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For a network that has only 5 shows on the air, AMC has been in the headlines with series-related issues an awful lot during the past 8 months, first over the difficult and very public negotiations with Mad Men creator Matt Weiner and more recently over the abrupt exit of The Walking Dead showrunner Frank Darabont and the ongoing negotiations for Breaking Bad. I caught up tonight with AMC president Charlie Collier who declined to discuss the specifics surrounding the Breaking Bad talks with producer Sony Pictures TV and Darabont’s departure but addressed several other issues that have been the subject of a lot of speculation, including rumored budget cuts on Walking Dead which some have linked to Darabont’s exit and reported AMC demands for a 6-8-episode fifth season of Breaking Bad.
Deadline: Did you cut the budget on The Walking Dead in Season 2?
Collier: If you look at pilot budgets vs. pattern budgets usually the pilot budget is much higher than what ends up being the pattern budget. With The Walking Dead, instead of doing a pilot, we went straight to 6 episodes because we believed in the team and the talent in front and behind the camera. Then we came back with a 13-episode second season, and amortization over 13 episodes is very different than over 6. But we settled into one of the highest pattern budgets for a basic cable series.
Deadline: So the overall budget for Season 2 is lower than the Season 1 because of the amortization factor?
Collier: We went straight to series, with the first season serving in many ways as a pilot, and then we have settled into a 13-episode pattern budget.
Deadline: Did AMC want to truncate season 5 of Breaking Bad?
Collier: There has been a lot reported about this negotiation, but we would never comment on an open negotiation in the press. There have been all sorts of scenarios about how to bring Breaking Bad back on our air, we proposed many scenarios not just one format. The truth is that we have productive negotiations with Sony in hopes of doing right by both companies and the fans of this great show.
Deadline: Matt Weiner’s deal was very lucrative, estimated at $25 million-$30 million. How does that impact your investments in other programming?
Collier: The Mad Men deal is one that we are incredibly proud of. We had 2 goals going into the negotiations: first, to bring back Matt Weiner and secondly, to assure that the show not only starts on AMC, but that when Matt is ready, it will also conclude on our air. But to answer your question, the Mad Men negotiation had nothing to do with our other programming. Going into Mad Men we knew that right behind it would be negotiations on Breaking Bad, The Killing and others. The negotiations for Mad Men were factored into our plans. Some have reported that the Mad Men deal has affected our assessment of other programming and nothing could be further from the truth.
Deadline: AMC has been in the headlines with a lot of high profile issues as of late. Is the network having growing pains?
Collier: Negotiations, staffing issues, good and bad reviews, it’s all part of the business. Ours happen to be a little higher profile right now. We feel privileged to be telling some of the best stories on television and working with some of the most talented people in the business.
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wow. charlie collier’s answer about walking dead budget is hilarious. for any little britain fans out there, this is basically his answer, “yes, but no. but yes.”
Christ, not one straight answer.
Wait till you see Hell On Wheels. It’s amazing.
“I caught up tonight with AMC president Charlie Collier who declined to discuss the specifics surrounding the Breaking Bad talks with producer Sony Pictures TV and Darabont’s departure but addressed several other issues that have been the subject of a lot of speculation, including rumored budget cuts on Walking Dead which some have linked to Darabont’s exit and reported AMC demands for a 6-8-episode fifth season of Breaking Bad.”
You mean talked around several other issues.
Wow!
That was… evasive.
Collier’s media training is plain as day. The walking dead without darabont’s creative vision will be a show about zombies. It will lose the humanity and hope that is the core of the show. I am not as interested in shooting zombies, running and hiding from zombies, as I am in what drives the characters to hold on to or lose their hope and humanity. They should have fought to keep him.
That’s just crap… If you know the comics they are all about humanity, its decline and the relationships between the survivors. Hurd is still on the show and most importantly Kirkman, the comic’s creator is still an executive producer. It won’t change a lot.
He only has more problems coming. The pilot for Hell on Wheels was recently screened for critics and word is that it’s pretty bad. Several television critics have mentioned that the show needs a lot of work and is well below the standards viewers have come to expect from AMC.
Charlie keeps spinning the problems with The Killing being related to “managing viewer’s expectations” and seems oblivious that the larger problem with the show was the terrible writing, with the infamous finale being the series low-water mark. The series is going to plummet in the ratings and is pretty much dead at this point.
