A word of warning to advertisers who are lining up in the upfront market to buy time on TV networks: Interrupting TV shows is “not something most people will tolerate,” says TiVo CEO Tom Rogers. In the 40% of all households that have a DVR, “the amount of commercial avoidance is huge.” That’s good news for TiVo, which helps people to zap ads — and also wants to help advertisers find “new forms of inventory,” as Rogers put it, to sell stuff to people who’d rather be left alone.
But Rogers punted on the sharpest questions about TiVo’s future that were put to him today at the Sanford C. Bernstein Strategic Decisions Conference. Rogers sidestepped an opportunity to say when TiVo might see a meaningful increase in its subscribers — at about 2 million, it’s less than half of what it was in early 2007. And although he said that he will “think seriously about a (stock) buyback,” he wouldn’t say what he plans to do with TiVo’s cash following the recent $600 million settlement of TiVo’s patent infringement suit against Dish Network. Rogers repeated his hope that cable and satellite companies will offer TiVo DVRs in place of traditional set-top boxes. The growth of Netflix shows that “there are a massive number of cable subscribers looking for additional choice” from a service like TiVo that integrates broadband video with traditional TV channels, Rogers says. “Cable used to stand for choice,” he added. “Now there’s more choice outside” on the Internet. But he doesn’t expect big technology companies to swoop in to become important competitors. Pay TV providers use different encryption and transmission technologies and “I don’t see the Googles and Apples of the world going operator-by-operator” to work out the kinks. Rogers also says that cable operators should continue to deploy set-top DVRs instead of remote storage technologies like the one Cablevision is starting to use: It stores TV shows on a central server so subscribers can record, watch, and fast-forward through shows using an ordinary cable box without a hard drive. That process “might be slower than what some might be suggesting,” Rogers says. And that, he added, would frustrate consumers who like to skip past commercials.






Hey, idiot…are you trying to destroy the entire television industry single-handedly? Zapping commercials is the worst thing to happen to television since….since American Idol. Ya moron, commercials are how studios pay for the shows to be produced, so I’d lay off the technology that promotes zapping, you big tool.
Video killed the radio star…
…and TiVo is killing the traditional advertising approach. It is time for advertisers to evolve and come up with better more creative approaches to how they market to the consumer. It used to be they had a captive audience for 30 seconds to peddle their wares, but that has been fading away since the VCR became mainstream ~30 years ago.
Product placement is gaining momentum (see ’24′ with the excellent placement of Cisco technology and GM/Ford vehicles or ‘The Biggest Loser’ with Subway, Brita and Ziploc). Some of these work, some don’t – just like commercials. In a world where we are paying a steep premium for cable/satellite TV (i have both), it should be our right to ‘Ad Zap’ and the networks should be challenged to innovate.
Don’t hate TiVo because they are revolutionary, or do you work for one of those outdated advertising agencies? We live in a world of free markets that is evolving at an unprecedented rate – note to suppliers: EVOLVE or FAIL!
Oh Yeah. 99% of commercials are an insult to anyone with half a brain. Sure, would you buy X brand because some celebrity is drinking it, or a car because wow it has special effects in the ad?
Companies need to find a new way to get to consumers, not with the same stupid stuff they have been doing for 60 years! Everything else has modernized, why not Madison Avenue.
TOM- create a TIVO for smartphones!
Well commercial television has cooked their own goose
by continuing to increase the amount of adds per hour, and
jumping up the volume 5 decibels.
It is insulting and an endless blur of blah , blah blah
Now if they could set their greed aside and switch
to a ” brought to you by a few sponsors ” type format
then I would pay attention..so too bad for them , they need to evolve already
Adds should go away. I’m tired of seeing ads on shows I pay for. I PAY for cable, I PAY for NETFLIX, I pay for Hulu Plus. Why should I have to sit and watch comericals when I PAY PAY PAY already. I’ve even complained to my local movie theater that they show comericals before movies I PAY to see. The average 30 minute network show is down to 21 to 23 minutes because of comericals. Try watching some non-American tv and see how little commericals they have if any. In fact most TV channels in most places in the world don’t have comericals.
“Rogers repeated his hope that cable and satellite companies will offer TiVo DVRs in place of traditional set-top boxes.”
hope is all he’s got as Tivo patents are all that’s left of value in the company. There’s no way cable and satellite companies on their own will use Tivo directly. Just look at how long DirecTV has taken to launch a Tivo based receiver and they made an agreement many years ago.
cable and satellite companies have already got their own boxes now. Tivo waited far too long to strike deals before DVRs became pretty much ubiquitous.
