Below is a composite Q&A that’s the truth your Hollywood Guild leaders are saying in private and not telling you to your faces at a time when nearly all writers, actors, and directors are hanging by their fingernails to maintain their livelihoods under the studio and network rollbacks. Today the WGA membership voted to ratify their new TV/Theatrical Contract reached last month with the AMPTP. I was shocked and appalled by the lack of public dissemination of info by the Guild to its members during the process. But this kind of secrecy has marked all of the Hollywood Guilds dealings with its memberships on these contract negotiations and ratification votes. That’s to cover up the fact that neither SAG nor the DGA nor the WGA bothered to bargain hard for pay increases or barely at all for New Media increases despite promises to that effect during the last contract go-rounds.
I emailed and spoke at length with several members of the WGA negotiating team and board of directors to be able to collect the following behind-the-scenes information (see composite Q&A below). What I learned goes way beyond the ratification ballot statement from negotiating committee co-chairs John Bowman and Billy Ray explaining why the talks had been completed in little more than two weeks blaming “an economy still recovering from a deep recession; an economic pattern set in negotiations with other unions; and the willingness of the Companies to address the Guild’s most pressing economic need, regarding the solvency of the pension plan.” Or the cover letter from WGA West president John Wells and WGA East president Michael Winship that said, “We highly endorse ratification of this contract” and noted the unanimous recommendation of the negotiating committee, WGA West Board and WGA East Council.
Really? REALLY? Then why did one of the above WGA leaders email me to agree when I crapped all over this lousiest of lousy WGA deals with the AMPTP when it was announced a month ago: “Off the record, your analysis of this deal is spot on.”
Who else agreed with me? Stephen Diamond, the Santa Clara University Law professor and one-time candidate for SAG’s executive director, who called the deal a “clean sweep for big Hollywood studios as WGA negotiations end” and “the final domino in this year’s Hollywood collective bargaining round”.
My analysis included calling this the worst deal writers had ever been handed. Saying the Writers Guild leadership clearly decided it had no leverage after the Actors and Directors Guilds threw them under the bus by accepting bad contracts and even the WGA membership gave them no hand by overwhelmingly (and understandably) opposing any mention of a strike. Noting that the Big Media companies finding their financial footing again after the depths of the economic crisis. Stressing that New Media increases have gone the way of the VCR and the DVD: what was negotiated first is what you’re stuck with now and seemingly forever if the AMPTP continues to have its way. Laughing at the flimsy new meetings on sweepstakes pitching and one-step deals, and “contract provisions [which] have been added that require each studio to send to its creative executives a bulletin stating clearly that spec writing is not to be condoned” as if this will stop these hated but institutionalized practices. It’s such a WGA betrayal after guild leadership and Hollywood agencies pledged to work together to stop the studios’ blatant exploitation of movie scribes.
I had long predicted Hollywood could most likely expect quick and easy negotiations this time around. So let’s see… SAG/AFTRA spent just 6 weeks of jointly negotiating with the studios and networks on a new 3-year TV/Theatrical contract. The DGA took just 3 weeks and change. And the WGA could have bargained right up until its May 1st when its current contract ends but didn’t. The moguls behind the AMPTP always intended to negotiate with the writers last (even though their pact was expiring sooner) to ensure there would be the most Hollywood pressure (synonymous with antagonism) towards them if they negotiated too hard. Although SAG/AFTRA and the DGA traded information during their talks, they left the WGA out in the cold.
The whole point of this lead-in to contract negotiations for for all the Hollywood Guilds to better coordinate bargaining in order to present a united front to the AMPTP. Promises were made to “next time” secure better wages, benefits, working conditions. Even the AMPTP pledged it would reopen bargaining over those paltry New Media revenues. True, no one wanted another strike. But was the only alternative for the WGA to wimp out like the other Guilds? So now all the Hollywood Guilds rubber-stamped what crumbs the AMPTP offered despite this rapidly improving economy. The DGA was first to make it plain early on that they weren’t going for big wages (just a 2% increase) or even a better New Media deal. Instead the DGA negotiators were focusing on increased Health Plan and Pension contributions. Same with SAG/AFTRA. The WGA also focused on the pension plan. But all the writers I know in the guild who aren’t yet or once were big names are most concerned about losing their health insurance. Nothing for them.
I’d been pressing the Writers Guild with questions to respond to my analysis that WGA negotiators caved to the studios and networks. I’ve now collected their off-the-record answers (with the proviso that the responders not be identified) and put it into a Q&A format. If you read this and realize how much you and your fellow Hollywood Guild members got played, then hasn’t the time come to throw out all the current bums and install new union leadership?
Here’s the composite Q&A:
DEADLINE: I’m shocked at how bad this deal is. Can you give me insight into what happened?
