Three weeks after signing off on the PROTECT IP Act, the Senate Judiciary Committee today approved the Commercial Felony Streaming Act, which classifies illegal online streaming of copyrighted content a felony. The bill essentially cleans up the language to make illegal streaming the same level of crime as illegal peer-to-peer downloading, which is already a felony. The move was praised by the Hollywood creative community, which is backing the tougher law. “The illegal streaming of motion pictures and television programming is as financially devastating for our industry as is illegal downloading,” said Jean Prewitt, president and CEO of the IFTA, which is part of an industry coalition that includes the MPAA and NATO. “Stealing is stealing, regardless of the means in which the product is being received. This legislation is a critical step forward in the piracy fight and, we commend the Committee for their support.” Said a joint statement from AFTRA, the DGA, IATSE, SAG, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters and the American Federation of Musicians: “As the Guilds and Unions that represent more than 400,000 entertainment industry workers including craftspeople, actors, technicians, directors, musicians, recording artists and others whose creativity is at the heart of the American entertainment industry, we are dedicated to the passage of strong legislation that will help us to protect the jobs, residuals and pension & health benefits that allow our members to make a living creating the movies, television shows and sound recordings that are enjoyed by millions around the world.”


So when does the FBI stage a raid on YouTube HQ?
Does anyone really think they would do that?
yes, they have a war on drugs and attacked an innocent family.
why not this?
Because the U.S. sucks up to big business, not attack it.
Correction.
They suck up to corrupt business.
Just because they wouldn’t doesn’t mean that they should be able to, as this seems to indicate…
funny thing about this, a lot of the streaming sites have been moving their main servers to countries that have no legal ties with the US, leaving this law completely inept since they dont have to divulge IP sources, only thing this law is doing is delaying the inevitable, oh yeah, and giving live stream sites more publicity
Sure, I can see a case for Hosting or uploading copyrighted material as a felony b/c you are creating the venue for 1,000s of views of material that would otherwise be purchased. But c’mon, viewing the streamed material shouldn’t be any higher than a misdemeanor.
At a time when she have honest-to-God bread lines at food pantries around the country, I cannot think of a more boneheaded law. (I’m all for enforcing copyrights – but go after the people putting it up not the folks who are going to have to take the heat b/c their idiot children were streaming Doctor Who shen they should have been doing their algebra.)
Maybe I am being stupid but are they making it illegal for someone to just HOST a streaming film or illegal to VIEW it as well?
“creating the venue for 1,000s of views of material that would otherwise be purchased”
Actual research done on the subject has shown that people are not more likely to buy a product if the option to download it for free is removed.
Good. I don’t believe we should arrest people for this in regular practice, just because there are worse things to worry about, but a few very high profile arrests will do a ton to curb this practice. People don’t even think of it as stealing and that needs to change. Nobody I know would tell me they walked into the Gap and stole a t-shirt, but half the people I know, even in entertainment, will with no hesitation say they downloaded or streamed something illegally. The mentality that it isn’t even wrong, needs to change. Do a few high profile arrests and make people realize what they’re doing.
You think streaming = stealing?
What are you smoking?
Stealing is when you take something from someone and they no longer have possession of it.
When I copy a file, the original doesn’t magically disappear from the owner’s possession.
I’m assuming you’re not a lawyer.
Are you claiming that walking into a movie theater without paying isn’t theft? Because it is. You’ve stolen the service of them providing the movie. It’s in fact called theft of service…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_of_services
If I invent a new light bulb and you steal a digital copy of my design and then produce the light bulb, are you saying I have no claim, because I still have a copy of my design?
There are many kinds of theft.
Watching a show via an illegal stream is one of them. You’ve stolen from any number of unnamed parties who are legally paying the owner of the copyright an amount so they can provide said streaming service.
Sorry, kiddo. But in the digital world, music, tv, movies, aren’t products that are made as tangible as paintings were. They are products that are experienced. The experience is what you pay for. If you take it in anyway without paying for it in a manner acceptable to the copyright holder of the product, that is theft.
People like you are the exact reason I made my above comment.
And thats the problem my friend, no one seems to understand what streaming is anymore.
I think this is just bogus! So does this mean YouTube, Facebook, Hulu, Netflix… I could go on forever. Why are they worrying so much about something so little. The movie industry already makes enough money. As much as I have a passion for film, this is by far the most ridiculous law passed due to piracy, (if that’s what you want to call it).
