SATURDAY PM, 4TH UPDATE (includes full analysis): Seriously, do movie moguls get into showbiz just to greenlight
unnecessary remakes of teen movies, prequels to horror movies, or unfunny comedies that humiliate big stars like Owen Wilson, Jack Black, and Steve Martin? Apparently so, based on this weekend’s trio of major opening films. Maybe that’s why audiences are rebelling. Paramount’s rebooted Footloose was sucker-punched by DreamWorks/Disney’s bot-battling holdover Real Steal for No. 1. But the truly alarming news is how very weak the North American box office performed again. I’ve been reporting how younger males — which used to be Hollywood’s target audience — have been no longer consistently (and indiscriminately) going to the movies since August. As a longtime studio exec worried out loud to me Friday night: “I’m really concerned about how soft things are. I’m sitting here looking at grosses and I’m concerned for the Industry. What’s worrying me is where are those hardcore movie fans at this point?” Well, I say Hollywood should expect the worst when they release a succession of mostly dreadful pics. This weekend’s total gross won’t edge much over $80M — which is a whopping -35% from last year when Jackass 3D opened to $50M. (I know what you’re thinking: Who are the jackasses now?) This is not a good situation for the studios to be in as moviegoing enters the all-important holiday season:
1. Real Steel (DreamWorks/Disney) Week 2 [3,440 Theaters]
Friday $4.4M, Saturday $7.2M, Weekend $16M (-41%), Estimated Cume $51.7M
Nice hold, and this feel-good film is now successfully marketing itself as family fare. Witness the +64% jump from Friday to Saturday because parents and kids were attending matinees. But this costly pic is still not the big hit DreamWorks needs it to be.
2. Footloose (Paramount) NEW [3,549 Theaters]
Friday $5.6M, Saturday $6.3M, Weekend $15.5M
Ask Paramount why a reboot of Footloose was even necessary and the sheepish answer is that the 2011 version cost just $24M and the bosses expected to make their money back this first weekend. But they didn’t: it’s a really mediocre opening even if the pic is #1. ”Ultimately there are a number of elements to a studio’s portfolio,” one exec explained to me. “Some movies are original. Some movies are risks. And sometimes you look for opputunities for good investments like this.” This spreadsheet mentality is exactly the sort of bloodless filmmaking which drives creatives crazy about Hollywood. But it’s not only the moguls at fault: Craig Brewer went from writing and directing such edgy fare as Black Snake Moan and Hustle & Flow to helming and earning a screenplay credit on this script from Dean Pitchford who authored the book of the Footloose musical on Broadway. (I can only surmise that Brewer needed a gig.) Of course the studio has told me 4 times in 12 hours that audiences gave the remake an ‘A’ CinemaScore which justified the positive reviews of this virtual shot-by-shot update. Marketed first as an inspirational story of empowerment, the campaign was craven enough to sell Footloose-styled sneakers on the Home Shopping Network. Traffic at first lagged despite high awareness of the iconic original until wannasee picked up at the end because of the relentless promotion.
There had been an extensive word-of-mouth screening program for young girls during the summer at places like cheerleading camps and then a follow-up Facebook/Twitter campaign to get them talking about this virtual shot-by-shot update. Exit polls showed it appealed to females (75%) and captured 28% of the teen market. As many as 60% of moviegoers were over age 25 and 46% over age 35 because of the nostalgia factor. As expected, the film with its more fundamentalism-friendly makeover played best in the Midwest, Southwest, and South: the American heartland which Hollywood generally derides as ‘flyover’ country. As a result, Paramount bought deeper in Southern/Middle American 30 local TV markets and outdoor to take advantage of this film’s appeal there. For instance, the studio put key art on over 1 million Greyhound bus jackets, with Footloose posters and counter cards at 90+ depots. I’m told the 20 highest grossing locations Friday were in Salt Lake City, Oklahoma City, Knoxville, Kansas City, and San Antonio. And remember that Paramount’s Viacom sister company is Country Music Television where there was considerable hardsell including a Footloose takeover, a CMT-hosted Nashville film premiere, and an on-air “Footloose Week”.
Also utilized was sister company MTV’s VMA Awards including pushes during the pre-VMA original Jersey Shore, VMA Pre-Show, and during the live VMA show. MTV also promoted vignettes showing how MTV’s talent/prime time shows “Cut Loose”. Still another sister company, Nickelodeon, showed custom spots featuring Nickelodeon’s star Victoria Justice talking about her role on the Footloose soundtrack. Paramount used all those TV dance contests to pitch the pic, kicking off the campaign with the debut of the Footloose trailer on June 22nd’s So You Think You Can Dance and culminating with lead Julianne Hough’s emotion-exploiting stunt returning to October 11th’s Dancing With The Stars to perform a 4-minute number to Footloose music with co-star Kenny Wormaid. Speaking of Wormaid, he’s no Kevin Bacon (who blessed this reboot). After seeing something like 30 TV spots of him gyrating, I still can’t pick this new guy out of a police lineup.
3. The Thing (Universal) NEW [2,996 Theaters]
Friday $3.2M, Saturday $3.4M, Weekend $8.5M
Like Footloose, Universal’s The Thing was low cost with low turnout. Audiences gave the No. 2 movie only a ‘B-’ CinemaScore. And yet they were primed for a Halloween-timed horror film. (The economy is frightening enough for me…) This prequel to John Carpenter’s 1982 film – which itself was a remake of the 1951′s The Thing From Another World — was supposed to be a suspenseful take on the shape-shifting creature’s origins set in icy Antarctica. Tracking suggested the thriller could open in the low double digits. But it underperformed to only single digits. Universal integrated the movie with wannabe stars Mary Elizabeth Winstead and Joel Edgerton from new director Matthijs Van Heijningen into its famed Halloween Horror Nights with mazes at both Universal Studios Hollywood and Universal Orlando Resorts (September 23-October 31). Even the junket was held in the Hollywood maze. So what does this have to do with filmmaking? Nothing. And that’s the point. I bet hundreds of the millions of user-generated scare videos uploaded at ItWillBecomeYou.com were better than this pic. Substantial online resources were utilized like social networking and gaming and full-page takeovers and custom creative on sites like XBox, Vevo, Break, IGN, Metacafe, ESPN, Syfy, YouTube, Yahoo, AOL, Fandango, Movietickets and others. The studio released a red-band online trailer for fans of harder horror, as well as a green-band, using the familiar synth score from the original film. There was a customized outreach to the Hispanic market, who typically overindex for horror films, around the idea of “La Cosa Pronto Vivira En Ti”. Universal is distributing The Thing for Morgan Creek in 28 international territories including UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Australia, and Latin America.
4. The Ides Of March (Cross Creek/Sony) Week 2 [2,199 Theaters]
Friday $2.2M, Saturday $3.3M, Weekend $7.5M (-29%), Cume $22.2M
Excellent hold for George Clooney’s intelligent political thriller that adults are still discovering and welcoming.
5. The Dolphin Tale (Alcon/Warner Bros) Week 4 [3,286 Theaters]
Friday $1.6M, Saturday $2.8M, Weekend $6.3M, Cume $58.6M
6. Moneyball (Sony) Week 4 [2,840 Theaters]
Friday $1.7M, Saturday $2.5M, Weekend $5.5M, Estimated Cume $57.7M
7. 50/50 (Summit) Week 3 [2,391 Theaters]
Friday $1.3M, Saturday $1.8M, Weekend $4.5M, Cume $24.5M
8. The Big Year (Fox) NEW [2,150 Theaters]
Friday $1.1M, Saturday $1.3M, Weekend $3.2M
I still can’t believe that big stars Owen Wilson, Jack Black, and Steve Martin, or David Frankel who directed big hits The Devil Wears Prada and Marley & Me, could possibly have opened a movie that bombed this big-time at the box office. Yet first Friday’s and then Saturday’s grosses were tantamount to only $1 million per movie star. Geez. I agree with the reviewer who complained that the trio have contracted the “comedy-suppressing disease” demonstrating “terminal blandness”. Even audiences weren’t amused and gave it only a ‘B-’ CinemaScore. The Big Year would be a come-to-Jesus moment in big Fox filmmaking – until you realize that there have been so many of these come-to-Jesus moments in Fox filmmaking in recent years. Yet the studio still refuses to change the way it makes creative decisions. (To be fair, Twentieth at least made successful prequels this summer…)
Credited screenwriter Howard Franklin’s script is a fictionalized adaptation of Mark Obmascik’s non-fiction book of the same name about of all things – birdwatching — but more so about a mid-life crisis, a late-life crisis, and a no-life crisis among men. Co-produced by Ben Stiller’s and Stuart Cornfeld’s production banner Red Hour based at Twentieth Century Fox, this is a pic that “maybe was too sophisticated and subtle for a big studio release and probably should have been a Searchlight movie,” one of my insiders tells me. “But Twentieth made it because of our relationship with the director who made Prada and Marley for us, both of which were quirky adult movies, too, and a ton of money.” The Big Year cost $41M before co-financier Dune’s investment and Canadian tax credits, which brought the studio’s stake down to $28M — or so Fox claims.
The studio had little or no expectations for The Big Year this weekend. “It’s a good film that has proved impossible to market because of the subject matter. The bird-watching aspect just seems to repel people…” one source told me. When I saw the trailers and TV ads, I didn’t realize what the pic was about: just that the combination of Owen, Jack, and Steve seemed like the kind of adut comedy I would want to see. Problem is, reviews were mixed: The New York Times really liked it, for example, but other influencers not so much. Recognizing that adults, and men especially, is a slow build audience, marketing was targeted to them. But why should I bother giving details of the plan when it was an epic fail?
9. Courageous (Sherwood/Sony) Week 3 [1,214 Theaters]
Friday $1M, Saturday $1.2M, Weekend $3.2M, Cume $21.2M
10. Dream House (Universal) Week 3 [2,172 Theaters]
Friday $740K, Saturday $1.2M, Weekend $2.6M, Estimated Cume $18.5M
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As long as this means the endless Footloose ads will stop, I’ll take it.
i know right – what on earth did Paramount spend to hurl that movie upon the public. they had 60 second spots, 90 second spots – all helping run up costs. it is absurd to make an inexpensive movie and then spend your brains out selling it to a disinterested public.
When was the last time that Hollywood made a movie that would be predicted a “future classic ?”
