
Easter Sunday seems an appropriate time to focus on Hollywood’s treatment of the subject matter of religion. When it comes to making movies from various Biblical interpretations, conventional wisdom says stick close to scripture and the faithful will flock. Mel Gibson hewed closely to the New Testament with 2004′s The Passion of the Christ and the film grossed over $600 million worldwide to become the largest independent film of its day and the top-grossing non-English language film ever. But veering from that strategy can do more than alienate that audience segment as Universal Pictures found out when Martin Scorsese filmed 1988′s controversial and in some eyes blasphemous The Last Temptation of Christ from Nikos Kazantzakis’ novel and angry protesters were dragging crosses in front of the home of MCA Universal head Lew Wasserman. Have things changed since then?
Several filmmakers hope so because they are making movies that challenge faith tradions. These projects are very different from, say, big projects that include Fox’s stylized retelling of Moses leading the Israelite exodus out of Egypt, or Bedrock Films’ $30 million 3D reimagining of the story of creation as depicted in the Book of Genesis. But all of the following daring projects can take encouragement from The Book Of Mormon, the first Broadway musical by South Park creators Matt Stone and Trey Parker who teamed with Robert Lopez on the skewed look at the Mormon faithful. The result is a smash hit Tony Awards contender playing to capacity.
– Hollywood agency WME will soon shop the movie rights to The Final Testament of the Holy Bible, a James Frey book published this weekend that imagines what the Second Coming of Christ would be like in contemporary America and depicts Jesus Christ as bisexual and promiscuous. Frey wrote the controversial A Million Little Pieces, a memoir that turned out to be semi-fictional. Though his new book is getting strong reviews, there is no getting around the fact that audiences who flocked to Mel Gibson’s film would consider Frey’s vision to be blasphemous. The book launched with a lavishly illustrated limited edition print run of 10,000 books — selling for $50 each – published by Gagosian Gallery. It will then be published published widely through e-book for the Kindle, Nook, iPad, Kobo and Sony ereader. Frey tells me he’s “open” to his book being shopped for films. When I asked who would be the movie audience for it, Frey says, “When I write, I don’t think that way. I wrote a book about what I think it might be like if the long awaited Messiah were alive today, who that person would be, what he would believe in, how he would live, how society would recognize him and deal with him,” Frey told me. “I spent 15 years thinking about it, and about how to do it, and what story to tell. I believe that the Messiah would not eschew the use of alcohol, nor restrict his ability and willingness to love based on what they do for a living or their gender.”
– Director Paul Verhoeven (RoboCop, Total Recall, Basic Instinct, Starship Troopers) and his ICM reps have spent the last half year unsuccessfully trying to raise financing for a movie version of Jesus of Nazareth, a book Verhoeven co-wrote and researched for nearly two decades. In his revisionist vision of Christ, Verhoeven rejects the miracles, the immaculate conception, and the resurrection that Catholics all over the world will celebrate tomorrow. Verhoeven feels they undermine the core teachings that have kept Christ relevant for more than 2,000 years. Verhoeven had developed a Jesus Christ film idea with comedian Mel Brooks years ago and became consumed. “If you look at the man, it’s clear you have a person who was completely innovative in the field of ethics. My own passion for Jesus came when I started to realize that. It’s not about miracles, it’s about a new set of ethics, an openness towards the world, which was anathema in a Roman-dominated world. I believe he was crucified because they felt that politically, he was a dangerous person whose following was getting bigger and bigger. Jesus’ ideals are about the utopia of human behavior, about how we should treat each other, how we should step into the shoes of our enemy.” The difficulty in securing film financing for his book is that Verhoeven supposes that Christ was likely the result of his mother being raped by a Roman soldier, which Verhoeven claims was commonplace. Jesus himself is depicted as a radical prophet who performs exorcisms. And so on, all running counter to the New Testament.
– Writer/director Paul Thomas Anderson continues to works on The Master, a film he wrote about the creator of a belief system that spreads like wildfire in the 1950s. Universal (which made The Last Temptation Of Christ after Paramount dropped it) bowed out of The Master, in large part because a $35 million budget for a specialty film was too large. Anderson has continued to rewrite a drama that has obvious parallels to both Mormonism and Scientology. That press has complicated Anderson’s efforts to make the film, but the project is less about scrutinizing Scientology or Mormonism as much as an exploration of the desire to believe in a higher power, the choice of which one to embrace, the point at which a self-started belief system graduates into a religion, and the impact on its founder when that happens. The film has recently been championed by Megan Ellison, the daughter or Oracle founder Larry Ellison who is investing money in prestige projects. I’ve also heard that Warner Bros and Black Swan financier Cross Creek Pictures are possible participants. Anderson has long had Philip Seymour Hoffman attached to play the belief system founder, with Joaquin Phoenix and Jeremy Renner possible to play his right hand man, and Reese Witherspoon for another role.
