Strangers With Candy for 30 episodes over the span of 3 years. You’ve got 40 years worth of AMC and OLTL history and episodes to look back upon and STILL that seems like it’s not enough for some of you. Look, if you all didn’t see this coming then you were willfully blind. Take out your anger on Froms all you want, but the writing has been on the wall for soap operas for at least the past 10 years, if not longer.
Gravity’s Shadow wrote: IF you had a clue you would see that many storylines on soap opera’s are still cutting edge. they bring to the air some very compeling storylines. For instance, gay marriage, Aids just to name a couple.
Really? How cutting edge is it in 2010 to have a gay character? It’s absolutely passe at this point. Melrose Place had a gay character on back in 1992. Showtime had a whole show about gay people on back in 2000. When it came to deal with gay characters and gay issues, soap operas were much more than a day late and a dollar short; they were positively in The Dark Ages. Soap operas lost the social consciousness high ground to lame plots about heavenly cities called “Eterna” or parallel universes on Days of Our Lives called “Aremid”. Soap operas became a joke. But the worst thing soap operas did was that they didn’t expand their demographics. Soap operas had a disproportionate female, and aging, audience. It didn’t replenish the aging fans with newer ones.
People can complain about Froms all they want, but Froms didn’t cancel Sunset Beach, Passions, or Another World. He didn’t cancel Guiding Light or As The World Turns. Froms didn’t cancel newspaper subscriptions because more people are getting their news on the Internet or on their I-Pad. Froms didn’t kill Blockbuster because more people are getting their movies from Netflix or Video-On-Demand. People change. Times change. You either adapt or get left behind; soaps got left behind.
I must address this incredibly sexist and agist comment first. I agree. The majority of soap opera watchers are female, and perhaps, aging. Your statement implies that this population is to be dismissed, when the reality is that they have the strongest buying power in any family. Also, I might add, where you have a 50, or over, woman watching a soap, you have any younger female within that household watching. The genre of soaps invites inter-generational bonding, which you clearly have no interest in, particularly in light of your implied dismissal of any woman over 49 (which, by the way, I am not).
Next, I must take issue with your comment in regard to gay storylines being “passe”. You do realize that the entire gay community continues to be a population of people where discrimination is not only acceptable, but legal. I work at an agency serving those infected, and effected, by HIV. The fact that you can, with self confidence, post on a public website that gay storylines are passe, shows how incredibly ignorant you truly are.
And with that, I wouldn’t waste any further time engaging with you.
I don’t want to do Anything with Brian Frons, but I do like Things to be Accurate. Actually, Anne Sweeney also wanted This and She is Brian Frons Boss. Actually, It is Disney that Wants This and They are Actually Throwing Brian Frons and I think maybe Anne Sweeney Under The Bus. Disney doesn’t care about ABC. The Woman in Charge of the Public Relations for Disney is known as A Bully and A B i t c h and Everybody whether it is in the General Media or Politics is Afraid of Her. She Worked for Al D’Fonzo and I’m Sorry that I got his Name Wrong, but She said that Lying came as Easily to her as Waking Up in the Morning. My God, Disney should not be Allowed to Buy A Network and I think They are going to Sell ABC. Barbara Walters is Angry and I think that Brian Frons and Bob Guza are not even Getting Along. My God, Disney is Ruining Everybody’s Life. It’s like Disney is A Dictator. Disney shouldn’t Be Allowed to Ruin People’s Life Like This. Jody
Do you work for B. Frons( The Serial Killer)? Are you getting a pay check from ABC for your obvious slanted view of the fan-base that our soaps have, SHAME ON YOU…….
Me too.
Raise your hand if you believe the party line of Disney/ABC.
*crickets*
Raise your hand if you believe the insider’s statement.
STANDING OVATION!
The alphabet network is SIMPLY ABSURD. OLTL is going to go out like a champ, not limp out like poor GL did.
It was an amazing 43 years, OLTL. When you were good, you were every bit as good as a quality primetime drama. When you were bad, you were so bad, you were good.
To the actors and crew of both shows, and their families, I wish you a bright future.
America is in BIG trouble.
ABC DAYTIME didn’t “die”, it was MURDERED.
& the blood of the unemployed is on Frons’ hands.
Amen sister!!! You nailed it to the T.
Norn Cutson wrote: “Murdered….blood…on Frons’ hands”
Yowsers!!!! If the drama on AMC or OLTL had been half as good as the hysterical reactions on this message board, both shows might still be on the air.