All they do is crank out junk. I don’t go to theaters anymore due to the obnoxious attendees with screaming babies, cell phone talking idiots and the jerk behind me using the back of my seat as a rocking foot rest ! Not to mention the idiot in front of me who refuses to take off his 80-gallon Cowboy hat !
But, with the dumbing-down of each generation’s minds and morales, the quality of movies coincide with the intelect of movie goers.
Thank goodness for AMC and TCM.
The last “future classic” that I can even think of was Jurassic Park and that was 1993.
Jurassic Park! Seriously?!
That was a great movie, but since then we’ve had Saving Private Ryan, Pulp Fiction, Seven, The Matrix, Before The Devil Knows Your Dead, City of God, ect, ect…
There’s plenty of classics out there, buddy. You need to get out more.
Right on. It’s disturbing that people have no manners – just not in the movie theater but everywhere.
PREACH IT, BROTHER!
im sure you are being oh so honest here
what a tired cliche. Does all that actually happen every time you go to the movies? i doubt it.
Does it have to happen EVERY time for it to be annoying and make you stop going? I stopped for the exact same reason. Too many self-absorbed a-holes who think they’re the only ones in the theater.
ides of march ain’t bad when it comes to the future classic territory. neither is moneyball. and the most interesting of them all by the time the ball drops will probably be dragon tattoo…
they doubled down and bought extra in the midwest and south areas…….for Footloose? Do the dufus’s remember why this movie was so well received in the 1980s? It was because of the moral majority lock by Jerry Fallwell that had spread over the land – that music was bad and made you do bad things. Tipper Gore even endorsed adding those stupid ratings stickers that now not only go on music but on video games M for mature and V for violence. GMAB! Nobody cares about that anymore. Do the Hollywood execs think that there are whole cities where kids aren’t allowed to dance? That the mayor confiscates every Ipod, computer, xm satellite in the car, radio, alarm clock, that can spout off music? These Hollywood guys are typical idiots – I’m not going to say liberals – i’m just going to say idiots who think movies can deliver a message, liberate the masses, and then everyone goes and becomes politically aware – voila – Hollywood’s work is done. We’re not living in the 80s anymore you rubes. Nor the 90s. Nor the Bush years. We’re in the Obama years. How about movies regarding unemployment? Or the prices of food skyrocketing. Or the Chinese spying on us and we’re doing squat to stop it? That would be a good film.
Kay,
Nice try. The Chinese were spying on us the minute Bush took their money to fund that foolish ass war.
I couldn’t agree more.You took the words right outa my mouth!!
There were plenty of movies made in the golden age of cinema that stunk. As for the rest of your argument-move someplace that has an Alamo Drafthouse. People get bounced out of those damn theaters.
Blame yourself for sitting there and allowing it.
Last time I was in a theater and someone next to me answered their phone during the movie I gave them the choice: end the call or I’d put my foot up their ass.
They ended the call.
You can’t be made miserable unless you allow it.
I still don’t understand why studios don’t do a re-release! like the Scarface re-release (which is now going to be remade!!! OMG no!) or the Lion King re-release. Maybe Disney will show the way. Just throw some 3D on the old movie and re-release it. Don’t remake it.
They are incapable of producing any movies worth going to the movie theater to…the best they can come up with is Little Fockers -they found the way by changing one letter making it acceptable even for kids to be saying it…we can thank Hollywood (and Clinton) for the destruction of moral fabric, removing any sense of decency and honor….
Because god knows Clinton was the first man in power to have an affair. Just because your precious ears had to hear about it doesn’t make it any more consequential than it needed to be (which is completely unconsequential, with zero impact on public morals or policy).
Go complain about immorality to your church group. We talk about movies here. I SO wish you knew how many people in your congregation were having affairs and how many were closeted gays. That would be a fun time, watching your reaction, more entertaining than the Footloose remake.
And btw, the original was anti-religion used for suppression, dingbat. I just watched it two weeks ago. The preacher was the villain.
That was right on. I have been saying this for 15 years.
Now here is a voice of reason crying out in the wildernes!
I agree! While claiming that “this is what the public wants to see” Hollywood and TV ruined the moral in the world. Everything is so low and dirty you really cannot get something decent to watch.
The dumbing down of America we see it on the streets of Occupy you fill in the blanks “where is Mine Mine Mine” I got my trophy for doing nothing as a kid and I want it again NOW.
Clinton?????? (scratching my head)
I saw “Courageous” yesterday. It was AWESOME. Even my husband like it:)
I just had to LOL at the Clinton comment. I know we all want to..scratch that HAVE to blame someone for this Footloose remake. But Clinton? I personally blame this kid who works in the deli at safeway. Damn you Paco! why!!!??? Whyyyyyyy!!!!!
also The footloose remake like the 3rd horn of the Apocalypse?
You do realize that De Palma’s SCARFACE was a remake, right?
Personally, I’d love to see what Daft Punk or Arcade Fire could do with “Push it to the limit!”
I can’t believe they’re remaking these 20 year old films and basically adding nothing. I can take a remake if in some way they’ll have some type of different take. In the past, they remade films because the original was in black and white, still not a good reason, but maybe it’s because the film wasn’t seen enough. Or they’re remaking a film because they can add some new effects that weren’t availabe back in the day. The various King Kong remakes, for example.
Right now, they’re remaking ’81 Arthur, ’84 Footloose, ’83 Scarface, etc. And what are they adding to it just today’s actors. The fact is those films are widely available so there should even be less of a reason to remake them. It just equals stale.
Also with such a short window between when a film is available on DVD, there better be a reason for folks to actually leave their 60 plus inch HD/3D home theater systems just to see the film a few months earlier and the experience is not that much better. I want to see at least 100 million on the screen before I go to a movie in the theater, otherwise I’ll wait until it’s on netflix.
You have to factor in not only the relatively short time that a film is available on DVD, but there is about a month before that before a DVD quality copy of a movie is illegally uploaded.
In 2006, Step Up starring Channing Tatum was released into 2,467 theaters with an opening weekend of $20.6 million ($8,374 per theater avg)…the very next year Stomp The Yard starring Columbus Short was released in 2,051 theaters to $21.8 million ($10,645 per theater avg)
Now, who did the studios invest their money in to become a MAJOR movie star. Who gets “attached” to major projects and gets all the promotion? Channing Tatum, not Columbus Short…now why is that? Figure out the answer and you will have figured out why movie goers are not flocking to these films.
Heres what I think. I think that the same studio execs who are confused about why the industry is in such peril are the same execs who think its cool that the show Entourage plays rap and hip hop nonstop but have no black/latino people on the show, NOT even a black agent in Ari Golds agency, even with OVER 100 mill blks/latinos in the US…the same execs who collectively came together from different studios and decided to give Taylor Lautner $100 mill in checks before he ever headlined a major movie…the same execs who actually believe Nielsen when they tell them that 20 mill people are watching NCIS (i have NEVER seen NCIS nor have I EVER heard one person EVER speaking about an episode)…if 20 mill people are watching it, id like to think id come across SOMEBODY OUTSIDE of the industry who talks about it, BUT NO.
A former friend of mine is a studio exec…notice I said former…i had to extract him from my life because in all the dinners and lunches and get togethers we had, NOT ONCE did he ever say anything remotely interesting and so i finally had to end our friendship because talking to the moon is a lot more fulfilling than talking to him. Yet he had buying power for his studio…HIM…a man who has been in LA for close to two decades yet has never been south of Olympic or east of La Brea unless to go to Paramount Studios. All of his time was spent on the westside and when he went into the valley, it was to go to the studios in Burbank. How could execs possibly know what average people want when the only people they hang around are red wine drinking, cheese and olive eating, art gallery opening, $400 dinner tab sophisticated suits.
I guess what im trying to say is that the entertainment industry is ran by out of touch execs who have their own agenda. America told these execs that they enjoyed BOTH Channing Tatum AND Columbus Short, BUT the execs chose who THEY wanted to put their money in and for the millions who would have loved to see Columbus in better quality projects, they were left behind. So news like this weekend should no longer come as a surprise to ANYBODY as long as these out of touch embiciles are captaining the vessel.
i kept wondering why this wasn’t a hip hop remake. gang kills some guy at a club, powers that be crack down, underground movement takes hold to redeem the artform… duh. spend over 20 mil on xerox copy? so unhip.
I used to laugh at people like you, but not anymore. The number of manufactured movie stars thrust upon us these past years who just happened to be white guys with blonde hair, it’s a bit ridiculous.
Last generation’s A-listers came up by doing memorable roles in small films, getting cast in biggers stuff, and making an impact on the screen by connecting with audiences. Mel Gibson, Bruce Willis, Tom Cruise, Denzel Washington, Julia Roberts, etc.
But this past generation…. think of all the actors that kept getting great roles without any real audience demand for them for most (if not all) of their careers. Channing Tatum, Chris Pine, Sam Worthington, Ryan Reynolds, Orlando Bloom, James Marsdan, Ewan McGregor, Colin Farrell, Paul Walker, Sean William Scott, Karl Urban, Heath Ledger – what do they all have in common? None of them were ever bankable movie stars, yet studios pretended like they were and cast them accordingly. Every one of these guys was farmed and bred for stardom and they didn’t earn it. Some of them deservedly got noticed early in their careers, and some were lucky to be cast in giant movies as unknowns – but they all kept getting lots of work and molded into household names long after they proved nobody was going to buy a ticket just for them.
I understand trying to invest and breed movie stars. But why are they all blonde-haird and/or blue-eyed white dudes? I understand if market forces generate a less diverse pool of movie stars, but these people didn’t come from market forces. They came from agents and studio execs wanting them to be stars.
I agree with most of what’s said here although I would like to add that most ALL of today’s hollywood stars are what??? They are all kids of previous generation hollywood actors. It’s funny how Hollywood and he liberal elite attack the very same thing they practice in their industry…they are all a bunch of parasites on humanity. Lastly, real family oriented, value oriented movies such as courageous never get the recognition because they don’t promote some left leaning lead actor or agenda….
Huh? Hollywood is right wing you idiot. Why is there so much money? Capitalism my dear.
Because execs think that firstly, blacks dont go to the movies…and secondly, its difficult to sell blacks overseas…even tho the biggest musician of all time was BLACK (Michael Jackson)…the biggest tv personality of all time is BLACK (Oprah)…one of the BIGGEST movie stars of all time is BLACK (Will Smith)…and the greatest athlete of all time was BLACK (Michael Jordan)….so execs will continue to ignore the fact that the world desires diversity and doesnt care for skintone as long as talent exists and the execs will continue to push their own agenda by hiring the blonde haired/blue eyed actors.
