People who illegally download copyrighted movies, TV shows, and music will soon receive a series emailed warnings — and may temporarily see Internet speeds reduced or have their Web surfing blocked — a coalition of content producers and distributors announced this morning. The measures come from a new organization called the Center for Copyright Information that’s backed by trade groups including the MPAA, RIAA, and IFTA, as well as major broadband providers such as Comcast and Verizon. The coalition says it wants to develop a set of common best practices to treat illegal downloads much the same way financial institutions deal with credit card fraud. The participants say that they are working within existing laws and won’t terminate Internet subscriber accounts or provide user names to copyright holders. They just want to be sure that people know when they’re violating someone’s copyright. “Data suggest that, once informed about the alleged content theft and its possible consequences, most Internet subscribers will quickly take steps to ensure that the theft doesn’t happen again,” the group says in a release. The Center says that content theft accounts for $16 billion in lost earnings each year as well as $3 billion in lost federal state and local tax revenue.


How can anyone steal a copyrighted work? At best, you can steal the media upon which it is stored. But making a copy (via downloading) does not deprive the owner of the original. The term you are looking for is ‘infringement’. If one person downloads an unlicensed work, they have deprived the content owner of a potential sale, thereby ‘infringing’ on their ability to sell their product bad. File sharers incur a greater infringement, in that they deprive the content owner(s) of many potential sales.
But it’s not stealing. They should do something about Web Users who infringe on copyrighted works, instead. There’s a lot of those.
Making a copy of a copyrighted work without permission is a violation of copyright law. The copyright holder owns all rights to copy or otherwise distribute the work and that would include by downloading.
Boy, are you splitting hairs. If someone downloads someone else’s intellectual property without PAYING for it, they are, in fact, STEALING it. People don’t understand “infringement,” but they have no problem understanding “stealing.” Part of the problem with educating people about this problem is that they DON’T realize that it’s stealing–which is precisely why people need to call it that.
And for some content (especially movies), you could argue that most of it isn’t philosophically infringement since the pirate would have never watched it if it HAD cost him or her money to see it.
I mean, didn’t we just have a record breaking year for movies…again?
It always cracks me up to see how the people doing all the illegal downloading, streaming, copying, etc. come out of the woodwork when any advances are made towards enforcing existing copyright law or strenthening the law — and in the entertainment community.
Protecting copyright helps everyone who makes a living in any way, shape or form in the entertainment business. You cannot give the product away for free and you can’t let people steal it and then turn around and sell it. The concept of copyright is so elementary. What this industry produces, for the most part, are intangible assets. If the exclusive right to sell the content (and in turn pay all the people involved in creating and producing it) is lost, how can anybody expect to work in this business?
two words for you: “inflation” and… OK, one is enough.
Splitting hairs much?
A huge victory for… Netflix and Spotify!
Bravo!
my contention has always been not to download movies online (only screenplays – except warner bros scripts (smile)).
but the fair use law is so archaic (particularly in re of viewing copyrighted works online which is virtually non-existent) that lobbying to amend fair use may prove more effective than enforcing any downloading movies/music precedents.
Copyright law itself needs to be cleaned up and simplified. It is difficult to understand.
I work in education and it’s even more complicated than fair use. I can see stopping private for-profit only schools not being able to use material under copyright. But what about schools that are nationally accredited, even if they are private? Educating people should be one of the issues that the industry supports.
Hmm. And how would you amend Fair Use to apply to this scenario?
The fair use doctrine was really not intended to allow people to copy creative works. It is to allow people to use educational content for educational purposes. The more creative a work is (which pretty much covers everything Hollywood and the music industry produces) the less likely any fair use applies, unless it is to parody the original work.
Existing copyright laws are very well established. It’s high time that the entertainment community has joined together to do something. This helps struggling writers and independent filmmakers as much as it helps the studios to enforce their ownership rights. If the copyright laws are eroded, all is lost.
Ya know, in the abstract I have ZERO problem with copyright owners protecting their work. It’s the way they do it that is the problem. Suing kids for sharing songs (a disaster for the music industry), etc. I sure don’t want that horrid Protect IP Act which will just advance the Amerikan Police State a bit more.
