‘Young Turks’ Cenk Uygur Out At MSNBC
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Cenk you’re awesome for sticking up for your beliefs and principles and not cow-towing to the “establishment”. I don’t agree with all your stances on issues, but I’ve always loved your ability to challenge viewers and spark meaningful (and healthy) debate.
You’ll land on a better network that gives you more freedom to express your views.
Well, being that The Young Turks Channel on youtube has of this moment 32,890,466 channel views and 505,073,176 total upload views, MSNBC was a drop in the bucket comparatively to the exposure he gets on his own. Cenk rules; and that’s coming from a Greek so you know i mean it! lol
Cenk, I have missed you terribly at 6 p.m. I made sure to be at home at that time every day — yours was the one show I wanted to see on MSNBC. You never disappointed me; you always got to the core of every major news story and gave the facts that most others ignored or failed to report. Now the suits have gone and screwed it up again. (What the hell is this false equivalency they keep trying to push on us?) Funny, but I’m about to cancel my worthless Comcast subscription. How’s this for satisfaction: I can make it a double-whammy and stop watching MSNBC altogether! In the meantime, I will keep an eye out for the smart network that snags you to host another show. You have too much to offer to not be a part of American political commentary on The Vast Wasteland.
Cenk was the best host on MSNBC since Keith Olbermann. Sometimes he got a little carried away with the rediculous lies of the Republican party and the weak spines of the Democrats. But, he was spot on with his reporting of the truth and denouncing the lies of the Republicans. He was tough on Pres. Obama, but some one had to point out Obama’s weakness in dealing with the Republicans whose only agenda is to prevent his reelection. The truth is Comcast, like all major corporations is run by Republicans. The Republican party is only the PARTY OF THE RICH.
Bad move, MSNBC. I love Cenk and you should have let him continue to be himself. His ratings were improving, but the Gov’t said ‘no’…no to the truth.
If Maddow was not on MSNBC, there would be no reason to watch it. They’re going soft.
They are? Have you watched The Ed Show? That guy makes Olbermann seem sane.
You got that right. Seems MSNBC is getting turning conservative. Guess they are worried the R’s will refuse to come on their LITTLE network if they have hosts that disagree with R’s. Maddow and O’Donnell need to get the h— off that network and join Keith on Current TV!
Another casualty courtesy of Joe Scarborough’s control issues.
american media sucks! Everyone needs to change.
Un-watchable, that fellow. Shrill. Histrionic. Mordant.
“Sell the sizzle, not the steak”. Ancient wisdom about salesmanship, the art of selling (especially ideas). Fox News excels at salesmanship although their product is tripe, at best (even though for me listening to Sean Hannity is like being trapped with 1000 barnyard fowl in an abattoir).
A broadcast network’s raison d’être is to attract a mass audience (or accumulate one, what Fox does so well) that can be sold to advertisers. Cenk consistently lost audience share in his time slot, even following Matthews, because he turned people off. I expect Ed Schultz will go the same way for the same reason before too long.
Are you daft? He had great ratings like he said in the video which i am not even sure you bothered to watch. Cenk improved the ratings of his timeslot and beat CNN in the demo and also beat fox news the 18-34 demo just last week.
“Bothered to watch …” isn’t the phrase I’d choose to describe it. He’s like a skunk at a party: his onscreen presence drove me away.
Compare him to Maddow. She can be just as scathing whether ridiculing Fox News’ constant dissimulation or the faux piety / rank hypocrisy of social conservatives and the religious right. But she does it with class. She’s educated, literate. Her weapons are deadly: irony, humor, cleverness, and guile; at times, she paints her foils’ excesses as inanities and stupidities that make them nearly Chaplinesque. Watch “The Great Dictator”, Chaplin’s parody of Hitler, if you don’t know what I mean. She punches above her weight, packs a punch Cenk lacks. She delivers her bitter pills with a light, playful touch. She also laughs — at them, their foibles, their stupidity, and at herself.
She laughs with them as well as at them.
Cenk laughs at them too. But his is hard, scornful, and never “with”. He speaks in a hard, strident tone, and with hatred. Who needs hatred? The World is filled with it. If I want hatred, I’ll go to Nancy Grace; Limbaugh; Hannity and his chuckle-head guests; Beck and his delusional conspiracy theories; or O’Reilly. They serve it on heaping platters, steaming.
The Suits over at msnbc told him to tone it down and broaden his guest list to make it more “fair-&-balanced” — to keep more independents who just watched Matthews and are about to flip to a news channel. Fox News Republicans might never materialize, but you fight for as big a piece of the advertising pie as you can get; in another phrase, they wanted him to retain more of Matthews’ audience to “boost his ratings”.
He didn’t. He refused. He probably argued with them instead. So they tossed him.
Good riddance.
I’m glad I don’t know you.
Well, I’m glad I don’t know you, too … .
Am I daft? “He had great ratings, like he said”? Do you actually believe that Uygar would claim he had marginal ratings? Here’s a synopsis of msnbc ratings (at http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com) for a typical summer day (Tuesday, July 12).