Seems to me that blond haired/blue eyed guys usually get typecast as serial killers. Besides, you haven’t had real acting in movies since 1985′s Runaway Train. The best 3 films last decade in my opinion were The Fellowship of the Ring, Master and Commander, and Gladiator.
You still have 200 million plus Whites in the US completely disinterested in seeing an obese Mexican fill James Bond’s shoes. I won’t pay to go see some gay, half-White guy with no muscle mass replace Schwarzenegger as Conan. Hollywood ran out of ideas a long time ago. Movie producers/directors are afraid to make a great film because it could offend someone. As long as a movie offends White Goyim males it gets its stamp and seal of approval from the elite in Hollywood.
Who is the obese Mexican you’re referring to?
Your post is hilarious for its ignorance, BTW…
I am not in the industry, but am rather just your average midwestern, middle-aged, working male. I am not sure it is totally fair or appropriate to imply that Hollywood is failing because they are creating and forcing a bunch of ‘white’ movie stars on us. Personally I am sick to death of race always being an issue. You seem to be saying that the studios are doing poorly because a large demographic of blacks and latinos don’t want to see movies with white stars. Yet, conversely, Hollywood also seems to crank out tons of pandering, obligatory, black-cast movies.
I used to go to movies all the time, but lately I stay away. It has nothing to do with white or black actors and actresses. Instead it usually has to do with one or a combination of the following factors:
1) Boring, unoriginal films
2) Liberal agendas pursued in film
3) Remakes and reboots … does nobody know how to come up with ideas … I guess this goes back to number 1
4) Total lack of the wow factor anymore, even the movies that the studios try telling us are “blockbusters” seem to lack it.
5) I hate knowing that my hard earned money is going to support a bunch of pampered princes and princesses who have limited education, a sheltered social circle, and no political experience, yet seem to take any and every opportunity to grab a soapbox and tell us in fly-over country how our country should be run, while they live in their mansions and jet-set around.
If I am going to go to the trouble of fighting crowds and getting financially raped at the ticket booth, the movie had better be worth it. Otherwise I will just wait for blu-ray and take my chances there. I still get raped but at least it is in the comfort of my own home.
Oh, and the 3D thing was cool at first, but when they cram it in to every damn thing they make, even that gets a bit ridiculous.
And by the way, Ryan Reynolds is pretty awesome, so don’t be hatin’.
I agree with all your comments, but # 2 and # 5 really hit the nail on the head. The Liberals in Hollywood have totally turned me off!
I, along with plenty of others, refuse to support them anymore, I don’t care how talented they are!
I guess it hasn’t occured to you that you feel this way because you are, duh…. WHITE.
Mimi wins dumbest reply on the whole page. Excellent!
By using the word “rape” to describe the modicum of feelings you become barely aware of when your deadly world view is being challenged by people who are more evolved than you, you have lowered yourself even further. Your loose use of the word “rape” shows unequivocally that: either you hate women, or you secretly want to be aggressively buggered by a burly strongman.
Mimisatool wins for the stupidest reply on this thread!
And are we in the same world? What is this liberal agenda you right wingers keep on going in about? Captain America???!
It isn’t just blondes. The industry has been telling us for years George Clooney is a movie star. His box office receipts do NOT back this up. I know he’s been great schmoozing the press with his never-ending Clooney schtick, but most of his films tank. I love Ryan Gosling and I respect that Clooney likes to make intelligent films, but seriously, those numbers suck. Since when is opening with $10 million on 2000+ screens a respectable showing? If they want to make small, intelligent art house films I applaud that, but then you open on fewer screens and do a smaller roll-out. Let’s stop pretending these people are major movie stars. With those numbers Philip Seymore Hoffman should be eating them all for lunch.
Clooney has had some huge hits. You gotta give that guy credit for working his way up to stardom after doing so much TV and B-movies. I agree he’s NO LONGER a bankable star, but his current status as a super famous actor is well deserved. That’s not the case with any of these guys I listed. Clooney is like the seasoned veteran playing in the minor leagues who got called up one day and proved himself. All these other guys were like kids drafted out of junior high school and given million dollar contracts and endorsement deals before playing a single game in the pros.
“But why are they all blonde-haird and/or blue-eyed white dudes?:
Because only 15% of the population is black….it’s about the numbers. And, the studios don’t want to invest $100M into making some black dude a star then have him indicted for murder or drugs or to get shot outside a hip hop club.
Hi Ted…as far as i can tell, most of the actors/actresses getting arrested, indicted for DUI and drugs constantly are NON-BLACKS!!
Who makes the headlines for drug use and overdoses…Lindsay Lohan, Heath Ledger, Amy Winehouse, Anna Nicole, Paris Hilton, Mel Gibson, Nic Nolte, Keifer Sutherland, Charlie Sheen…need I go on.
Havent seen Will Smith, Denzel, LL Cool J, Queen Latifah, Sam Jackson, Morgan Freeman, etc etc involved in that mess yet so get an FN clue.
Funny that of all the names you mentioned I only knew of 3. Orlando Bloom, Colin Farrell, and Heath Ledger. The others I have probably seen but have no recognition of them. They are stars how?
Whats with your overt racism and intolererance?
Take your comment, do a search and replace to change your descriptions to black, brown, red, polka-dot…its pretty ugly.
Stop your hatin’ and find somthing else to do with your resentments and petty jealousies.
Geez.
Blond and blue eyed people have always had an advantage. The seem to be more pure, honest, clean, noble, whatever. It’s the same in business and politics and the news media. Other than the multiculti share of the jobs to ward off accusations of bigotry, most of the better gigs, higher pay and advancement go to fair haired, blue eyes, and preferably taller people.
Sadly, they are not necessarily gifted or smarter. In fact, they may be less resourceful and less capable if only because they have been deferred to all their lives. They have never been up against it. Life has always been good for those lucky good lookers. But maybe that’s why a lot of what they are in charge of is sooooo messed up.
That’s just they way it is. Get over it.
FYI, I’m a 6′ 3″ blonde guy with blue eyes.
To hereswhatithink,
You make a great point. The elitists who make the major decisions as to who gets bankrolled and who gets what role live in a bubble-a rich, wellfed, LGBT self-congratulatory bubble. The only opinions they entertain are the ones their sycophants parrot back at them. The only time they interact with ethnic Americans is if they happen to catch an episode of ‘The Great Food Truck Race’!
Keep up the good work.
This is an Onion post…right? The writer has never seen NCIS…that told me all I needed to know. And, who the hell are Channing Tatum AND Columbus Short?
Write this down. We want original. We do not care about skin color or rap crap. We want interesting, fresh, fun, heartwarming/breaking, frightening, or clever.
And, are you sure you dumped the movie exec…? Maybe he did the dumping…I know I would.
In the early 90′s the NAACP did a study on African Americans and how much money they spent on the entertainment industry. It was determined that blacks, at that time, spent some 3 to 4 billion dollars at the box office, yearly. That’s the Gross National Product of several Third World countries. Did the industry recognize this and say to itself, geez, we need to service this market. No. They considered it a ‘niche’ market and basically dismissed it. Now certainly blacks can blame themselves for continuing to spend money on an industry that treats them so shabbily. But what kind of business mindset doesn’t recognize profit possibility? Clearly, the film industry does, if you are not the right color. Your comment points out how really out of touch film execs are. They have lost touch with real people, and instead remain in a self-congratulatory ivory tower. So cry me a river if the box office is suffering. It’s their own fault for making stupid movies and encouraging the dumbing down of America. They also spend way too much money producing films and have priced themselves out. It shouldn’t cost a fortune to see a movie. And the exhibitors with their overpriced concessions, heart attack popcorn (really, they can’t offer air-popped and real butter?), and overly sweet soda, aren’t helping. Is it too hard to keep up with trends, coffee, tea, smoothies, etc? It’s annoying that these people are just complete blockheads. But not to worry, they’ll soon be dinosaurs.
You are right. But people are irrational so the execs will always choose blonde haired blue eyed crap actor Tatum over what customers want but also the black demo is irrational, why so much on entertainment? Make your own!
100 million black and hispanic? oh,…
My theater was full of movie goers and they were all seeing courageous some of them for the second or third time. Americans want real movies about real issues, they are craving the real deal, not remakes and rejects.
You can shout this information as loud as you can but the movie industry will not hear. The industry has been turned over to a reprobate mind. Maybe our society is also there. Courageous is one of the best movies I have seen in YEARS.
You make a good point. I would ad that those of us who still have jobs–and pay all the taxes, those of us who are still working while those who suck up what we work for are at movies, have neither the time nor the money for garbage.
Really good movies are so rare that they’re worth buying on DVD and watching several times. And then there’s always reading.
start a movie studio
“start a movie studio”…
Can’t. Hollywood has Washington in it’s back pocket and have things sewed up so tight that no competition will be tolerated.
Make a movie and just try to get it distributed to theaters – I dare you. I will bet you $1,000 that you are unable to get your movie – regardless how good and entertaining it is – in any theaters beyond the “art house” variety and only then if you’re connected to the “right” Hollywood type.
Yeah, there’s always some pollyanna who comes along with the ‘make your own movie’ scenario. These are people who don’t know how it all works. Lots have people have lost the shirts off their backs making a movie that is probably in their own personal vault. But I don’t care anymore because the industry is dying by their own reprobate hand. And I’m going enjoy watching them die.
Are you talking about self distributing movies? Independent movies get picked up by distributors all the time …
Absolutely loved Courageous. Cant wait for the DVD to buy it. Ill spend my money and my time sitting in a theatre for movies like this with a clean message.
Yes, it may be a great movie. But no movie star egos are in it and there isn’t any Hollywood/NY pretentiousness. If they can’t do segments on the view or any of the talk shows then there is no way to market it. Films like this are an enigma. It shouldn’t exist. Like Fireproof, a film film ignored purposely by the industry because they thought it was too parochial– and that does not vibe with their liberal brand. So the studios usually block films like this– Not buy them. kudos to Columbia/Tri-star though. They bought it and released it.
