SATURDAY PM/SUNDAY AM, 2ND UPDATE: Far be it from Summer 2011 to wind down with a whimper. Instead, these waning weekends are
crowded with North American releases. I’m suffering burnout especially with four major studio releases in one weekend. It’s not just me: Hollywood’s distribution departments were calling this the “crowded-nearing-the-end-of-summer-but-thank-goodness-for-Apes-and-Help-kinda-weekend”. So what can we glean overall from these box office grosses close to $150 million, +5% compared to last year’s?
That Twentieth Century Fox’s Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes stayed #1 for the second straight week because humans empathize with apes no matter if we believe in Darwin or Dr. Spock. That DreamWorks/Disney’s The Help was a close #2 despite a midweek debut because movies based on bestselling books nearly always attract loyal readers and this pic has Oscar buzz. That New Line/Warner Bros’ Final Destination 5 looks like a dying franchise even in 3D because the filmmakers stopped murdering people in interesting or original ways. That Sony’s 30 Minutes Or Less isn’t going to result in action comedies replacing raunchy comedies even if this script started its life as one of Hollywood’s Black List of celebrated unproduced screenplays.
(Instead Aziz Ansari needs to keep his day job.) That all non-Gleeks now can relax in the knowledge that Fox will never make another Glee 3D unless a few execs at 20th and 20th TV undergo lobotomies. The concert film opened in only 6th place Friday with $2.7M, then Saturday plunged -39% for just $1.6M which took the pic out of the Top 10 completely. Its $5.5M weekend from 2,040 theaters would be humiliating and downright disastrous if it hadn’t been made for such a low budget – around $9.5M to $9.7M, according to Ryan Murphy who emailed me: “That’s compared to the Bieber film which was around $14 million I believe. So the risk [was] very very low. No matter what it will be a money maker for Fox. I am proud of it.” Murphy, who produced but did not direct, was as befuddled as Fox TV and film execs why the pic didn’t do better, especially because it was given an ‘A+’ CinemaScore from audiences under age 25. “The CinemaScores were excellent. They don’t sync up with the results,” one Fox TV exec emailed me. The film studio expected the film would at least reach double-digits and crack the Top 5 for the weekend. Nope. (More Glee 3D analysis below)
Here’s the Top 10:
1. Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes (Fox) Week 2 [3,691 Theaters]
Friday $8.1M, Saturday $10.8M, Weekend $27M (-49%), Cume $104.4M
Twentieth Century Fox was hoping for a drop of 50% or less on Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes and got it. “You do remember that ‘A-’ CinemaScore don’t you?” boasted one studio exec to me. As if this movie wasn’t a prequel to a played-out franchise saved by CGI primates.
2. The Help (DreamWorks/Disney) NEW (Wed opening) [2,534 Theaters]
Friday $7.6M, Saturday $10.1M, Weekend $25.7M, Cume $35.5M
So here’s a big fat TOLDJA! to DreamWorks and Disney execs who whined to me since Wednesday that my five-day projections of $30+M were too aggressive. ”For starters ‘A+’ CinemaScores don’t come along very often and this one will matter as The Help works to help itself into a meaningful crossover film,” as one rival studio exec told me. Interestingly, this dramedy is playing like a Tyler Perry film in the Southeast with significant strength in the Midwest as well. (Not so much in the Rockies and the West. And anemic in Canada.) Now The Blind Side is a comp. Controversy within the African-American community over the racial subject matter didn’t hurt moviegoing and may have increased it because of the media coverage. The DreamWorks pic based on the bestselling book overperformed for its first 5 days with distributor Disney predicting only $25M. The question was exactly how frontloaded The Help would turn out to be and how many more loyal readers flock to theaters after Day One. Then again the book sold 3 million copies and remained on the NYT best-seller list for 103 weeks. According to comps, these so-called appointment films for women based on popular books usually perform in the $20sM. For instance Eat Pray Love did $23M for Friday-Saturday-Sunday the same August weekend last year and its first 5 days was $29M. Julie and Julia also hit $20M.
This is the 2nd film that Disney is releasing from DreamWorks 2.0 and was partly financed by Participant Media which specializes in socially relevant films and documentaries. Hollywood has been likening The Help to Driving Miss Daisy which, although platformed at the start of its release, went on to earn a staggering $100M at the domestic box office and win the Best Picture Oscar with a similar mix of racial comedy and period drama and stellar casting. The Help‘s ensemble cast already is the subject of DreamWorks-promoted early awards chatter for the performances by Jessica Chastain, Viola Davis, Allison Janney, Sissy Spacek, Octavia Spencer, Cicely Tyson, and latest “It” girl Emma Stone.
I understand the book was shopped throughout Hollywood but with the proviso that writer Kathryn Stockett’s best friend Tate Taylor had penned the screenplay and also would direct even though DreamWorks says the Mississippi native had zero credits. Yet CEO Stacey Snider and co-president of production Holly Bario decided to greenlight anyway. Producers are Chris Columbus and Mike Barnathan from 1492 Pictures.
With a lean budget of $25M, rival studios noted that The Help more than made up for that with a heavy and expensive rotation of TV ads. To jumpstart buzz, DreamWorks/Disney arranged over 300 advance screenings of The Help to create word of mouth. then the cast embarked on a personal appearance tour to San Francisco, Chicago, Boston, Dallas, Atlanta, Miami, Washington DC, Philadelphia, Jackson MS, Tampa, and Las Vegas. Marketing tactics included a HSN partnership, Starbucks digital network campaign with soundtrack tie-in, and extensive group sales initiatives targeting faith and family groups, women’s groups, and book clubs.
