3RD UPDATE: Despite what Ryan Kavanaugh claims, Elliott Associates is making clear to me that today’s developments were another involuntary move
foisted upon Relativity because of the mess it’s in. Just as I and my sources suspected, “To clarify the additional investment, it is a single digit investment. Very single digit. The vast majority of Elliott’s investment in Relativity Media was Beverly 2. That has been taken back. Elliott wanted to have more control over the Beverly 2 money, which comprises 3/4s of their investment in Relativity. The Elliott money left in Relativity is very minor.” In addition, Elliott tells me that, despite what today’s press release says, ”Michael Joe’s hiring was Elliott’s decision. Elliott did a search and interviewed candidates. Elliott wanted Michael Joe and told Ryan he was being hired. Elliott made the decision, but Ryan had to release him from his non-compete. The wording below was negotiated.”
2ND UPDATE, More Details Throughout: By Ryan Kavanaugh’s own admission to me just now, Universal Pictures has been “bitching and moaning” about Relativity Media’s recent decisions to date several pictures opposite Universal’s. So Ron Meyer and Adam Fogelson have accused Relativity, which has its own distribution arm, of using its film fund Beverly 2 with Universal to gain a competitive advantage over the major. The result is that Elliott Associates has been called in to rescue Kavanaugh once again — this time, after Meyer and Fogelson insisted that Relativity erect what Ryan described to me was a “Chinese Wall” between his company and the major.
Relativity will spin off Beverly 2 and hand over operation to Elliott Management Corp and its new hire, Michael Joe, who used to be Relativity Media’s president and before that was a much valued EVP at Universal Pictures who is respected by Fogelson and Meyer. So now, in addition to Joe not being able to tolerate Kavanaugh anymore, neither can Meyer and Fogelson. It’s a sad state of affairs when not even Ryan’s longtime business partners trust him anymore. And neither does Elliott.
Forget the bullshit in this press release claiming Elliott in turn will invest still more additional capital into Relativity. I’ve just heard from Elliott sources that it’s a small amount. (As a different source predicted correctly to me, ”I am sure the bit about ‘investing additional capital in Relativity’ was Ryan’s idea. With one penny investment, the statement would be true.”) I’ve also confirmed that Elliott has been trying to get out of the co-financing deal with Universal for 6 months now and it didn’t want Ryan in the way. It wanted to deal directly with Universal. The quid pro quo is that Ryan is supposed to get an executive producer’s fee on each picture and this is Elliott’s way of getting rid of that payment to save some money. “This is spot on,” an Elliott insider tells me. “It is how Elliott is recouping the little money they are putting in.”
Talk about throwing good money after bad, especially after I’d already learned that big investors in Elliott had been calling Paul Singer and questioning the hedge fund’s exposure in Kavanaugh’s Relativity before the investment company took more control. (Elliott Finally Reins In Ryan Kavanaugh: Moves Relativity Prez Michael Joe In-House)
But here’s the thing to remember about Elliott vs Relativity. Elliott describes itself as a $17 billion hedge fund that’s been around for 35 years and has an average return of 14%. Still, the last thing it needs is open warfare with Kavanaugh. It also does not want anybody, much less its senior investors, to perceive that there are problems with the Relativity investment. What a hedge fund doesn’t want is to get calls from its significant limited partners or pension funds or sovereign wealth funds or high net worth individuals and the like asking questions which might lead to a run of people withdrawing their money. So it’s really not in Elliott’s interest to claim that its investment is in distress (though it certainly sounds like it).
But then yesterday Ryan went off the rails. (Kavanaugh Trying To Sell Elliott’s Stake In Relativity When Investment Group Isn’t Selling) Elliott was livid with Kavanaugh’s public disclosures. (“If this were my investment, I would be going ape-shit with the guy,” one source tells me.) Especially because, for weeks now, they’d been telling him to shut his trap or else. “So that’s why you have today’s press release that says all is swell and that there is some ‘deal’ between Relativity and Elliott. It will give Ryan the face-saving he so desperately craves, and it will get Elliott the cover it needs to get this off your website.”
So, at this point, people are telling me that neither company can be believed anymore. ”With Ryan and Elliott, it’s never clear. You look back at their prior press releases and it’s just a bunch of spin.”
For example, I was assured, and assured again, and assured a 3rd time by Elliott’s people that installing Michael Joe was completely Elliott’s idea. Kavanaugh kept calling me that it was his idea to move Joe over and promised there’d be an Elliott “correction” about it. Here, tacked onto the end of the press release below, is one sentence that took both parties more than two weeks to agree on: ”Joe was recently installed in his new position pursuant to a joint decision by Elliott and Relativity.” Do I believe it? Nah…
And here’s the joint press release just issued:
(Beverly Hills, CA) June 1, 2011 – Relativity Media and Elliott Management Corporation announced today by joint decision they are spinning off the co-finance vehicle with Universal, dubbed Beverly 2, to funds managed by its long-time strategic partner Elliott Management Corporation. Elliott Media Investments LLC, a newly created affiliate of the funds, will manage Beverly 2. At the same time, Elliott has agreed to invest additional capital into Relativity to help further its 2012 home-grown production slate.