WGA NEGOTIATIONS INSIDERS: You have it right in your post. The companies singled out the weakest of the Guilds — SAG/AFTRA — to negotiate with first – and for whatever reason, the actors Guilds went along with it. The actors’ health and pension funds were (and are) in dire shape, with significant possible unfunded legal and accounting liabilities for the companies. So the companies put a lot of money on the table to try and shore some of this up (and limit their own liability). The AMPTP then refused to make any movement on anything else of consequence – and the actors accepted the deal. We’ve all know that the actor guilds were in “cave to merge” mode, and that’s exactly what happened. The AMPTP is smart: they forced them to sign an early negotiation clause 18 months ago to close out their last contract and then jammed them.
We don’t want to be too critical here of the actor unions, they’re in very bad shape, SAG in particular. SAG has to merge or they will cease to exist – and soon. They’re certainly in grave danger of no longer being able to provide even the most basic health benefits for all but the most successful of their members. They’ve been raising eligibility and co-pay requirements at a shocking rate that makes it difficult for many of their members to even qualify. Thousands of actors who used to routinely qualify for health benefits that allowed them to pursue the craft can no longer provide security for their families. And both actors unions were very close to being unable to meet their pension obligations and entering the “red” zone. The zone system for evaluating pension plans was enacted during the Bush administration as part of the PPA (Pension Protection Act.) Entering the red zone would have been catastrophic for all actors – and would have allowed the companies to enact draconian measures that could have significantly reduced pensions for actors long retired and dependent on these earned benefits. All that said, they made a crappy deal on everything other than pensions and health and left the other two creative guilds hanging out to dry.
Then came the DGA. Coming in early as they have so often done (jumping in front of our earlier contract date again). They also have problems in their health plan. They took an equivalent amount to the money SAG/AFTRA had gotten, and put it in their health plan. Made some very minor steps in basic cable that we think are counterproductive for writers (increases on very high budget minimums – that only one or two shows will hit, if ever). And called it a day.
Then, and only then, was the AMPTP prepared to have even preliminary conversations with us. Candidly, we were concerned (the leadership and staff) that they were planning to push us into a “take it or leave it” pattern offer right up against our contract expiration date. We felt we could maneuver them into giving us a bit more than the pattern if we could force them into an earlier deadline. We were worried they were going to jam us with rollbacks at the last minute, and if they did, we’d have no time to go back to our members and properly organize to get enough of head of steam going to push the rollbacks off the table.
This was all predicated on what you intimated in your post – our members were not in the mood for a strike unless the companies put significant rollbacks on the table. How did we know this? We asked them. Extensive polling, set visits to TV writer’s rooms and we held membership meetings. The response was overwhelming – “we’re only just beginning to recover financially from the strike and the massive recession” “please, please, please, don’t strike…” So we wanted to go in and see if the companies would be foolish enough to put large rollbacks on the table that we could use to galvanize the membership. They didn’t. Lots of petty crap that we had to get rid of, but nothing to convince the membership to take another strike vote only 3 years after the last.
On top of all of this, our pension fund was (is) in trouble. The stock market hit of 2007-2008 shaved hundreds of millions of dollars off our plan. While not in the same shape as the actors’ funds or the DGA health plan, we were in danger of moving from the good “green” status into the “yellow” danger status – and then into “red” status sometime in 2014 to 2015. The PPA danger to future and present retirees was and is real. The AMPTP knew this because half of the trustees are management trustees and have the same actuarial info we do. We knew we needed the money (1.5% increases in contributions) that the other guilds had gotten to shore up our pension fund, but wanted to try and get something else to go with it. The companies are a little frightened of us – and we tried to jam them to get the pension money we needed and some more in basic and pay. We got a little bit, but not much. And that’s why you didn’t read any self-congratulatory crap in our letter to the membership like you saw from the other Guilds. We did what we could under difficult circumstances. We’re disappointed we couldn’t do more. Relieved we’ve shored up the pension plan and protected our retirees and future retirees.
DEADLINE: What was your biggest obstacle to getting a better deal than this one?
WGA NEGOTIATIONS INSIDERS: We had no credible strike threat, not even vaguely; and we had no effective alliance with either SAG/AFTRA or the DGA. Hence: no leverage. Regardless of contract expiration dates, the AMPTP negotiates first where it can get the best deal, then tries to impose the pattern on everyone else. In the absence of leverage, there’s little that can be done once the first deal is set.
DEADLINE: Is there any good news from what you did get?
