Ray Richmond is contributing to Deadline’s coverage of TCA.
The fact that ABC’s new drama Pan Am is set during the golden age of passenger air travel is set, like NBC’s Playboy Club, in the 1960s continues to bring charges that the networks are hellbent on capitalizing on the zeitgeist created by AMC’s Mad Men. But veteran producer-director Thomas Schlamme, a director and exec producer on Pan Am, told a roomful of critics this morning at TCA that Mad Men really has nothing to do with broadcast’s sudden fascination with ’60s culture and that it’s honestly coincidental. “I think television is just execution,” Schlamme said. “It’s not the time period it takes place in. … It really is just execution. So all I can say is (this show) really has nothing to do with Mad Men. It just has to do with the fact our show, we hope, will be executed in a wonderful way and have a sort of wish fulfillment that will bring us a large audience.”
Schlamme continued, “I think we’re all fans of Mad Men. But literally one has almost nothing to do with the other — as well as shows I’ve done in the past had nothing to do with other shows that may have been successful or not successful. It happens that it’s set in the ’60s. It’s a great time period. I hope there are shows that start to be set in the ’70s and ’80s and whenever else we can celebrate stories.” The Pan Am cast and producers also addressed several questions about the sexist and misogynistic aspects of the series as a mirror of the era, which manifest itself in the pilot with the stewardesses subjected to girdle checks and weigh-ins. “That’s a good reason to set a show in the ’60s,” Schlamme pointed out. “Was it misogynistic? Were women this, were women that? That’s great drama right there.”
The panel also covered the fact that new male lead Mike Vogel (the role was recast after the pilot) is in fact a real private pilot, which he called “one of the huge draws for me” in getting cast on the show. “In the cockpit, we have business we can do and it’s authentic business. Added Schlamme: “The good news is we hired a real pilot who knows what he’s doing. The bad news is we hired a real pilot who knows what he’s doing.”


Pan Am is getting great reviews by critics. But, some wonder whether or not this type of show will work on network tv.
Pan Am is not getting great reviews. It’s downright terrible. The writing is awful and empty. The casting of the pilot is lousy too.
It’s DOA.
Jack’s right. For example Joe Adalian called the pilot, “fun”. The AOLTV Critics liked it as well. And most people who’ve seen the pilot on Twitter liked it. Don’t believe me?
“@MintCool Elizabeth Peterson
Just finished watching the Pan Am pilot airing this fall on ABC. Looks so awesome! #Blogher11″
Also, Hitfix’s Daniel Feinberg a real critic on the Pan Am pilot on twitter
“The next panel is for ABC’s “Fly Girls” remake “Pan Am.” [Which I quite liked.]“
Correction: James’s right.
Pauline Kael was known for her use of the phrase “Looks so awesome!”
“But veteran producer-director Thomas Schlamme, a director and exec producer on Pan Am, told a roomful of critics this morning at TCA that Mad Men really has nothing to do with broadcast’s sudden fascination with ’60s culture and that it’s honestly coincidental.”
Yeah, and I’ve got a nice bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.
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Well, we all know that it won’t be as good of a show as Mad Men.
How?
I’m personally excited to see Ginnifer Goodwin and Christina Ricci in a show together.
Fascinating, but that show won’t be this one. Ginnifer Goodwin isn’t in it.
I was a former flight attendant in the 60′s.
I think it was the worst experience of my life.
Talk about being exploited as a female. “Being Weighed In” was an unique experience.But if I had to do it all over again I would have definitely done so. I just wanted to be a stewardess (that was what we were called back in the 60′s) so bad. If you didn’t look good-don’t apply.
Maybe some of the airlines of today could buy a clue.
Should have gone to medical school like my brother.
If American women had to be “weighed in” today, none of you would have jobs.
Ba-dump-bump-pssh
Stick to your day job, d bag.
Betty, you’re clearly an idiot.
I saw the pilot and I agree with Betty. It was deadly dull more like an empty shell. The story was underwater and none of the characters popped. There wasn’t one good line in it. I’d love to see it fly but the sensibility of the writing was really unremarkable.
Mad Men is great because of the writing. Everything else is secondary. It doesn’t matter how well a pilot is produced if the writing isn’t there.
I saw an extended preview of ‘Pan Am’ at my local AMC theater before the feature, and one of the stars noted that this was an ‘original’ idea. After she said this, I (and a handful of others in the theater) laughed out loud.
This got fasttracked when Mad Men took off. And now it’s set to air a couple of years after Mad Men peaked creatively.
This one won’t last long, folks.
Mad Men premiered four years ago. If networks were trying to knock it off, don’t you think they’d have done it a lot sooner? Plus, it’s not as if it’s the only TV show ever set in the 1960s. NBC had American Dreams for several seasons in the early 2000s.