3. Final Destination 5 – 3D (New Line/Warner Bros) NEW [3,155 Theaters]
Friday $7.3M, Saturday $6.3M, Weekend $18.4M
Readers know I abhor horror movies, but I actually like the Final Destination franchise because it’s an endless feature film series of Law & Order-like intricate and inventive murders — just without the Law. Granted I’d lost count but this is already the 5th installment. Unfortunately it underperformed even with the higher 3D ticket prices. Now it’s probably this series’ turn to go bye-bye.
5. The Smurfs (Sony) Week 3 [3,427 Theaters]
Friday $3.8M, Saturday $5.3M, Weekend $13.5M, Cume $101.5M
Sony was so smug when its Smurfs beat DreamWorks/Universal/Imagine/Relativity’s Cowboys & Aliens recently. Now the studio is feeling the sting of getting Smurf-ed after the little blue guys beat its own new release, 30 Minutes Or Less. ”Think Sony ever thought that would be possible when they dated their summer?” one rival studio exec chuckled in an email to me.
5. 30 Minutes Or Less (Sony) NEW [2,888 Theaters]
Friday $4.8M, Saturday $4.5M, Weekend $13M
This latest Summer 2011 R-rated “comedy” focuses on a small-town pizza delivery guy wired with explosives that’s a rip-off of a real-life Erie, PA incident. Ugh. Sony acquired the worldwide rights to distribute 30 Minutes Or Less from Media Rights Capital, which produced and financed the film. But it underperformed projections for a near $20M weekend after good word of mouth never spread and its core fanbase of young men stayed away. Surprising since both Jesse Eisenberg and director Ruben Fleischer last collaborated on Zombieland. ”The chance to reunite with the two of them on this new film was important to us,” a Soney exec told me. ”Fleischer is an outstanding director who delivers fresh and irreverent action comedies. And obviously we worked most recently with Eisenberg last year on the hit film The Social Network.” On the other hand, this was Parks & Recreation star and standup standout Aziz Ansari’s first feature film starring role. Oops.
The studio ran 2-minute trailers mostly after midnight for late-night viewers in order to showcase some of the edgier content during this time period available at very cheap and efficient rates. Sony also targeted braincell-killing shows like Jersey Shore. Radio figured prominently in the marketing campaign with ’30 Minute Takeovers’ on top radio stations throughout the country offering listeners commercial free radio sponsored by the radio as well as comedic spots, promotional screenings, interviews with the stars, etc. TV was focused on Adult Swim, WWE RAW, and Starz. No matter: it didn’t work. 30 Minutes or Less started out its feature life on the prestigious Black List as a screenplay by Michael Diliberti based on story by Michael Diliberti & Matthew Sullivan. Then producers Ben Stiller and Stuart Cornfeld of Red Hour Films developed the material and brought in Fleischer to direct on the heels of his first feature film, the hit Zombieland. Production notes quote Fleischer as saying the script seemed to him like “John Landis meets the Coen Brothers”. I think that succinctly explains the problem.
6. Cowboys & Aliens (DreamWorks/Universal) Week 3 [3,310 Theaters]
Friday $2.2M, Estimated Weekend $7M, Estimated Cume $80.8M
7. Crazy, Stupid, Love (Warner Bros) Week 3 [2,635 Theaters]
Friday $2.1M, Estimated Weekend $7M, Estimated Cume $55.3M
8. Captain America (Marvel/Disney/Paramount) Week 4 [2,835 Theaters]
Friday $2M, Estimated Weekend $6.5M, Estimated Cume $156.2M
9. Harry Potter/Hallows Pt 2 (Warner Bros) Week 5 [2,414 Theaters]
Friday $1.4M, Saturday $2.7M, Weekend $6.7M, Cume $356.8M
10. The Change-Up (Universal) Week 2 [2,913 Theaters]
Friday $1.9M (-60%), Estimated Weekend $6M, Estimated Cume $25.5M
As for Glee The 3D Concert Movie, it shockingly didn’t end the weekend in the Top 10. Producer Ryan Murphy who did not direct was as befuddled as Fox TV and film execs why the pic didn’t do better, especially because it was given an ‘A+’ CinemaScore from audiences under age 25. “The CinemaScores were excellent. They don’t sync up with the results,” one Fox TV exec emailed me. Fox thought the film would reach double-digits, crack the Top 5 for the weekend, and perform like the other concert movies. But the studios wasn’t really sure what to make of the soft tracking despite fan favorite castmembers like Lea Michele, Cory Monteith, Chris Colfer, Chord Overstreet, and The Warblers in the film.
Murphy said that, by design, the movie wasn’t just a big screen version of the TV show: instead it’s about 3 young people who say that Glee helped them live better lives and overcome struggles with their personal stories cut against 20 positive message songs. When moviegoers didn’t materialize Friday, the filmmakers still thought kids would come out Saturday and Sunday. But these concert films are frontloaded and it’s all downhill from opening day. Immediately Fox Tv execs turned against Fox film execs. “I think it was a shitty campaign that did not effectively communicate what the movie was or that the people who had seen it reviewed it positively,” one suit told me. “I think the feature company took a very laid-back approach, feeling their only job was to alert the core fans and that’s not enough to fill seats.”
I say these concert films are very unpredictable: remember, the Jonas brothers concert movie didn’t do well (though not as bad as this) and they were really big at the time. But kids can watch the real Glee for free on Fox and faux Glee Project on Oxygen so why spend their milk money on a movie ticket. No one believes that 2-week-only run nonsense anymore. And maybe Glee is just over-exposed right now and not as cool as it was initially. Not even a Fox Television integration with the So You Think You Can Dance finale helped attendance.