WGA NEGOTIATIONS INSIDERS: This deal will cost out to approximately $60M across the life of the contract, as opposed to $40M or thereabouts in the previous negotiations. So in dollar figures it’s more than might be expected. Half again as much. (In the previous contract we were focused less on immediate gains than on the crucial jurisdiction in New Media, which we feel will be an increasingly large revenue stream.) The 2% across-the-board increase in minimums means something in TV especially, where it amounts to a cost-of-living increase. The AMPTP fought, and fought hard, for a carve-out of daytime TV writers, to whom they wanted to give no increase at all. The amounts involved, in dollar figures, were quite small: in the thousands. But the AMPTP kept grinding. The WGA made it clear that the 2% had to apply to daytime, too. It was, weirdly, among the hardest-fought issues, large and small, of the negotiation final-weekend endgame. We won. But only by dint of true (and admirable) persistence.
We were fortunate in that one of the AMPTP’s bugbears, first-class air travel, affects writers less than it does actors or directors. So that was less of a “give” for us (even if inevitable, given the pattern).
The increase (and prospective future increases) to the pension fund are quite significant, and will keep us in the Green zone. Which is, in these times, a good place to be.
As the statement noted after the tentative contract was reached, the lack of progress in basic cable is deeply regrettable. But we had no way of getting it this time out.
DEADLINE: But why accept this lousy deal so quickly?
WGA NEGOTIATIONS INSIDERS: There was no point in staying longer. Even with months of negotiations, nothing of substance gets done until the last 48 hours. We got their crap off the table on Friday, pushed them as far as we felt we could and got a lot of money out of them for pension on the last day (that’s a 25 to 33% increase in pension contributions) and the 20% pay TV bump. It’s one of the largest monetary deals we’ve ever done (2007 was a jurisdictional dispute — hasn’t paid yet, but it will).
DEADLINE: Wasn’t the whole point of the “next” negotiation to up New Media payments?
WGA NEGOTIATIONS INSIDERS: Yep. We spent the last 18 months trying to get SAG and the DGA to come along with us and make these a priority. While the monies generated so far in these areas are small, we believe it’s the future. The other guilds didn’t make any progress on improving these. We came last, without a legitimate strike threat, we were going nowhere. That said, the 1.2% formula on internet rentals we got in 2001 (as compared to the .66% we got on EST downloads in 2008) so far seems to be the way the business is moving with Netflicks, Amazon and iTunes. Too early to tell, but we’re sitting pretty – it’s the formula we always wanted on DVDs that the DGA gave away in 1985. Ad supported streaming hasn’t really taken off as a profit center for the companies (note moving Hulu behind a pay wall that kicks in our 1.2% rate). We still believe the streaming windows should be shorter. Same with the residual rates for streaming.
DEADLINE: And aren’t the Big Media companies doing well right now financially — at least that’s what they’re telling Wall Street? Shouldn’t they share the wealth with the people who are creating their content?
WGA NEGOTIATIONS INSIDERS: No shit. Particularly in TV, the ad market is back, pay TV is printing money and basic has turned into a major revenue generator. Film business is struggling, but we don’t think that’s because they have to pay writers a couple of extra bucks on minimums. Screen is where we’re having the most trouble making any kind of progress to help screenwriters – they’re getting killed. Double digit decreases in the number of films being made. Third fewer scripts going into development, that’s a lot fewer paychecks for screenwriters. Add into that the one-step deals that have become industry standard for most deals (and the pressure to do free rewrites that goes with the one-step deals) and screenwriters are getting hammered. We tried to limit one-step deals, sweepstakes pitching and other abusive practices, but didn’t get much of anywhere in this deal.
DEADLINE: And what happened to those promises made at the end of the last contract negotiations? Didn’t all three guilds pledge they’d do things different this time and join together and fight, fight, fight for substantially more this contract go-round and their rightful share of the money pie if only members elected more “moderate” leadership than the militants of yore?
WGA NEGOTIATIONS INSIDERS: It takes partners to dance. We tried, believe me, we tried. Lunches, meetings, shared information. Frankly, SAG has had so many internal political problems that they’re in survival mode. They have to merge to survive and they know it. They wanted to shore up their health and pension plans as much as they could and then get to the business at hand – merging and trying to figure out how to make the merged institution back into a functioning union that can use it’s collective power to get back to serving their members. SAG/AFTRA’s situation is frustrating for all of us. If they could ever return to being a functioning union, they’d be by far the most powerful of the three creative unions. Ken Howard seems to be doing an excellent job trying to pull them together. We all hope they can get it together, we need bargaining partners to make progress on basic cable and many other issues.
As you well know, there’s a lot of history between the DGA and WGA (much of it not very good – see 2007). We’ve made some progress, we’re back to communicating on a regular basis, trying to repair some relationships. We talked about the importance of both going for significant improvements in the new media formulas and basic cable. But when they came out with a deal, there weren’t any significant improvements in either area. We can only assume they did what they thought was best for their membership… We’ll keep trying.
Doubt any of this will be satisfying – we know we’re not satisfied by the outcome. But these are our impressions of what happened. With our pension plan stabilized we hope the Guild will turn it’s full attentions to organizing our members and the industry to make substantial changes in the basic cable formulas and fight for jurisdiction of the emerging digital technologies in the future.