While this sounds like a solution, you KNOW they will abuse it and that it will take forever for them to fix it if someone is wrongly blocked.
This assumes they can determine what someone is stealing. There are tons of sites out there that let you plug in a torrent link and then do the downloading for you. Then you log in securely and download the finished file.
Content creators and distributors need to change their licensing, pricing and release strategies. We need a global market in content at prices that the market will support. Then piracy will end. Taking this draconian route is ineffective and obnoxious.
Er… Have they not realized that most people will write off e-mail warnings as a scam and shove them to the depths of their spam folders?
this is some shit!, your telling me that making millions n opening night isnt enough, this is just greed!! some people live paycheck to paycheck an can not afford a $20 ticket per person for a movie, so if your not loaded you get left out. stop being so damn greedy, you actors dont need 1.5 mil to do a movie!!
Stealing is still stealing; weather you walk into a Wal-Mart and steal a DVD because you’re broke, or walks into a 7-11 and steals a hot dog because you’re hungry and have no money it’s still stealing. I’m sure you have seven bucks a month to watch Netflix and if you want to see new releases just wait a few months. Release dates are getting shorter and shorter. There is more to a movie than just the big paychecks the actors take home, it starts with actors and producers, then works it’s way down to the lowly studio worker.
Young people have this idea everything on the internet is free or should be free…well it isn’t.
That’s kind of not the point. If there’s a law – and it’s being broken – then that’s wrong and should be fixed. Just because someone can’t afford something doesn’t mean they should be allowed to steal it. I’m not saying it’s fair, but taking something illegally isn’t the answer either.
So basically, because you feel prices are high and you can’t afford something, YOU should be allowed to get a version free of charge?
How about this – if you can’t afford something, then you can’t have it. OR wait until it airs on a platform that you CAN afford – DVD, Netflix, the library has PLENTY of movies.
Just because you believe prices are too high (which they are, I agree) does not entitle you to any rights to get something for nothing.
Please try to understand something about IP, infringement and creator’s rights.
Im with you but that person is obviously not intelligent enough to comprehend your reasoning, or spell the word “reasoning” for that matter. They should probably not be spending their time watching Transformers in 3D anyway and pick up a damn book for a change.
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The prices are ridiculously high because of the theft, but the theft typically occurs because the prices are too high. Chasin’ tail!
Oh please. If you can’t afford it, then don’t buy it. I’d like a new HDTV – I can’t afford it. Doesn’t mean I get to steal it!
Consider it a blessing if you can’t afford to go to a movie. The majority of them suck anyway. Hollywood has lost its way. We aren’t selling stories anymore, we’re selling carnival rides. Only the rides aren’t all that exciting or fun.
@Anonymous, First of all, I realize that people who Torrent stuff, as you say live paycheck to paycheck but the majority of people I know have money and still illegally download. It’s laziness and people wanting to take money from not just the actors but the people who legitimately worked on that feature. The studios are less likely to make more movies because people aren’t spending money at the theaters. Same goes for TV. It’s ratings and receipts. If they go down, than the industry will too. I love cinema and television so if I have to pay then I certainly will.
this has less to do with affluence than it does convenience. people download because it is more convenient than schlepping down to the crowded cinema on their day off, just to pay a premium to see a film in a dirty, overcrowded (and often interrupted) screening room. me, I personally feel this adds to the experience, but if a film was released day-and-date across all platforms I would definitely pay the premium for the convenience of my couch.
i love how everyone talks as though they never used Napster when it first launched, but suddenly downloading movies is too close to home. entertainment industry is suffering more because of corporate consolidation and creative dead zones than it is over the loss of revenue from downloaders, who would likely never pay to see the film in the cinema to begin with.
giving oversight of internet regulation to the government (via ISPs) is not the best sacrifice to make when combatting piracy.
People are just switching their broadband service to Time Warner Cable where this problem goes away for good. They flat out refuse to offer any information to anyone about their users.
Verizon and Comcast have about 50 users between them. Small victory indeed CCI.
Yesterday is was Creative America and today we have the Center for Copyright Information and tomorrow…there will be another lobby group dealing with proprietary rights, duplication content,, and other issues.