Does anyone know who the stars are, or who made Courageous? You will not hear of their names. Not until they sign onto a new film for the big studio conglomerates. Then you will see their names. And their next film will probably be a piece of trash, not to the fault of the filmmakers, but due to the studio dictating what they will pay for or produce under the picture deal.
The problem in Hollywood is far more complex. It isn’t just about writing better movies. Most of the battle in making a good movie is trying to make a profit while keeping the industry’s hands off of it. But the film studio system is so corrupt today, you literally have to sell-out if you want your work to be seen. And even when you are successful, the filmmakers become just “hired” names underneath the hottest celebrity. I predict the next film these guys will make will be lib-based, written for gay cops, stars Charlize Theron, and it will have “From the Director of Courageous” on the one-sheet. Everything is being fabricated. Nothing in Hollywood is real and genuine anymore.
I think the main problem is on the top–The 4 Int’l Conglom companies that spoon-feed us the Comedy Central-type content. They create stars like Colbert and Lieberwitz (Stewart). Next problem below that is the unions filled with talentless craftspersons seeking fame and fortune from the bottom up. Almost no one in Hollywood went to a film school. Actors are directing and writing.
Peter Greenaway wrote an op-ed years ago that I always had difficulty swallowing where he stated “Cinema is dead”. But today I understand completely, and that expression has since become synonymous with meat and potatoes.
It’s simple, in this economy blowing 15+ on lousy movie just isn’t smart. Add to that the article last week outlining how people of conservative mind set are basically boycotting hollywood based on the fruit and nuts who play make belive for a living shooting off thier mouths at the turn of every corner. Then you have a very dis-interested audience. Now real steel is a fresh topis with a good story line (thanks DW & Dis) proving once again that these two can produce somethign new and not the tired ol=d remakes the others are spewing out
Beyond the fact that I haven’t seen a movie advertised that I would spend money on,and beyond the fact that Hollywood is producing “stars” that are many times disgusting in their personal lives–the country is being slapped in the face by Sean Penn, Morgan Freeman,Harry Belafonte, etc. and the constant entertaining of and donating to Obama-I’d say that 81% of the country would just as well do without Hollywood.
Hollywood is producing trash junk–and trash behavior, and many trash actors. There is no place for Hollywood in my life.I’ll keep my money in my pocket until the leftists have moved to Venezuela.
I would rather sit, tied to my chair, and listen to Hank Williams jr, while clinging to my Bible for 24 hours, than see another trash movie produced and crammed down my throat by supporters of leftists fascist marxists.And I am not even a fan of country music or football.One day you will realize who actually holds the purse strings.
Where is the substance? Your audience is suffering under the very person that you continue to Hail and donate to. I am not stupid nor am I ignorant. I will not provide the financing of donations to one who continues with the destruction of our country and, with an industry that is responsible for promoting lies.
We are sick of sex,drugs,anarchists,nudity,violence in the slums, and the Mean Green Killing Machine. We are sick of the references to “republicans” as bad guys in recent movies. We like sophisticated comedy,spy movies where the good guys are American, and we love War movies where the Americans are the Heroes.We love Rambo.We love Clint Eastwood. Take my advice if you will, stop donating to Obama.He called us,the Americans,enemies.
Those who can, are using their movie money to finance the conservative movement to the WH. Remember, this is 81% of America.What happened to the philosophy of good results by marketing to your target? Your audience is into patriotism, wholesomeness,our heroes in Afghanistan,love for one another and religion, even the youth are getting into the action.
And now Anti-Semitism is on the rise. It behooves me to think that Jews love their money so much that they would finance anti-semitism within America. It is not the Christians,they are fighting your battles for you.It is the leftists Unions supported by the Democrats.
We know who has arranged this chaos, we know you give our ticket money to the Democrat Party. We will not participate in money laundering.You have a big responsibility in your industry. We will take you back if you live up to the standards that were set by the giants of Hollywood.
PS. Give us another movie like Shawshank Redemption,Bourne,Sense and Sensibility etc.etc.
I somehow have the feeling ladypatriot that you are the type of person currently teaching our kids that we won the war in Vietnam, like a kid from Tennessee recently told me he was taught in school.
“My country right or wrong” doesn’t work in a democracy because it’s up to us, “the people”, to make it right. It presupposes a bit of maturity beyond just tribal instincts and an honest look at some of the shocking things our govt or corporations (especially) do. What you consider a sickening “liberal agenda” is actually the attempt of those who take a hard look at facts to try to make those who refuse to (i.e., Hank Williams Jr, Fox news fans) or can’t be bothered aware of things we need to make right. Thank god for America, your ‘we’re the 81% majority” notions are another fantasy. Do tell how you got 49% of the vote, if so. What’s your source? Fox News? Or the Bible?
ONE HUNDRED PERCENT WITH YOU , SISTER
Ahh, Ladypatriot. So much bile, so little time. Setting aside the appalling grammar and spelling, not to mention the probability that the ‘we’ you refer to are the voices that yammer inside your head, your screed is also a fine example of the Teatard mind at work. Bitterness, ignorance, paranoia, and a seething adherence to a political philosophy founded upon all three.
Good luck with that. And by all means, stay home, and tied to that chair. We’ll do just fine without you.
Oh. One question. Did you misplace your Big Hollywood bookmark? That seems like more fertile territory for the distorted mind.
Agree with ALL of this. If you haven’t noticed, also, that the aging population is holding the money. Make decent movies and we’ll watch. In the meantime, we order the “oldies” but “goodies” from Netflix. Now THAT’s Entertainment. (NOT FILTH!!!)
Totally agree, ladypat. I haven’t been to a Harry Belafonte movie in years! The only thing I don’t agree with though is the 81% statistic. I did some fact checking on Fox and found that 89% of the country agree with people like us.
I’m also a big Hank Williams Jr. fan! I can’t wait for his upcoming biopic, Bocephus 3D. I also agree with you (and everyone else) who is so tired of these entertainers, Robbins & Freeman, spouting off about their political opinions. I too used to love Shawshank Redemption but burned my VHS copy in effigy when I heard from a neighbor all that stuff they said against the TeaParty on MSNBCommie!
Hey Hollywood! The only remake we want to see is The Passion of the Christ in 3D! (That way we can actually see the ascension into heaven. America needs a happy ending right now!)
Yes we need more movies from conservatives like Morgan Freeman, Matt Damon and Tim Robbins. Can’t wait for the next chaper in the Atlas Shrugged trilogy. too!
garbage in, garbage out
You do not remake classics. Especially with people no one has heard of.
Movies today have started using CGI instead of a good story with a plot.
Odd, Nikki didn’t comment on COURAGEOUS ($21M cum) – made by a church (the kind ridiculed in the ORIGINAL Footloose), without any actors (and I mean NO actors) with a budget around $500,000.
The Footloose article accurately talks of the identity of “flyover” country but explains much. A) if the target audience is teen girls, what is with the Greyhound publicity? Targeting only RUN AWAY girls? And the studio’s still don’t seem to get that for a market like Kansas City, there are actually more conservative “fly over” types in Metro LA. Like 40 times more. If you ignore the PEOPLE and stereotype the market guess what you get?
You want a real shocker? Look at the theater by theater grosses for Courageous.
Yes, teen males is a key demographic. But frankly, Hollywood is out of ideas. Relying on sex, violence and horror to con kids out of their allowances ignores two things. First, like a narcotic, you have to exceed the previous dose to get the same “high.” And there isn’t anything the big screen can provide that can’t be streamed 20X more by 4G from the web. Secondly,..well thirdly and fourthly too is Story, Story, Story. We are raising a generation of screenwriters who are truly uneducated and disconnected from the lives and nuances of “Real” people. And creativity (read non-remakes) comes from not just observing, but living it.
I guarantee you if every studio executive and writer cancelled his weekend at the buddhist retreat in Palm Springs and instead, spent it with an average US family (over 40% who go to church each week and over 75% who claim church membership) – they would be filled not only with fresh ideas for absurdities and drama of REAL life – but they would learn how to connect with their audiences better.
I AM NOT SAYING EVERY MOVIE needs to be religious, inspirational or even “family” orientated, but isn’t it interesting that box office ROSE 64% when marketed to Americans with “family” values)
Correction – COURAGEOUS budget was $2 Million
Correction on your Correction… You are both wrong. $1m.
IMDB states the film was $2m (estimated). All indie films made without distribution always picket $2m budgets. I know this because I know what these budgets are, and I know how it works. No one lists the exact budgets on IMDB at that level.
My guess is the film had a $800k-$1.2m budget on the high end. No way was this made for $2m and no way it was made for $500k. And they did NOT shoot in CA. Shooting in CA raises your budget tremendously. And there are also tax incentives. Some states give back 40-50% of taxes and labor costs. That means if a film hires 10 employees in your state, your state returns your tax dollars to the filmmakers. So you can start with a $2m budget on paper, but then the subsidies lower the negative cost (after they give back to the filmmakers/investors).
Don’t even think about making such a movie like this in CA. Los Angeles is the most expensive place to make movies in America now, and that is despite having a backdrop that looks like Tijuana, Mexico.
Courageous….best movie out there!
Stop making original movies and instead crank out poorly shot, poorly written reboots of tired ideas, start tanking at the box office.
Evidently deductive reasoning does not apply to entertainment executives.
Maybe the 99% should just say “fuck you” to the movie business while they all live in mansions and eat at the ivy while the great unwashed are supposed to fork over $12.00 a ticket for crap!
Just watching the trailer over the last ten days with a variety of audiences, told me immediately that Steve Martin paired with Jack Black and Owen Wilson is not going to work —on a variety of levels. The audience had no reaction whatsoever..It makes me wonder why films like this are even considered to be made.
I didn’t see ANY advertising for TBY until a month ago. Fox had no faith in this movie and it showed.
it’s true
HOLLYWOOD MAKES NOTHING BUT “CRAP” AND THE PUBLIC IS TELLING THEM THIS. HOLLYWOOD IS PASSE’.
Yeah, I don’t think anyone had any idea it was coming out this weekend or really what it was about. Three guys competitive bird-watching? Or what?
Watch any kid play computer games… the action is as good and plot comparable to what is playing down at the neighborhood theater. As any fan of the Great old movies of the 1940′s knows, Hollywood began abondoning good writing in favor of special effects a couple decades ago.
And the same can be said for TV.
What an awful weekend. Maybe Hollywood will learn remakes are DOA after FOOTLOOSE, THE THING, and the FRIGHT NIGHT remake all have failed to live up to expectations.