DEADLINE: Wasn’t WGA President John Wells as a big-time network, cable, and now pay channel producer and a patsy for Warner Bros boss and anti-guild hardliner Barry Meyer incredibly conflicted on issues involving writers? Wasn’t he looking after his own interests first wih this contract and kept his Southland budget down at TNT while also getting a hefty 20% bump for his Shameless writers at Showtime.
WGA NEGOTIATIONS INSIDERS: We don’t know that he’s incredibly conflicted on issues involving writers. We know that it might appear to some that he is, but the monies that go to writers for increases in minimums and residuals are very small (one of the things that’s so fucking irritating about negotiating these contracts) – a 1% difference in minimums represents very little to the companies, and people like him who are sometimes profit participants, but can make a big difference to a writer, actor, director, Teamster or crew member. Writer-producers who are also profit participants (pretty much every EP and or creator in television) aren’t worried about the extra 150 bucks that a 1% minimum increase causes in 1/2 hour or 300 bucks in an hour – studio air conditioning fees for the stages can cost that an hour. Studio overhead charges and facility use charges, offices we’re forced to use in a rundown trailer that faces a dumpster that cost three times the office rent of a similar space in Beverly Hills or Century City – that’s what impacts profit participants. Not minimum increases and health and pension contributions.
We fight for the writers we work with to get them paid more on the shows we’re working on and we care for the community of writers because they’re us. To follow your logic, every EP and writer who creates a show should be opposed to any increase in costs for any show they’re associated with. But showrunners were the backbone of the 2007 strike. The strike couldn’t have succeeded without them. Millions of dollars were lost by showrunners – and it was done to insure the future of all writers. The picket lines were manned by Matt Weiner and Steve Levitan, Carlton Cuse and Neal Baer – among hundreds of others.
On a personal note, Wells’ mother was a teachers union leader, he’s belonged to five unions – starting with the carpenters union (he built houses as kid), the IA (the IA work he got is the only way he was able to pay his way through college), Actors Equity, the WGA and the DGA. The WGA supported him at the beginning of his career, protecting his rights and benefits when he had no clout to do so on my own – and it’ll protect him as his career inevitably declines and into his retirement. He’s 54 and got lucky with ER so his career is still thriving. But dozens of his friends, the writers he came up with in the business, are already struggling to make it to retirement with their pensions and health benefits intact. That’s what the WGA means to him. This community of writers is his family, these are his friends.
Editor-in-Chief Nikki Finke - tip her here.


This is a fucking joke. The head of the WGA is a fucking producer! That’s like having Jerry Jones negotiate a deal for the NFL players in their lock out against the owners. Writers have been taking it in the ass forever in this town and it will continue as long as this sorry ass leadership exists.
sincerely,
A WGA member who’s tired of working for free
The AMPTP represents the studios and many film production companies. Even though the final P in its acronym stands for “Producers”, it doesn’t actually represent TV producers such as John Wells.
Yes, it does refer to John Wells, as he is a shill for the studios. There has never been a “writer” as close to the execs as John. And there has never been a writer/producer who has done less for writers.
“Even though the final P in its acronym stands for “Producers”, it doesn’t actually represent TV producers such as John Wells.”
That’s just absurd. Of course all producers are affected (and therefore represented) by the AMPTP. Most all producers doing union shows/films use the contract negotiated by the AMPTP, and all agree to go along with whatever the outcome. When Tom Hanks tells his fellow SAG membership to (shut up and) take the (crappy) offer, he does so as a producer with a conflict of interest. Wells is exactly the same.
John Wells is not just a “TV producer.” His company is one of the large production companies that directly benefits from AMPTP’s hard line negotiating. His company not only has three TV productions currently airing now, none of which he is a writer on (Mildred Pierce, Shameless, Southland), but he also produces movies including his own P.O.S. “The Company Men” that whined and moaned about millionaires getting fired from corporate jobs and losing their fancy cars and private jets. Boo hoo. The man has no clue what it is to be a working writer anymore.
classic dipshit POV. ignore the owners, and focus on the so-called privileged workers. go rent eight men out, and learn a little bit about management and workers.
Dude, reread barry’s comment – you have the same POV.
Write for european and Internet companies
Put these tools out of business. Come to New york. This is what you get from your neighbors in Los Angeles. The only Gangster town disguised as a hippy town
(W)rite on Nikke! Wow, what insightful reporting. It’s like we all know the truth, we’re getting screwed, but you just put it out there for us to choke on! The rich just get more richer! Thank you for this piece.
Um, actually the showrunners you said were “manning the picket lines” were the very group that threatened to go back to work if the strike wasn’t settled quickly. Ergo, the showrunners were the people who made sure we got nothing.