So maybe Sue Sylvester’s email sent to the press as a publicity stunt was really prescient: “For two years, we’ve been mercilessly bombarded with the pubescent nonsense of carnival sideshow freaks calling themselves ‘The Glee Club’. And now, they’re trying to shove a 3-D concert movie down our throats. It’s time to make a stand against these pimply-faced, hormone-ridden twits by joining the ‘STOP BELIEVING’ campaign. Say ‘NO’ to their insignificant cinematic experiment. I don’t know about you, but I can’t stand looking at their little satanic faces in 2-D, much less 3D.
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Has to be said, ‘The Help’ has done incredibly well. It’s nice to see movies that make back their production budget in the first five days of showing.
Checked out the screenplay for 30 Minutes or Less:
That’s why the first thing I’m gonna do is hire a fleet of personal bodyguards. And all of them are gonna be retards.
Retards?
Yes, Jay, retards. Water heads.
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The problem with these writers today, is that they’re not capable of crafting an actual joke. Because they’re not writers, they’re just people who want to write screenplays. More power to ‘em, but I am sick and tired of scripts where the humor is just actors cursing, talking about dick jokes, etc.
I like bawdy humor as much as anyone, but the state of film comedies is about just the raunch, not actual comedy. This is terrible writing, and terrible filmmaking.
^^^^^
bump
But it made onto the vaunted Black List! Are you saying the development tools in Hollywood don’t know what they’re doing? Are you accusing a bunch of twenty-something Ivy Leaguers who came to town after failed careers in DC and the sons and daughters of studio suits of not know what a good screenplay is?
Bill’s comment so true.
Fucking major bump!
Precisely.
umm… nice try, shill.
Note this is playing to full houses here in Memphis. Lines like no other movie this year. Regarding cast appearances, Viola Davis and Bryce Howard even made an appearance on Paula Deen’s Food Network show last week … cooking fried chicken and collard greens!
I’m very glad rise of The apes will reclaim the box office titled. A number 3 opening for FD5 is definetly disappointing. Hopefully this will be the real final destination, because this franchise is dragging on.
What’s strange is that it’s one of the better reviewed FD movies. Go figure.
Watched FD5 last night in 3D and on IMAX and did not feel ripped off. It was 100x’s better then 3 and 4 and felt like the original FD flicks. Not a film for everyone but if you like this type of show, check it out. I can’t say I’m surprised by it’s BO since the studio pumped out two terrible sequels.
FD2 is the best by far… but I’m glad this one is being reviewed well!
The previous FD movies have opened to 10M, 16M, 19M, and 27M, respectively. Get rid of last year’s outlier and this is right in line with expectations. The franchise is obviously on a downward tilt, but no way is this the last one.
There’s really no reason to “get rid of the last installment’s outlier.” FD5 really should be doing SLIGHTLY better than this, no matter how you try to rationalize it.
exactly what i expected for final destination 5
The Help is one of the best films if not the best of 2011 and I’m a 28 year old male. It really makes you appreciate life no matter the race.
ahh… the fuzzy feeling generated by a white Savior film.
It’s needed from time to time. Thanks Bishop.
So what you’re saying is “The Help” is this year’s “Blind Side” in which white folk (with money, with privilege) tap the hidden world of black folk (in poverty, in a state of disenfranchisement) and VOILA discover that African Americans are, well, JUST LIKE US: They laugh; They cry; They are smart.
I agree with your assessment, LMAO! The white savior film is alive and well in Hollywood. And if it isn’t the white savior film it is its close kissing cousin seizing the day — the “pixie/magical black person” trope in which black folks have special powers (see Whoopi Goldberg in ‘Ghost’ or Will Smith in ‘Bagger Vance’ ) that helps save the day for the story’s white protagonist!
Meanwhile, authentic black stories of uplift (see Denzel Washington’s ‘Great Debaters’ ) flops. I am so hoping that Star Wars producer George Lucas’ ‘Red Tails’ — about the black air pilots known as the fearless Tuskegee Airman — does well.
If not, more saccharine, syrupy stories like ‘The Help’ will get second helpings… Watching The Help who knew that the Jim Crow era of Southern living was so good for black folks?
Well, the Blind Side is based on a true story.
And your point is what? I think what the original two posters are saying is that these White Savior films are the ones that Hollywood chooses to make. There are plenty of true stories about non-white people in America doing things for themselves. But movies based on those stories are rarely ever made. And if they are they are not marketed to mainstream audiences as films for ALL of us (whites and blacks and Asians and Latinos etc. alike) like “The Help” and “The Blindside” are.
A lot of the Apartheid South Africa Hollywood films of the 80′s and 90′s about whites standing up for blacks against racism were based on true stories. Yet Hollywood chose to make THOSE stories…and ignored the countless stories told from the black perspective and/or in which blacks were the central characters driving the story.
It’s 2011 and not much has changed.
Have you actually read The Blindside? It was pretty much nothing like the movie.
They made Oher cartoony (in his own words) and shoved his real story to the back to play up and focus on Sandra Bullock as the white savior.
It was bull, but, of course, it struck a cord with the white audience that eats this type of crap up and doesn’t even realize what they’re buying into for the most part.
@ Wannabe and Lo: Make your own films then.
Listen up Justin P and pass this around to your friends who use that as a justification:
“Based on a true story” DOES NOT mean it was FILMED truthfully. The real Michael Oher wasn’t a big, silent house pet. In the movie, when the crowd taunts him, he just puts his head down and “perseveres”. In the book, and in real life, he flipped the racist crowd the middle finger!