– The Book Of Mormon ridicules the faith but is getting laughs from liberal Mormons. The key, Parker and Stone maintain, is to be respectful of the believers while showing irreverence toward the beliefs. Neither of the duo is particularly religious, but they are fascinated by the power of faith. “Whether it’s The Bible or The Book of Mormon, these are great stories. We are storytellers and that is the real reason religion has fascinated us for so long,” Parker said. ”I don’t know where people get the impression we’re anti-religious. I don’t think South Park has ever been anti-religion, or that Trey and I have ever felt that way.” So what will happen when producer Scott Rudin inevitably shops the Broadway musical to become a movie musical? “We’ve learned in our careers that as long as something is successful, they will give you money for it,” Parker tells me. “They just want to make money in Hollywood, they don’t really care. As long as the musical continues to do well, I don’t think it’s going to be hard at all.” and yet they portray 3 wide-eyed Mormons trying in vain to convert a Ugandan village afflicted with poverty, rampant AIDS, and violence at the hands of rebel soldiers. There are musical numbers that feature provocative and explicit lyrics. (Songs include one with a chorus that means “Fuck God,” another about the importance of stifling gay urges, and another about the maggots in a villager’s scrotum.) The turning point in getting the village to embrace baptism? When a bumbling missionary enhances Mormon teachings with story lines and characters from Star Wars and The Lord of the Rings and makes the faith more appealing.
Parker and Stone have always been quick to shine a light on organized religion. Their career trajectory is directly traceable to the short film The Spirit of Christmas, about a death battle between Jesus Christ and Santa Claus for possession of Christmas, which made as much fun of Jews as Catholics. Commissioned as a video holiday card, the short went viral and introduced the core characters of South Park and became a de facto pilot that was picked up by Comedy Central. During South Park‘s long run, Parker and Stone have often covered the faiths and practitioners of Christianity, Judaism, Scientology, and Mormons so often they barely raise eyebrows. The only real ruckus came when Comedy Central, citing security reasons, refused the duo’s plan to depict Islam founder Mohammad in a farcical light. Only then did the duo go too far.


Jesus being a bisexual….Yeah! That movie will never be made!
you don’t think a Jesus as bisexual movie will ever be made? You don’t know Hollywood very well at all. They’ll make anything for a buck.
Um, yeah, no way is that thing getting green lit. Ma and Pa Middle America will have their torches lit before principal even gets under way.
Here me now: no f’n way.
Hey, I say go ahead and make such a movie! In fact, spend LOTS and LOTS of money on it!!!
RE: never be green lit. Ma and Pa will light TORCHES? Ok I am at a loss here; We are USED to the bashing. We are USED to that whole ‘mind’ set. We are also AMERICANS; free! So am I to understand YOU ARE allowed to PROTEST but we, (spit) ain’t? eeeeek!
i don’t believe he is saying people aren’t allowed to protest. he is saying protests are inevitable, and they would likely scare any production company out of it.
that being said, those kind of protests always backfire. especially if the project is already done, it only makes people curious about it.
This barely made sense. Yeah I get it, your a poor ol’ Ma and Pa torch person, used to the bashing. What bashing? Middle America claims its views are constantly victimized, when rather, they’re the ones wielding the heavy, oppressive beliefs. I’m so sick of people with what’s considered classic Middle America views considering themselves the oppressed. Ridiculous.
maybe hope they make it and its a colossal and extremely expensive failure, becoming a laughing stock once again.
Passion of the Christ stays close to the New Testament? Eh, more like Maria de Agreda and Anne Catherine Emmerich (which is fine) and not any closer than the Scorsese film.
It’s actually a very close depiction of the New Testament. I’ve been a Christian for 11 years and studied the Bible and historical texts very closely.
You might want to study a bit longer. The Passion is as inaccurate as inaccurate can be. The film contains over 50 significant events not found in scripture. It is nothing more than a catholic mystic film. Catholics might be ok with it, but people looking for biblical accuracy know otherwise. Not to mention the heresy that The Passion of the Christ depicts Mary as co-redemptrix. Mel Gibson believes that Mary is “a tremendous co-redemptrix and mediatrix” (David Neff, “Mel, Mary, and Mothers,” Christianity Today online, Feb. 20, 2004). This means that Mary suffered with Christ and became the Mother of all believers, the Queen of Heaven, an intercessor for the saints. Needless to say, it is a catholic cult film full of heresies and errors.
But they also protested Monty Python’s Life of Brian, and I like to think that was pretty much historically accurate. It even included his visitation by extraterrestrials!
Christopher, you are wrong. The character of Mary in “The Passion” was portrayed simply as a Jewish mother. She was not portrayed as divine or as a co-redemptor. How you gather this is beyond me. But you are misleading anyone who reads this blog. Simply untrue.
I liked the Learning How to Count in Latin sequence!
umm yes it was where was it not factual?
Haven’t seen it since it came out in 2000 but memory serves me here:
- meeting w/ “Saint Veronica” on the way to Golgatha, who wiped Christ’s brow and wound up w/ a “Shroud of Turin” type of image of Christ on the towel. This is not in the Bible but is part of Catholic mysticism.
- the pun of Christ inventing the sit-down table & chairs that we have today. Just a silly bit of humor, no big deal, but not factual.
- Mary being the only other person besides Christ who could see & recognize Satan.
- Mary & Mary Magdelena mopping up the (incredibly copious amount of) blood of Christ after his torment. Not in any biblical or post-biblical record.