Yeah… Cuse and Weiner and Levitan… Those guys are definitely hurting right now because of their leadership in the strike. They each had to sell off one of their vacation houses. Now they’re down to like only 2 or 3 each. Suffering under the pain of their 8 figure deals.
These would be the same showrunners who CROSSED my picket line every morning — oh, wait, I almost forgot. That was to render “producing” services.
Well said – I can’t speak to Levitan or Weiner, but wasn’t Carlton one of the most egregious cases of someone on the negotiating committee who was also crossing the line to “produce” his LOST episodes?
Yeah, it’s the writers getting rich, not the CEOs. Oh wait, writers earn 100,000 bucks. CEOs of the media companies earn 30-50 million. You’re a moron.
Get your facts straight. The writers commanding six figure paydays are few and far between. I am excited when I get a TV Movie for WGA min. $46,000. Sounds like a nice check and it is, if you can get more than one per year. Happily, it keeps me and my family insured but a family of 4 cannot live on one movie…
Um… I agree with you. I was making your point. I guess sarcasm is lost on you.
Nikki, I wish we had you at the bargaining table, instead of the timid and credulous WGA negotiators who brought us this sack of shit.
Now that is an interesting idea…
This is why I love Deadline.
I’m ashamed of every WGA member who voted to ratify this rotten contract, and even more so the negotiating team that presented it to us.
Not me I have never voted for a contract and I never will until the Guild addresses it’s horrible internal problems and lack of unity. We should be fighting the corporate takeover of TV with non-writing producers taking salaries which put writers out of work.
Thursday April 21, 2011
Stock grants accounted for big chunks of the compensation for those who top this list, including Discovery Communications CEO David Zaslav, Viacom CEO Philippe Dauman, DirecTV CEO Michael White, Nielsen CEO David Calhoun, and CBS chief Les Moonves. Radio station owner Entercom was off the charts: CEO David Field’s $9.1 million compensation was modest by media company standards but still 25.4 times bigger than average for the company’s other four executives. It includes $7.9 million from stock grants that only pay off if Entercom shares rise to hit certain target prices.
This is why I voted against John Wells.
Suck it, writers — you wanted this guy, now live with his shit deal.
Who was the alternative to John Wells? I couldn’t even tell you the guy’s name. All I can tell you is that he was a “Verone” guy and that’s about it. I never got the sense he campaigned hard or… you know what? Fuck. I’m not even sure it was a guy. That’s how much he/she got their name out there.
Funny you should ask, the other candidate for president was Elias Davis, who, since he was associated with Patric Verrone et al, felt he needed to dissuade fears among the membership that he was srike-happy. To do this, he said publicly (at campaign information meetings) that there would *not* be a strike in 2011. So, say what you will about how Wells handled the negoiations– I think this post is way too harsh but let’s put that aside– the alternative to Wells was a president who had publicly stated there would be no strike under any circumstance. Not exactly the kind of militant stance people on this thread seem to be looking for.
Thank you Nikki for putting these truths out there!!! There is no one else doing this. Bless you.
WORST. NEGOTIATION. EVER.
That’s kinda ridiculous. The WGA didn’t wait last time because they had a deal with the DGA and SAG the time before to all begin negotiations together… and both the DGA and SAG reneged and negotiated without the WGA. After that, the WGA knew they couldn’t count on the other guilds for solidarity.
And this round of negotiations proves the point. Again.
We need to learn from history. Not deny it.
It’d be nice if everyone here stopped blaming the WGA for the collective cave-in that were ALL our unions’ negotiations this round. What choice did the WGA negotiating committee/membership have? Another strike? PLEASE. Until SAG/AFTRA, DGA and WGA stand together and negotiate AT THE SAME TIME, UNITED, we’ll keep getting these BS deals. Who is advising the Guilds on how to negotiate — The Democratic Party? Make no mistake: it may be the recession everywhere else, but the studios are raking it in while crying poor and screwing the people who actually MAKE THE MOVIES. 2014, everyone better bring it, or we’ll all go the way of the actors in the UK. Look it up.
Steve, I don’t disagree that there’s plenty of culpability to go around, but this crummy deal just reinforces my conviction that we can’t let ourselves be held hostage to pattern bargaining.
I currently write, and have written, for a major basic cable network. This network, already known for being “cheap,” refuses to pay residuals until the writer opens a claim against them and waits months and months to go to arbitration. Then, and only then, do they pay what is contractually owed to the writer. Why? Because they know the WGA is USELESS and WEAK and can’t do anything to stop them.
I also happen to know that when the WGA was supposedly fighting for basic cable residuals and merchandising profits for the writers and creators of a hit show, the WGA LAWYER called the NETWORK LAWYER and asked what he should do! Yes, this happened. There is truly NO ONE fighting for the writer. It sure as hell isn’t the WGA. They might as well admit what they are: a health plan. The rest: the one-step deals, the free work, the not being paid on time, the not being able to resolve simple legal issues in any kind of timely manner… I’ll tell you what, if there’s ever another strike, this time I’m not picketing.