Are you out of your mind. I pay more and more for retirees and my pension and health coverage due to high ILLEGAL DOWNLOADS. just because it was’nt the original and only copy it still chips away at the residule revenes that make up about 80% of the coverage for people who helped make that RODUCT. so please educate yourself before you go off half cocked and mis-inform others. THANK YOU
Actually, infringement is worse than theft, since you can only steal something once, but infringement is essentially unlimited, starting with one “mere” copy. It’s “funny” how theives and their sympathizers always get that exactly wrong.
Clearly not a deep thinker. Arguing semantics doesn’t make it right. If something is owned by someone else and they mean to sell it, wether it’s “ones and zeros” or a polyester blend, then that item, product, property… is not yours for the taking. Facts are facts and trying to argue black and white without acknowledging the shades of grey is simple minded and a little greedy. “It’s online therefore it’s within my rights to have it” is the stupidest argument anyone can make. “Hey there’s a car parked in front of the hotel with the keys in it… well I guess it’s within my right to have that too.”
If this law passes, posting a video of yourself singing karaoke at your favorite bar can land you 5 years in prison and a felony conviction. Congress needs to let this bill die.
Actually, that would be “Fair Use”.
Not necessarily.
Look at ASCAP, BMI, and the copyright status surrounding the “Happy Birthday to You” song, and then you may wish to reconsider that assertion.
I believe what you meant to say was “The move was praised by the Hollywood business community”. I have never met anyone that is part of the “Hollywood creative community” who believes digital pirating should be criminalized to the extent that it is. As part of said community, almost everyone I know, myself included, does or has at some point illegally downloaded creative content.
As someone who writes and creates content in the Hollywood creative community (specifically TV), and someone who likes to be paid for my services so I can eat an apple and still afford to go on vacation once in a while… It’s nice to meet you Correction.
As someone who honestly can’t afford an apple and isn’t just pretending they’re having money problems to prove a point, perhaps if Hollywood came up with more quality content people would actually be willing to pay for it.
Ok, now that we have that one taken care of, when does this criminal act get taken care of?
Did these guys invent anything? Do they create anything? Or do they simply do what a showrunner does, but in a tie?
Moonves Scores $57.7M CBS 2010 Payday
Viacom’s Philippe Dauman Scores Major Payday – CEO amassed $84.5 million in stock, salary and other benefits during Viacom’s fiscal year
AND I A 27 YEAR VETERAN OF THE FILM INDUSTRY PAY MORE AND MORE FOR MY FAMILIES HEALTH BENEFITS AND OTHER BENEFITS ARE SLIPPING AWAY DUE TO A HUGE PART OF PIRACY. THE RICH IN OUR BUSINESS DOSENT GET HURT BUT US LITTLE GUYS (400,000) DO!
Gee whiz. I publish pieces in newspapers, and folks seem genuinely surprised when I get mad about all the people violating copyrights I own. Who’s standing up for the likes of me against, say, the Huffington Post? I once had a review I wrote for the LAT copied by a blogging lawyer who was working on a book about Thurgood Marshall. She wondered why I wasn’t -grateful- that she’d bothered to steal my work without paying me…. BTW, my freelance gigs don’t come with benefits.
I’ve lost thousands over the years. People like me have no real recourse. I’ll get behind these laws when legislators actually get serious about protecting -all- copyright holders.
You actually sound like an employee. If you own the copyright, you alone own the defense of that copyright. Lawsuits help clarify things “right quick” but you have to deal with laws, lawyers, rights, procedures. Much easier to write another article and whine.
Hollywood was created by filmmaker “pirates” running away from the east coast Edison Trust (which had inspectors going to theatres and arcades to check for the Trust symbol on any films).The trust had the lawmakers in their hands as well,but they could not stop the deluge that emerged.
The Trust eventually faded away, and the same thing will happen to corporate Hollywood once someone works out the new formula that clicks with the public.
Will I pay $14.00 for a high quality new release at home one week after it opens? Not likely,but I will probably pay $4.50 versus looking at a questionable quality download at home.
This is to really meant to help a lot of the porn producers, I feel, as streaming has really had a bigger effect on them, and Hollywood has seen the destruction it has caused to that business model.
For most streaming, you are not downloading a file, just pressing the play button on a console.The law would be very different if they were trying to bust you for playing a stream versus actually downloading a file.
Just pointing out, anything your computer displays, has been downloaded onto the computer. If you ‘press play’ on a tv show from megavideo, or anything, then your computer has to download the video file onto your computer before it can display it.