- When Christ is crucified, the cross, flipped over so as to bend back the nails, levitates off the ground. WTF?
Those are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head; there were several more.
So, I guess this article could have been titled, “Hollywood continues its war on the Christian religion (to include Mormons)”
I especially like this quote from James Frey, “I believe that the Messiah would not eschew the use of alcohol”. Naturally, what else would a lying, drug-addled degenerate think? The Lord & Savior MUST be just like him. That is so deliciously Hollywood – unapologetic hubris, in all its glory.
When Hollywood finally makes a movie that takes a critical or dare I suggest hostile look at Islam and its prophet, someone wake me up. Considering what happened to Van Gough though, I imagine that movie won’t be made anytime soon, if ever.
They didn’t bother before, because hardly anyone in America is Muslim. But yes the only reason to do it now (outside of films that criticize ALL religions) would be to combat the people who think violence is the answer to criticism. I have great respect for people who try to fight for free speech, and would fully support anyone who did so. However, your post seems to me the kind of thing a Christian would write who think he/she has some sort of special place in America, and any noting of the contrary is oppression of some sort.
Uhh, do you not realize that the entire system of government that YOU use today was build on Judeo-Christian values? Out of the 4 sources that we used for our laws, 3 have to do with the Christian God.
So yes, I would say that Christians hold a special place in America. If you consider this to be oppression, then perhaps you’d be more comfortable elsewhere, in a system that doesn’t oppress you? I hear Liberia is just that sort of place.
Elliott: you’re certainly entitled to practice whatever faith you choose, and I’m not here to minimize the historical importance of Christianity or the comfort and inspiration it has given to millions.
But announcing that our system of government was based on “Judeo-Christian values” is historically inaccurate and civically dangerous. Our government was an outgrowth of Enlightenment philosophy– work that was widely considered an affront to (and condemned by) the Church. It was fealty to *reason* as opposed to *religion* that DEFINED the Enlightenment. I don’t think anyone disputes that.
Moreover, the men who founded our country were, almost to a man, non-Christians. Jefferson and Madison were Deists, Franklin an atheist, Hamilton was an atheist at the time of the founding (though he found religion later in life); only John Adams was traditionally religious, and even he went to pains to clarify that the United States was not a “Christian nation,” and that our laws were not derived from “religious belief.”
As for American “laws,” they’ve grown up for manifold reasons over hundreds of years, but the legal framework for the U.S. has its roots in British Common Law– which is a more-or-less secular source– and the work of Enlightenment philosophers. Very little of that philosophy, I grant, is overtly hostile to religion (and, indeed, much of it makes abundant poetic references to “God” and “the Creator”), but nor is any of it *derived* from religion. Rather, most of that philosophy is the result of trying to rationally sort out why men enter society and, when they do, what sort of implicit contract has been made between the individual and the collective.
America was founded by men who felt (or imagined themselves) unjustly oppressed, and it was designed as a society where such oppression would be impossible. In other words, the founding value of the United States was *individual rights.* That includes the right to have “Judeo-Christian values” — or not to.
Again: I’m not trying to belittle the virtues of Christianity; I just don’t want folks trying to rewrite history to suit their ends.
Only partially correct, Rose. Look to France to see a revolution & new society based entirely on the enlightenment. The reign of terror, as it has come to be know, killed off 4 times the number of people who died in the American Revolution.
The US was a new nation based IN PART on Enlightenment principles BUT ALSO on the Bible. There are WAY too many references, allusions, and outright quotes from Scripture and Christian theologians in the founding documents, Federalist Papers, etc. to blithely dismiss the Christian aspect. It matters not that several of the leading lights were Deists.
This Nation was formed by the Founding Fathers out of fear of religious persecution; that’s why there is separation of church and state, not out of high moral cause, but out of fear that someone might want to impose another religious hierarchy on this country. The Pilgrims did that in England.
All religion is about belief, not fact. NO matter how much you point to scripture as fact it’s not. Even the Jews consider most of what happened in the Torah to be mitzvah — religious alegory.
BTW The way this country is heading, the torches will soon be out for anyone not hewing to The One True Faith. The Founding Fathers failed.
No Gilbert – they dont do it because Hollywood are a bunch of cowards and appeasers. They have no problem presenting Islam in a positive light in everything from Kingdom of Heaven to the last seasons of 24 while you can hardly turn on an episode of Law and Order without Christianity bashing. The Passion got made because it was outside the system – no way is Hollywood going to make a positive film @ Christianity or a negative one @ Islam.
As for James Frey – he was exposed as a fraud and a liar. If anyone in the private working sector mounted a fraud like that that bilked the public – remember a lot of people paid $25 for his book thinking it was a truthful memoir – they would be charged with a crime. He gets to hang on to his celebrity and an audience?
You’re joking right?
Why in the world does nobody remember Bruce Almighty and Even Almighty?
Jim Carey yells “I surrender!!!” for crying out loud.
So ya, Hollyjoke will make a positive Christian film f the circumstances are right.
Hollyweird is full of cowards. It is not because most of America is non-muslim, it is because they know that Christians are tolerant and will not cut off your head if you denigrate their religion. Therefore we are easy pickins. Cowards.
