UPDATE: 12:00 PM: Rival Blockbuster has just pounced on Netflix’s public relations problem, announcing that it is launching a nationwide promotion in which existing Netflix customers who switch to one of Blockbuster’s two Total Access plans (1 disc at a time for $9.99 a month or 2 discs at a time for $14.99 a month) will receive a 30-day free trial. The company, which recently was purchased at a bankruptcy auction by Dish Network, said that besides a lower price it offers benefits Netflix doesn’t: availability of many new releases 28 days before Netflix, unlimited in-store exchanges, video game rentals and no extra charge for Blu-ray movies. “Blockbuster quickly responded to the cries of Netflix customers,” Blockbuster president Michael Kelly said in the release announcing the promotion. “Blockbuster Total Access is Netflix ‘without the wait.’ The combination of DVDs by mail and unlimited in-store exchanges provides more than 100 million people living near Blockbuster stores immediate convenience and unparalleled choice.” The offer is good through Sept. 15; Netflix customers can go to Blockbuster’s website to enroll or show a red Netflix envelope at a Blockbuster store.
PREVIOUS, 10:11 AM: It’s shocking to see how badly Netflix appears to have underestimated the general confusion and anger that has followed the announcement on Tuesday that it’s raising by 60% the price of its combo DVD-by-mail rental and video-streaming service. More than 5,000 mostly furious customers responded to the Netflix blog post unveiling what BTIG analyst Richard Greenfield calls “perhaps the boldest single move in (Netflix) history.” And Netflix shares are down about 3.6% in midday trading as Wall Street wonders whether the company raised prices enough to cover revenue it will lose from people who cancel the service. Lazard Capital Markets’ Barton Crockett says that “few will pay the jarringly higher price” for the streaming and DVD combo plan and “most will move to (Netflix’s) cheaper streaming-only” service. Netflix could lose some of its most profitable customers — the ones who pay the monthly fee for DVD rentals but don’t bother to order many discs. Merriman Capital’s Eric Wold says he “would not be surprised” if many of those subscribers bailed on Netflix to rent DVDs from Redbox’s $1-a-night kiosks. But Goldman Sachs’ Ingrid Chung says Netflix will probably come out ahead: The company makes a much higher profit from streaming than it does from DVD rental, and “a very high number of subs would have to churn off to offset the pricing increase.”
Whatever the case, the Street wants to hear Netflix answer tough questions about its strategy on July 25 when executives discuss quarterly earnings. It would be a big change if Netflix’s price hike signals that it’s giving up its effort to amass as many subscribers as possible — including many cable customers who might cut the cord in favor of a cheaper video service. Netflix’s subscriber base grew 63%, to 22.8 million, in the year that ended in March.


Let the bit torrenting begin!
You mean let the stealing begin, to bad they can catch everyone using torrents and throw them in jail for ohh say 5 years minimum. People that use torrents to steal movies are no better than the common shoplifter at Wal Mart
But then again young people (under 30) have no morals when it comes to the internet, to them everything should be free on the net.
And just how old are YOU?
I’m going go ahead and feed the troll:
Actually, people that use torrents are MUCH better – they tend to have much higher intelligence and much higher income than your average Walmart shoplifter who probably can’t even spell torrent (or computer for that matter).
And I would disagree young people have no morals – they do have morals – their moral framework is just different than yours, and your little pinhead doesn’t (or won’t) have the capability to understand it.
Nothing like a little moral-relativism, right thief?
I broke into your house and took all your property (read intellectual property, in case you don’t get the analogy). But I didn’t ‘steal’ it, heavens no. My ‘moral framework’ wouldn’t allow that. I just…um…’torrented’ it. Yeah, that’s it.
@LSB Yeah let’s add to our already bursting prison system (biggest in the world) bit torrent users with five year sentences…get a brain, pal–you’re giving +30 year olds a bad rep
I will be dropping the dvd service in favor of Redbox. And am thinking about dropping streaming in favor of Huluplus.
Don’t forget about the accounting problems that now come to light with the price hike as per Janney’s note two weeks ago. This is a company that lost money on a cash basis last year but masked it with accounting treatments.
This is the worst move ever. If they had waited until their streaming service had more content and a better interface, I could understand, but right now the streaming service is hard to navigate and doesn’t have much content compared to the DVD service. Will probably cancel Netflix and go with Hulu Plus in protest.
This is balls on accurate. The interface is a disaster. And the selection for streaming is a joke. It almost seems to me that the DVD option is where the true value is.