If there’s ever another strike I’m not picketing either. You hear that Companies? Many of the writers no longer support their own guild. Go ahead and screw us, we hate you but we hate our own guild leaders almost as much, maybe more.
If there’s a strike in the next ten years many members will be torn whether to support the WGA or just sit it out. Which lays the groundwork for the Companies to continue to walk all over us.
I’ve made tons of money as a WGA writer. I invested it well and I’m very well off. I’m considered wealthy. While I made my money in Los Angeles, as soon as I had accumulated enough I left the industry and split for a place where money goes much further.
Why did I choose to do this in early 2008? I saw the handwriting on the wall. Very few Hollywood writers will make a living at this craft 5 years from now. It’s over, guys. If you’re a young writer just starting out I strongly urge you to find a different profession. There’s no future in this.
I’m a young writer. TV. Heading into my 4th year. I made $400,000 in 2010, which probably puts me in the top 2-3% of earners on planet Earth. I’m still trying to figure out where I stand on the politics of the WGA (FWIW, I’m a bleeding-heart union-lover, and I did not vote for John Wells), but it astounds me when the old guard bitches and moans about how “there’s no money to be made,” “the writing’s on the wall,” blah, blah, blah … just how much money do you expect to make as an artist? Enough to feed your kids? Buy a house? Get dressed up and go out to dinner once in a while? That’s more than most artists get, quite frankly.
There are more outlets for everyone’s writing than there were, and more seats at the table for people who aren’t white and don’t have a dick — and regardless of whether or not we got screwed in this go-round, it’s a fantastic living. So publicly whining about the MONEY of it (as opposed to the FAIRNESS of earning a decent percentage of what someone else is making off you, which I 100% believe in) only makes you look like a jerk, no matter where you live and how far your money goes there.
Dear Young Writer:
You comment deserves a serious reply — not just some 1960′s posing “very happy not working for the man anymore.” (To Bogosian: Please. Grow up. Nobody held a gun to your head to take the cash. Try to come up with a less-dated cliche than “the man”, next time.)
Getting back to my point:
First, let me congratulate the “Young Writer” and wish him well. There were years I made what you did — in fact, a lot more.
And yes, we’re lucky. We earn more than 99% of the world. But unless you’re spectacularly lucky – in my observation, more lucky than talented – the overwhelming odds are that one day your $400,000 years will end. And you’ll find yourself at 45 or 50, having never made enough to really have ‘fuck you money’, sitting there, watching a re-run of your TV show, which you won’t be getting paid for. And you’ll wonder: How is it that Les Moonvez (or whoever is running what’s still considered a network at that point) is making $50 million, plus stock options – while I’m worried about how I’m going to put my kids through college?
You’re quite right that there are more opportunities, more shows, and more platforms today than ever before. Funny enough, you could say the same thing about opportunities for journalists: There are more web sites, more blogs, more content distributors than ever — and yet… It ain’t such a great time to be a working journalist, is it?
This is truly what we’re facing: The end of residuals. The disappearing returns from DVD’s. The devaluation of syndication. (When everything show is available on-demand, it’s worth less to a basic cable operator.) And let’s not even discuss the continued pressure to drive down writer’s fees. (Want to get laughed out of the film business today? Start talking about your last quote.)
We’re counting on the future in VOD — yet it may not materialize, in the same way that newspapers and magazines are now finding that page-views and unique users – the metrics of internet advertising – aren’t making up for what subscription paid, dead-tree subscription and ad-revenue losses. When this all shakes out in the entertainment business, it’s not going to be pretty: When cable a la cart finally arrives, half of the basic cable outlets will go dark; the net will offer you lots of opportunities to write for free – or next to nothing (remember the promise of Strike TV?) and this is going to turn into the book business: A few JK Rowlings, some up and comers, and everybody else writing screenplays while they teach College Lit. It’s not going to be a business where you can have a large middle class of ‘working’ writers and actors anymore.
(And before you laugh with derision at the idea of a ‘middle class’ writer earning $400,000, I’d advise you to do some serious math: $400,000 less 10% to the agent, 10 or 15% to your manager, 5% to the lawyer, 5% to an accountant, minus the Guild, Fed and State taxes, a mortgage, a car, minus private school for the kids (a must in 85% of LA), you’re still making good money, but you’re not rich by any means. And without the promise of royalties or residuals, on those numbers, you simply can’t put enough away to “Walk Away” and not have to work again.
You see a light at the end of the tunnel. I see a train. I consider myself very lucky to have put away all that ‘mailbox money’ – those lovely green envelopes, whose content now seems to get smaller every quarter… The WGA might have made the best deal they could, but our power is dwindling away.