@Rightwinger,
Or maybe it’s your lack of self-awareness and irony that make you such “easy pickins.” I feel as though Jesus may have a thing or two to say about your name-calling.
And just to clarify so nobody mistakenly thinks you know what you’re talking about:
The reason artists choose to explore Christianity (and Mormonism) over Islam IS because there is so much Christianity in this country and so little Islam. Most normal people aren’t affected by Muslims on a day-to-day basis, while you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting some yokel on Hollyweird Blvd trying to shove pamphlets about the end of the world in your hand.
But keep fighting the good fight, Rightwinger! The more people who are exposed to your bitter, petulant brand of “Christianity” the fewer people will want to identify themselves as Christian. And that gives me hope.
How about looking at the REAL truth … there was no Jesus. The only existing evidence is that it is a retelling of the story of Isis.
Time to stop believing in fairy tales don’t ya think?
Retelling of the Isis myth? I always wondered why Jesus is portrayed as a woman with bird’s wings wearing a headdress shaped like a throne. It all makes sense now!
But before we get too far into the weeds on this line of reasoning, allow me to ask one question: If Jesus is real, if he existed and God exists, then wouldn’t it make sense that many of the myths that preceded Him would somehow reflect that reality? I mean, it would be stranger still if all the myths that came before Jesus bore absolutely no parallels to Jesus, right?
No one seriously claims that the Isis myth is real. Many, however, believe in the reality of the Jesus myth, that Jesus really existed. C.S. Lewis said, “The story of Christ is simply a true myth: a myth working on us in the same way as the others, but with this tremendous difference — that it really happened.”
“No one seriously claims that the Isis myth is real. Many, however, believe in the reality of the Jesus myth, that Jesus really existed.”
At one time many believed the Isis myth. And while it is true that at this point in time, many believe in the Jesus myths, it is also true that the numbers of disbelievers are ever increasing. I would even argue that in the USA, organized sports like the NFL and NBA now top religion with regards to their cultural importance. Dallas is pretty much a Christian city by most reasonable standards but there are no cathedrals built or being built that compare the the Dallas Cowboys stadium…None even come closeto the old stadium that was torn down. Of course this was not the case 100 years ago.
While taking Christ as God is a matter of faith and study, only a fool would question the historisty of Jesus the man as there is far more evidence for his existance then Alexander the Great, Hanibal, etc
There was no Jesus? You won’t find any serious scholar who believes that. Oh, there used to be folks who believed that… in the early 1900′s.
you seriously claim to have no knowledge of how Muslims have been portrayed in U.S. films for decades? seriously?
If a long-haired, brown-skinned, “hair like sheep’s wool” socialist, “all-you-need-is-love”, attacking the money-changers Marxist like Jesus Christ were to actually return to Earth today…
…he would be crucified all over again…by the RIGHT WING – because they’re against EVERYTHING that Jesus talked about. To the right wing, the New Testament doesn’t even EXIST – and Jesus’s teachings are “socialism” now to them.
Wow! You really are on another planet. He attacked the money changers because he was a marxist? I guess it had nothing to do with defiling the temple. It was all because they didn’t redistribute their wealth! I should’ve known.
He taught about the virtues of self-sufficiency (teaching people to fish versus handing them one). But geez, don’t let your bias get in the way of nasty little facts. So sad.
Ah yes, teaching one to fish… nice!
What about whole sermon, “Whatever you do for the least of my flock, you do for me”?
Right wingers really hate the part of the New Testament that deals with charity and leaving worldly possessions behind if one is to enter the kingdom of heaven.
Yes, those megachurches have really warped your little mind.
You seem to have missed the point of the quote – it’s “whatever YOU do”, not “whatever the government does”. Right wingers (as you so charitably call us) have no problem with private charity. They have a huge problem with government-enforced taking from one person to give to another. Private charity leads to selflessness and concern for others. Government redistribution of wealth leads to selfishness and resentment of others.
Charity is NOT the government taking your money to help others, it is about you and me taking PERSONAL responsibility to help others. If I break into your home, steal your TV, Computer and jewelry – take it to the pawn shop and use that money to feed the poor, I will end up in jail.
Theft IS theft.
Riiiiight….Because, as we all know, it’s the liberal side of America that gives more to charities, tithe more, and volunteer more than the conservative side, regardless of what study after study shows. (Lord, it’s hard to type that with a straight face!!)
It’s actually quite sad, santa, that you conflate the spiritual teaching of Jesus with the modern American tax system. You’re so proud of this mock piety you have, that you actually consider forced taxation to be equal to charity. I’ve yet to see God send angels down to Earth to shake down people for their hard-earned money, but it would seem that you’re quite alright with the IRS doing that.
You probably ought to look a little bit harder in the mirror, and quit patting yourself on the back so much.
I find it interesting that so many that reject the “Immaculate Conception” think it refers to Christ. It does not. The Immaculate Conception is Mary, the Mother of God’s birth free from original sin. It has nothing whatsoever to do with her conceiving Christ (that, in the Church is the Holy Spirit).
Good work pouncing on that alcohol comment — obviously Jesus would be against drinking; it’s not like he’d ever turn water into wine or anything, right?