I’m so sick of white people saying “it’s based on a true story” to try to defend that movie. They should rename it The Blind Spot because white people still don’t get it.
While taking Hollywood to task for not making more movies of black uplift, let’s not let African-American audiences off the hook. If it’s not some Southern Baptist, chitlin’-circuit, eye-rollin, Jesus-praising, cross-dressing, lowest-common-denominator nonsense, or some Precious-style ghetto drama/dysfunction, black folk won’t pay to see it in theaters.
You speak the truth, diversity police!
I hear what you are saying, diversity police. I still stick by my guns. I just finished reading an interesting piece in Salon titled “Why Hollywood keeps whitewashing the past” in which the author says the following about “The Help” and Emma Stone’s protagonist, along with similar “savior” movies in the vein of “The Help”. I think the author gets it right and says far more eloquently than what I had hoped to. The Salon piece, in part, says of The Help:
“It’s a fictional flourish that feels like a college-educated white liberal’s wish-fulfillment fantasy of how she would have conducted herself had she been time-warped back to the civil rights era. I wouldn’t have just stood by and let it happen. I would have done something! Something brave! This silliness reminded me, perversely enough, of an old Eddie Murphy routine tweaking macho black males’ fantasies of how they would have behaved if they’d lived in the pre-Civil War South: “Brothers act like they couldn’t have been slaves back 200 years ago … ‘I wish I was a slave! I would f— somebody up!’”
And so, yet again, for what seems like the zillionth time, a heart-tugging Hollywood film transforms a harrowing and magnificent period of African-American life into a story of once-blinkered white people becoming enlightened.
The black characters’ struggles are sensitively rendered, magnificently acted, and sometimes heartbreaking sideshows. Although Viola Davis’ subtle performance anchors the movie, and will likely earn this perpetually underrated actress an Oscar nomination, giving Aibileen the movie’s voice-over won’t fool anybody. This is Skeeter’s movie. She’s the one who sets the plot in motion. Without her youthful idealism, these downtrodden black women would have continued to suffer in silence.
This sort of thing just keeps happening and happening and happening. The 1990 civil rights drama “The Long Walk Home” was told from the point of view of a young white girl whose mom (Sissy Spacek, who has a supporting role in “The Help”) drives their nanny (Whoopi Goldberg) to work during the 1955 Montgomery bus boycott. “Mississippi Burning” turned the 1964 murder investigation of Michael Schwerner, Andrew Goodman and James Chaney into a potboiler about two FBI agents (Willem Dafoe and Gene Hackman) solving the case through vigilante violence and intimidation; African-Americans were depicted as a mass of marchers and mourners. The 1996 film “Ghosts of Mississippi” told the story of a heroic white prosecutor, Bobby DeLaughter (Alec Baldwin), trying and convicting Byron de la Beckwith (James Woods), the man who murdered civil rights activist Medgar Evers in 1963. The Evers assassination becomes a piece of historical atmosphere in “The Help” — a means of raising the stakes, as hack screenwriters love to say, for plucky Skeeter and her interviewees.
Maybe this entire phenomenon originated in Harper Lee’s 1962 bestseller “To Kill a Mockingbird,” which wasn’t about a black man’s wrongful prosecution for rape, but an incorruptible white lawyer showing his kids how to be decent by standing up for black people. The book’s defendant, Tom Robinson, loses his life; his defense attorney, Atticus Finch, loses social stature. The narrator is a young white girl.
It’s not just African-American stories that get whitened up for film. “Cheyenne Autumn,” “Soldier Blue,” “A Man Called Horse,” “Little Big Man,” “Dances With Wolves” and “Geronimo” viewed the 19th century destruction of Native-American culture through the eyes of white folks. “Come See the Paradise” viewed the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II through the eyes of a white union organizer who had fallen in love with a beautiful Japanese-American detainee.”Cry Freedom,” “A Dry White Season,” “Invictus” and both film versions of “Cry, the Beloved Country” were mainly interested in what happened to white people’s consciences when black suffering stopped being an abstraction and started to affect them personally.
You speak BS. Black people are 12% of the population, so even when we do go out and let’s say 6-7% are movie going age–those numbers are too small to matter. And Spike Lee is hardly ‘chicken circuit’ and it’s not as if Hollywood ‘allows’ that many blacks to get into positions of power in Hollywood unless they are making chitlin’ circuit’ flicks –ala Tyler Perry. That said, I know very few blacks that support that type of coonery, so don’t speak for me/us.
Black people spent hundreds of years in bondage to Europeans and still struggle with the lingering effects of institutional racism. Meanwhile the monkeys in “Rise of the Planet of the Apes” took about 30 minutes to go from basic language to sparking the destruction of the White/Human establishment and setting up a literal banana republic in the Redwoods. Caesar didn’t need pants, much less a cleanly produced birth certificate, to finally stick it to the Man. And people think “The Help” is condescending?
I love the pissy attitude that white people like Justin P get when you point out that the patronizing white fantasy about race that they want to believe is phony. His snotty “make your own films then” response is a perfect example of it.
I love it when liberals fight over whether their own movies are PC enough…I believe there’s literally nothing a white liberal can do that won’t make another white liberal somewhere sniff and deplore the racism and white privilege inherent in his action
never change, guys
Translation: “I’m a racist scumbag but I’m too much of a wimp to admit it!”
What an incredibly stupid post.
sensitive bitch-you said it better than i.
Sweet jesus not this ridiculous crap again.