Looks like A BIG YEAR is going to do as well as Ridley Scott/Russell Crowe’s bomb A GOOD YEAR…ouch!
Even that’s a stretch. A BIG YEAR did 4 million on a 41 million budget, P&A not included!
It’s a bunker-buster.
People can’t spend money at the movie theatre when they’re barely making enough to get by. But keep sending those jobs to China. Maybe those guys can bail you out.
Oh, right. They make $3/hr and buy bootlegs. Good luck with that.
Fright Night was actually good though. I don’t think “remake” is turning people away, as there have been many critically acclaimed and successful remakes, but the concepts simply aren’t resonating with people. Sometimes movies come out at just the right time. Bad movies come out every year. So do good movies. There are plenty of good movies in the theaters now. There were plenty in July and August, and there will be plenty more in November and December. Comments section on this website are the exact same shit year after year.
THERE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN BAD MOVIES AND GOOD MOVIES. STOP COMPLAINING. EVERYTHING HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE SAME. People complain way too much. Yes, I am aware of the irony in complaining about complaining. I don’t care.
amen, brother.
Go to hell. The movies are getting much worse. Everyone knows it. You obviously have a vested interest in defending yourself. Good luck with your career, because everyone I know downloads movies for free, because they’re not worth paying for in theaters.
BitTorrents are the way of the future, the way of the PRESENT.
Teenagers now have never known life without the Internet. They all know how to rip movies, and you’re killing this business with your awful product.
Let’s see someone write a joke in a script that’s not about dicks and balls. Most of the screenwriters in this town have zero talent. It’s not all on the execs. Stop whining about all the great scripts that have been written. Most of them are just bad, bad sex jokes, with someone calling someone else a cocksucker. Bad Apatow copycat jokes. Show us some real talent, screenwriters.
That’s a pretty high horse for someone who pirates everything.
It also doesn’t make sense. If people are only torrenting movies that they wouldn’t go see in theaters, the business by extension wouldn’t be taking a hit. Work through your issues and get back to us.
Work on your reading comprehension. I said everyone I know steals movies, I didn’t say I did.
Why not me? Because I know they’re terrible. Furthermore, you’re extrapolating, and poorly at that. I just said they’re not worth it. That refers to a) The price of a ticket, b) The fact that you don’t know what you’re going to get quality-wise.
Would I rather go see Green Lantern, or would I rather steal it (if I’m so inclined, idiot) Well, I know it’s not made with an eye towards quality, so I’m sure as hell not paying 26 for my girlfriend and I.
Girlfriend — Don’t worry, you’ll find one, one day. Maybe she’ll teach you how to read with a critical mind.
It’s really simple. You know what drove me to finally start ripping music off the web? The industry! The industry manufactures bands, buys a song off someone they won’t give a record contract to, make the band play the song, the song hits, and people go buy albums. Upon arriving home, they eagerly unwrap the cd like an 8 year old on Christmas, only to find out that the one song that is worth a $#!t is the only good song on an album of 14 to 20 songs. The customer bites down on what they thought was Almond Roca, and finds out too late that it was actually an article recovered from the cat box that someone was patient enough to wrap in gold foil.
Worse yet, the customer (me) is out $9.99-$19.99 of money that was tough enough to spare in the first place. So I rip music. When I do find that one band out of 100 that grew organically, has it’s own sound, and is really trying to earn the money, I relentlessly search for it in local stores first, and if unsuccessful, go to the internet and BUY IT!
Just as there will always be crap music, there will also be crap films. Fortunately consumers have the added advantage of being able to download and preview films. When the people who run the industry put as much effort in making quality films as they do in making crap, people will show their appreciation in DVD rentals and sales. Until then they can just suffer the future!
-Oz
Michael…Valid attempt to deflect…but unsuccessful. Read the last paragraph of the guys comment…and get back to us.
Best comment on here. It’s about time someone called out the pathetic screenwriters working today. And no, I’m not bitter because I’ve made my money from TV and movies. But you nailed it – screenwriters think it’s funny to say “fuck” or “pussy” and that’s a joke. It is not.
Which brings us to the elephant in the room: Hollywood is just a big frat house now and if you’re in the frat – in other words you are friends with the people making a film or you have the right agent – then you are in. Everybody else, no matter how talented, is out. It wasn’t this bad 10-15 years ago.
The current screenwriters, epecially those who write comedies, are horribly, embarrassingly inept.
The comedies out the last few years haven’t been funny. You’re right about a frat boy culture which turns off female movie goers. The success of “The Help” should show execs you don’t have to have special effects, car chases, things blowing up. There are problems with the history in The Help, but it does have a plot and characters that bond.
Most women are offended by the attitude about women on screen. Usually they’re window dressing. If a man and woman are dealing with the same circumstances in a scene she’s more like to be in a bikini or have her shirt off for no reason to do with the plot.
Jokes in films are crude and unoriginal. If filmmakers can’t think of something they just have the male characters leer at a woman and make suggestive remarks to her or about here.
This is the 12-year-old mentality that filmmakers give us as plot. No wonder people don’t want to see this trash.
Remakes? Why? Footloose was a success because of Kevin Bacon’s charisma which overcame the fact he had a dance double. Did they even test this new guy to see if anyone going to movies was interested in him?
Now they’re thinking of remaking My Fair Lady with Colin Firth as Rex Harrison and Carey Mulligan as Audrey Hepburn. This will have a huge budget. Why? Just re-release the original. Colin Firth and Carey Mulligan are good, but they aren’t legendary. Do the execs think they can improve on Rex Harrison or Audrey Hepburn or George Bernard Shaw? Maybe if they added zombies at Ascot and a slasher at the ball? Who are these idiots that come up with these ideas?
Why not instead take that budget and make some original, low-budget, well written films that don’t need special effects. Just good writing, acting, and directing. Forget about getting people to see your film because it’s a remake, or has things exploding. Writing, acting, directing, originality.
You are so incredibly, unfortunately correct! Neither George S. Kaufman, Don Hartman or S.J. Perelman could get one of their screenplays green-lighted at
any studio today. The acned puke-brains in the audience are totally lacking in wit and appreciate comedy only of the “trip on your cock” variety, which is apparently all that today’s crop of comic screenplay writers are equipped to give them.
Retired Old-Time Screenwriter
You are correct too. The cronyism is far worse than ever. And don’t even THINK about talking politics unless they are the only allowed brand in town.
You can’t escape the fact that these are the screenwriters the execs HIRE. And a lot of writing is done by committee. The writers are giving them what they want to GET HIRED. It’s the people in charge that wouldn’t no their ass from deep centerfield.
“BitTorrents are the way of the future, the way of the PRESENT.”
As an active BT user since 2004 (right when the rebooted Battlestar Galactica came out), you couldn’t be more wrong. The USENET newsgroups are where its at now. There are still a few isolated torrent sites here and there, but they have nowhere near the bravado or exposure that they had back in 2006-2009.
I agree with the rest of your post, though.
People who download movies cos they say they’re too crap to pay for the a cinema ticket remind me of that old couple at the restaurant in Annie Hall.
The husband says “The food is crap here”. The wife replies “And you know what’s worse, the portions are tiny”
You are right, except that Usenet has been around forever and has always been providing the same access. It is just that it has become more popular in recent years. I have been known to come across the occasional Usenet copy here or there, but I also have an extensive DVD / Blu Ray collection numbering in the hundreds and hundreds. So I pay for my movies once they have been deemed worthy. There is nothing worse than buying the bullshit offered up through a clever trailer, which doesn’t represent the movie, then paying hard earned cash to discover you have been had. And sadly that happens more and more lately. Hollywood spews crap, and packages and promotes it well enough to lure us in, only to have us walk away wondering what the hell happened for the last couple hours.
As a working writer who is denied royalties when people steal or pirate films and TV shows over the Internet I can only hope the FBI traces your post, busts down your door and arrests you because you’re a thief, plain and simple. Pirating movies on the internet is no different than shoplifting or grand theft auto.
Oh, and if everything is so horrible and boring why do you go to the trouble of pirating it? Wait- save it for the judge.
A hollywood movie is a set of lobby one-sheets attached to an ad campaign..the actual “movie” is an afterthought. Ebert said that twenty years ago. More true today..
Nobody Knows Anything
As an actor, writer and sometimes director, I can say you are absolutely correct.
Gotta agree. I never go to the theater anymore for a movie unless it’s something I absolutely MUST see on the big screen (and until they make more Star Wars movies, Spidey or Superman, there’s nothing that’s essential for me). Noisy patrons, cell phones, light from phones when people text during the movie, feet on your chair, $13 a movie, for what? To see a crappy movie I can watch for free if I choose, after downloading it after it is released three months later?
Fuck Hollywood, fuck the music industry…I’ve put in tons of money to both over the years. No more, now I take instead of give, fuck them again.
I agree with Steven about obnoxious fellow movie-goers. Who wants all the aggravation? Furthermore, I avoid any that promotes a political agenda I detest, regarding such films as propaganda. I also avoid films starring individuals who promote political agendas that I find odious. Why support such POS individuals?
You are so right! I’m sick of the potty humor, it’s not even funny.
You torrent movies because you are a cheap bastard and probably wouldn’t pay to see a movie anyway so Michael is right, no impact on the industry.
Keep telling yourself that. I’ve never downloaded a movie in my life. I don’t know how. I’m explaining to you that people in college, they steal movies. Have I stolen music? You bet. I’ve dowloaded, say, 100 songs back in 2001 when I was 23, 24, and got a warning letter, so I never did it again.
But you’re a fool if you think it’s not affecting the business. You ever record a friend’s cassette tape, or VHS tape? Copy a song off the radio, burn a CD/DVD? That’s the same thing. It’s what’s happening now, as there aren’t enough good movies being played, so why waste your money? So some anonymous director can get a residual check? It’s a harmless crime if you’re involved in the film business, which 99.99% of people are not.
Ummm, are you kidding me. Everyone under the age of 25 BT’s films. The industry has no idea how many people under the age of 25 steal media. People are consuming more han ever before and paying for less than one tenth of it.
For example:
The average 23 year old female may pay once in 6 months to see a movie in theaters BUT it has to really seem original to get her there. She will probably stream/BitTorrent/ 9-10 movies in that same time span. So much for that highly coveted young female demo.