“I especially like this quote from James Frey, “I believe that the Messiah would not eschew the use of alcohol”. Naturally, what else would a lying, drug-addled degenerate think?”
Growing up in the late 70s/early 80s, I had a couple of priests and lay teachers discuss the “Wedding at Cana” story with me and they were all in agreement that it showed Jesus as human, having a good time with friends and family, and yes, even drinking.
What was Jesus’ first miracle?
Water into wine.
Thank you for playing our game.
I have no clue if any of these films will get made, or fare well, but even mildly religious people (casual Christians, etc.) are upset when their faith is disrespected. I’ve read a lot of the Christian movie boards this past weekend and there is an explosion of anger over one line in the movie HOP:
“a four thousand year tradition…”
Yes, apparently, according to Universal, the Easter Bunny existed — delivering jelly beans, chocolate bunnies and colored eggs to kids all over the world (except China) — 2,000 years before Jesus Christ.
Can’t imagine why Christians would be offended by that. And let’s not pretend that line was an accident. I bet it was discussed ad nauseum, and to pick that specific number (instead of 1,000 years or six centuries, or whatever) clearly is to send a signal that Easter is not at all about anyone’s savior, but is 100% about candy and bunnies. I’m not Christian and even I found that to seem intentional. I also think it’s hurting the box office, since, from what I’ve read on the boards, entire congregations are boycotting the movie. Dumb move, if you ask me.
I’m not saying filmmakers should cater to the religious factions, but why go out of your way to piss them off?
So your saying that people shouldn’t mention the fact that Easter is far older than Christianity? Why should anyone be insulted by such an obvious and easily obtainable fact? Is Hollywood supposed to cater to the ignorance and ill-informed prejudice of American audiences? Well actually, they probably should if they want to make money in this country. Good point.
so the “easter bunny” is a 4000 yrs old “tradition”? thats “new”. stranger every day…
The easter bunny isn’t as “new” as Christianity:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oestre
You mean the Oestre that was made up by Bede, that there is absolutely no evidence for? Yeah right. Wikipedia is such a reliable source.
ROFLOL @ “Is Hollywood supposed to cater to the ignorance and ill-informed prejudice of American audiences? Well actually, they probably should if they want to make money in this country.”
Too Right!
These films aren’t financed since they have no audience and so won’t make money. Take the Verhoeven project, non-religious won’t care and religious people will be deeply offended and so there’s no audience for this film. Only a schmuck would invest in a film for which there is no audience.
Perhaps Verhoeven should ask the Chinese about backing his film. Oliver Stone managed to blow Chinese money to make his political films. Nobody went to see them…but they got made.
I’m surprised that there is no mention of Kevin Smith’s upcoming film Red State. That definitely seems like a film that is controversial due to its religious subject matter.
I believe we’re only talking about films that people are interested in seeing. That’s probably why.
Hello….DOGMA, anyone?
30 mill? not a big hit. More people watched Paul Reisers canceled tv show than Dogma.
Dogma had a budget of $10 million. Add another $2 million for P&A (this is 1999). It grossed $30 million in the theatres, with a 50/50 split for exhibitors and studio. Studio collects $15 million, for a tidy profit IN THE THEATRES of $3 million, and exhibitors make a nice chunk of change. *Any* DVD/VHS sales beyond that are pure gravy.
If Reiser’s show had been profitable, it’d still be on the air.
Do you not understand the difference between television and film? Do you not understand how to calculate profit?
i now hope Preacher gets made LOL
if you take a good look at all religions at believe in Jesus…
they break the first 2 commandments 1)”And God spoke all these words, saying: ‘I am the LORD your God…
‘You shall have no other gods before Me.’ so the first commandment – BROKEN 2) ‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image–any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.’
Every religion that worships christ, mary, joseph, etc all has idols they bow to pray to put money in jars to build gold, silver, bronze, on and on and on and on….
BROKEN commandment number two.
Your claim with the first commandment is wrong. Jesus was God made flesh according to the Bible. I guess you decided not to pay attention to that fact. And the statues in church aren’t idols they are representations, no one is praying to the statue as they would if it was an idol expecting the statue to grant their wish.
I guess you don’t pay attention to the words. “Graven” means “carved”, “chiseled”, or “sculpted”. You may interpret that to mean “idol”, but that comes from specific instances in different parts of the bible. What they have in most churches or is worn around many christian necks is a graven image. Your interpretation is only convenient for you, not literal. You can either choose to go by what the bible says OR what it means; you can’t do both.
An “Idol” can be anything created by man substituted for worship of God or distracts from worship of God. As for a cross depends on the Christian wearing it. I wear a cross, I wear it simply as a symbol of my Faith, I do not use it as an implement in worship or pray with it in my hand like some try and channel through it. To me using a cross like this would be using it as an idol, crusifixes are used this way, there is a difference between the two, crosses are empty, crusifixes have an image of christ upon them. Specifically it says not to worship a graven image, so it is not just a symbol that makes it an idol it is the actions of the worshiper that make it so or not.