Since you managed a grammatical howler in just 8 words (it’s ‘you said it better than me’), you’re probably right.
EXACTLY! These “white guilt” or “white savior” movies where the upper class, rich white folks have a heart and help the poor black familes really are old and played out. It is again a problem with the lack of originality that haunts Hollywood today. There is just too much good ‘ol boys network, too much nepotisim, and too much fear of something new. Hollywood executives only speak one language…$$$$. So unfortunately as long as these movies keep making $$$$, they will continue to be made.
I wish people wouldn’t comment here if they haven’t seen the movie. If they did, they’d know it wasn’t a “white knight” tale, but rather one of races coming together unexpectedly AND reluctantly.
It’s not the best film of the year, but it has its heart in the right place.
races coming together? you must be white. because i saw the black maid who did all the writing lose her job and the savior white chick who basically wrote her words verbatim get the cushy writing job in NYC without compensating the maid a dime when she risked her life/job to HELP here. yet another movie that shows blacks can’t be saved unless it’s by a white person. sad…
Maybe you were in the bathroom, the proceeds from the book were split between all the maids. I am black. White people both started ended slavery and Jim Crow laws. There are heroes of the civil rights struggle of both races.
I really enjoyed Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes. A lot better than I expected and no, I am not getting paid to say that.
I doubt there are many shills as claimed on these comments section I mean, why bother – the only people who visit this site are industry insiders who aren’t swayed by ravings of anonymous people.
You’re wrong. I’m not in this industry and I visit this site every day. The topics of box office, movie-business dealings, salaries, and production costs have become water cooler talk, even outside the industry.
I disagree. There’s always posts saying:
“I went to the 3 o’clock in Sherman Oaks and the audience was laughing and cheering — weeping bitter tears of joy, applauding at all the right moments…”
And you know that shit’s fake, b/c no one wept over the Green Lantern except the people waiting on the returns. There’s mad shills on this site precisely b/c industry folks are trying to save face.
I agree, I had my trepidations about this film. I could’t even believe it was being made to begin with it but I was pleasantly surprised and now desire a sequel. I want to see where they can take this story.
Apes dropped big time despite its great reviews. No way its making it to $200 million domestically. Good for The Help, always nice to see movies with good reviews get good openings. Hope Cowboys & Aliens can make it to $100 million domestically. It should do pretty good internationally. Not great, but good enough to hopefully make its budget back. Not the best movie out of the summer, but it was still a fun movie.
I don’t think anyone expected Rising to get to $200M domestically, especially with a late-July opening.
Who on earth ever claimed apes would make $200m domestically? Whatever it makes – $150m is possible – it’s way outperforming early expectations.
Someone expected APES to do $200 million?
This movie just reignited the franchise, no small feat after the Burton remake. Great reviews, solid grosses, a moderate budget — there’s going to be a sequel no doubt and chances are it’ll do $200 million once it comes out and this film has played out on video and TV.
Considering the excellent reviews and great word of mouth, I’m pretty sure I wasn’t the only one thinking this could make it to $200 million. Now I’m not even sure if it can go past the Burton version. Its not doing all that well internationally either.
I often wonder why people come to DHD to knock – or play up – things they know nothing about. APES is at the top of every one of its foreign market openings, and Variety just called its international opening ‘impressive’.
But hey, why let facts get in your way? It must be doing badly…after all, you don’t like it!
Just because someone has a different opinion than yours, doesn’t mean they “know nothing about” the subject at hand.
hey chad: the guy said someone prognisticated $200 million, but that never happened. he also said it was doing poorly internationally: the opposite of the facts. you should get clear on opinion vs. fact.
Reviews and word of mouth have little positive effect when you’re talking about a franchise film (see XMen First Class). Rise of the Planet of the Apes probably won’t make it past the Tim Burton version because the Tim Burton film wasn’t very good. They’re reluctant to see another Apes movie after being burned by the last one. Look at the last Shrek, Pirates, and XMen movies for evidence of that.
The story is not over,
$200M would be 4x its opening weekend. For a summer blockbuster, especially one that opened in August that only has a few more weeks before school starts up again, that was never going to happen. If anybody thought that, they were dreaming.
Farzan – you are either clueless or simply have an axe to grind. There you are trying to put a positive spin on COWBOYS AND ALIENS, which is going to end up one of the big disappointments of the year, and yet are spinning negative comments on APES, one of the year’s best-reviewed films and one that’s already profitable. Other than your opinion, you seem to have no facts whatsoever to back up your point of view.
APES dropped 49% from its opening weekend – by any rational, objective account, that is a very strong performance. Very few genre films don’t sustain a drop well over 50-60%. That shows positive word of mouth.
The movie also cost under $100 million, and basically is already turning a profit — so much for you hoping COWBOYS AND ALIENS is going to get its money back. APES already did it in 10 days domestically.
Whether it does or doesn’t outgross the Burton movie, that also is completely irrelevant — many franchise films have to shake off the stigma of poor predecessors. There are surely some people out there not going to see this film because of the Burton movie. Over time, on Blu-Ray, DVD, TV, etc., those people will eventually see RISE. So obviously there will be a sequel and it stands to reason it will outperform RISE and very possibly hit the $200 million mark you mysteriously thought RISE was going to (nobody thought it was going to do $200 million — nobody. It opened on August 5th for goodness sakes!).
And as far as international, RISE just opened to an impressive start. But again, as someone else mentioned, why let facts stand in the way of your biased, off-base rant?
Box Office for C&A good enough to make its budget back?? This is going to be a huge write-off for DW, Universal, Paramount & Relativity. It’s already caused the plug to be pulled on The Lone Ranger.