In the 5PM-6PM-7PM time-slots:
viewers by age group: | 25/54 | 35/64 | all
Matthews-1 (5PM): | 204K | 356K | 835K
Cent Uygur (6PM): | 180K | 280K | 644K
Matthews-2 (7PM): | 221K | 383K | 723K
Do you see Uygur’s first problem? His is a niche market. Overall, the numbers are low.
Do you see Uygar’s second problem: a 21%-25% audience decline (at the end of Matthew’s first show, depending on the age group) and a 22%-37% audience increase after Uygur’s show ends and Matthews’ is rebroadcast.
This is just one ratings resource, and the numbers are just a summary made available to the general public. As with most things the devil is in details that you and I will never see because it’s proprietary information. Advertisers, ad buyers, station/network execs do see the phonebook-size databases that analyze audiences a hundred different ways, including imputed spending patterns; how air-time gets priced.
The general picture is simply this: 20%-30% of the audience abandons Uygar at the top of his hour, then returns right after he leaves to watch the next series of shows (peaking at Maddow’s). In other words, Uygar’s show is a ratings hole in their week-night lineup.
Msnbc execs gave Uygar notes, based on that phonebook-thick database that you and I will never see, on how to make himself more presentable to the 150,000+ people who just don’t relate to a “Young Turk”. But he declined to accept them. Msnbc execs also decided to cut into his air-time to give somebody else a shot, if only to see whether that new somebody could attract a different viewership (by type, age group, and demographic) and maybe even add to Matthews’ ratings. Probably on the advice of his agent, concerned that such a publicized demotion would devalue the Uygar/”Young Turk” brand-name, he declined to accept that either. So he quit; left in a huff — announcing it so he could take his audience, his stock-in-trade, with him like a big marbles.
Does it really matter? Audience fragmentation will continue unabated. You’ll be able to watch Uygar somewhere — if you really care.
I subscribe to The Young Turks on Youtube. Cenk is okay but I’m wondering did they want him to tone down the entertainment aspect of his delivery or his political rhetoric? If the former, then totally understandable on a Network such as MSNBC. The request for more GOP guests makes sense to me also. They at least have to offer some semblance of balance for broader appeal. As much as I like Cenk I think he possibly takes himself too seriously, like most people. He may need to make slight adjustments or he’ll run into this problem again.
I love this guy. Sad to see him leaving.
LOL poor Cenk… so naive…
He only wanted to hear his side and his opionions. He appealed to a small loyalist base. There is anothe side. Even Bill O’Reilly has liberals on his show. I get tired of the left always crying. If we only learned to listen to one another and stopped onesided bitching.
Steve Singer is partly right. It is a shame you cant have an objective discussion because to mention Fox you have the name calling, the Faux News comments etc – but Fox has figured out how to sell its news programming. I have to admit – until i read this – i had no idea who Cenk Uyger was. I dont watch MSNBC a lot but i know who Ed Schultz is. I know who Joe and Mika are. I know who Rachel Maddow is.
And it is true that Fox does take in both sides. OReilly not only has liberals on a lot but in regular spots and also as his fill in hosts. Sean Hannity is not only a good friend of Bob Beckel but has him on all the time. Same for Alicia Menendez, Leslie Marshall, Alan Colmes.
But Cenk is right too -if he got pulled for doing what the suits told him to do – not fair.
I want to be entertained, not harangued or lectured-at; my father used to lecture me and after fifteen words I stopped listening.
Limbaugh and Cenk share a trait: both harangue and lecture. If anything, Cenk is (or tries to be) the anti-Limbaugh without the verbal artistry. Without that artistry, you get shrillness; who needs it?
I don’t tune into Fox (anything) because Fox bores me. Cenk also bores me.
That simple.
MSNBC has blown it, especially after Keith and a toned-down Ed.
I will be following Cenk to TYT.
Good-bye, MSNBC, & NBC.
Fox is wounded and vulnerable. Nows the time a strait up, truth to power guy is needed. MSNBC has a real problem trying to decide if Fox lite is what they want to be. CNN has already taken that role. Viewers are searching for the voices that will restore sanity to our political system and Amy Goodmans success should give the networks pause. I don’t want left or right but the truth and you deliver.
“Nows the time a strait up, truth to power guy is needed ….”.
It’s several decades too late for anything like that to happen because the World has evolved, moved on.
Walter Cronkite was probably the greatest “truth-to-power” guy there ever was (as Lyndon Johnson himself remarked: Johnson said he knew that he had lost the Vietnam War when Cronkite spoke out against it on CBS News). But Cronkite retired several decades ago and has since died; as has John Chancellor and Chet Huntley/David Brinkley, the other big “truth-to-power” guys of that era.
They served an audience that grew up listening to FDR’s fireside chats on the radio during The Great Depression and WW-2, before the advent of television. Their audience — that world, actually — no longer exists; its values, mores, psychology, like the good they did, now interred with their bones.
With the possible exception of the late Tim Russert nobody subsequently came along to fill their shoes, because nobody could. And in today’s fragmented 1,000 channel world it’s all about entertainment, ratings, and selling audience shares to advertisers.
So he got fired like Glenn Beck?