It’s so weird that people love to wear the object that Jesus died on. Celebrating the pain or “sacrifice” of Jesus. Yes people will claim, “it’s a reminder of what he did for us all.” That’s a joke. you people are worshipping and idolizing DEATH/TORTURE?MISERY, etc. It’s creepy.
Almost as creepy as catholics performing a flesh and blood ritual, aka, Cannabalism. “The body of Christ/Blood of Christ”.
Dress it up as you like. Let other religous people who are supposedly understand God more, tell you what to think, wear, and do.
Good job sheeple.
The Bible is a psychological text book on how to live your life. The names/locations/cities all have double immense meaning behind them. They’re are states of consciousness. Consciousness create reality.
The Bible takes on a whole new meaning when you realize that your consciousness is God. This reality is God’s dream. Just like we have dreams at night, and each chracter in the dream is a representation of somethng in our minds, it’s the same way with god and his eternal dream.
Jesus may or may not have existed..but who cares. Get the hidden info that’s in the bible and test it yourself.
If long-haired anti-war socialist Christ came back today he would be crucified all over again, only in hi-def and by those who claim to be Christians. After all, there is no profit in peace. Just ask the so-called Christians who run the military industrial complex.
Actually, the Jesus of the New Testament is quite anti-government, but nice try on the “he’s a socialist” tripe.
So, Jesus was a Libertarian? Definitely not a Republican. More of a conservative Democrat (if there was such a thing anymore.)
But nice try on the sarcasm fail.
Christ had long hair as it was the tradition at the time, not because he was anti-war or a hippy. You think He would have stood by and watched Hitler take over the world? As dreadful as war is, it has shown to be the lessor of two evils at times throughout history. and a socialist…not worth the rebuttal.
Another Soros employee busily typing away in his mother’s basement (where he lives to show his “independence”). Has mummy brought you organic milk and cookies yet dear? Such a hard worker.
Go ahead and make it. When it comes to Christianity and Hollywood, controversy doesn’t sell well.
I have this sneaking suspicion that Tom Cruise and Will Smith managed to badmouth the Anderson “Hubbard” movie out of production the first time, glad it’s back. L. Ron Hubbard lectured that Jesus was a pedophile and homosexual; in another lecture he also doubted Jesus existed. He tried to make Christians believe compatiibility with a book “Scientology and the Bible” and quoting St. Peter in another book’s dedication. It’s great that as the cult of $cientology fades into the dark oblivion it deserves, Hollywood is losing its fear of the cult’s endless legal attacks and someone is going for the truth.
JAMES FREY!?!?!!? Is Hollywood really getting into bed with this grifter again? After I AM NUMBER FOUR? And what is this bullshit about him not thinking about the audience when he writes?! This is the same con man who told audiences that he would write a TWILIGHT/HARRY POTTER ripoff, and then did so. He conned DreamWorks into buying his line of bullshit last time, now we get to see who will be his next idiot mark.
I would never read anything by James Frey or see anything based on his books. He’s a proven liar and a fraud. Made up just about everything about Hazelden, the esteemed Minnesota rehab center.
Funny time to read this as I just returned from a dinner with some of my brother’s Jewish friends. I was taught to always respect others, regardless of their ethenticity, gender, sexuality, and of course religion. So I made sure it was OK to eat ham in front of them.
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My mother raised me as a Roman Catholic but also taught me, God has allot more on His mind than worrying about Movies or TV content.
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There is a difference between FICTION and reality, people. learn to laugh. If the girl wants to go down into the spooky basement to find out why her boyfriend screamed in terror and his head and guts flew out the basement door in a movie, go ahead and route for her to go down. If in reality that were to happen (hah!), do whatever you can to keep her safe and call 911.
I don’t see why people who are confident in their faith would get up in arms about films that deal with their spirituality in different ways. Just because one particular artist debases your belief, it shouldn’t have an impact on your own convictions. It’s possible to stand firm on your faith while accepting others’ choices to voice their commentary or critique on that faith.
EXACTLY! Freedom. Let THOSE who MOCK, MOCK. It allows for conversation. It paves the way for change. I mean, do you really think YOU had any say in whether or not you should be saved? Guess again. It’s mercy. HUGE, WONDERFUL MERCY.
Jesus Christ is a myth. He is a character created in the New Testament by the apostle Paul 70 years after his supposed existence. There is no physical or historical evidence that Jesus Christ is real.
There’s more historical evidence that Jesus of Nazareth existed than Alexander the Great, so I guess you think Alexander is a myth too.
Really dude? Did you know that we divide time based on his life? B.C. stands for Before Christ!
To say that he didn’t exist is the most unfounded statement that even the most atheistic scholar would deny. Did you know that the Greek historian Socrates wrote extensively about him? Jesus Christ lived, died, and rose again to pay for your sins.
There is more proof that he was a real person than any other person in history! People only want to deny his deity because they don’t want to be accountable to a Holy God and want to live like the devil instead.
>> Did you know that we divide time based on his life? >>
No, we divide time based on some guy’s guess about his life, over 500 years afterward. Our AD/BC dates don’t even match up to the story told in the Bible — Herod’s rule ended in 4 BC, for instance.
There was more than one Herod.