This is a complete disaster for all involved.
Too bad, because it could have been great, but again the brains behind this were focusing on marketing instead of making fun entertainment.
A 49% weekend drop isn’t “big time” — it’s actually EXCELLENT for a genre/franchise film.
Get a clue!
I think potter should factor in the top ten–it did well this past week.
Harry Potter has probably been moved out of more than a few 3D venues (after 4 weeks), to help make room for two new 3D films this weekend.
Still, I’d expect Potter to be running neck-and-neck with the 5 or so other movies trying for a place at the #7-#10 spots in the list this weekend.
Final Destination 5 will probably more than double its US gross internationally. While The Help’s subject matter will probably play best to US audiences (The Blind Side is a fair comparison).
You might want to check the best seller lists around the world before you make that prediction. The Help is number one in the majority of countries throughout Europe, Australia and is just down being released in places like Russia, South America and in the Far East. The Blind Side was based on a book that was a minor best seller in the US about a young man playing a sport no one outside of the US gives a rat’s arse about. For that reason your comparison is faulty.
No comments about 30 Minutes or Less expected to pull in only $13 mill? It might even drop completely out of the top 10 by next week.
Good concept, but the trailers looked painfully unfunny. Didn’t seem to be much chemistry between the two leads, and I think everyone has to be tired of Danny McBride playing Danny McBride in every single movie or tv show, whether it’s set in high fantasy medieval times or in a random Mexican baseball village.
It’s too bad they wasted a concept that had so much potential.
You’re wrong about Danny McBride. He just signed a huge TV deal this week so obviously the squares in Hollywood aren’t tired of him.
http://www.deadline.com/?s=danny+mcbride
And they wonder why their stocks are plummeting.
Here’s the thing. Danny McBride was never, ever funny to mainstream audiences. He’s a one note act, and not a very good one. He’s that bitter guy at the end of the bar that one or two people think is funny and everyone else steers clear of. But the self hating squares in Hollywood are those one or two people so he’s gotten a ton of breaks. Even though America has voted over and over again on McBride and his no talent partner, Jody Hill. Let’s face it, everything they touch is a box office bomb at this point.
Yet, they’ll keep working because they somehow got anointed the “hip” kids. And no one in Hollywood wants to be consider unhip.
Danny McBride is not a star. period.
Have to say this is a spot-on assessment. To anyone who’s not an Eastbound & Down fan, he’s that annoying guy who keeps popping up everywhere.
You’re all wrong; Danny McBride is extremely funny as Kenny Powers but horrible as seemingly any other character. As bad as all of his movies are, Eastbound is still one of the funniest shows on tv
Yeah, well Danny and his small cult audience -
http://www.deadline.com/2010/10/cable-ratings-hub-ok-in-debut-dexter-up-boardwalk-empire-down-on-sunday/
can continue on HBO since they’ve already got your money before they air anything. But no one else seems to want to pony up dough for McBride’s act.
Of course the fanboys and the squares that run Hollywood think the dude is funny. But the rest of the people, those that don’t smoke pot all day long think the dude is painfully unfunny.
Glad to see someone else thinks Danny McBride is an unfunny load. He’s like the American Russell Brand, IMO. We keep getting them shoved down our throats.
Danny McBride — he may not be talented but he SURE is easy on the eyes. Oh, wait…
Love McBride, but he can’t go an interview without talking about how the acting thing happened by accident, and he was supposed to be a director. It’s true, it’s honest, but people want to see him on the small screen, where they can laugh at how he’s kind of a doof.
But he is a talented artist, which is more than you can say for Aziz Ansari. I think people are confusing him with Dave Chapelle crossed with Kal Penn, and he’s really just got a grating voice and no chops.
Unfortunately, guys don’t want to be him, and girls don’t want to be with him.
Aziz is not funny – he’s like the no talent Dane Cook
MRC Productions stikes again.
Yeah, I never denied that Danny McBride had at least some fans; actually, I enjoyed the first season of Eastbound & Down, and I like his role in Pineapple Express.
But like most are pointing out, he’s probably better/best in small doses. He has really hammered on that “one note” with a fervor, and in quite a short amount of time.
Look at what transpired right after his Pineapple Express role: he launched E&D (obviously nothing wrong with that decision), he co-starred in Land of the Lost (which tanked due to little or no fault of McBride), he co-starred in Your Highness (which tanked because of him), and he had bit-parts playing largely the same character in Tropic Thunder, Due Date, Observe & Report… and now he has 30 Mins or Less. That’s quite a short period (2008-11) saturated with pretty much the same performances in the same types of movies.
But there’s the conundrum: the main (or only) reason why he gets work is because of his sarcastic, foul-mouthed jerk, albeit one-note, shtick — yet, the overexposure of that shtick might be the reason why no one wants to watch his films anymore.
But I guess that’s the problem that pretty much all comedic actors encounter down the line, sooner or later, whether it’s Bill Murray, Jim Carrey, Eddie Murphy, Mike Myers, Will Ferrell, Jack Black, Seth Rogen, et al. These comedic actors either re-invented their “shtick” or re-invented themselves as dramatic actors… or they just faded away with that “one note.”
Your Highness tanked because of him?
What a stupid and baseless statement.
Really, my statement — that Your Highness tanked due to McBride — was “stupid and baseless”?
Let’s look at the extent of his involvement, shall we? McBride was front and center and received top billing in the movie. He wrote, produced, and starred in the movie. Short of directing it, I’m pretty sure he was as involved as any one person can be in a single film — it had his fingerprints on it on every level of production. If Your Highness grossed $150 million worldwide, would he not receive credit for the success?
