Ray Richmond is contributing to Deadline’s TCA coverage.
On a lively and colorful afternoon TCA panel promoting the fall PBS four-hour series America in Primetime, Everybody Loves Raymond creator Phil Rosenthal blasted TNT for its recent decision to cancel Raymond star Ray Romano’s latest series, dramedy Men of a Certain Age. “Those idiots put six episodes on in November and then waited until July to schedule the next six as if they were trying to make sure the audience didn’t connect to it,” Rosenthal said. “Then they cancel it because the audience doesn’t connect to it. That’s why I say the only thing I hate about this business is the business part.”
Rosenthal’s zingers often punctuated the discussion, in which he, Nurse Jackie co-creators Liz Brixius and Linda Wallem, Desperate Housewives star Felicity Huffman and America in Primetime exec producer Tom Yellin delved into what makes primetime tick. The idea behind the PBS series is to promote the idea that all primetime scripted entertainment is built on the foundation of all shows that have come before it. In the series, Yellin notes that Murphy Brown creator Diane English originally received a note from CBS that the title character shouldn’t be a recovering alcoholic in her 40s but a 30-year-old woman coming out of a spa. “I got the same note on Raymond,” Rosenthal quipped, “that he be a 30-year-old woman coming out of a spa.”
More seriously, Wallem made the point that “the trick of selling a show these days is not just selling an idea; you are talking to a roomful of fear. And they bring issues about family, women, men, substances, everything. You’re always having to deal with that fear.” She later added, “What’s exciting now is seeing someone like Bob Greenblatt (who bought dark comedy Nurse Jackie at Showtime) getting hired to head NBC to shake things up a bit. I’m excited to see him bring that dangerous, fearless vibe of what he did at Showtime to a broadcast network.”
Asked about the glut of reality shows in primetime, Rosenthal replied, “It could signal something larger than just a trend, and that is the end of civilization.”


I got news for you, Bill H: it’s not taught in a classroom. I’ve been writing professionally for 20 years, since I was 22. And I’ve worked with plenty of Ivy League writers, as well as plenty who went to state schools — or didn’t go to college at all. Everyone brings something different to the table. That there are a lot of Ivy leaguers doing it doesn’t mean it’s exclusively their domain. That it’s a hell of a good time and can make you a very nice living is its main attraction to smart, creative people — the types who tend to end up going to Ivy League schools.
The show is great….funny profound, great depictions of family, friendship, with heroes that don’t have fangs, breast implants, or wear gladiator costumes. It was not a match for TNT, home of the models-solving-the-murders-of-other-models brand of television.
I loved, loved, loved MEN OF A CERTAIN AGE. Truly shocked and saddened by the cancellation. (btw, I’m female)
Rosenthal is spot on. ABC did the exact same thing with ‘V’, and then played ‘sorry’ for having to cancel it due to ratings that were ‘not on par’. Yeah, right.
Why shocked? I loved the show too, but the ratings were beyond terrible.
It’s certainly disappointing but television is a business, after all. I’m sure TNT took no delight in canceling their only show that got any critical buzz.
Please help save “Men”: http://www.change.org/petitions/new-network-pick-up-the-television-program-men-of-a-certain-age
They ran a few eps on normal TV recently (ION, I think) so I got to check it out. I found it slow and depressing, and I’m a man of a certain age myself. And this coming from a Braugher fan. Love that Rosenthal is loyal to his friend Ray, but good shows get cancelled everyday. No big loss here IMO.
I got an instruction from PBS, no less, to write a documentary narration with the vocabulary of “an 11 year old.” The producer told me to ignore. The series got cancelled. A new network won a Peabody for the next two-hour part. And yes, I’m bitter nonetheless. Americans own the airwaves; they allow the networks to use them. At the very least they could recognize that an untapped market like the intelligent and experience people who are now not just tuning into Men of a Certain Age but pro-actively demanding that it be found a new home are a demographic unto themselves.
I love the passion people have to keep something alive. It seems like people are indifferent until someone tries to take it away.
If they want to see it survive someplace else, the enthusiasts should take up a collection and produce the show on their own.
It could be like an old Andy Hardy episode… We have a barn… A couple of talented actors… Let’s put on a show!
If you don’t like the show and prefer action drama or fake “reality tv” thats fine.
If you never saw the show and are forming an opinion you look like a tool.
This dramedy was an asset to TNT and award winning, and since TNT dropped the ball I am praying that another network picks it up and runs with it.
If you enjoyed the show Men of a Certain Age… let it be known
http://www.facebook.com/SaveMe?nOfACertainAge
http://www.change.org/petition?s/new-network-pick-up-the-tele?vision-program-men-of-a-certai?n-age
whatever….Everybody Loves Raymond was nice safe domestic comedy for the mouthbreathers who wouldn’t know real comedy if it bit them in the face
After over two decades working for TBS let me say,please refer to paragraph one. Really. “idiots”. They have NO idea what they are doing.