Young Writer: The Spielberg’s and Wells’ aside, and careers in Hollywood have always been short and brutal. Heat dissipates. Promise doesn’t pan out. Be careful. And remember the words of Robert Frost:
Provide, provide.
Well, first of all, I’m a lady, so my chances of being lucky enough to have had any sort of TV writing career, no matter how short and/or brutal, during the golden age of quotes and deals and fuck-you money would have been… not great.
Yes, the business is changing. Obviously. And yes, we should save our money. Shouldn’t everyone, everywhere save their money? Whose job is stable? Who can expect to be in the same profession ten years from now?
I’m pro-union. And I’d like to make as much money as possible for as long as possible, like 99.9% of everyone else in the world. But to opine, as the original poster did, that a young person who wants to write for TV or film should “find another profession” because they’ll only be making hundreds of thousands of dollars for a few years as opposed to the fuck-you money of yore comes across as petty and spoiled, as there is certainly still a living to be made here, and it’s quite a nice one, all things considered. That’s all.
Though I would add that, frankly, people who want to be absolutely, positively, rock-solid sure they’ll have enough money for private schools and mortgages and all the rest of it probably shouldn’t go into the arts in the first place, you know?
>>>and this is going to turn into the book business: A few JK Rowlings, some up and comers, and everybody else writing screenplays while they teach College Lit.
Whoa. In my posts about the book business I say it’s turning into Hollywood! An emphasis on stars.
Holy shit. We’re ALL screwed!
“You’re quite right that there are more opportunities, more shows, and more platforms today than ever before. Funny enough, you could say the same thing about opportunities for journalists: There are more web sites, more blogs, more content distributors than ever — and yet… It ain’t such a great time to be a working journalist, is it?”
This is kind of the $64,000 question– whether the internet will impact Hollywood in the same way as it has journalism. I haven’t seen that- yet. Youtube doesn’t threaten CBS the way that, say, the Huffington Post threatens the New York Times, because the content on CBS is a lot harder to produce much more cheaply in the same way, and plus there isn’t the aggregator effect. If someone in their basement puts together a scripted hour-long show and posts it online and it then *consistently* gets network level eyeballs– and this could happen someday– then I’ll be worried. Meanwhile, TV ad revenue is rising even as newspaper ads bottom out, etc.
I’m much more worried about the effect of piracy on the business of Hollywood. But that’s a whole other topic.
And I think the concerns about the career longevity in this post– legitimate concerns for sure– were also concerns in ’81, ’91, and 2001. So it’s not that you’re *wrong*, it’s just that I don’t think things are changing as much as you think they are.
Wow. I just want this post now to be a discussion between “Young Writer” and “Young Writer’s Older Brother”.
A writer who made decent money, yet who doesn’t know that you don’t put an apostrophe in the plural word “Spielbergs”, and that you make a name ending in “s” like Wells plural by writing “Wellses”. Sigh.
#James – One assumes “Young Writer’s Older Brother” made money because he was a good storyteller not because he was a grammarian. I think he made some fine points myself.
“sitting there, watching a re-run of your TV show, which you won’t be getting paid for. And you’ll wonder: How is it that Les Moonvez (or whoever is running what’s still considered a network at that point) is making $50 million, plus stock options”
1st, you got paid when you wrote the show in the first place. A guy who built a car doesn’t get paid again every time someone sells it on Craig’s List.
2nd. You wrote ONE show. Les Moonves is the head of a multi-national corporation with thousands and thousands of employees and many, many divisions. You seriously think you can compare salaries for what you do vs. what he does?!?
Nice counter. Now you’ll be called a shill, unfortunately. No room for a different take. Enjoy your success!
ditto
very happy not working for the man, anymore
but when it was good, it was very good. let’s hope the pension doesn’t croak
Point of fact, teamaster4life, it was SAG who botched things from the get-go by previously taking their negotiations one year out of step. Do the research.
WGA should have gone on strike this time. They should have voted to STAY on strike last time.
The current WGA leadership has to go. They’re gutless.
Until SAG/AFTRA merge and, dare I say, WGA and DGA merge, it will get worse for all three guilds.
They all missed the New Media bandwagon.
What is going to happen in the next few years when contracts begin to come up again?
I am,
The Hollywood Republican
I’m with you buddy, you don’t vote for a guy who you know will cave in negotiations, then complain when he caves in negotiations.
Clearly you did not read this article. If the membership would not support a strike, there is no leverage. All of you whiners need to look at the bright side. And to me, pension is very important. Each and every one of you angry, bitter people would have done the same thing whether you were a producer or not.
Yes. Leadership is only as strong as the membership. If 90% of the membership is saying “PLEASE PLEASE DON’T STRIKE” then the leadership has nothing to bargain with.