The movie cost about $50 million to produce, yet it barely pulled in $26 million from the entire world. It got a 26% rating on RT and a C+ on CinemaScore — which is pretty much a failing grade on CS. I won’t go through all the reviews, but let’s take a short peek: Ebert says “The screenplay by Danny McBride is so hopeless, he didn’t even write himself a good role, and he plays the lead”; Peter Travers says “the air of [McBride's] comic mojo balloon goes out pretty damn quick”; David Germain of the Associated Press says “Co-writer McBride and his collaborators apparently set out on a quest to ram as much coarse language … as possible, maybe to cover the fact that the movie doesn’t contain much else”…. and on and on.
If McBride really had written an excellent screenplay, done an awesome job as a producer, AND nailed his lead role, then why did the movie bomb so badly? Hmmm, maybe McBride really did a great job as writer/producer/actor for the film, and most or all of the fault should go to James Franco and Natalie Portman.
It was a very funny movie.
FD5 is doing what I expected its coming off the worst entry of the series so I expected a decrease for this installment. Here’s the catch though, FD5 is actually getting good solid reviews so that may actually setup FD6 to make more money but enough people need see to FD5. It’s going to be hard for FD5 to secure any legs with the worse weekends of the box office year coming up since school is starting up all over each week. FD5 may have to do like FD3 and get most of its viewing from home video.
Good for Planet of the Apes that is a rarely good second week hold for any movie in the last few years.
The Help is doing a great job right out of the gate and might have long legs.
So is Emma Stone starting to get recognition? I mean she’s in two movies that are in the top ten. I hope she does more roles but doesn’t get over saturated like natalie Portman. She’s a really talented actress and I would love to see her more though
She was on the cover of the July Vanity Fair. She’s getting recognition. She’s getting talked about for her acting rather than her sexuality, which probably bodes well for her future. I’ve noticed actresses who get packaged for male consumption when they are young tend to be thought of as over the hill by 35 or younger. I think she has 4 more movies coming out this year, but I don’t know if she’s starring in them.
I’m not surprised about 5nal Destination, since when’s the last time people talked about that series, amirite? But that drop for Glee’s gotta hurt. Of course, it’s just a gimmick meant to get people to buy bad cover songs on iTunes, so it was inevitable it’d run its course. At least Hannah Montana and HSM had something to do with the “characters”. After 30 Minutes tanked, though, can we officially declare Danny McBride to be a non-draw? I like him as an actor, but there isn’t a real market for boorish loud-mouths.
I’m not in the movie industry . Just a movie fan . That being said i won’t spend a penny on Apes or FD5 . I loved the Help.. For me one of the best so far in a year piled with tons of shit.. I don’t remember a year with so much coming out that I wouldn’t even want to see for free.
Ouch for Glee. I’ve seen tons of promo for it.
Final Destination 5 may barely reach $40M. I haven’t seen the film yet so I can’t judge if it’s good or not. But I am a huge fan of the series.
Ouch for FD5! Scream 4 also made $18M opening weekend. But it didn’t have a summer release date and 3D going for it. This is just pathetic.
30 minutes or Less was painful to get through. Aziz Ansari is noticeably reciting lines he memorized and not acting. He is lifeless other than shouting. McBride is getting over done with the redneck character and Swardson could have been played by anyone. Poorly directed. That’s a shame, wanted more from this.
are you kidding?! we were laughing out loud during our showing, movie was great
No one reviewing the film was expecting Citizen Kane. So 30% on Rotten Tomatoes? Really terrible.
Terrible screenplay — who greenlighted it?
Actually, its 45% on RT and 76% on Audience.
Whenever you point to the Audience Rating, that’s when you know you’ve lost your argument.
It’s called selection bias, and a 70-something rating is equivalent to an F-minus.
still a turd
“No one reviewing the film was expecting Citizen Kane”
Speak for yourelf; I would assume that a murderer’s row of talent like Ansiz Ansari, Nick Swardson, etc. would be able to equal Welles’ achievement in “Citizen Kane”, as well as Kurosawa’s “Seven Samurai”, Bergman’s “Wild Strawberries”, etc. I am completely shocked that they did not live up to my perfectly reasonable expectations!
I really hope the viewing you’re referencing involved many teenagers and loads of hallucinogens. The movie is terrible to everyone else.
You should try not to be a pompous idiot and speak for everyone else. It was very funny, The many people laughing in the theater last night would agree as well.
Spot on. Aziz Ansari is worse than Justin Timberlake. And he shouldn’t get a free pass – he’s difficult to look at.
it was unwatchable… as if a blind man directed it. think about it… what you saw in the movie were the best takes of every scene! yikes…
Dreadful early numbers for 30 Minutes or Less. Yowza. Who’s to blame? With this cast people were expecting low 20s. Eisenberg will get away unscathed. But what does it mean for Aziz’s career? And that’s the second major flop this year for Danny McBride.
Aziz Ansari is confusing yelling with acting. It was really difficult to sit through, and then I checked out the reviews. Pretty much everyone ripped him for his yelling schtick. It was painful.
a disaster. no way to spin it. the director’s next has sean penn and one of the great casts in recent years. the studio has to be questioning the decision to hire him after these numbers. way in over his head. aziz should stick to rap videos.
Aziz Ansari is a nice comedian, but he shouldn’t be a co-lead in a buddy comedy. Actually, he should, I like him a lot, but if you’re a comedian and you can’t bring your base to your first big movie, that’s not a good sign. Like his comedy a bit, but do agree with the yelling and high-pitched voice being annoying. Having to sit through that for two hours is not fun.