This is exactly why bills like this happen. Senators have the best intentions (I honestly believe this) but don’t understand the technicalities of the internet, or technology in general, and end up making it illegal to do anything on the internet.
The only way to stop shit like this, would be to make the entire entertainment a public sector workforce. Cut down on the 7 digit salaries for everyone, and let the public enjoy what they want, paying for it in their taxes. We all enjoy this service, it’s the best way to make everyone pay for it. Have to remember that the entertainment business is profitable, the government would do well off it. And yes, this should be done globally, not just America.
Gotta love laws that basically criminalize literally millions of otherwise completely law abiding tax paying citizens. Someone else said it here, but i literally don’t know a single person who hasn’t streamed or downloaded at least something at some time, I’m a college student and i simply cannot afford cable, so i stream, apparently I’m now a multiple Felon, and can be subjected to the same type of justice that violent offenders and people who actually physically smash the window of a store and loot it.
Just because you like to do something doesn’t make it legal. Odds are this will be a jaywalking law: Basically ignored unless you really do something stupid…like create a site that hosts hundreds of illegal copies…
I’m sorry you can’t afford my content.
Guess what? I can’t afford a private plane. If I was to go take one off the tarmac at the Santa Monica Airport, they would throw me in jail for theft. I also can’t afford to eat dinner at Per Se. If I was to sit down, eat the meal, and walk out, they would call the cops on me. And you better believe the college you’re in would make you stop going if you couldn’t pay the tuition.
The keyword in your paragraph is “otherwise law abiding.” You’re even acknowledging the fact you are BREAKING the law. Are you saying my method of making a living shouldn’t be protected by the law?
You clearly like watching shows. What happens when we stop being able to make it for you, because so few people are willing to pay for it anymore?
I Agree. I’m an aspiring writer/filmmaker and while this law seems a bit crazy with the current state of the country (being a hot mess of problems), it’s about time someone did something. Between illegal downloads and that VOD deal with DirecTV, I’m actually considering to go for a new career. People really don’t get that music, movies and shows cost money to make and most if not all of that money comes from sales. There are so many cheap LEGAL ways to get things, some DVDs are only $3-5, TV sets can get as cheap as $10-15 during sales and holidays, Red box rental is $1 a night, Netflix is $10.00 a month unlimited for 1 movie at a time (plus streaming of tons of titles for any plan), Hulu is free, Hulu Plus (have no idea the cost, but it seems worth it). Get over it people, you got to give money to get something good. People need to think of it this way, illegal downloads are basically if you actually stole the physical item from the store. Stealing is stealing, no matter what form you do it in is.
I have never downloaded or streamed illegal content. I borrowed a few bootleg DVDs when I was 15, but did not buy them and retuned them to my friend (I actually felt guilty having them. Haha). I haven’t watched a bootleg in about 5 years and don’t plan to, I like doing things the legal way. I pay for all my music from iTunes and I actually buy the physical copies of movies/shows. I don’t care for digital download but I’ll use the digital copy for my iPod if it comes with it as a bonus.
Younger people, including those still in college, don’t think they are stealing but they have not had to earn a living yet and they don’t understand what a massive detrimental shift the “innocent” downloading of copyrighted product has leveled on the creative world and the economy. Younger people may never make the connection but it will be more difficult for them to earn any money in the entertainment world if that’s what they want to do when they get out of college, that’s for sure. The world has changed and they will feel the consequences once they try to get a job or break into the business.
But, I don’t put all the blame on illegal downloaders/streamers. The technology, the new personal devices, have almost set people up to do it. It used to be you deposited tapes with the Copyright Office and there was very little chance of any kind of theft because where would they exhibit it or watch it? Digital technology, broadband, new personal devices changed all that. People buy the device and then they need to watch something on it. The device makers have created a monster and the creators of the content and the legitimate copyright holders are getting the short end of the stick.
Television is free, especially now when you can get a decent free picture with the switch to digital. I buy a lot of DVDs on a regular basis, however, there is not much in stock and I have to special order everything. I’m in the minority and still go to the movies, too.
All your comments here on not helping your cause. You come across as an ass.