NETFLIX’S INTERFACE IS SH*T NOW. The current interface is designed to give the user a small selection per screen so the user will be spending more time seeing less choices – this is so they can force you into selecting all the crappy movies first. There was a time when the interface was showing about 12 movies per screen, and the user had a greater selection at one glance. They also did not have to “scroll” slowly through all the crappy movies that Netflix put there just to fill up space before you see a good one. Netflix thinks they are secure in that they still have 22 million users who are, “satisfied”, and they can just tell the 5000 or so disgruntled users to leave if they don’t like it is going to blow up in their UGLY face. Way to run a business – raise the price 60% and make the service worse. I hope Netflix fires the idiot, CEO who approved this plan. I hope their stock drops through the floor, and another company gives them competition, because they think they are so “Monopoly” to do stuff like this.
There are a lot of people who will get mad and cancel their service or switch to streaming only, but out of those 22.8 million there will be a hell of a lot of people who will never know this change happened and won’t notice the price hike on their credit card bill. That’s where Netflix will make their money.
Not only will NetFlix make a ton off those who aren’t paying attention, but, whoever leaves will be made up in ‘postage’!!!
I don’t how good the postage deal, that’s gotta one nasty number to crunch every month!!!
I wonder if there’s an opportunity here for Amazon to increase their market share of the streaming world. Their “free with Prime” collection is small, but growing. They also continue to have some series that have been pulled from Netflix due to the termination/expiration of streaming agreements (e.g. Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip. p.s. I know, I know.)
Netflix attracted me with a fairly priced and/or more convenient alternative to retail DVD rentals and Pay TV. The addition of streaming made it an even more attractive service.
I only occasionally use the DVD-by-mail service (once or twice a month) and rarely use the streaming service (due to the frequently lost streaming). So at the $8.99 per month pricing structure I was relatively happy, and I was an ideal Netflix customer.
However with the new higher priced structure I will cancel my subscription and find my content elsewhere.
In this economy I believe I will not be alone.
Bye Bye Netflix.
I’m still surprised by the brouhaha. People had a really good deal for a long time. I can’t believe they expected it to last forever. I would think this forces some people away from DVDs which will only cut Netflix’s costs. Maybe it will be bad for them now that people have turned into an angry mob, but this was going to happen eventually. Watching DVDs is on it’s way out. In no time it will all be streaming. I doubt if we’ll even need TV networks soon.
But they were gloating about the stock price jump yesterday….
When Blockbuster went out of business I thought it was so stupid the way people were happy and cheering it. People had this idea that Netflix was the “good guy” and cared about their customers. They were the good when they were trying to squash their competitor. Once that competitor is dead they’re not going to be the good guy anymore.
Blockbuster did not go out of business. I recommend checking out their online service. I love it.
Is it me, or am I surprised that people are in an uproar? Content costs money. Netflix’s sweetheart deals from 3 years ago have gone up 30 fold in some cases. Streaming that much content does cost money. With 50 million subscribers, I’m sure Netflix did predict that you’d have a large vocal minority, but where are they going to go? No where.
As for selection, Netflix is part of the long tail of content distribution and as such pays less than HBO, etc. would pay for running it sooner — it’s why they can give stuff so cheap. Want HD streaming? sure, but don’t expect it for free. Want more movies on streaming? Sure, but don’t expect it for free.
Quit whining people. For the price of a movie ticket and a bucket of popcorn you still have a pretty great deal.
it’s more than just whining – customers might have accepted a gentle price hike with a carefully worded explanation, but we feel like Netflix came out with a great service and is now taking advantage of the loyalty they think they have earned from their customers. When Blockbuster started, the mom and pop video stores within a certain radius of each Blockbuster store were destroyed and went under. They could not compete. Then, Netflix and other options came along and that did Blockbuster in. Same thing could happen here with Netflix and because of the way netflix has offended its customers – because of the ‘quit whining people’ attitude – customers are pissed. There are many options for how to get content and Netflix is going to lose much of the goodwill they have built these past years. Hulu, torrent, pay per view, on demand… many options now look much better to me and others. Options that were not considered before as a possible permanent change. You and the folks at netflix have to move away from the ‘quit whining people’ attitude – you’re not doing Americans a favor anymore. We’re not so thankful for your existence today as we were a month ago. instead of grateful for the service netflix provides we are now grateful for other options and annoyed that we now have to reduce or cancel our service and move on. As for me, I’ll move on to another service or just stick with the HBO/Showtime/Encore/Starz types of packages.
The vocal minority may feel bruised that they weren’t sent a special note thanking them for having a ridiculously good deal and explaining why costs are going up and why their monthly subscription is going up.