Did you even watch the video? He didn’t get fired they offered him a reduced role with the network for double the money, but he said no because they told him to “tone it down” because MSNBC is part of the “establishment”.
Hot damn, I just had a feeling that this was happening, but couldn’t find any reference anywhere about where Cenk was, nor was the reverend mentioning why he was subbing etc..I stopped watching msnbc when the did what they did to Kieth, but watched Cenk and Rachel..now it will just be Rachel. I hope like hell Cenk will join the Current line up..I’m spending more and more time on the network, and respect everything I’ve seen so far..but let me say this:
WHEREVER CENK GOES, I’LL BE WATCHING…AND I RESPECT YOU RIGHT UP THERE WITH MY TOP NEWS FOLKS..STAND TALL, STAY STRONG!
(I’m definitely not in the money demo, I’ll be 60 next month but a living, breathing, socialist, progressive democrat in the heart of the republican jungle (east tennessee).
Like, you know, uh, you know, like, if I can’t you know, like bash people with you know, like no facts, you know, like, uh, we all do at, you know, MSNBC, you know, like why should you know, right? I just had to, you know, leave. Right?
Cenk I think there probably is room for you and Rachael over at Current TV with Keith O. His show is starting to take off and probably within a year will have 2 times the viewers if Current is
carried by more cable networks. I thought you were excellent and My wife and I didn’t miss a show!! I know we will see you on the air somewhere in the future.
Like the comment before I also enjoy the host take no prisoner, attitude, especially against that clown rush Limburger.
And no one expected Comcast to turn MSNBC more towards the pandering outright lying style that Fox news had?
Comcast did that when they took over the local area NECN channel…Foxified it all the way. So again the plutocracy is going to win out over truth, ethics and morals..thanks Fox and Friends (Comcast).
You are absolutely correct that tihs is what Comcast has done to MSNBC. It is now the playground of the corporate and political elite. This station is no longer a viable alternative to the other pandering networks. Maddow has become a fear mongering fool and a toady for the middle. Good luck with that.
good luck you are going to be missed you just shed some light on msnbc management thanks for opening my eyes
I wouldn’t really call it railing against MSNBC. He really just explained what happened during prior to his departure.
LOL! “There are two audiences: the audience and the execs.” Welcome to Hollywood!
Liberals are so sad. He was told by his boss to “tone it down” and try to offer a differing view point. Okay. His narrowmindedness is probably the reason he got such terrible ratings. Even FOX has Democrats and liberals on. He refuses and is canned.
Does this clown believe that he OWNS MSNBC? Either you do what your boss says or you GTFO, just like everywhere else. MSNBC realizes that liberals talking to liberals doesn’t bring ratings, no matter what Ceng’s personal political agenda is. Do liberals like talking to themselves that much? If a liberal speaks, and no one listens, is he saying anything at all? This is the problem with liberals as a whole, they think everyone HAS TO conform to whatever they believe. The rest of the world doesn’t have to conform itself to the less than 20% of Americans who are liberal and want to propagate their views on a network THEY DON’T EVEN OWN. Who do you people think you are?
Talk about feeling entitled.
P.s. How radical do you have to be to be replaced by Al Sharpton?
You are one of the reasons why the population of America is so weak and fearful of authority. He doesn’t think he owns MSNBC because he left them! You may have to toil in the bowels of your socially and mentally debilitating, soul sucking, mind wasting company, but there are a few others who would take the road less traveled and stand up to the powers that be.
Why don’t you do your intellect a favor and inform it with some facts. Watch the video. Far from “terrible” ratings, they were, in fact, excellent.
(It’s the big “arrow” in the center of that big box up there. Just click on it.)
Do the people with the generic hateful comments even watch the video? I am assuming not by you saying he had terrible ratings, he beat CNN in the demos and just last week beat FOX in the 18-34 demo. I think people like YOU are the problem with the world, you obviously never watched the video and know nothing of the situation but just because Cenk has a different viewpoint from you, you come and say your inane insults. You might want to get your head checked you suffer from what most conservatives suffer from, being an absolute moron.
Yesterday I composed a long salient letter to CNN,which was deleted before I could press submit. I didn’t delete?The gist was Ali V+Fem papbots,puking up my morning.Then Cenk Uygur gets tossed for speaking truth to power.MSNBC has decided to take a ” neutral position”and Cenk rocks their “Yachts”in pointing out there is one Truth only,every thing else is perspective.Now,it was the “Repthuglicans” who declared war with the “Democrat”decided no further debate necessary.There argument consists of Lies,Propaganda,Defilement,they only show up to “throw rotten tomatoes”.I’ve yet to find one “Repthuglican”who isn’t motivated by,”Position-above you”,”Money-Lobbyists Grease”,”Power-ability to ignore the American People with impunity to serve their “Desires”And MSNBC wants to deal with these people.Sometimes you got to call a “Spade a Spade”and blow them clean out of the water,They don’t belong here.You are helping them “Destroy America!”So when you got some standing up to the fight,is this where you stand?I’ll have to reconsider my emotional affiliation with MSNBC.Thanks Tim