I hate this spilt season thing that the cable networks do. Its beyond annoying! Why is The Closer Final season stretched out to a year and half? I did watch Men with A Certain Age the first season, tried to do it in the 2nd half season and couldn’t remember what the heck was going on.
And other note while the show was good it was great. I loved Scott and Andrew and the supporting players but Ray Romano’s character was boring. I didn’t blame his wife for leaving him (although didnt she get hers in the end?!)
And I do agree with the guy about quality but hey its about the ad dollars. Putting on a television show aint’ cheap, and if the ad buyers rather have a commercial on Rizzoli and Isles (which I think is awful) but people watch it over Men with a Certain Age…what’s a network to do? I mean I loved Dark Blue and watched both seasons (but apparently not everyone else did). At least its better than reality shows.
I tried watching Men of a certain age and Phil needs to stick to comedy. Not sure what Men was about but I didn’t laugh or feel much about the show.
Did you not read the full article? For the tenth time, IT ISN’T HIS SHOW. He was supporting the show because he’s a fan of Ray’s and the writing. Nothing is worse than uninformed posters who jump right to the hater commentary and don’t know what they’re talking about. UGH.
Agreed that TNT are a bunch of bozos.
Do not agree with the cliche that non-scripted television is more culturally vapid than scripted.
Scripted show runners tend to have oversized egos and an imbalanced sense of importance.
Ask TNT and the Men of a Certain Age folks why the season was broken up in two parts and you will not get same answer. Not so sure that was a TNT move as much as it was accommodating Romano’s golf schedule.
We now have 6206 “likes” our goal is 10,000 page “likes” & 10,000 signatures on the petition by 11:59pm on Sunday, July 31, 2011.
http://www.facebook.com/SaveMenOfACertainAge
http://www.change.org/petitions/new-network-pick-up-the-television-program-men-of-a-certain-age
That’s a goal that I know we can reach. We CAN do it! Post a link to this page on your Facebook walls, tell all your friends, contact media via FB, twitter, etc…. we’re rolling! GO! Don’t forget to sign the petition!
Thank you for your support and God Bless.
Sincerely,
Wendell
Hot In Cleveland is nothing but a slew of dick jokes, all coming
infrom the mouth of Betty White. Pathetic.and what then Wendell?? some intern or PA takes a look at that petition…has a good laugh around the office and then sends it to the recycle bin
because that’s what happens when the common folk get all slacktivist and start mailing things in and signing petitions…it ends up having to be dealt with by interns and PAs and no one that really means anything sees your desperate scribblings
Ironic though, when you consider that networks are touting the use of social media to such an extent that CBS is including suggested Twitter hashtags on its TCA schedule. Sorry to say #boringdrek is not among them.
Who’s the number one network, elitist snob who hates ordinary people who work for a living?
yes Diana…the executive…Michael Wright…has a big chip on his shoulder!. As an actor,he still can’t get over he lost a role on “ALL MY CHILDREN?…Then after a failed acting career,he ended up at CBS,where Les Moonves fired him!…and he’s still trying to get back at him for that!He’s simply a jerk! Ever hear the “cake’ story where when a producer’s calls were not returned (he’s infamous for this) she sent him a cake with her phone number on it? …he dropped her project immediately and put her on his “black list”…the cake went into the waste basket. Most talented people would have enjoyed that creativity… Such a bundle of insecurity who knows deep down he can’t cut it… TNT’s success is in spite of him.
Help us save this show! 6300 strong are rallying to bring it to another network. Search for Save Men of a Certain Age on Facebook. Join the crusade!
Heres what we should do-for the campaign to save this show, send in a man into TNT, and keep sending men until thety bring it back!
Greenblatt has the opportunity to be bold and take chances.
Come on, Bob! We’re waiting on you! Don’t be just like every other executive who preceded you!
Until you put a good mix of really creative people on the business side…you’re going to have this problem. Until the costs of shows come down — and not from axing union people, but really from spreading the money around and away from the execs and producers fees…you will still have these huge costs.
Anyone, ever working in the tv and film industry for at least a couple of years…eventually knows how the greed is an purposely made epidemic.
Reality tv sucks because the audience that demands it is just as idiotic.
Producers produce it and put it on a pedestal until it quits making money.
No matter how cheap it is to do.
And the anti union morons in Hollywood love it even more.
This is the same old horse and bull story.
Put your own money into your own show Phil…and take it to another cable.
Hell with the system.
Blame the network execs, blame the audiences… blame everyone else except for the actual creators/writers of the bad show that failed. I suppose… if that’s what makes you feel better.
TV isn’t about making a show – it is about selling a show. The successes happen when the writing overcomes the concept.
You say “hey this show will appeal to X demo and provide a great lead-in to Y.”
Too often the marketing department weighs in with “Great show…but how the hell are we going to sell it?” And the truth is, it probably is tougher to sell shows these days with the splintered media landscape. Which is why you see shows tailored to specific niche groups (geeks/fanbois, the Hills/Bachelor women and Cat people).