Your argument is akin to yelling at the Dairy assocation when f#$king milk increases in price – where’s the warning on that? Same with your cable/sat/internet bill – when they raise monthly fees, is there hue and cry in the streets? No. A small percentage object vocally, but the majority take their lumps and move on.
Given the number of subscribers and probability, Netflix knew pretty well how many people their price hike would annoy to the point of cancellation; I’d imagine 80-85% of their subscribers will continue with them with either streaming or DVD, and a smaller percentage will continue with both. Either way, Netflix wins and has more revenue to cover increasingly ballooning costs.
You may find it shitty, but there’s something to be said about ripping the bandaid off all at once vs. wincing and doing it over time.
As for the stock being down, only idiots look at the 1day trading levels – look at even the one month level and you’ll see this is a drop in the bucket. Traders will appreciate that Netflix is taking steps to shore up revenue to pay for content, and while individual investors panic, large institutional customers will reap.
As for rivals taking advantage? Good luck. show me another legal online site (torrents don’t count) that has similar or better pricing for online and/or DVD titles.
Hulu? what a joke, like ads?, plus smaller selection.
Amazon? compare the selection and price
Torrent – stealing plain and simple
Vudu (Walmart owned) small selection big price per movie, some you have to buy
I tunes, $1 per episode for TV more for movies
RedBox at a $1 per movie plus the cost of gas going to and from the place to rent, not really a sharp move, where I live it takes 3 miles to reach the nearest Redbox, then you are standing in line waiting for some dumbass kids waiting to pick out there selection with their mother saying “hurry up kids”
People complaining need use common sense
Netflix is still the best value, easiest to use, much like an I pad ….very clean.
And no I don’t work for Netflix, but joined when the first started and have seen price increases before.
Netflix does offer HD streaming…for the same price.
Is Eric Cantor a member of the Board of Directors? Maybe he’s short on a few Netflix shares.
But I thought the goal is to get out of the DVD biz entirely? Seems like a short-term sh*tstorm will be worth it in the long term.
People just have too many easy ways to kvetch in public these days, that’s all.
I’m more worried about big hikes in bandwidth cost or restrictions in bandwidth use. Which are surely being devised as we kvetch.
we’re pissed and are debating dropping Netflix completely now or at the end of summer. Either way, f them. we’ll get our movies and tv any other way before having prices jacked up this way in this economy. Historically, I hope Netflix looks back on this as the turning point in their history – the time when they pissed off their customers so much that their rivals were able to take advantage and gain ground on them that they never got back.
- writer boy
This is such an over reaction by people. Let’s be real here, even if I still used Netflix for DVDs $15.99 is a bargain. If people are this hacked off about it, then cancel the DVD portion and go to Redbox. It’s not like they can get served somewhere else. Besides, Netflix was crap for new releases because most of the major studios withheld new films on the day of release. Netflix just needs to hunker down and let the whiners get over it. Personally, I won’t be leaving Netflix over something like this.
You sound like a netflix employee to me! Lets see your power company hike its rates by 60% then see if you post the same thing. It’s not the price but the moral of the story!
Yeah, because it’s worth bitching about an extra $6 per month. Especially when every other alternative offers either a drop in selection (Hulu, Redbox) or higher cost (on-demand, HBO, theatres, etc.)
I would bet that the majority of people whining will either never cancel their subscriptions as promised, or be back in a month once they realize what little alternative they have.
No offense, but you can’t exact compare a power company to Netflix; one you need, one you don’t. Choose it or leave it.
churn baby churn
someone should study the history of pay tv
“Netflix could lose some of its most profitable customers — the ones who pay the monthly fee for DVD rentals but don’t bother to order many discs.” That would be me. It’s not that I don’t “bother”… just that I don’t need two out at a time. Last price increase, I switched from 3 discs to 2. I’ll go down to 1 disc at home now.This is most economical. The cost will be about the same as I pay now. Oh yes, I’ll cut the Blu-Ray fee too, another modest saving.
About half of the films in my queue are unavailable for streaming, and about half are unavailable elsewhere for rental. So…it’s the proverbial …. between a rock and hard place… I love indie, foreign, art films. I had not been able to stream from my Mac until recently…
The bottom line, Netflix’s 60% increase is too much and I don’t think people are going to stand for it. My monthly tech service bills are high as is and some things are luxuries. It’s not like my income is going up 60%.
The change will stabilize their client base and allow them to use reliable numbers for financial projections, bargaining, etc.
CALLING ALL NETFLIX SUBSCRIBERS:
Here’s an idea:
Why not change your plan to “streaming only”; then, when you want a movie that is not available via streaming, change your plan to 1 DVD only. You’ll still be paying the same $7.99/mo. rate, you’ll get your DVD shipped immediately, then you can change your plan back to streaming only. The DVD will be on its way to you, and you’ll still keep streaming!