Nope, I think this is the soonest it could have happened.
“Mad Men” wasn’t an instant success, so people wouldn’t have even thought about copying it till 3 years ago max, more likely 2 years ago.
2 years from the moment someone decides to do a rip-off till it is actually ready to air sounds about right to me.
Not just Mad Men, but some of the shots in the pilot seem to be directly stolen from Catch Me If You Can.
I totally agree, someone decided to throw “Mad Men” and CATCH ME IF YOU CAN in a blender. That’s not to say it can’t turn out well, but still the influences are obvious.
How can shots be stolen?
I get the “Mad Men” comparisons but I the only reason why you’re bringing up “Catch Me” is because it’s set in the ’60s and features airplanes.
Have you seen CATCH ME IF YOU CAN? A large portion of the film has DiCaprio’s character posing as a Pan Am pilot, always followed by a bevy of Pan Am stewardesses.
This will be lighter and more fun then “Mad Men”, it’s target is clearly women. I get the feeling that “The Playboy Club” will be more like “Mad Men”, plus “Mad Men” has a small audience so few people will make the comparison.
Yeah and Mac and Me wasn’t trying to be E.T.
Lol! Exactly!
I would have said, “It’s exactly like Mad Men, except it has different actors, it’s set in an entirely different world, it’s going to get 10 times the ratings, and it’s not run by a narcissist. But other than that it’s just like Mad Men, so feel free to give it the same kind of reviews and accolades you give Mad Men. Also it’s a lot like Breaking Bad, Friday Night Lights, and The Wire. And to any potential viewers who aren’t critics, it’s none of those things. It’s actually CSI meets Friends. “
First Schlamme says, “It just has to do with the fact our show, we hope, will be executed in a wonderful way and have a sort of wish fulfillment that will bring us a large audience.” Then he says, “Was it misogynistic? Were women this, were women that? That’s great drama right there.”
So is it wish fulfillment for an era of misogyny?
Clearly with Pan Am, Charlies Angels and Playboy club being written and produced by men in baseball caps. Misogyny rules.
I have always believed that a middle aged white guy from Brentwood making a lot of dough is the person to tell the story of female empowerment in any era.
Buffy The Vampire Slayer was written by Joss Whedon. Joss Whedon is a male who writes strong women beautifully. He’s never misogynistic with his women.
Josh Whedon is a rare bird and a great soul. The total exception.
Thomas Schlamme is the best. I look forward to any show he does. Sounds like people are worried Pan Am might make their shows look like crap so they attack.
Imitation may be the sincerest form of flattery, but once again, the nets provoe why they just “don’t get it”. They’ve copied Mad Men’s era only. You could take Don Draper & company and put them in an 2011 setting and the show would still work, albeit in a different way. The characters are fully realized, the acting is excellent, and the writing is superb. The fact that it is set in the 1960s is secondary.
So let Pan Am put Wednesday as a stewardess (pre “flight attendant” days), and the Playboy Club can have that smiling pretty-boy let go from CSI: Miami, but I dare say the nets still don’t get it. It’s sort of like a copy of a copy, or putting The Sopranos or Dexter on broadcast television. It just doesn’t work.
Mad Men is in no danger of being upstaged by these wannabes.
I know lying is admired and even encouraged in town when it works out but pretending this show or Playboy Club (which undoubtedly was borne from a SINGLE EPISODE of Mad Men) would exist without Mad Men is embarrassing. If the show is good it will deserve credit but pretending that a lightning bolt of inspiration hit the execs at ABC and NBC with these two shows is delusional.
Are they seriously claiming “Playboy Club” wasn’t inspired by “Mad Men” as well? That’s insane. They even cast the African American actress who played the Playboy Bunny on “Mad Men” as a Bunny here too.
Thomas Schlamme is damn right that Pan Am is no Mad Men. Mad Men is a classic. Pan Am is nothing but boring trash.
Sorry to break it to you but Ginnifer is another ABC series called “Once Upon a Time.” It will come on Sunday nights like Pan Am so you’ll get Goodwin and Ricci fix in one night at least.
The important thing is that Schlamme believe he’s not Mad Men-ing it. Because no one else does.
I liked “Pan Am” but the cinematography of “Mad Men” blows “Pan Am” out of the water. Is it because “Man Men” is shot on film “Pan Am” is digital?
It may be no mad men but we all know it comes from mad mens existence. That said I was really interested in this show but I cant stand christina ricci and eddie cibrian.
Good thing they aren’t the co-stars of this show. (Slaps forehead).
The Pan-Am pilot was terrific. There isn’t a better director on TV than Schlamme.
Mad Men in contrast is a preposterous, misanthropic bore.