While that’s true, Herod the Great died before the AD/BC system says Christ was born, but the Gospel of Matthew claims he gave the order for the Massacre of Innocents. The dates don’t match. Similarly, the Gospel of Luke (the other Biblical account of the Nativity) claims that Quirinius was governor of Syria when Christ was born, but Quirinius didn’t become governor until years after Herod the Great was dead.
The details don’t fit together. That doesn’t mean the core of the story can’t be true, merely that there are contradictions in it caused by it being written by different people at different times with different memories and/or source material.
And that’s from stuff that was relatively close to the events of the era. Saying that Christ’s existence is proved by the existence of the Anno Domini system, as if people simply started counting when Christ was born, is simply nonsense. The Anno Domini system was made up in the 6th century, not by anyone who was around at the time.
Even faithful Biblical scholars don’t think Christ was born in 1 AD (and few believe he was born in December, a date assigned centuries later, apparently to co-opt pagan celebrations), arguing based on the evidence available that it was either some years earlier or later (most seem to assume Luke is wrong, and give greater weight to Matthew).
But the Anno Domini system isn’t evidence of anything except that someone picked a number a long time ago and we stuck with it.
Unless i’m totally crazy, Socrates was like 500 years before Christ, so how could he have written about him…why am i arguing with you people.
“Greek historian Socrates”? Really?
And it’s really apropos of nothing, but academics replaced BC and AD with BCE and CE years ago.
It’s kind of embarrassing when people just spout off meaningless, indoctrinated, inaccurate titbits and assume that they’ve won some kind of argument.
Academics replaced our date system? I wondered about that. I guess some folks will do just what they please no matter.
They can use bce or ce or what ever..I will use what I learned:AD and BC. It’s not like academics matter that much anyway…after all, these are the folks who were telling us in the 70′s that we’re due for an ice age and today are telling us we’re going to over heat the planet.
They’re also the ones pushing socialism and marxism in the classroom. Hey…what ever it takes to get a grade I suppose.
You’re confusing meteorologists with academics, and academics with politicians. But keep on using what you learned, and kudos for winning another argument between your ears.
There is no contemporaneous historical evidence of Jesus’ existence. The earliest mention of a Christ- like figure came at least fifty years after Jesus’ ‘death’ by Josephus, a Roman historian, and even that is full of contradictions that don’t match Biblical texts. His ‘mentioning’ is considered by many historians to be a later insertion in his works. Jewish history makes no mention of a Jesus figure. By the way, Socrates lived several hundred years before Christ so there’s no way he could have mentioned Jesus in his works. Sorry.
This is obviously a polemic, not an argument. Historical scholars see at a minimum four INDEPENDENT sources behind the three Synoptic gospels (Mark, Q, L and M) and some contend that the Gospel of Thomas reflects another independent source. A core passion narrative may very likely be an independent source, adapted by Mark and others. John is generally considered independent. And though his portrait of Jesus is a cosmic figure, scholars think he’s a pretty accurate with details on Jerusalem and Jesus’ last days there. Josephus not only mentions Jesus (the intercalation can be analytically sifted out, but John the Baptist and he corroborates plenty of other information found in the gospels. Archaeology also corroborates gospel material. And then there’s Paul, whose work contains the earliest tradition re Jesus (words from the Last Supper, albeit quite likely shaped by liturgical usage); his writing goes back to 50 C.E. (as does Q). Some early rabbinic literature attempts to vilify Jesus. The Acts of the Apostles contains what may be an independent tradition that summarizes the story of Jesus. The gospels in general are testifying to the God’s saving power manifest in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Though written from the vantage point of the experience of the Risen One, and shaped to address concerns of post-Easter Christian communities, they nevertheless insist that the one who is risen IS Jesus of Nazareth, and so they are concerned with recalling memories of him. It’s absurd to ignore that the gospels and their good news is BASED ON a historical person and details of his time.
It’s time for you to read Lee Strobel’s “The Case for Christ.” He was an atheist like you who actually did some research (which you have obviously never done) and he learned the truth of Jesus Christ’s existence and deity. Don’t worry. Jesus died for you, too, because he loves you. I hope someday you’ll discover that he forgave you, too, for not believing in him.
Just dont, Hollywood. Come on.
Yawn, Hollywood is making fun of Christians…so lame. Haven’t seen that yet. When will Hollywood be ballsy/edgy and relevant again? Treating muslims different from every other religion shows what gutless cowards they are.
Why Hollywood keeps insisting on trying to corrupt the accounts of Jesus and spitting in the face of Christians everywhere is beyond me. I would lead a nationwide boycott of all of those projects, seeing as they are nowhere near close to the Biblical accounts of what actually happened, and in fact blasphemous, all of them. And people wonder why it’s so hard to get Christians into movie theatres? Pfft. They know. The whole point of Hollywood is to attack and undermine the Christian foundations of America and destroy the fundamental ethics that your nation was founded upon, and I see it hasn’t changed one bit. Thank you for alerting me to these movies though. More films to boycott. *sigh*
The whole point of Hollywood is to make money and (for some) to produce entertaining art. There’s no secret agenda attacking America’s values. Also, isn’t freedom of expression and religion a pretty big “fundamental ethic” of America?