WTF is the MPAA doing? Why is Chris Dodd getting TWO MILLION a year for all his congressional contacts?
Not only has Hollywood/Entertainment industry lost control in the digital world they created…they are now creating a plethora of entities to deal with these issues.
In case they don’t understand the “divide and conquer” strategy…this is what you are supposed to do to the enemy…not to yourselves.
Hollywood corporations (because they are not studios anymore) are:
1. Charging $15 for a film, most of which are shit. $3 premium for crap 3-D.
2. They manipulate the release schedule so that only one movie a week opens, limiting choice.
3. Then they rush the fill to DVD to screw theater owners and stifle word of mouth and films with legs because they make more money.
4. They force writers and directors to transfer their copyrights to them. if you don’t no studio will buy your film.
5. They buy copyright laws from congress then seek to enforce them through intimidation.
Technology plus shitty content equals file sharing and no law or threat will stop it. Make better films and people will want to buy them.
The music industry killed itself by stifling talent and making stars out of pretty, no-talent singers who could not perform live and bolster sales and create fan loyalty.
Hollywood is doing the same.
Taylor Lautner?
Seriously?
See you on Pirate Bay.
nice.
Many people no longer want to pay $100 a month for cable and are now connecting their PC to their TV’s. I bet people would be willing to subscribe to a particular channel directly and watch their favorite shows than download illegally. It would be cheaper than cable and networks like HBO would probably generate a greater profit (no cable provider/middleman). Everybody would win.
@ Mike. You are so right. I don’t want to spend 100 extra bucks for crap channels. I’d gladly pay for HBO for streaming rights. It’s too bad HBO GO makes you get full cable service now. We stream everything in our house now, no landlines. Full service cable isn’t worth it to us anymore. We netflix/hulu everything now.
Anonymous, who posted at Thursday at 12:06, I did not know it was greedy to get what you can in a Capitalistic economy? If you could earn $1.5 million for a movie would you say no and take less?
I’m sure this will work the same the way the lawsuits worked.
I am curious where that $16b figure is coming from. I know they aren’t just assuming “Well if they paid $20 to see it instead of seeing it for free we’d be at $16b!” as they’d simply be retarded.
Wrong choice of word in these overly PC times, they’d simply be out of their minds would be more apt.
You dumb dicks. Piracy doesn’t just hurt big Studios. What about the independent filmmaker who cant pay back his investors when the labor of love he spent four years creating (probably for no compensation), gets duped and pirated before it even hits store shelves (if ever). And then the dvd’s don’t sell, and get pulled from the retailers, and that filmmaker will never work again.
I hope you all fucking die you ass sucking worthless creativity siphoning dickholes. I’m embarrassed we are both part of the same species.
Easy there Kurt, remember your blood pressure.
$16 billion in lost revenue? Are you kidding me? Why hasn’t anyone bothered to check the math on that one? They might as well say that they are losing $16 bajillion, katrillion dollars. An illegal download does not equal a lost sale since pirates don’t pay for product, and even if each illegal download did represent a lost sale, the $16 billion figure is absurdly inflated. Instead of worrying about pirating, the studios and producers should worry about how much money they spend to produce crappy movies and TV shows that most people don’t want to see. Either make a better product, or charge less for the crap that is being made, or both. That’s the only way the MPAA and Co. will be able to reduce piracy. The RIAA learned that the hard way.
I couldn’t help to laugh at your comment because I agree completely. I love how people throw out arbitrary numbers based on random selective data that has no merit.
The ability to make up arbitrary numbers for one’s own advantage simply because they have the power to do so is like the city government’s charging excess amounts for traffic violations. I got a ticket from one of those red light cameras and got fined $475!!! I thought to myself, where does this number come from? Why not just charge me $100,000? Greedy sumbiatches.
is this only for the united states?
Copyright is not as cut an dry as the industry tries to make it. Fair Use is fairly broad when it comes to creating content that includes the works of others. And there is the argument (included in Copyright laws) that allows for limited use if the piece has no financial viability.
What they really need to do is set up a single site where people can license material for use.
At the same time the world-wide industry needs to start opening up to everyone. Here in the US, to access programming from other countries you don’t have much of a choice but to download it illegally. Sites like the BBC block us from watching their content. And the shows we can watch on BBC America has been heavily edited.