The spin-off of Beverly 2 will allow Relativity to avoid the inherent conflicts of interest that have arisen as a result of Relativity’s move into distribution (as recently evidenced by the competing Universal and Relativity Snow White projects).
Relativity will remain a production company on each Universal-selected film and Ryan Kavanaugh will remain an Executive Producer. Relativity will now receive a producer fee on each Beverly 2 film for its production services. Relativity will solely be a production partner with Universal.
“As our core business of developing, producing and distributing our own product has grown to be competitive in size and scope with the majors, this move allows us to focus our energy on that business,” said Kavanaugh, CEO and majority shareholder, Relativity Media.
“This move allows Relativity to focus on producing and distributing its own home-grown product,” said Michael Joe, President of Elliott Media Investments. Joe was recently installed in his new position pursuant to a joint decision by Elliott and Relativity.
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Umm hello, this is a win win.
Malibu beach parties and helicopter landing permits have apparently taken its toll on Ryan.
Ryan. Seriously. Time to put the pipe down.
Men in Hollywood get so many chances don’t they?
Your move, Sony.
elliot associates needs to just sell their stake and cut their losses. What a mess.
Nikki, we get it. You hate Ryan. You hate Relativity. You think he’s a con man. And look, maybe you’re right… Only time will tell. I’m not betting against them just yet, but maybe that’s just me.
Regardless, this latest news seems like it just is what it is. Not sure why you’re doing backflips to make it seem sinister. Since acquiring Overture, Relativity is now directly competing with Universal at the box office on any given weekend… while financing their slate thru the Beverly 2 fund. If I were Universal I’d be “bitching and moaning” too. And if I were Ryan, I’d respond by promising to erect a wall between his old fund and his new studio.
Isn’t this just a solution to a pretty obvious (and understandable) conflict of interest? Nobody doing anything wrong… just doing business.
We can all wring our hands and predict failure and (for no reason I can figure out) count the days until Ryan implodes. Or we can be happy the guy is making movies, hiring people, and turning Wall Street dollars into real opportunities in our production community.
My gosh, a multi-billion dollar hedge fund in NYC doesn’t make my life better in any way. A couple more movies produced by Relativity every year may mean I go to work. Why aren’t we happy about this?
Every dollar the kid takes from the banks and invests in Hollywood is a good thing for this town. We don’t have to like him (and you clearly don’t) but we should at least be hoping he succeeds. I do.
Well said but Ryan is way ahead of himself in this town and people love to watch people fail.
This is only going to get uglier and the Industry is going to lose a buyer. We all lose not just Ryan and his staff.
Not really a buyer. They flaunt the Netflix output deal as pledged cash. “We won’t give you an MG, but we’ll let you use our Netflix deal”
That’s not a buyer. That’s a pusher.
They have min 12 slots to fill or get penalized.
yes, it’s good that Ryan spent money on films. But the quality of films he chose to spend it on is not good. The more under-performing crap that gets produced makes future investors LESS LIKELY to support projects. Look at Relativity’s movies that have made money. It’s not many. Limitless, Dear John, The Fighter and what else? One of the BIG misconceptions is also the number of films he actually makes. Because Ryan co-finances so many projects it makes it look like they are making more than they really are. And most of what he co-financed was with Uni when they were making a year’s worth of bombs.
You are right on with this comment. people in this town always love these clowns and defend their bad decisions with the old “he’s making movies and providing jobs” BS. Providing jobs to who? The same over paid hacks that have been bleeding the industry dry for the last ten years? Who cares.
There will always be people who want to invest in films, so there’s no reason to keep someone going who is only making crappy product and making audiences flee the multiplexes.
Here, here. Nikki needs to quit bashing and show all the good he’s doing.
yes its good that relativity is bringing in money and jobs with the films they do. What is not good is the manner in which they do it. Ryan’s ego will scare other large scale investors from putting money into the space. Ryan is a cliche hollywood producer and not the confidence inspriring manager that hedge funds want to see overseeing their investments.
Ryan must be drinking tiger blood, too…but, then again…Hollywood does serve its own special Kool Aide.
the long con is finally going to blow up and be revealed… well… those of us who have dealt with the Relativity morons know the truth… if I was an investor in Elliot I’d be pulling my cash out fast… can’t wait for the handcuffs to show up…
And putting your cash where? Real estate? The long con is Wall Street.
You should throw it into Comcast. That’d be a much better option, eh?
The house of cards had to come down eventually.