How about some consistency WITHIN the bible first? Different books have different accounts of the same events. Hollywood would get more things right if x-tians could at least agree on their “facts”.
You said it yourself Aaron: the US has a overt (fairly conservative) Christian foundation. All over the world film-makers and artists in general question societies’ ethics, morals and foundations. In such a strongly (and in many ways strictly) Christian country, why is it hard to understand that there would be people discussing that bedrock?
By the same token, what would an American film “mocking” Islam achieve (ignoring the countless films that had Islamic villains before they became pariahs after 2001)? Muslims make up maybe 2% of the US population. Any movie critical of Islam is obviously not going to be made with that population in mind, it’s just going to be bullying.
Going after Christians… how brave?
Call me when Hollywood types start making films mocking Islam.
Why don’t you? You could make a lot of money since presumably there’s an untapped market of people who just can’t WAIT to spend money on a film that mocks Islam, right?
Get out there. Do it. Make a fortune! If these pinheads in Hollywood refuse to do it, shut up and step up. Any idiot can make a movie. Look at the dopes that do it every day!
Oh, don’t forget the dozens of other major religions mainstream films don’t mock. You know. The billions of people in the world who are neither judeo-christian nor Muslim. BUt hey, in your world view religion is probably as black and white as The Good One and Da Ebil One.
Of course there is the little notion of Free Speech here. Why shouldn’t an artist have the right to explore religious themes if he wants to including ideas that are far outside the mainstream or accepted wisdom? The commercial prospects for these projects may be slim, but many many projects (practically every documentary ever made) are works of passion far more than commercial calculation. You can make movies where people get innocently slaughtered by the bushel and nobody makes a peep, you can make movies where women are basically talking ass and tits and it’s just business as usual. But you bring up religion and suddenly the God squad goes apeshit. If God is really all powerful, he can deal with the meddling of a handful of artists. It seems far more threatening to those who claim to speak for God which is really the issue at hand.
You do realise that trying to talk sense to religious types is a waste of your time, right?
You’re completely correct, we DO have free speech in this country, and Hollywood is completely free to make whatever movies they wish. No one is talking about preventing them from making movies, but the question is whether such movies will make money. Those darn Christians will essentially vote with their feet, and just like all the anti-war movies Hollywood has churned out, these movies will slip into oblivion.
Oh god forbid if we should anger the most ignorant among us. *eye roll*
Piss ‘em off. It is time for mankind to crawl out of the caves.
“It is time for mankind to crawl out of the caves.”
You first.
Funny I guess the definition of ignorance has been changed to “whatever you don’t agree with”. Why is it that the so called enlightened always define ignorance this way?
Hate to tell ya, Shane, it has always been that way.
The staunch conservative defenders of the status quo usually get offended when someone challenges their bedrock, whether it be the essence of aether, phlogiston, spontaneous generation, or an earth-centric universe. Supporters of those failed, yet in their time accepted as fact, belief systems always bristled the same way you do.
Your ilk should get used to this by now.
Happy Easter to all!:) Movies that show respect to GOD will always make $$$. The film makers must realize that in order to get $$$ from the audience they must deliver films that people like, but to produce films that ” insult ” the audience’s religion, beliefs, and their GOD will only turn them away from your films. As far as WME is being ” vindictive ” regarding Mel Gibson, Ari knows he fucked up , fucking his own $$$$ when he dropped one of the top money makers in the industry, it was a move like in the days when some idiots in Hollywood called Kathryn Hepburn box office poison, they were wrong, but they pissed her off, so she left Hollywood , but continue to do movies from far away….after that she was nominated for almost 10 oscars and she never showed up once to accept her Oscars when she won. The reason I mentioned this is to remind you guys that not everyone in Hollywod is smart or right when they make decisions, think for yourself so you don’t lose more $$$$$$$$$$$ next time by taking out and estroying one of your biggest money makers, it means you destroy your own income….you’re taking yourself out basically! Ari at WME, GROW UP and accept the mistake you made and income you now lost….don’t even be vindictive to insult Jesus and degrade God’s son to make up lies that he would be bi sexual and impure….if you choose to do so and challenge GOD and his authority , he will kick your ass Ari, and when it happens you will only have yourself to balme and no one else! Anyone who dis obey GOD will get the wrath! Remember I warned you! Don’t even think about disrespecting GOD! Now let’s all get along and let’s make $$$$$$$$$$$$!
Soooo true! If an atheist really wants to know if God is real — try Him. It’s like that great speech Samuel L. Jackson gives in Pulp Fiction: “AND I WILL STRIKE DOWN UPON THEE WITH GREAT VENGEANCE AND FURIOUS ANGER, THOSE WHO ATTEMPT TO POISON AND DESTROY MY BROTHERS. AND YOU WILL KNOW MY NAME IS THE LORD! WHEN I LAY MY VENGEANCE UPON THEE.” pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow…pow! LOL
Oooo…. try ‘Forgiving The Franklins’. There’s something that could only by made as a small indie!
Ah, yes, how very brave. And oohhh, controversial interpretations. Further proving that most of Hollywood can’t get beyond their rebellious teenage years. Quit boring us all to death and make something relevant. And interesting.