If there is any “blood” and it’s on anybody’s “hands” it’s on the hands of the producers, writers, and directors of every soap opera on the air (including the ones cancelled): they murdered the audience, who died from passive boredom.
I have no doubt that ABC wanted to ‘get out of the soap opera business’, but can you blame them? Ratings have plummeted for THE ENTIRE FORMAT for how many years now? 20? The shows have become less relevant to pop culture and become financial loss-leaders. The audience for these shows isn’t even half of what it was 10 years ago and the trend shows it’s only going to continue to spiral downward.
C’mon Brian, at least have the balls to admit it’s you – COWARD!
Yeah…uh, no, I’m not Brian Frons. I have been posting here way before these cancellations took place. Also post at Latino Review.com and HuffingtonPost.com.
Nice try, though. The only cowards I see are the viewers who are unwilling and too afraid to face a future without a daily dose of soap operas.
I don’t Appreciate being Called A Coward. Other People have said that People like me are Losers and that we are Selfish. I don’t Appreciate that Either. We Feel like we are Losing A Member of our Family. We Feel like we know these People like Myrtle who is Feisty and Takes on Phoebe or is Kind with Kitty or is Understanding with Zach and is A Second Mother to Erica. Unfortunately, The Woman that Played Myrtle Died in Real Life in October 2008. It’s just hard to find something to do. Most of the Time on the Internet, I go to the Message Boards or I read Scoops about what will Happen on the Soaps. I Presume that I can go to Bed since I won’t have SoapNet. This Started with Losing our Soaps, but Other Things have made me Angry about This. Jody
Why aren’t they sharing the channel a la Nick?
If A Disney Source is to be believed, then what were they planning for the gap between Disney Junior’s launch and SOAPnet going off air in January 2012?
Okay, figured it out — dead air and separate channels. But now there’s no reason to kill either channel.
I Thought that what they were going to do was to have SoapNet go off in January and Disney Jr Started Up right Then. I Think that would be A Great Idea to have like Nickoldean in the Daytime and Nick At Nite at Nightime. Have Disney Jr in the Daytime when Children are Awake and SoapNet at Night where It’s A New Way to Watch Soaps and that is at Night. They don’t have to have Beverly Hills 90210 at 4 in the Afternoon. Jody
Now all we need to surface is that Anne Sweeney also cancelled General Hospital, which is getting ditched in September 2012. They just don’t have a replacement so the announcement hasn’t been made through press releases. There is also a mysterious figure of Frons’ wife, who had a lot to do with the soaps’ stories. A rumour, so far.
How will these cancellations effect the Daytime Emmy categories? Or even WGA Daytime Serial category? How many shows are left?
There will be no more Daytime Emmy’s. I think this year will be the last Daytime Emmy’s that we will have because if and its a gigantic “IF” they changes their minds about cancelling AMC and OLTL, what’s the point having have it if there is only 4 daytime soaps shows on TV? At least having AMC and OLTL on was a bigger list of nominees for each categorires then what it will be next year or 2013.
The sad thing is that the ABC/Disney statement essentially protects Anne Sweeney and leaves Brian Frons and Kate Nelson swinging in the wind. Or not so sad. Frons has been a disaster, and whatever “mistakes” the insider made in his statement, nothing ABC says disputes that.
So the real question is why are AMC and OLTL cancelled before Frons, and why are they even trying his lame ideas? Apparently even with the long overdue ouster of Zucker from NBC, programming for the margins still lives like a parasite at the broadcast networks.
This just demonstrates what a total mess ABC and particularly ABC Daytime is right now. As sad as the cancellation of both AMC and OLTL right now, the larger problem still looms. People like Brian Frons still have a jobs. And his track record at launching new shows and maintaining existing ones is dismal. Honestly, network television is the only place where an employee can be an utter failure and get promoted.
And the View is only successful because years ago Barbara Walters told Brian Frons to keep his nasty little fingers out of her show. And what do you know, when the creator and Executive Producer of a show gets to actually run it, it’s a success. A lesson at ABC should be learned from that.