I like how you say “he shouldn’t be a co-lead…” and then immediately pivot and say, “Actually, he should, I like him…”
You clearly work in Hollywood.
Aziz Ansari has never really been all that funny. I conjecture that f he wasn’t a rare (and welcome) racially diverse comic, he might have been branded a generic comedian. His material is fairly mediocre.
WOW, i love how you spin everything you say in 1 breath..you are obviously a Hollywood PRODUCER
How dare you slander Tom Haverford!
The Help is getting knocked by a lot of black commentators and yet the film is doing well with black and white audiences.
These are the same people who see Tyler Perry films and struggle to find some intellect in them because they are successful.
My fellow black people, it is time to accept the truth. It is not any stereotype in The Help that bothers you. It’s the fact that all the filmmakers behind the camera are white.
And yet when black people make the movies you claim you want to see. righteous black films with strong men and women, you stay at home.
So STFU and go see The Help.
Who the F are you to claim to know what all black people want to see or should see?
Numbers don’t lie, and dollars don’t lie. When “braver” movies are made, where are the black audiences?
Everyone claims to hate that Tyler Perry movies get made, but then they do $80m+.
NCFBM, you hit the nail on the head!
NCFBM–
When will you white guys learn, that saying “I’m black” is 3 red flag that you’re actually a pasty white guy sitting in his under-roos in his mom’s basement trying to whitewash something?
Now go STFU and troll X-Box Live or something you inbred.
Enough with the “white savior” comments. The two black, female characters play just as large a role in their own triumph. And the story simply align with logic for the times. Women in their situation wouldn’t have access to a large publisher in NYC. Have you even seen the film or are you one of those who just likes to jump on the latest hater bandwagon?
I saw the film. Viola Davis is brilliant as usual, and the wonderful Octavia Spencer will see her career skyrocket. Emma Stone was great too. Great cast overall.
But the black maids are content with their situation until a young white woman convinces them to tell their stories, and provides them with the means to do so. Moreover, the young white woman, not the black maids, drives the story. It is the young white woman’s evolution as a character that ultimately provides the movie with its arc. (Don’t let the black maid serving as narrator or the last shot of the film fool you.)
That, by definition, is a White Savior film. Hey, I’m not saying I disliked the film. I’ve been recommending it to folks, actually, and I know I convinced at least four people to spend their money on it its opening weekend. But that doesn’t mean I don’t recognize it for what it is.
I didn’t get the sense that Skeeter actually convinces the maids to share their stories. Rather, she is rejected until the maids are convinced by the force of their own experiences to share. Skeeter is just their vehicle.
Exactly — my take was that the maids turned Skeeter down until events got so difficult that they decided to take a stand, even if it carried a LOT of risk (who do you think would have gone to jail had they been caught? Certainly not Skeeter…).
So THEY take the risk. Minnie is the one that convinces Aibeleen and Skeeter to continue it when they think about stopping. She uses them, but they also use her to get their story told (and, btw, make money in the process).
I’m not saying that there’ NO trace of the “white savior” here, but this is no Blindside.
For crying out loud. Watching people here trying to out-liberal each other is like watching two hipsters argue over the last Pabst Blue Ribbon. Yes, we’re all impressed–YOU are the REAL savior, because you have debunked “The Help.” We get it. Now members of all other races love you. Sheesh.
Most of the debunking is coming from black posters, but I don’t expect a right wingnut to understand something as simple as that.
Glee’s “It Sucks” may turn out to be the truth in advertising that kept people home. I wonder if we’re nearing Glee Burnout, only time will tell.
The comment above RE: Harry Potter.. HP7B will probably catch to a 7-10 by the end of the weekend, but the studio isn’t crying in it’s beer, it still rakes it in overseas, and it’s already cross the BILLION marker, so it’s not as though they can moan about poor performance.
30 Minutes is the real bomb this weekend; it absolutely is crumbling, turnouts are small, and it word of mouth buzz is bad.
The Help was compared to Eat, Pray, Love.. but it is going to demolish that box office wise; it’s per theater average is unbelievable, the studio has to be kicking themselves for not trying to go wider it seems to have found a much larger audience then the book and in one weekend it’s going to cover costs. Could be one of the more profitable ventures of the year, and Davis will get some serious Oscar buzz.
The trailer for 30 minutes or less is hilarious, but I think it did well with 13 million given it’s competition. Those holdovers from july are still a factor.
the trailer was good and promos too but really not funny. agree with earlier posters that Aziz can’t act and Danny McBride is one note. Thinking they did the best with what they had but this still has to be disappointing.
30min or less was one of the worst written movies I’ve ever seen
So true. Who writes this swill? I went to this movie, loving Jesse Eisenberg from his turn in The Social Network. Then this?
I want my money back. People write garbage like this and get paid for it?
I thought Jesse did ok in this movie.
“So true. Who writes this swill?”
Probably a bunch of guys who went to Harvard
I see what you did there.
This movie was awful. I’ve seen pornos with better production value… and acting. (admittedly, I have watched quite a few pornos.)
Apes is astonishingly good and word of mouth will keep it performing.
I couldn’t agree more.
FD5 got a B+ Cinemascore overall, which should translate into decent word of mouth. The movie isn’t high art but it’s a lot of fun. And surprisingly funny in a good way, not a cheesy campy way. And given the last one did $140mm internationally alone, my guess is we better get ready for a Part 6.
I really liked FD5. Unlike the last one, this had some suspense and not just over the top gore. I saw it on imax last night and there were only like 10 people