If everyone changes their service constantly, back and forth as stated above, imagine the strain on the NF accounting system and the chaos that could ensue, not to mention the powerful message sent to NF from its frustrated customers.
Oh no, the straiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin on the accounting system. I can feel it creaking all the way up here 50 miles from their HQ. It’s a computer, it’s not going to care.
Ooooh! I am liking this FU Netflix strategy very much. I canceled my membership in protest and have subscribed to others: hulu, amazon blockbuster (free trial for a month!) obviously by my subscribing with other svcs, it’s not the money that irks me about netflix’s new pricing plan. it was the implementation manner, the lack of warning and the BS PR spin of “we’re doing something really good for you, now bend over and hold still…this will feel real good after the initial 15 minutes of unbearable pain.” If they had just come out and said that the mailing of DVDs cost was an oversight and a mistake and that they want out of it, therefore are changing pricing, then I might have swallowed the majority of the BS. But the way they have gone about it, and tried to bury the turd so people won’t notice is rubbish. I am going to share the “FU Netflix strategy” with as many people as possible. FB, twitter, you name it. They will of course implement a “charge to change plans” but until then how many thousands of us can eff with them right back and cost them bux?! Who’s on board???
This is stupid. I don’t use my Netflix enough to justify the 60% increase in price. Like Writer Boy said, they are taking advantage of their customers’ loyalty. If their “instant play” collection of movies was extensive, I might just consider switching to that plan, but quite frankly, it’s really lacking. About 90% of my queue is NOT available for instant play. I’m switching to RedBox or Hulu. If we don’t take a stance and try and make a statement Netflix is just going to keep increasing the prices by ridiculous amounts. This isn’t fair, especially not in this economy.
Could not have said it better. I hate to see netflix shoot itself in the foot like this.
I’m a three disc/streaming customer who will most likely go to the one disc/streaming plan in September. While I agree with some that the pricing increase isn’t the end of the world, the issue I have here is more in the way that netflix increased these plans in an abrupt, jarring, arrogant fashion. It’s sort of like going to your weekly lunch spot, where you’ve been getting the lunch special for $6.50 for a number of years, and then one day, without warning or subtle increase, the lunch special listed on the menu is suddenly $9.50. The effect more so than the affordability issue is lack of disregard for the loyal customer; a more incremental increase over a few years, as well as introducing other subscription options, all with better customer hand holding, should have been the play here…
Dumping DVD’s and keeping Streaming.. that’s exactly what I’m doing. The convenience of DVD home delivery (on average only 4 disks/month) does not out weigh the newer releases available at either the Red Box or Blockbuster kiosks at the grocery stores up the street.. So, instead of getting $16/mth from me, Netflix will get only $8 ($2 less than they get from me now) and Red Box gets the $2-$4 a month they haven’t been getting since I joined Netflix.. and I keep $4 bucks a month .. maybe that goes to renting an HD movie on Apple TV, maybe it doesn’t.. Either way, Netflix doesn’t get it.
I suppose they crunched the numbers on this, figuring what they lose is more than made up by what they save.. (That’s what InBev did with Anheuser Busch.. slashed expenses & marketing budgets and turned it into a quick cash generator that out weighed the loss in market share.. )
I really thought Blockbuster was done with… Netflix just gave them a window to stay open, just from people angered over this switching to them. I’m amazed.
I was a Blockbuster Total Access customer until they closed every Blockbuster in West LA. Despite my bitching and moaning Netflix is still a fraction of the cost of cable television and movie channels. Everyone please shut up and pay the man. They own the space and Hulu, Youtube, Blockbuster and iTunes are so far behind they can’t offer the same quantity of content that Netflix has now.
What have you done, Netflix? Two days ago, I was telling my friends how admirable organization you are and that they should get subscriptions. I was also thinking about buying some shares of you.
No more.
You definitely underestimated the ramifications of your 60% price increase. You did not bother mailing an advance notice to your customers; all you did is send an e-mail overnight. With this significant amount of increase, you could have done a better job of informing your customers. You got greedy and messed up big time.
Welcome to to the list of Most-Hated Company.
What do you mean by “send an email overnight”? As opposed to during the day? They sent an email with plenty of notice — it’s not like they’ve flipped the switch yet. Whenever they announced it the news would be “sudden” but the enactment isn’t. They changed one subset of pricing plans and none of the others. Actually all they did was stop discounting the bundling of two services and left all the individual priced services alone. A bummer, but hardly evil. Especially when there is still no comparable deal anywhere else.