Hello Anna. That’s not Correct about Network Televison is the only Place where you can be A Failure and get Promoted. Wall Street does that and so do Car Companies. Remember, People went Bankrupt, but then they would Get Year End Bonuses. They would get that Hand out from the Government to Start Selling Cars Again and They would Take the Money and go on Trips or Buy Themselves A Car and They would get Another Bonus. Jody
Chris B, your comment is phenomenal. Soap fans have known for YEARS about the incredible incompetence and destructive nature of Brian Frons and the other IIC at ABC Daytime. He apparently thought he had done enough that he’d be able to cancel two shows (or, all three, depending on the rumors about what the brass wanted to do) quickly and quietly. SORRY! If nothing else, soap fans are going to give him and ABCD as much hell as possible, and it’s great to see him exposed for what he is.
Hey Mattie. Not only did he think They could do It Quietly and Quickly, but ABC AND Disney Laughed at us Thinking we would just Give Up. As My Mother often says Well, They was Wrong! Jody
Love that this information is finally coming to light-there are insiders just as unhappy as the viewers. It is not a surprise to me at all though.
How long do we, the viewers, put up with this Disney/ABC braintrust? Where is the Disney/ABC over age 49 demographic programming or consideration?
BOYCOTT DISNEY/ABC TV PROGRAMMING, MERCHANDISE, AFFILIATES AND SPONSORS. This is not just about these shows. It is about collectively saying, ENOUGH! YOU HAVE AN AUDIENCE. YOU CAN EITHER CONSULT WITH THEM AND LISTEN TO WHAT THEY WANT OR LOSE YOUR VIEWERS AND SPONSORS. SIMPLE CHOICES.
Hey Flo. They can have Zach from All My Children and he can Yell Enough. I will get My People on This and Then His People can Beat Up Brian Frons and Disney because Zach is A Thug. Maybe Thorsten Kaye who Played or Plays Zach can be A Vampire and Suck Brian Frons and Disney’s Blood Dry like They Sucked the Blood from our Soaps with Their Writing. Hey, They can have Kendall from All My Children show up at that Public Relations Woman and go Yack Yack Yack Yack Yack Yack and Maybe that Woman from Public Relations will Shout Enough! Disney will Sell ABC to Somebody and you can have Your Soaps. Disney Gives Up and Then Everybody Laughed and Laughed and Laughed at Disney and Again That Public Relations Woman Shouted Enough! Jody
I have several friends who work at Disney and ALL of them have said how ruthless these “idiots in charge” are. They have NO clue of what viewers are clamoring for. Mr. Walt Disney himself would not have run the company this way whatsoever. Everything they have touched have turned into disasters with rare exceptions here and there. If they would just go back to basics of television programming instead of trying to be cutting edge all the time, then they would keep more viewers watching.
Mr. Frons and Ms. Sweeney are too arrogant for this business and they really need to be ousted in my opinion. They claim that they have done everything they could to make the soaps better, but that is so not true. They have done everything they could to destroy soaps.
Well, the viewers have finally had it! They are not taking this lying down. We are fighting for the survival of an institution. We are fighting for the little people who have done nothing but work hard to sell their most-often lousy products. Now it’s time to change out the regime at the top and bring in the people who do know how to run daytime soaps, who actually have passion for soaps like so many of us fans do!
If Frons (even Sweeney) does not lose their jobs after this, then I have no hope for Disney-ABC whatsoever! They are the biggest incompetents in the business!
As far as I am concerned Mickey isn’t the only rodent in the house.
Get rid of Frons and Sweeney and there might be some hope of keeping our shows.
Hello Angela. Brian Frons and Disney are Sooo Stubborn. They keep doing Things and They are Failures or Disasters and They Keep Insisting That Their way is Right. They Never Learn and They don’t want to Change. It Reminds me of Kendall on All My Children, Sharon on The Young And The Restless and Blair on One Life To Live. Kendall wasn’t going to let her Deaf Son Learn Sign Language or get Cocklear Implants. Kendall went to see A Doctor that Nobody wanted her to go to because The Doctor was A Quack and Kendall gave her Son some Vitamins that the Doctor Told her would help him with his Hearing, but the Boy was Allergic to the Vitamins and Almost Died. Kendall was going to get Ryan and Greenlee Together even though Greenlee didn’t want her to and Ryan didn’t want her to and Her Husband didn’t want her to and Kendall wouldn’t Stop Doing that. Sharon wanted to Marry Victor Jr even though he Stole her Baby and gave it to Another Woman. Everybody including her own Mother Turned Against her and She lost Custody of her Little Girl which was the Baby that Victor Jr Stole from her. Now, Sharon has Left Town, but Everybody Thinks she is Dead. Blair kept on Believing Spencer and Almost got her Husband to be Executed for A Crime that He didn’t Commit. Blair was Almost Killed by Elijah Clark. Her Cousin wanted her to Marry Elijah, but then Told her that He was A Bad Person. Blair said that her Cousin was just Jealous of Her. Blair’s Son said that Eli was Creepy and Blair said Don’t say that. He’s A Nice Man. Now, Blair is Dating Tomas, but he has Tried to Kill Blair’s Ex Husband. Kendall, Sharon, Blair. They Never Learn. Just like Brian Frons and Disney. Jody
It wasn’t that long ago Brian Fons was saying the soaps weren’t dying.