AMC needs to develop something big and exciting. Go after intellectual material like they did with Breaking Bad/Mad Men. The new execs that have populated the channel over the last couple of years don’t seem to know much about art and have shown that they don’t really know their channel’s audience. Have anyone see the various reality tv shows they have in development? Yikes!
Hell on Wheels is getting a lot of mixed reviews, I still hope it’ll turn out to be good, but I’m reserved.
But imho AMC should start getting into the reality TV business. I don’t watch reality TV and I don’t like it, but it’s cheap, makes good money and apparently that’s something AMC needs these days. And if some crappy reality shows help getting the next Breaking Bad on the air, I’m all in.
I’m not convinced Darabont was the best thing for that show. It will be interesting to see if there is a noticeable change for the better or worse after the episodes he worked on all air and we can compare them to the post-Darabont episodes. Collier’s answers aren’t terrible I guess…
So slimy. And what a load of &#%$#@#!
Now that was unsophisticated… and he’s the President of the channel?
This answers nothing. It’s like talking to an automated message service.
Jesus Christ. Jeremy Paxman got straighter answers out of Michael Howard.
Well, no matter what you think of Matt Weiner himself, he’s a very talented guy who has created a fantastic show. Veena Sud is no Matt Weiner. (In fact, Veena Sud is not even Chuck Lorre.) I would venture to guess that Charlie Collier knows that by now, and that no matter what he tells the press, AMC will be exercising a lot more supervision over S2.
Why not just ask “how much approximate did season 1 cost?” “How Much did u spend on season 2″ his answer was that he considers season 1-all six episodes as a pilot and thus cost more than usual regular versions of episodes. He’s saying season 2 is has regular non pilot episode which we spend LESS money on season 2 than we did of all season ones’s 6 episodes
Frank Darabont was given more money for 6 episodes than he was on 13 episodes. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS WHY HE QUIT. THE BUDGET WAS SMALLER THAN A 6 EPISODE SEASON. No one could keep the same quality on a zombie action show spending 40 million between 6 episodes then spending, the next season, 40 million ON 13 EPISODES. AMC IS NUTS! Quality control will be a problem on action dependant shows. This show has CGI, crazy make up effects by a top company and they look on 16mm film. HOW CAN YOU BLAME DARABONT? Jesus he was asked to make something better with less. I was mad at him before for leaving now i sympathize. I can see why the rumour of “Darabont can’t handle television” spread around. He refused the produce the show on less money per episode than season 1. It’s one thing for Mad Men or Breaking Bad those budgets can stay in control. The Walking Dead has higher production value due to CGI stunts, extras, location filming, outdoor filming etc etc. Someone please back me up on this. If your Frank Darabonf and you bust your ass to get this show off the ground and when it airs it’s a giant fucking success, the biggest in AMC history, and they give your a bigger episode order yet the budget stays the same. Again this is Darabont he doesn’t have to deal with that kind of BS, so he left as would David Chase, Aaron Sorkin, David Simon etc etc.
FYI sorry for mistakes typing this on a cellphone which is pain in the ass
Sorry Charlie but you sound pretty stupid. Another suit with no vision running a network. AMC is sitting so pretty. Leave being creative to creatives and you will have continued success.
Geez he sounds like an effing republican, he never answered the question about the budget cuts, he gave U some political sounding double talk about amortization over the program series this season vs. last. Geez did that sound like a load of crap, how about a ‘yes’ or ‘no’
When the series tanks this year from what is a “Budget Cut” the ‘he’ & the other corporate execs will blame the creative team. Really what a BS freaking answer
Sounds like a Republican? Yeah, and Democrats are known for their candor and not being evasive/answering a question by changing the subject. Get a clue, skippy.
Below you will find a letter I have written to the Chairman of AMC and copied to Deadline and TVLine. I wished to express my disappointment this issue was not address, on record, in your interview. I hope my complaints are echoed by other and maybe the media will realize this is an important issue to multiple millions worldwide. If you are not on, or want to see more, the Facebook group mentioned there is yet another at http://www.ehwhathuh.com/ and yet more with a Google search.
Chairman of the Board
AMC Networks Inc.