This is a fact. although I work in the industry, I’m not unaware of how young people ACTUALLY spend their money these days.
Unless you make better, more original films for WAY less money (and marketed more efficiently) Hollywood as we know it is in a lot of trouble.
“Everyone under the age of 25 BT’s films.”
I’m under 25, and I have NEVER “BT’d” a film.
It is not the same every year. The audience attendance is shrinking considerably every year, and all while the studios claim record sales figures (not accounting for the inflation in the market).
Let’s put aside the argument over remakes. I have far more issues with reality television than I do with remakes. If you haven’t noticed, movie theaters are deserted. Except for the token big tent film premiere. In addition the economy and the communities all over America are uptight and pissed off. And all of these protests and thugs seem to crawl from the woodworks when someone bitches about liberals or gov’t policy, so who in America wants to go out to see movies in this environment?
Furthermore, all these problems that have come to pass are obviously related to Washington D.C. The people are now seeing all the BS, and they are sick of it. Then they witness wealthy and powerful Hollywood Pros (i.e. Mass Media) shake hands and conspire with gov’t officials within these secure/elitist events far away from the public. That connection has become transparent, and the people are sick of it. When you look at gov’t and its stagnant self-destruction along with the self-destructive studios, tv networks, and celebs on both political sides rubbing elbows together, the big picture comes into focus and it doesn’t look good.
I think the world would be a much happier and prosperous place if you replaced 95% of Hollywood with the producers and directors not being hired to work. It’s like the old saying; “the best studio film deals are made at AA meetings”. But the expression has since changed to “the best studio film deals are made at Democrat Party meetings”.
Hopefully this crumbling box office trend will continue, and the big companies who are ‘too big to fail’ are actually allowed to fail (i.e. Comcast bailout of NBC -$600mil).
Power to the People!
yep, in a nutshell…normal americans are sick and tired of liberal propaganda disguised [thinly] as entertainment.
and then they double down by letting their ‘stars’ preach politics. its a recipe for failure.
there were no expectations to any of those movies. and you’re right, remakes like planet of the apes and clash of the titans were DOA! (except for the hundreds of millions in box office you idiot)
Not to be an anal ass but technically APES wasn’t a remake — it was an addition to a long-running franchise, and a prequel. Now, CLASH, I can’t explain at all — that movie slurped flying horse shit.
“I’m really concerned about how soft things are. Things were looking better during the day. But I’m sitting here looking at grosses and I’m concerned for the Industry. What’s worrying me are where are those hardcore movie fans at this point?”
If there’s any truth to this quote, that exec and his ilk can go to hell. Two of the top three are remakes and I saw them back in the 80′s.
Fuck off, Hollywood.
America — forget this notion of “hardcore movie fans” — but general normal Americans who obviously go to the movies think the output is garbage.
We need better scripts, better movies. The actors and directors are there, the scripts we are making and buying are terrible, no genuine humor. Even the stupid 13-year-old boys — not the smart ones — the stupid ones still know when a movie is bad, and they look at RT.
MAKE BETTER MOVIES OR YOU WILL KILL THE EXPERIENCE.
MAKE OCEAN’S 11, MAKE SUPERBAD, MAKE GOOD WILL HUNTING.
I get that those are great films, but stop with the sequels, remakes and adaptations, or we will all be killing this business for ourselves and future generations who should get the chance to make movies.
The vast majority of films score about a 39% on RT. That is unacceptable.
Hear, hear. Where is the TAXI DRIVER of today? Who is going to greenlight today’s MIDNIGHT COWBOY — and I don’t mean remake either of these. I mean, where is the originality? Just yesterday didn’t I read an article saying that execs had “figured it out” by making non-cultural specific giant action movies to turn a profit? That kind of thinking is the very problem. (and also doesn’t explain Green Lantern)
Hey Hollywood.
Grow some balls!
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The “Taxi Driver” of today is “Drive.” And nobody saw it.
WORD.
Just curious – how is the b.o. gross for “Drive” so darn low when it seems like everyone I know has not only seen it but can’t stop talking about it? Are LA-based 20-somethings the only people who showed up?
Uh, no. Taxi Driver is a biting commentary on a society in decay, and Drive is a stylish, ultimately meaningless art film.
That’s because TAXI DRIVER is a great film, but DRIVE is an over-hyped, boring, dull, pointless movie.
TAXI DRIVER was a great film with several of the bravest performances of all time. It examined social issues brought about during the upheavals of the Vietnam ere and successfully touched upon sexual depravity that failed in the two LOLITA movies. De Niro has never been equalled in being able to reflect interior pain. Comparing DRIVE to TAXI DRIVER is silly.
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Oh, I agree Taxi Driver is superior in many ways, especially if you’re talking about the subtext/themes of the story and how they related to the issues of the day. But I’m just not of the opinion that making political points inherently makes one film greater than another.
I’m an old, so I remember the joy, shock and wonder of seeing Taxi Driver, and Scorsese in one of my favorite filmmakers of all time. Obviously in a thematic sense, as you describe, Drive is a very different picture. But they’re both extremely stylish, tense movies featuring antiheroes and rely on elements of shock and hyper violence. I wasn’t intending to imply that they are attempting to achieve the same thing, nor am I ready to place Drive along with a picture that has thirty+ years to solidify its critical legacy.
Ultimately, my point is that Drive is not a remake and is clearly the work of a filmmaker who is a true talent. It’s shot beautifully, not one image is wasted. The editorial is a joy to watch, the pacing is precise and assured, and the sound mix is probably one of the finest I’ve heard in theaters this year. Great movies are usually polarizing and this one is no exception. Nor was Taxi Driver, as I recall. I just wish there were more movies that had such an assured sense of themselves as Drive. Movies that really attempting to be great – that I might look back on twenty years from now and think, “oh that was a great picture.” But I sadly don’t think a mass audience really cares or wants those, so I’m hardly surprised with what the studios choose to churn out.
They most certainly would greenlight MIDNIGHT COWBOY, especially if you add more gay sex scenes.
If you know your history, MC was released with an “X” rating. It was considered pornography in 1969. If they had the conglomerate studio/network system that we have today, the film would have never been funded or released because the political and moral codes back then were opposite of what they are today. The system today is big business. It is very very big– So big, it has bled into and controls gov’ts. The studios are anti-family, pro-gay, and pro-liberal. MC would easily be greenlit today and would most likely premiere at Sundance.
*Case in point, Clooney met with Obama countless times about Darfur. Recently Clooney came out with a puff piece about partying it up with Silvio Berlusconi posed as a meeting for military choppers in Darfur. Not more than a week after that puff piece, days after Obama parties with the South Korean leader, he announces 100 troops in Uganda and other African Territories. Does Clooney have anything to do with Obama’s surprise (if not shocking) news of an executive order to send 100 troops to Africa? I guess we won’t know until Clooney makes his movie about it.
MC was not consided pornography. That is NOT why it received an X rating. Pornography was denoted by XXX. You do not have your history or facts correct.
Honestly I am so tired of you people constantly trying to shoehorn your conservative bullshit onto the entertainment industry. You’re always taking swipes…Clooney this…Obama that…Clinton this. Yes, the entertainment industry is liberal, and thank God. Cons are not known for open thinking and creativity, except for appropriating the propaganda techniques of Goebbels, Riefenstahl, and old Soviet Russia and distilling them into Fox News and other vehicles of disinformation.
I say to all conservatives/GOP/Tea Party, if you don’t like it, don’t watch. PERIOD. Keep your bullshit politics off Deadline.
It’s pretty scary that these moron actors have such influence in our Government. I never thought the day would come that I refused to see a movie because a certain actor was in it. Send George Clooney, Susan Sarandon, and Sean Penn over there to keep the peace, hopefully they won’t come back.
SickOfConservatives,
I wish I could “fan” you!
Actually, Goebbels was influenced by the progressive Woodrow Wilson and his administration (who created the WH Press Club in order to have the media in his pocket).
Absolutely! Stop with the remakes! Make Oceans 11. Make…
Uh, wait a second…
I was so pissed I didn’t write out the full comment. While I tried to say that these are all great films (I didn’t say classic), I meant to say, Make your reboots, make your sequels, but the script to OCEAN’S 11 was about 140 pages of entertaining writing. It was fun to read the actual script.
Just like PIRATES was a great script, you do have to make these adaptations when they have a built-in audience, but a movie like EXTREMELY LOUD AND INCREDIBLY CLOSE is not going to draw people. No one wants to watch a movie about 9/11 right now.
The neo-cons have followed the link from Drudge, that’s why they’re here. Personally, I don’t think the industry is liberal at all. If they were, they’d be color,ethnic and gender blind and they are not. The industry just postures a liberal attitude so they can validate and push purient images. It boggles my mind what woman would want to be a serious actress today. The way women are portrayed is just ridiculous. The golden age of film had way better roles for women. And I’m way passed over the way kids are portrayed on screen: obnoxious, rude, smart-mouthed brats. And then you people wonder why the movie audience is rude and obnoxious talking/texting, etc. There’s enough porn readily available these days that soft porn doesn’t have to be intricately woven into every movie. If it doesn’t move the plot along, then it’s gratuitous. The mindset making these movie definitely has an agenda, but it isn’t liberal. It’s just lewd for lewd’s sake. They don’t know how to create an original idea like The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo so they have to borrow it from the foreign original. Instead, they make stupid movies, strung together with soft porn images. The thinking is to tear young men away from their computers where they surf porn and into movie theaters. I say let these men stay home watching porn and make better movies. “If you build it, they will come.” It’s really not that complicated. But you have to have bold visionary thinking in position to recognize origninal material. And you have to reality check the cost of making films. It just shouldn’t cost so much. They are pricing themselves out of the market.
You betcha I came from drudge… This story is about Hollywood struggling to make money. Drudge is wildly popular. Fox News is popular and profitable. Huh. Both entities are a better ‘chosen’ source for news than their competitors. Thankfully, we got back the house of representatives, before the proposed ‘fairness in the media’ law was passed.
Oddly, the hypocrisy of libs is astounding. Tell me I’m wrong but when Bush was in power, the outcry of libs about electronic surveillance, and how we are only in the Mideast for his oil buddies…but now since libs have been in power since 2008, we have stepped up surveillance, we now have incredibly intrusive security at airports, are now engaged in combat inside several more countries….oh and why Uganda and not darfur…oh well colony will still host a fund raiser…
Oh and there is that small thing about how Bush should read meranda to these criminals and not water board them….that went out the window when we just killed a flippin American on purpose! Was he not innocent until found guilty? I bet that guy wishes he would been water boarded by Bush….but what do I know?