http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=119884&passFuseAction=PublicationsSearch.showSearchReslts&art_searched=soap%20operas&page_number=0
I think cancelling the soaps is the worst mistake ABC can make. I support the advertised products I see on All My Children, I will NOT continue to watch ABC if these are cancelled
Yes, but how come no one is blaming Anne Sweeney? She kept him on over the years. She fired Westin, McPherson. They were smart and strong, but she kept Frons on. She’s weak and inept. How come? For that matter, why does Bog Iger keep her on?
Am I nuts, or shouldn’t Bravo or OWN (or even LOGO for goodness sakes) be looking into the idea of snatching up at least a “merged” version of these two soaps – if even not a cable-budgeted version of both?? Hey, HBO, Showtime, and Starz.. wanna get into daytime programming? You got 47 multi-tiered channels anyway, right?
Both Ms. Slezak and Ms. Lucci are daytime super-icons, and the internet/soap-fan response has been so intense – plus, yay Hoover Vacuums – that there has to be some way to make some money off of keeping one or both of these shows alive in some form…
I believe them both.
I’m not sure if people are more sad than actually surprised by the cancellation of the soaps and eventually SOAPnet. The fact that “network” essentially tries to run on low rated reruns stamped an expiration date on it.
If anything they should’ve tried something more interest worthy like re-airing the fan demanded Santa Barbara and Falcon Crest or try something more soap related with their programming like “I Love Lucci”, a show focused on Lucci’s tv and home life.
I COMPLETELY agree with the other post that mentions hiring on failed writers/show runners. The genre has been sagging in the ratings for years and the cancellations started slowing and picked up tremendously with CBS’s cancellations.
If you do nothing to stop the loss you’ll lose and thus SOAPnet is gonzo. Also, do we even need to discuss the horrible name/branding of the network?
This sounds like a row of dominoes falling with the hiring of Frons being the biggest and worst domino of all…… ABC is in a mess and I have absolutely no empathy for them or what may happen in the near future now. They have disrespected and dissed way too many for this just to go away. All the people who will not be out of work especially the ones who had to move cross country for this mess I feel so very badly and angry on behalf of.
I guess 5 million viewers do not matter to them! Boycott ABC & their sponsors!
Anyone know how much actors on soaps get paid?
ABC We can hold out longer then you………… We will boycott you forever can you say the same. We are getting angrier by the minute and growing in numbers by the day. Just admit it now….. You screwed up and end this embarrassing mess your daytime execs have created for you before its to late to save yourselves. I am on day 6 with no abc other then my soaps and ya what? I dont miss it. AS far as Disney is concerned, I am done with Disney to, No more trips, no more merchadise, and as a travel agent I have informed my loyal customers that with much regret I will no longer be helping them with their Disney vacations and they as well have vowed to stand behind me. So let me ask you? Isnt it time to CHEW out your execs and give your audience back what they are craving or are you going to sit back and get lost in the REVOLUTION
AMEN.Well said…….We must keep up the fight for our Soaps. “Soaps Rules-Talks shows Drools”
Robyn Voorhies wrote: I am done with Disney to, No more trips, no more merchadise, and as a travel agent I have informed my loyal customers that with much regret I will no longer be helping them with their Disney vacations and they as well have vowed to stand behind me.
Yeahhhhh….right. I believe that about as much as I believe a super-villain can freeze Port Charles with an object called The Ice Princess. Like I really believe customers are allowing you to not help them plan their Disney vacation all because your favorite television show is going off the air. What a hysterical reaction! You ought to be grateful you even have any customers; like newspapers, Blockbuster, and record stores, travel agents are becoming a thing of the past thanks to the Internet. I wouldn’t be turning away customers if I were you.