? Corporate Secretary
11 Penn Plaza
New York, NY 10001
July 24, 2011
Dear Mister or Madam AMC Chairperson,
I write to you today as I, and many other Deaf/Hearing Impaired [D/HI] individuals, have never received a reply to our complaints to AMC via e-mail or U.S.-mail. The few individuals that have received a, in my opinion, foolish response. My name is Scott Johnston, I live alone, and have multiple disabilities due to Neurofibromatosis Type Two. The main reason I write you is in regards to my 100% deafness and the way you edit closed captioning.
I have enjoyed many of your original series such as Rubicon, and The Killing, The Walking Dead, just to name a few. One very large exception being the censoring on the Closed Captioning. I hated the seemingly extreme nature of the censoring on the captioning and how some words with dual meanings are doubly censored. An example of that double censoring would be, “hand me a golf b—-.” I found out, by posting a comment regarding my frustration on TVGuide.com, that the sound was not censored for the hearing public. Upon searching via Google, I found others with the same complaint. There is even a Facebook group created and dedicated, to this issue, http://www.facebook.com/groups/amctvhatesdeaf.
Upon learning this discrimination I immediately stopped watching The Killing and will wait for the DVD which, if similar to The Walking Dead, will be uncensored in its Closed Captioning. I will be doing the same for the upcoming The Walking Dead second season. I will rent and not buy these as I will not, directly or indirectly, support a network that holds the D/HI in such a low regard. Basically AMC is saying to the D/HI, “D/HI people have to be protected. It’s obvious they don’t have the maturity and intelligence to see the big-person words. Please tell them to go away and leave the adults and hearing children alone.”
Which leads me to the ridiculous reasons other have been given, “Children might be watching”. By that logic, the sound would also be censored to “protect” the hearing children. I have 10-15 hearing friends & relatives that boycott Burger King and Taco Bell as national chains that do not caption their commercials. I am in the process of notifying people of this issue as well. If you multiply that possibility by multiple millions of D/HI across the country and world alone, that is a huge dent on your ratings potential.
In closing I ask this be corrected soon. I’m 40, I may not drink, smoke or do drugs, but that is my choice. I don’t care if others do or not. If a word is spoken, it needs to be transcribed. I have multiple disabilities and I despise being perceived as being somehow an inferior person. Watch Breaking Bad or some other show with the sound turned off, and I am sure you will see what I mean.
Hi,
I have never seen the show (don’t think it shows her in Australia) but I have a very good friend who lives in Florida and is deaf. He like show, but we all hate the discrimination.
If this happened here, the show would be pulled.
This is for Scott.
Pauline
who wouldn’t want to punch that face?
AMC has become so full of themselves. Definitely not the network many hoped they would become.
As an avid watcher of all AMC shows (yes, even Rubicon), I have to say that I was already a little turned off by the news I’ve been hearing about Walking Dead and the Breaking Bad negotiations, but this interview makes it even worse. I take most offense at their hardline approach to a reduced episode final season of Breaking Bad. What?!?!?! A show that’s increased in viewership and ratings every season, and is universally regarded as one of the best shows on TV, and it gives your network so much credibility among viewers that will talk about not only that show but the other quality shows you have. Then you’re going to shortchange it on it’s final season? It’s just ludicrous. I’m on the verge of just not watching Hell on Wheels at all. AMC is the new Netflix.
Yep, that is what this was, “yes but no but yes”.
Some one needs to tell this guy to bullshit better….
politicians have mastered this too. you get asked a question, and answer a completely different question.
They didn’t just master it,they perfected /i> it.
really?? someone over there MUST be doing something right, in my opinion AMC has some of the best shows on TV. Just got into Breaking Bad and I am OBSESSED. It better come back!!!
So, here’s my understanding…the problem @ AMC is that it insinuates itself into production company negotiations with their showrunners. When Sony and others develop and set-up a show with a specific showrunner @ AMC, pick-ups include having the network step in and take over all subsequent dealmaking. They are proven amateurs in making executive producer deals, and are hurting themselves and their industry reputations by reducing interest that production companies, studios and showrunners have in suffering through AMC’s ham-handed negotiating and budget process.
Oh someone WAS doing something right. They then lost their job to Charlie who was brought in promising to deliver even better series with greater ratings than they were already getting on Mad Men and Breaking Bad. I’ll give him The Walking Dead but The Prisoner, Rubicon, The Killing were developed on his watch and they were all commercial and critical disasters. Guy is clueless. Even The Walking Dead took a dive in quality after the first episode (still enjoyable but nowhere as sublime as the pilot). It seems to have caught the cultural zeitgeist at least.