Now all us idiots in fly over country will go back to our shacks and pick our nose….but just remember, Obama and schumer get much more money from wall street than ANY republican.
But we are the ones that need to keep our conservative BS to ourselves.
That must be it, mimi. (rolls eyes)
All this vitriol must be Matt Drudge whipping his minions into a frenzy by linking to here.
Forcing these unwashed masses have such strident opinions about the movie industry that most are boycotting because either the movies really suck and/or they feature really bad (and anti-American) actors.
This couldn’t possibly be the reason for the decline in Hollywood’s fortunes, could it?.
Naw. No way. Must be something else, right?
The movie industry as a whole should understand that for the last several years, more people in America identify themselves as Conservative over Liberal by a margin of over 2 to 1. (Gallup)
If you continue to produce a product that over half the people in America won’t buy, you can’t blame anyone other than yourself for your declining fortunes.
Thank you Mimi, you see through the rhetoric and get to the truth.
My two cents on movie going – I absolutely can’t stand to sit through 15 minutes of screechingly loud commercials before the five minutes of movie previews and then, finally, the feature. It’s pretty insulting to be subjected to a long run of commercials when you’ve paid $12 to see the feature.
Thank you Mimi! The crazy conservatives will find any forum in which to spread their psychotic progaganda. Go watch Fake News you losers and leave the Deadline Forums to people who actually want to discuss movies, not politics.
AMEN! And I’m not a Christian! I wouldn’t pay $6 to go see this s&%t, let alone watch it for $1 off red box. All the films I’ll pay $$ to see are made overseas or by independent producers.
This is pure and simple utter laziness and greed by ALL involved! Hollywood has just become another American industry overtaken by greed and controlled labor with sloppy output. Take a look at Detroit Hollywood…you’ll be looking in your mirror.
Very true, Hollywood is much like Detroit. Inept, arrogant overpaid and clueless executives, who think that their consumers are idiots and will buy anything they dish out, no matter how terrible it is. Also much like the auto industry those who are powerful in Hollywood live in an insulated bubble and have no idea how much they are disliked by everyone else.
The only differences are that no other country knows how to make blockbuster movies the scale of Hollywood, and that movies are more culturally-specific than automobiles; ie the average American is not going to watch Bollywood films every week, while they have no problem buying Japanese or German cars.
Australia has a fairly good, competent movie industry. Check out some of Russell Crowe’s early work. In one, he played a gay son of a man worried about how he will get along after the father’s death. Excellent. Can’t remember the name, unfortunately!
There’s also another one with Stacy Keach & Jamie Lee Curtis about driving in the outback ( truckers )& her hitching a ride (rebellious kid from U.S. Embassy personal ) while a serial killer is running around. Good suspense.
There are othes besides the original “Mad Max” series. Ck. out Gibson in “Tim,” a Colleen McCullough (“Thornbirds”) story. Again, human interest story with plot, conflict & resolution.
Well, I have an issue with your attack on “adaptations.” Let’s not forget that MOST of the classic Hollywood films were adapted from novels and stage plays. Remaking movies that were originally GOOD is where the head-scratching begins. Even the average movie goer now understands that studios (and their multimedia corporate owners) are only interested in quickly capitalizing on the brand. Obviously, this is no longer working as inexpensively or as quickly as they would like.
Sorry but you can’t go calling OCEANS 11 a “great movie” and expect to be taken seriously. The Sinatra original and the Soderbergh remake were both mediocre in their own way.
I charitably assumed the OP was using sarcasm to make the point that there’s no absolute metric for what’s a great movie. honestly people have been moaning about the death of creativity and the glorious past since we started to walk upright, it’s part of the human condition.
Intelligent comment. You must be one of those failed screenwriting, bed-wetting, 40 year old still living at home with Mommy losers.
And you are a troll, wannabe studio exec on deadline. Your point?
My point, loser, is that while you are eating hamburger helper with Mommy, the industry is falling apart and you and your loser friends are rooting for it. Get a job at Dairy Queen quick. LOOOSEEER!
“eating hamburger helper with Mommy” ~ what a great ooky-spooky script idea! HH with mommy as the meat! And Brazier cooked at the local DQ! Are you going to pitch that to yourself at your next meeting in the studio apartment of which you apparently are the executive – or can I borrow it and shop it around? Warren Buffett owns DQ so maybe he’ll finance it too…oh baby, you made my night – thanks!
If you are REALLY a studio exec which I doubt, it is easy to see why you’re failing since you treat your customers like this.
lol…
I think I speak for everyone when I say THIS is why I love the site. The vehement name-calling.
Bring it, people!
The top flick is a remake, the second stolen from an old Twilight Zone episode entitled ‘Steel’, and the third another remake.
I agree. Fuck off Hollywood.
Indeed. Find some imagination and grow some balls, and then maybe people will start coming to your films again.
It’s also stolen from a Simpsons episode called I, D’ohbot.
“There is nothing new under the sun.” -Somebody from around 300 B.C.
I believe that quote is from the Bible. Old Testament…maybe in Proverbs, not sure.
Actually, both the film REAL STEEL and the original “Twilight Zone” episode “Steel” are adapted from the same short story by Richard Matheson. Why can’t anyone seem to get that right? And if you actually see REAL STEEL you’ll know that it has 1,000% more heart, character, and story than those other giant CGI robots this year. Granted, it’s still a giant popcorn summer movie, but those are fun too. However, it’s not a rip-off or a remake of the “Twilight Zone” episode. Honestly. Widely divergent storyline and supporting characters.
“What’s worrying me are where are those hardcore movie fans at this point?”
This guy means the young men who used to see a movie several times over so long as it delivered big booms/major FX/etc. He doesn’t mean movie fans who will only repeat if the movie is good. Or movie fans who know that the original FOOTLOOSE and THE THING remake weren’t really all that good.
Oh and to answer the question “where are the hardcore movie fans”?
I’ll tell you: we’re sitting at home, not paying $10.50 to watch inferior remakes of FOOTLOOSE and THE THING, or a movie with Steve Martin, Jack Black and Owen Wilson looking at birds.
Give us a reason to go to the movies, and we might show up. Until then, keep turning out crap and you’ll get grosses like these!
Darn right! Neither me, nor my wife, nor my teenage kids want to see a single movie that’s out now. We have ample cash to hit the cinema regularly but remakes of 80′s movies and whatever the hell you call that Martin-Wilson-Black debacle is not drawing us or much of anyone else.
“I’m really concerned about how soft things are. Things were looking better during the day. But I’m sitting here looking at grosses and I’m concerned for the Industry. What’s worrying me are where are those hardcore movie fans at this point?”
If there’s truth to that quote, that exec and his ilk can go straight to hell. Two of the top three films are REMAKES. I saw them in the 1980′s.
The industry is a creatively bankrupt, severely myopic dinosaur.
Concurrent theatrical/home-streaming is inevitable. Why are theaters so scared? Just because people have a bathtub doesn’t mean they don’t go to public pools.
Have you seen the people who patronize public pools? A lot of puckered scar tissue and missing teeth.
I think the above comments are exactly right: Needless remakes and a bird-watching movie.
MONEYBALL is very good, DOLPHIN TALE is fun.
Theaters are so scared because they know that everyone except teenagers on a date would stay home. The screens have pretty much gotten just as big relative to where you’re sitting. And you don’t have to deal with the drive, the parking, the babysitter, the concessions, and most of all, the other people.
Theaters are scared because they know they offer a worse product. The *only* advantage they have right now is that the movies aren’t legally available anywhere else.
Stop … releasing … crap.
Now to be fair, it isn’t all crap and some really really good films do get released. But when the bulk of it is terrible, you get that reputation for being terrible. That becomes the meme.
They have yet to realize that gone are they days of throwing stars or explosions at us and we’ll show up. (There are exceptions to be sure). Movies are EXPENSIVE to attend anymore. But we will come … IF you tell us good stories well. But if you throw Tyler Lautner at us and tell us he’s the next big action star … well …
Audiences feel like they are being treated as though they are stupid. And maybe they are stupid. But if you make us feel that way, and lose our good will, we won’t give you the benefit of the doubt.
Also, STOP WITH THE GODDA**ED REMAKES!!!! We don’t care if some of them ARE good, but it sends the perception that 1 – you are out of ideas and 2 – think we will go to anything (i.e. are stupid.).
Even though it’s reviews are good, we really needed a Footloose remake? It is an irrelevant story in this day and age. (I saw the original in theaters).
Hollywood gives the impression that a bunch of middle management hacks, living in a bubble, afraid for their jobs, are making movie decisions. And that may, indeed, be true. But you have taken away the magic and fun of the movie. And THAT is why we have always gone .. and always will unless you keep stripping that away.
Hollywood just keeps shooting itself in the foot.
Story, magic, fun, actors who can act …. you get the picture.
This post really struck a nerve with me. I go to movies more often than ANYBODY I know, and yet I feel disgusted pretty much every time I go and sit through the trailers that seem to be designed to make me feel old and/or stupid. I want to see a preview and say, “Wow, I can’t wait to see that one,” rather than the usual, “Really? Didn’t they just make that movie last year?” or “Come on, don’t you dare spit in my face and tell people we made out.” Whatever that means.
I saw the trailer for WAR HORSE today, and even though I don’t really know that it’s going to be good, it had soaring music, pretty scenery, and seemed to actually BE about something.
It was followed by the JOHNNY ENGLISH 2 trailer, which ended (usually the stinger in a trailer like that) with the “Austin! That’s my mother!” scene from a Mike Myers movie from 1997. I felt like I must be an old useless vegetable, and not who movies are made for anymore.
And I think that’s what the poster above was saying: even though I wanted to see WAR HORSE three minutes before, the next trailer made me want to stay far away from any theater. A lot of things do, that frankly, don’t have to.
Totally agreed, Rish. Are the FOOTLOOSE and THE THING remakes offering anything as good as the originals or better? No? Then why the hell should we spend money on them? Not only is Hollywood not taking chances on original material, it’s using remakes as an excuse to deliver the same old same old–which is why audiences feel cheated and don’t want to see this shit.
And the irony of this weekend is is that neither FOOTLOOSE or Carpenter’s THING were all that good to begin with.