I can understand disappointment, sadness…maybe even a little anger…but the threats being made against ABC and its sponsors are meaningless. If the hysterical reaction from some of the people on this board is any indication of the mentality of the soap demographic, then clearly ABC did the right thing but cutting loose AMC and OLTL (General Hospital will be next year, make no mistake about that). Whether replacing the soaps with another food and talk show is a good decision remains to be seen; either way, it doesn’t impact me: I don’t watch soaps now, and I won’t be watching what ABC puts in its place either.
It’s partly our own d**n fault that these shows are being cancelled. It’s all demographics. When we sign up to do Nielsen studies (I’ve been asked 4 times, so a LOT of y’all have, too) we make the mistake, if we’re over 45 yo, of telling them the truth about it. We don’t fall in the ‘desired’ age range, so we DO NOT COUNT, literally. It’s the 18-45 age range viewer who does count with them… but my guess is that if those beloved consumers have DVRed their soaps to watch after work, they are not counted, either.
Why do you think the networks ask for our age when we sign up on their sites? On ANY site? It’s so they can find out if we’re in the demographic range they’re listening to, or if our opinions should be rejected.
I can’t do anything about what I’ve already signed into, but I can at least neutralize it by getting another email addy and become (now and forevermore) 35 years old. Considering how ABC has lied to us (not to mention the cast/crew), I don’t feel bad at all about lying to them.
As to the retorts that Hoover has let employees go due to closures, that is such a specious argument! I suspect they kept on/absorbed as many employees as they could. BUT, that argument pales in comparison to the thousands who are losing their jobs when these two soaps are shut down. Think of it… from cast members to crew.. lighting, camera, directors, publicists…they are just the top of the pyramid. Office staff, wardrobe people, stylists…these people are out of work, as are the assistants they work with. Set designers and the people who create and maintain the sets. Suppliers of all sorts of incidentals… these have people behind them, too, and the loss of soaps will affect the profits derived from that interaction. When soaps go on location, the interaction from that helps that local economy.
What a stupid, stupid move, ABC. And the irony of juxtaposing a cooking show (The CHEW??? gimme a break!) with a weight-loss show is so ironic as to be unspeakably absurd. When you consider the viewer is probably sitting down to watch someone describe how to lose weight, it becomes bizarre. I’ll give you a hint on how to lose weight… when these two soap substitutes come on, get out of your chair and TAKE A HIKE. And don’t forget to tell ABC you’re doing so.
As a 34-year viewer of ABC soaps, I think that many of the ABCD viewers are more network loyal than possibly daytime viewers on other networks. To see 2 of our shows shot down in one blow is staggering.
I began watching when I was very young as have many other viewers and am still within the network’s target demo as are two of my daughters. I think many of us feel, as fans and as consumers, that our dedication to these shows is being cast aside and disregarded. When you’ve stuck with 3 shows for the better part of your life and become invested in the characters and history, it’s disheartening to have them taken away in this manner.
Since contracts with the new shows have probably already been signed, I can only hope that Anne Sweeney and Brian Frons get a hard dose of reality when the viewers prove that they don’t want another cooking or weight loss program. We could have been watching those on cable all along, but we were watching them the soaps that we love instead.
I think it’s that fans of other network soaps were not reading the writing on the wall when GL and ATWT. Fans of other networks’ soaps are just as rabid as ABC’s. It’s a bit condescending to suggest otherwise. I will agree with an ealier comment that GL and ATWT were in terrible shape in the years before they were cancelled. And the same rumors ran rampant – that P&G wanted out of the soap biz and did everything they could to sabatoge the shows. And how about that – those writers found employment on ABC.
I watch shows on all 3 networks and was outraged, disgusted and deeply saddened by all the cancellations. Losing two at one time undoubtedly increased the public shock and outrage, but if we had not been in fans in competition but instead had shown some solidarity when the CBS shows were cancelled, maybe our collective voices could have meant something.
I respect that people like Robin Strasser and Catherine Hickland are speaking so forcefully, but did they think when GL and ATWT were cancelled that they and their friends would not be next? A little preemptive grassroots outrage might have been in order, from all of us, rather than a mere sympathetic pat.
As a lifelong resident of the NY area, I’m desperately sad that the birthplace of soaps has no more left. But I don’t believe we can do anything about AMC or OLTL.
But maybe we do have an opportunity to help keep GH and DOOL on the air. I’m off to buy my new Hoover.