I don’t disagree with you. But I’ve done enough of saying nothing, and the way to win this is to change the mindset. This isn’t a crime of necessity. This is otherwise decent people who could pay for the product, and don’t, because they don’t even think they are doing anything wrong. People who are stealing, need to realize they are. You have to change the mindset… primarily because I do agree that laws are a waste of time in this battle. That said, a few high profile arrests and prosecutions would help shift the mindset for many many others. Find a college kid at the top of his class at Harvard, and have Harvard expel him for illegally streaming on their network. Then publicize the hell out of it. Other college kids will stop doing it. That’s how this has to be fought. A few human sacrifices, and then use the media machine to show people that it isn’t worth it when you can just fork over a few bucks.
Well if you could be so kind as to develop some shows that are worthy of the obscene prices charged to experience them I wouldn’t mind paying. If Per Se was a poor restaurant I wouldn’t pay top dollar to dine there but if I could eat it for free I would. Today’s entertainment is mediocre so why pay top dollar for it? But if I could watch/listen to it for free I would. Make the juice worth the squeeze.
That’s like walking into an art gallery, seeing a painting on the wall, and saying to yourself: “This one is ugly and they’re charging $4,000? Well, I’m not paying that. Oh, look! There are prints of it for $50. I’m not going to steal the original, but what harm comes if I take a $50 print and not pay for it? They can always make more prints and sell them to other people.”
Millions of people are not stealing planes, walking out of restaurants, or not paying their tuitions.
You don’t get it. Millions of people already pirate. How are you still making a living? How are you still able to make shows? How are entertainment companies making record profits (or were up to 2009 before the recession)?
This is not about saving a dying industry, because it is NOT dying, that is a fucking myth they have been spreading for years. This is about corporations wringing as much money as they can out of the consumer. They want money when you sing karaoke, they want money when you transfer data between devices, they want money when you watch movies with friends, they want money every single time you view their content. Anything they can think of, anything people have always done since vinyl and betamax, they want to find you and make you pay, and they will threaten you with as much fines and jail time as they possibly can to make you comply.
This is not a healthy relationship between consumers and entertainment creators. It is insane.
Entertainment companies are still managing to make money but the quality of the content has gone way, way down. Look at the crap that is offered now — American Idol, Dancing with the Stars, etc., lame tent pole movies aimed at franchising and licensing. When a movie didn’t have to have so many ancillary revenue streams, when a truly good artist could have a hit on the radio and people would go buy the album or CD, there was more variety and more actual talent getting through to the market because the entertainment companies could make just as much money. Now everything has to spawn some franchise.
I agree with everything you said there. Except the very last paragraph. I’m 16, can’t afford to buy tv shows, films, music, and so I download them illegally. Want to take that away from me? If you do, you won’t get anything out of it, just an annoyed teenager. I’m not gunna buy your shit whatever you do, deal with it how you will. I’m sorry I won’t pay £10 to go see a film. I’m sorry I can’t buy every tv show boxset for £50, or a CD for £8 or whatever. I’m sorry I can’t pay the thousands of pounds that software costs nowadays. So if this bill is passed, you won’t gain any revenue. Studies have proven this by the way. The majority of people who do download stuff illegally will never actually pay for the product if the option to download it for free is taken away.
This is true almost everywhere I see it too. My parents, who have the money to buy all the stuff, would never download something illegally. My rich friend has spent over 50 pounds on itunes in one day. But then college students, teenagers, lower class people, they’ll download it illegally.
I truly truly sympathize for what you’re going through. I hope that there will be laws passed that do allow you to be paid for the work you put into something that benefits someones life. But, this law completely over compensates you for your pain, and has no real logic behind it. The ideas theres, but the law doesn’t do what it should, or was wanted to do in the first place.
Chill Out dude. The current version of the bill does not make watching the streams a felony, just transmitting them.
If I am not mistaken, streaming does not have to be downloaded if it is watched from the website it resides on, but it can be downloaded to be used by your own video player, if that is what you prefer. My computer does not keep a copy of a streamed video when I watch it but my history button keeps a listing of where the video is if I want to go back to it. The only time my computer keeps a copy of the video is when I want to use my real player instead of using the online website viewer.
>watch a stream of a South Park episode
>spend ten years getting raped, beaten, and psychologically mutilated in a federal prison
>cause an economic meltdown so catastrophic the country won’t recover for decades, all for the sake of lining your own wallet
>never get caught; fook betch’s and play golf until a sweet death in your bed (assuming you don’t live to see clinical immortality, which you’ll afford)
America.
Both bad, but apples and oranges. People want to rationalize this by pointing out something more egregious, but it all adds up.
Hey Derp go back to /tv/.