Damn Ryan if you ain’t a con man, you shoulda been cuz the court of public opinion says so #missed opportunity
LOL, I”m sure another alias for “Producerguy” isn’t Ryan K….
Without producer fees for each movie he cofinances, the Ponzi scheme will be up soon….
I see another Too Big To Fail / Barbarians at the Gate in HBO’s development slate….
ROOTING & BELIEVING RELATIVITY CONTINUES MOVING FORWARD & IN TIME IS STRONGER & MORE PROFITABLE THAN EVER
Lets hope its all a con, then they can get together and make a half decent film out of it, and throw awards at themsleves.
Great article and coverage of the issue. This type of stuff makes me check Deadline twice a day. Thanks guys for actual news about the industry rather than just celeb bull-sh!!
Despite the hoopla I have yet to see or hear of one remotely documented case of malfeasance or breach of contract by Relativity. An investor losing money is part of the inherent risk of any investment of any kind in any industry.
Dana Giacchetto, anyone?
Nice. That’s funny.
Your points are very true and for the most part accurate, but you overlook 1 important point. The fact that Kavanaugh “makes movies” is great in the short term, but if they fail to return money to the hedge fund financing his films (either because they perform poorly or he is mismanaging the funds) he is doing a long term disservice to the industry, as investors will not see Hollywood as a good place to put their money. It is a choice, a few quick buck jobs now with a guy who might be scamming Wall Street or several quality jobs over time in a partnership between Wall Street and Hollywood.
Bias aside, Nikki is doing a service bringing these concerns and ongoing issues to light.
Thank you no one of consequence. The long term problem of people like Ryan is that eventually no new money comes to Hollywood. We have seen this before, but behavior like this only guarantees that it all dries up again.
And yet the money keeps coming. Why? Because there is something magical about movies. Even in today’s attention deficit world – movies still offer something magical. An escape from the mundane. A journey into another world. A life bigger than our own. Games, music, and the Internet, while entertaining in their own right, cannot offer this kind of magical experience. Instead of trying to kill the magic and package the experience so that it can be sold down a broadband pipe, the studios should be encouraging people to experience the magic in theaters. That’s where it’s at its most powerful. And if Relativity go under, the money won’t stop coming.
Stop saying “magical” for two seconds and go grab a thesaurus.
That kind of “it will never happen to us” thinking is written on the path to bankruptcy court.
The people who (stupidly) risk their money in today’s showbiz care nothing about what you just said, in fact they’d look at you like you were insane if you spoke to them about the business this way. They’re into it for the usual reasons, fame-by-proxy, the chance to date/fuck far more attractive boys/girls, etc….you know, “glamour”. It’s a very expensive hobby, and as ever 99% will leave town battered and bruised.
You’ve hit the nail on the head, Alex. Yes, some people will go bankrupt because of bad business moves in Hollywood, but there will ALWAYS be a steady stream of newly-monied, fame seekers who will put cash into Hollywood so they can “live the life” and rub elbows with the A-listers.
Madoff of Hollywood?
Is there anyone who works at Relativity Media who is also a USC alumni?
yes (insert football joke here). but ryan is a ucla dropout who hires harvard and stanford guys. joke’s on us.
Who?
The money will continue to flow into our business, nonetheless from Wall Street. The sad things it makes it difficult for the small independent producers who need private equity investors to get there films made. How many times have you heard from investors that I will never see my money, Hollywood accounting blah, blah,blah. You get my drift. The problem I see is that Ryan is a great promotor period. He is not a filmmaker nor is he a great businessman or operation guy. He knows how to raise money. A genius at that.
I had a similar experience a few years back with a guy who was a great promotor at raising funds, however, when it came to business, strategy, operations he let his ego get in the way. He ran the fund like it was his own personal money store, really had no real experience at running a company and in the end he was forced out by the shareholders and left us to clean up the mess.
Unlike many of his peers in the business who started at the bottom and worked there way up the corporate ladder or as filmmakers! Ryan is an entrepreneur and usually they get out of the way once the idea is up and running and bring in experienced management.
I have a feeling this is all going to work out. Ryan, will eventaully leave, to save face. Relativity will move forward as an independent producer and distributor. Hopefully, with the right leadership the market will have another mini-major we can do business with. Beverly fund will honor it’s contractual obligation to Universal and move on. One last note, Kavanaugh I assume was getting a hefty salary with perks. Why was he getting EX Producer fees on top of that wasn’t the credit good enough. Talk about milking the money store. Mr. Joe if you happen to read this post. I believe I can be of help!
Cheers,
JAM
The inherent conflict of interest is not Relativity’s move into distribution, that’s competition. The conflict of interest is Relativity receiving millions of dollars in producers fees as compensation for agreeing – on behalf of Elliott — to fund Universal’s movies. How can you be non-judgmental when you’ve got a $1 million fee staring you in the face for spending someone else’s money?