Obviously, what you’re failing to consider, Nikki, is how terrific the SAG and WGA contracts are for the already very successful. Ken Howard thinks the SAG contract is TERRIFIC, because he personally told me they shouldn’t have to worry about actors who only work a half dozen, 4 or just two times a year. As he told me, “We all know they’re really just waiters and waitresses.”
Successful writers who have gigs right now, especially those who have a real piece of whatever they’re working on, and the writer/showrunners, all the folks like them, have ZERO concerns about the contract… for themselves.
Fortunately, there ARE some successful folks in all of those occupations who recognize their good fortune, and their responsibility to those with far less influence. But they have had little to do with the negotiations, and certainly no influence in them.
And as far as AFTRA goes, well they’ve happily accepted the label of 3rd class citizen for years. As far as the AFTRA leadership is concerned, the only folks in the industry on a lower rung of the ladder than AFTRA’s leadership are AFTRA’s members. Indeed, their big dream of prestige is being able to tie themselves to the letters S-A-G.
Nikki, please, in the future when bad-mouthing these contracts, please remember, the contracts are either terrific for, or completely immaterial to, the people who really are most important in the industry – the highly successful.
And who really gives a shit about those folks Ken Howard dismisses as waiters and waitresses, or the folks the WGA leadership regards as typists and assistants?
Not so fast, Miss Finke.
There is one creative union left that still has a deal to negotiate. Looks likes it’s up to the Animation Guild to kick some studio ass and show their big brothers how its done…
Hey’s who’s that laughing in the back?
Animation Domination, right?
For more than a year I’ve been one of dozens of writers that has struggled to unionize at NBCU-Comcast. Management has steadfastly refused to acknowledge overwhelming support to join the WGA from the writers working on its scripted shows.
My story isn’t over yet…but that’s a post for another evening. And please — these are all scripted shows — no posts about reality programs under this entry.
And now my 2 cents relevant to this post: John Wells has been remarkably hands-on during the past year.
He takes metric tons of shit for being a producer/show-runner & writer — but he was elected to his position by the guild membership. Wells is not giving up his time so he can feel welcome at the eventual photo-op when the NBC-U writers make it into the WGA. He’s staying a part of this process because he understands this company’s business plan moving forward is to produce NON-UNION content across its entire spectrum. He’s with us because this is an important fight to win for the WGA — and win now.
The anonymous comments on this site calling John Wells a shill for studios are outrageous. And the bile has not been limited to WGA staff either — hard working & honest Comcast execs have been unfairly smeared by gutless anonymous posters.
I can only speak to you from my own experience and tell you in all honesty — that John Wells is an honorable man trying to do what’s right for current & future members. If you want to know all there is to know about the current dealings between the WGA & the AMPTP just re-read this critical question & answer from above:
DEADLINE: What was your biggest obstacle to getting a better deal than this one?
WGA NEGOTIATIONS INSIDERS: We had no credible strike threat, not even vaguely; and we had no effective alliance with either SAG/AFTRA or the DGA. Hence: no leverage.
Ultimately you can’t expect your leaders to deliver what you are not willing to fight for yourself. The AMPTP laughs themselves to sleep on a bed of money each night at the way the creative forces of this town proudly divide themselves from one another. What a shame. Could you imagine what could be won if the unions worked together?
If you believe Wells is a problem: vote him out. If you believe the contract is no good, vote against it. Anything else is a crybaby parade across the internet.
Regards,
Not In The Union Yet
Gangs and the AMPTP prevail in Los Angeles.
The pervasive Los Angelino philosophy is if you stand up against a gang or a bully or anyone or anything you’ll get what’s obviously coming to you –what you deserve. I suppose that’s the kind of philosophy they teach to intellectuals in colleges.
In Los Angeles watching the brave get blackballed, get thought of as difficult and passed by, or take a beat down seems to give people who see themselves a smart great pleasure. They think they’re getting ahead because they are smart enough not to make eye contact and to walk away from a fight.
Well, we’re not getting ahead. We are letting the bullies prosper. We’ve facilitated the degeneration of our own community.
The truth is if we don’t stand up and stand together we get what we deserve. The spoils are finger-pointing anonymously on a comment board.
Enjoy it.
Collectively we all got what we deserve.
Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. AMPTP’s union busting tactics are working. They’ve successfully sown discord amongst union members and between the unions. Now would be a good time to infiltrate the filthy, corrupt union leadership and oust the puppets, covertly of course. While we smile in their faces. Give what we get. Wearing wires, bribes can be exposed. Stuffed ballot boxes and mishandled, uncounted votes can be brought to light too. And favors, well, we all rely on favors here in la-la-land, don’t we? So let’s do ourselves a favor and get militant on this union-busting, evil AMPTP. I know Cagney, et. al. must be turning up in their graves about now.