That’s cool, but I have to get back to streaming.
Wow I am a felon LOL I own and operate KennerCityRecords and Martin*Music*MgMt and have a bunch of our music up for download. I will not report anyone who SHARES!!! our music It is the new form of media delivery when we embrace that new form we all will be better off. More ways then one to make money!! Let’s use our brains people!!!
Seriously….
This law has nothing to do with the people who watch streaming videos online. The law simply criminalizes websites that profit by streaming pirated “creative content.” It’s the operators of these websites that will find themselves in legal trouble.
An the Patriot Act will only be used against terrorists.
Filthy Hollywood scum.
Does this mean we could get someone arrested by sending them a link to a stream of copyrighted content?
It feels good that the Senate is looking after the interests of the American people.
The most common erroneous statement made against piracy is that you are stealing from someone when you pirate something. The only time that piracy is stealing is when you are denying the potential profits of the company. For example, let’s say you’re going to buy a DVD of a movie that you saw in the theater. You’re going to spend $10 on it. You then reason, “hum… I really did enjoy that movie, but I think I’ll just pirate it instead”. That is stealing – a denial of profits, even on digital content.
If you did not intend to buy something, and you pirate it, that only opens to the door to you buying ‘the real thing’. Nothing was stolen if there was no intention of ever buying.
I don’t have much to say to this other than “wrong.”
The copyright holder has the right to determine all methods of distribution and the price they wish to charge for that distribution.
Your action of watching it is the act of you saying you want to watch it, hence the need to pay for such right at the price the copyright holder deems appropriate.
There is no, “Well I wouldn’t have paid for it, so it’s ok for me to watch for free.” But it’s a nice self-justification you have there.
I only pirate stuff I would never purchase or rent. A lot of us are like that.
Hopefully you never made a mixed tape back in the day.
Are you fucking JOKING?
I stream starcraft 2 regularly with sometimes around ~2000 viewers watching live. I regularly listen to commercial music while playing. The number of messages I’ve received from people saying after hearing a song they went on to buy albums from that artist is ASTOUNDING. I have single-handedly made bands a LOT of money purely by listening to music while I’m playing a game people are watching.
To try to imply that this should be a felony when it’s literally not possible for this to be hurting the bands (it’s not like anyone could be like “I want to listen to X, I’m going to go watch this stream!” since I have a large playlist of various music and I just listen to what I want to listen to) is absolutely absurd.
I have lost so much faith in the US government… this is utterly depressing.
What’s the difference between streaming to a few people online and having a few friends over to watch a movie?
Nothing, absolutely nothing
Might as well make that illegal too huh?
That already is illegal.
Only if you charge admission to the viewing. It is still a private venue. It is not open to the public so everyone can come into your house to watch it. Please don’t interpret the law, as you do not have the license to do that, and besides interpretation corrupts the law, by inserting things into the law that was never there in the first place. If the law is vague, leave it vague. Quit inserting names, places, and things into the law, if it was never specifically mentioned in the law in the first place! You do not have that authority and neither does a judge or lawyer!
Does anyone know if this makes streaming a video game illegal as well?
Well, I suppose I can rest easy knowing that those people heinously streaming copyrighted media are being hunted down, now that the whole continued terror threats, Syrian and Libyan violent crackdowns, Pakistan-US relations failures, and economic slump/unemployment issue is over and done with.
Oh, wait. Sorry, my mistake, I apologize.
I’ve got friends all over the country that I keep in touch with and we love to watch the same shows. I buy the DVD’s, and so do they, and we stream the show to watch it at the same time and have fun talking and joking about the show as if we were all at one house again like back in our High School days. Now I’m a felon? This law seems pretty silly without some kind of clarification.
In this high-tech digital age, streaming and pay-per-view downloads make HOLLYWOOD a whole lot richer than merely selling DVD’s, which are being phased out as they offer unlimited viewing of a movie in a pristine state. With DVD’s you can watch as often as you like without paying further -now HOLLYWOOD wants it all!
Specially after we keep buying the same titles, over and over again when presented in new formats.
Even with exact digital accounting, HOLLYWOOD has always cheated on paying the right residuals and the right taxes. Getting its political buddies to pass felony laws over downloading, is the same absurdity of having the FBI’s logo on everything. The same FBI thats infamous for destroying evidence, manufacturing evidence and allowing massive crimes to go uninvestigated.
How about the FBI investigating studio and union fraud, payoffs and money laundering… thats where the real crime is!