There needs to be a significant effort put forward when it comes to defining how the industry(ies) are going to enforce copyright. Music is fairly simple but video is a complicated mess.
For me it’s pretty simple:
Realize that the internet has changed the way societies and the world works.
1) Let people license material
2) Create a comprehensive list of materials that are in the Public Domain so that web users, companies, and providers know what can be legally used.
3) Create a list of materials that absolutely can not be used (per demands of artists and companies).
4) Have all of this available on a single site for easy access.
5) Allow all accredited schools to use materials for educational purposes.
6) Allow access to all websites around the world in an effort to support free speech and promote a much needed international growth of video/television materials.
7) Create sites where older material that has no financial viability is available for viewing and allow ads from all over the world.
Here in Germany even the most popular shows get aired at least half a year later + they often have a terrible German dubbing (at least if you know better). Also if you want to see quality cable shows many of them won’t come to Germany or will only be on some expensive cable channels and only few of these are also in English. Also dvd releases of shows are not that many and you will have to import from the UK. And there is no such thing as Hulu, Netflix or iTunes and Amazon on demand services. Ok there are some wannabees but they also have dubbing only.
If you are a film fan a lot of smaller and hard to translate Films get tested on American audiences first and the releases will be late + only few cinemas show english language with only the bigger films.
I am sure a lot of you would feel differently if you had a media like that.
I must say that this topic is like a double edged sword; on one side yes people are losing out on more money. On the other side this plan of attack is being driven by nothing but greed. You actors, musicians, creative producers, and everyone else should be happy with what you get; you all make hella bank more than the majority of this world. So stfu go buy another exotic car and sulk in your million dollar estates and leave us be.
Once again, the suits are making up “loss” numbers. They say they’re losing 16 Billion? From who? Oh, you mean the people who downloaded a movie they couldn’t afford to go see in the first place? If I’m downloading a movie illegally, it means I couldn’t afford to pay between $12 and $15 dollars to see it, so you wouldn’t have had my money in the first place. You can’t assume all those people would’ve bought a ticket. Piracy exists because people are poor, yet still want entertainments.
Studios, don’t play this assumption game just to get the courts to be on your side. If I could afford your high ticket prices, I would go. But I can’t. Maybe you should think about that and make some adjustments. Then you can get your BO back up and you’ll be able to afford those Home in Bel-Aire payments again, while I flounder in my Studio in los Feliz.
Microsoft used to whine about the billions lost in Windows OS piracy, then Gates turned around and said, yeah, if it wasn’t for Windows Piracy, we wouldn’t be so huge.
So go figure.
Yes, after he istalled it on every PC sold and created a monopoly, stifled competition, etc. He has the luxury of not caring if his inferior product was pirated. Most people were forced to pay for it.
This is about equity, not intellectual property or justice. If the content producers are so concerned about protecting copyrights, they wouldn’t demand to own the copyrights of the creators whose work they license or whose labor they employ.
Only write on spec and you own the copyright and name your price. Self-publish it as a book first, or a stage play, and try to hold onto as many rights as possible. You are the original copyright holder if you create an original work on your own, as you know…. Be a writer/producer. Produce your own movie. Enforcement of copyright laws can only help you.
Once you are hired, yes, it is a “work for hire” but that is the same in all industries, it happens with patents, science, all across the board. If whoever is producing the movie, the investors, think they can recoup and profit because they can protect their interest in the copyright then you should fight for your share. Enforcing copyright helps everyone.
Big Brother is alive and well. No biggie for me, as there hasn’t been anything out of Hollywood, the music industry or other media producers that I would want to download (steal). The product is crap and has been for some time. Suggest that the downloaders smarten up, stop downloading, stop going to movies, buying music, etc.. Let’s see how long the majors stay in business as their monetary stream whithers and dies on the vine.
This will just make it where people are more careful with how they download pirated content; ie: movies, music and software. It’s just as simple as using a VPN to download the content then return to your unlimited bandwidth. This doesn’t bother me one bit. Enough spending millions on something that will on slow down the amount of people pirating, and the other users who are skilled at being somewhat anonymous will still get what they want.