Carpenter’s Thing remake is absolutely brilliant – it’s just not a film that was ever going to appeal to a mass audience. Watched the Blu Ray the other night and was struck by just how well done it was.
Of couse, arguing about subjective art is pointless, but there’s ( even on a basic level, ignoring your views on the content) a fantasic demonstration of the craft here.
Then again, Americans are often a little slow on the uptake when it comes to recognising art in genre films. Sad but true.
Well, ‘Footloose’ was certainly icompletely diotic the first time around, and the new one seems to up the idiocy level. Why it’s even viewed as a classic in the first place is beyond me.
But that’s being a bit harsh on the 1982 version of ‘The Thing’. Compared to many horror flicks, it’s a damm near top notch piece of work.
Nice way to sum it up. And you’re right. While not every movie out there is crap, too many are, and they overwhelm the decent movies. They draw attention and they have people deciding to not even bother checking showtimes. Why bother? It’s all crap.
Movie-going is a habit in a way. People have to be in the habit of checking the show times, going to the theatre – if they get out of the habit of doing so, they’ll find other things to do. The movie business needs a movie that will get a broad spectrum of people interested in movies again and willing to make the effort to go to a theatre to see one.
Hope The Thing does good numbers. It wasn’t great, but it was pretty good. It deserves more credit than critics give it. The classic is still the best version, but this film was pretty fun
Yeah, the connective tissue to Carpenter’s version (sequel to this tale) was uncanny…right down to its art direction, lighting, and even the film stock. Except for its CGI transformations, this movie looked and felt like ’82…minus some of the sass and sizzle in the lead/supporting roles which made Carpenter’s version a classic worth rewatching. Not to put too fine a point on it, but even that movie flopped theatrically. So I see video bundling in the future for this one. Probably why they made it.
I use to go to a movie a week. Not any more, there is not one movie on this list I want to see. Not one. A remake of an 80s classic for no reason? Boxing robots? A story about politicians with the over-exposed, shoved down our throats, but still not a movie star Ryan Gosling? Brad Pitt…well OK, I love Brad Pit, but a movie with him and baseball and salary caps…sorry, just doesn’t cut it.
“How soft things are”? Is this guy fucking kidding?? Sales will remain soft, my friend, as long as studios put out crap. By crap, I mean things like uninspired reboots/remakes for starters. Or having ill-conceived 3D shoved down our throats.
Some in Hollywood suffer from the same delusion that affected the US car industry for decades. Put crap products on the showroom floor, then lament why no one is buying. Summer 2011 is a good example of this delusion. Sure, it was a great year in total. But take the final Harry Potter movie out of the equation and it was quite disappointing.
So the next time some studio suit complains about how revenues are down, ask yourself “why?”. Yes, there is competition from home theaters to tablets, but that’s not what is keeping people from the theaters. Put decent films into the theaters and audiences will come. Not a constant stream of remakes, 3D, or other uninspired nonsense.
Got it?
The revolution is happening quietly and hollywood hasn’t taken notice. Just like Itunes killed the music store, streaming media, pay-per-view, video on demand, bit torrents – and ticket prices have all led to the demise of the theater experience. New release streaming and direct to home viewing is the future of the industry, yet Hollywood hasn’t fully embraced it. IMHO.
The comparison to the auto industry is spot on. Fear and group think dominated the US auto industry for decades until upper management was FORCED to give control of the product BACK to the designers and creatives. What did we get? Inspired re-boots of classic 60′s muscle cars that were stylish and sexy, as well as lot of really great new designs that…shocker…people wanted to buy.
Hollywood can actually learn a lot from Detroit. But there needs to be a lot of house cleaning at the top or at least an admission that the creatives need to left alone more often.
That said…Whoever said yes to THE BIG YEAR should be fired. That film makes sense as a 3 million dollar indie. Nothing higher.
“Fear and group think dominated the US auto industry for decades until upper management was FORCED to give control of the product BACK to the designers and creatives. What did we get? Inspired re-boots of classic 60?s muscle cars that were stylish and sexy, as well as lot of really great new designs that…shocker…people wanted to buy.”
Yup–_exactly_. New models that had what made the originals great–and that added new, cool stuff of their own. But too many of those in power in Hollywood don’t know how to write/movie history and don’t have any originality–or they don’t know how to select people who can and do. The same problem is endemic throughout US business, which is one of the reasons the economy tanked and is still in trouble Financial institutions didn’t want to take risks/make money backing new ideas–they thought repackaging ways to resell money in different ways was being inventive.
Excellent analogy to the US car industry. “We made this. Buy this.” I would add that – like the auto industry – the film/tv execs need to STOP clinging to your ‘aren’t we’re so smart and clever and we know what you like’ attitudes.
Once the ‘failing upwards’ engine siezes, people will again return to the theaters (provided the cost goes down) and there will be fewer failed scripted tv shows.
“..the film/tv execs need to STOP clinging to your ‘aren’t we’re so smart and clever and we know what you like’ attitudes.”
Eheheh. The Steve Jobs “give the audience what you think they want” directive only works if what you are giving them is truly good.
The ‘Steve Jobs’ axiom can never work in the creative arts. It’s antithetical to the essence of creativity.
It seems most of the fresh creative energy in entertainment has gone to television. There are many excellent shows, especially “Breaking Bad”. When I was younger if someone asked me if I could do anything I would have said “make a movie” – now I’d say “create a series for HBO”. Movies don’t seem to be where the spark is right now.
Right about the 3-D being shoved down our throats. I took my two grandkids to see a movie – when we got there they wanted over $45.00 to see it – the 3-D version being the only one available….Who can pay that to take kids to a movie ? And this is in a small town in the South – not NYC….must cost $100 bucks there – , or more PLUS popcorn etc.
We left, without buying tickets….just too much money to watch crap.
“What’s worrying me is where are those hardcore movie fans at this point?”
As Nikki said, the releases this week suck. You’ve got two remakes of 80s films and a film about birdwatching. You can’t be surprised if you’re releasing sh*t to do sh*t business. The only real (subjective) winner is The Skin I Live In which is showing in a scant 6 theatres.
The only film that will do well next week is Paranormal Activity 3, which according to advance screenings and the Fantastic Fest screenings, isn’t very good. It won’t last past Halloween.
If studios are so worried about the missing movie fans, perhaps studios should lobby theatres to lower their ticket prices. Then again, why would they do that? Every year they’re posting record profits despite lower ticket sales. Audiences need a REASON to go out and spend $13 on a ticket and Footloose/The Thing/The Big Year are not good enough.
The hardcore movie fans (that’s me!) are at home re-watching movies from the past…which were GOOD, FUN, INTERESTING, and most of all…NOT REMAKES! I love how the higher ups think there’s a problem with us. Um…sorry…we’re not the ones making (or asksing for) crappy movies.
I haven’t been excited to go to a movie theater since the mid 90s…ugh.
The greater portion of ‘modern’ movies seem to me to be little more than self-congratulatory, yet ultimately self-abusing, propaganda of the sort Riefenstahl herself would be embarrassed to be connected with.
I would not cross the street to pi$$ on the producers of this dreck if they were on fire.
I wouldn’t say this weekend spells anything bad for the industry, it’s just a bad selection of new films. Nothing really exciting or interesting this weekend.
Movie years are like crop results……………..some years you get a bumper pick and then some years you get a fallow field.
2011 has not been a particularly vintage year is all. There have been years like that before and there will again.
2009 was the last year there was a good/solid crop of good flicks across the spectrum from blockbuster to smaller flicks for me anyway. But 2012 is looking interesting.
I agree with Esquire. Some years you have a great stream of movies, others you dont. This year has had a few good ones but most have been dissapointing, as this weekend proves. I mean seriously, did someone at Fox really think we would pay top dollar to see a brid watching film?
In the top three we’ve got a remake, a hackneyed underdog sports movie with a dumbass robot makeover, and a remake of a remake.
I wonder where things could have possibly gone wrong?
Two totally unwanted, unnecessary remakes were expected to carry this weekend and it didn’t work out?
Say it ain’t so!
Let’s see: you have two movies that originally came out in 1982, a movie that most people think is based on a board game that was popular in the 80′s, a movie with Steve Martin who hasn’t been funny since the 80′s and a movie about a dolphin.
Feels fresh to me. I don’t know why everyone’s so surprised.
My guess, longtime studio exec, is that your “hardcore movie fans” already saw “Footloose” and “The Thing” thirty years ago.
Really??? This studio exec is actually confused why people aren’t going to the theaters? It’s because they put out so much rehashed garbage, that’s why! For every original idea helmed by a capable director with a real artistic touch and creative vision, there’s about a dozen “reboots” and retreads. Commerce rules Hollywood and it’s killing itself. These studios are going to have to start taking chances on original ideas and support directors with unique perspectives on the material. They’re playing it safe with all these over-developed and poorly executed “franchises” and “tent poles.” Ugh, I miss the maverick producers, the real studio heads who had balls. I love movies so much and am privileged to work in the industry but it’s being run by inept decision makers who are bound by cowardice and the bottom line.
“why don’t people want to see our warmed-over reboots?”
I know hollywood is run by beancounters and lickspittles, but surely they must know that this strategy was going to lead to diminishing returns at some juncture.
“Where are the hardcore movie fans?” seriously? The ENTIRE line up of movies this week looks atrocious. So much so that I wouldn’t watch them for free. I’m not trying to be negative but the fact that Footloose is almost breaking 20 mil seems like a miracle.
Dear Hollywood,
Stop making dumb remakes and I will spend $ on movies. If I wanted to watch The Thing or Footloose I would rent it or watch it on TBS.
Sincerely,
America
Get the people who are in the theaters to stop texting during movies and maybe people will return to going to the movies. Why pay $18 to be annoyed by someone next to me checking their Facebook status?
Every time a remake is greenlit, our collective soul sinks further into blackness.
Collective Soul…good rock band, although they are a bit derivitive too at times. Now, where were we?
what are you talking about, collective soul was an uber-white alternative rock band, no blackness to their sound
Good point about the band’s lack of blackness, but they were heavily influenced by Elvis Presley at times (“Over Tokyo” from their Blender album) – and he was the ultimate example of a white entertainer profiting off other people’s blackness.
Now, where were we?
I echo what has already been saod. Enough with the remakes and lame films. There are thousands of writers and original stories out there. We dont need this crap!