Plus they’re now taking on even bigger companies like Microsoft in their patent wars. They’re bound to take some big hits in cases where the other company has equally substantial patents of their own.
can you hollywood types explain why networks/neilsen/advertisers count dvr watchers in their ratings for ad rates. as states above, pple with dvrs or even ancient vhs recorders dont want the commercials. i dont have tivo but have a dvr with my cable and i watch 95% of everything on dvr and dont watch any commercials…saves time too as i can watch an hour sh ow in 40 minutes or less. so why count my dvr viewing
The currency for Tv ad buys is the average commercial viewing live plus three days. Theoretically, if you skip through ads you are not counted in what advertisers pay for. The data is not perfect but it is statistically accurate especially for reach against demographic groups. Tv data is much more actionable than digital data where the currency is monthly unique viewers and impressions (digital impressions are inflated numbers). This is why TV in general and the 4 networks especially get a disproportionate portion of ad dollars. Ad dollars will shift to digital en masse when the measurement and pricing improve. This is a bigger risk to TV ad dollars than DVR’s. It has turned out that DVRs have not resulted in as big as a loss of commercial viewing as people thought it would. There certainly is a group of heavy DVR users like you who never watch live TV or ads but it is not everyone.
They actually don’t count DVR viewing for people who skip commercials. It’s not included in Nielsen ratings.
They only count DVR viewing for those that are watching the commercials.
The Cablevision storage technology mentioned in the article is illegal. Legal action is already underway — and that is a good thing.
“Rogers punted on the sharpest questions about TiVo’s future…”
BECAUSE HE HAS NO ANSWERS
“Rogers sidestepped an opportunity to say when TiVo might see a meaningful increase in its subscribers.”
BECAUSE HE HAS NO IDEA
“Rogers repeated his hope that cable and satellite companies will offer TiVo DVRs in place of traditional set-top boxes.”
HOPE IS NOT A PLAN
Rogers is a frakking moron.
I record everything andf watch later to avoid the adds. Did yyou know The “The View” and “Oprash” after you minus out the adds (and in show prmotions for another episode) that each show is only 39 minutes.
I can watch “The Middle” “Modern Family” in less then 45 minutes! TV has done this to themselves. Thre was a time that Adds were limited to just 12 minutes per hour now were at 19 minutes!
I try to watch SNL on NBCV.COM but that was heavy on the adds as well!
Seriously Jason, DVRs are not killing TV, closed minded programmers and sales people are, and you sound very attached to this. With your rational, I guess you think we should shut down the Internet so magazines can stay in business. The consumer market should dictate how media works, and with the evolution of the DVR, Social Media and web based content, it’s time for traditional TV and Print marketing platforms to adapt to the market.
Since most households pay $50-$100 a month for advertising supported tv I think you are wrong. It is the industry that decided to double dip and the consumers are pushing back.
When someone is paying $100 for commercial riddled tv you will be hard pressed to convince them they need to watch commercials they don’t care about.
“PVR Market Collapses As T Box & Smart TVs Take Over”
“..Hybrid TV sacked 40 staff after the Seven Network pulled the plug on the TiVo operation who had only managed to sell…”
TiVo has failed to find an unmatched niche and IMHO the ride is just about done. Subscription fees are up, subscribers are jumping ship. Alternative services at competitive prices have taken over the market they once held almost exclusively. The only question in my mind is how long the recent hype will sustain the stock price before it is crystal.
The people I work with, 23(17 men and 6 women), ranging in age from 22 to 65 all have DVR’s. We have them to catch various programing that we can’t watch because of work or family commitments like everyone else, but everyone says the same thing: Love the fact we don’t have to watch ads anymore. People who don’t have DVR’s have never tried them or have all the free time in the world.
Ad zapping is doing for advertising what high gas prices are doing for fuel efficient cars: Forcing the powers-that-be to shape up. 99% of ads are shitty and not entertaining. TV is where people pay to be entertained. If companies start to make commercials that are legitimately as funny as the stand-up comedy special that is being interrupted, then people might actually respect their brand for giving them something with actual entertainment value. Which means they’ll actually CHOOSE to watch it. Which is a much more valuable experience than being forced to watch it.
Commercials will never go away. They will just have to get much better and break the tired old formula for what has worked the past 50 years when people couldn’t skip them. And with the universe of uncensored unregulated digital content online, people are being desensitized to the majority of “safe” corporate entertainment.
First of all, it is totally unreasonable to ask people to pay for watching ads. Initially, cable/pay TV solicited their service as “commercial free” programming, and then sold out customers to advertisers, in effect making them pay to watch ads. Secondly, seeking ways to “force” people to watch ads will not induce them to buy the advertised products. After all, the main reason we zap the ads is because we are not interested in the products in the first place. “Hard sell” tactics only turn most people off.