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UPFRONTS 2013: The Overachievers 
The fast nationals for last night were delayed by Nielsen this morning … or was it sabotage at the hands of Fringe fans trying to delay the bad ratings news? The Fox sci-fi drama (1.1/3 in adults 18-49) was down 15% from last week to post a series low. That was despite its lead-in, Kitchen Nightmares (1.6/5), rising a tenth. You can’t blame slot rival NBC’s Grimm (1.5/5) for Fringe‘s misfortune — the fairytale-themed NBC drama continued its slide following the strong premiere three weeks ago, down 17% from last Friday. At 8 PM, NBC’s Chuck (0.9/3) was up a tenth from last week’s fast national, flat with the final. Dateline (1.4/4, 4.9 million) was up 17%. CBS’ A Gifted Man (1.2/4, 8.3 million) matched its soft performance from the past few weeks. CSI: NY (1.7/5, 10.2 million) was up a tenth and beat Grimm in the demo after losing to the rookie in their first face-off last week. Blue Bloods (1.7/5, 11.2 million) was down 19% in 18-49 from last Friday’s season high. CBS (1.5/5, 9.9 million) won the night in both 18-49 and total viewers. It edged in the demo Fox (1.4/4, 3.5 million), which finished second; NBC (1.3/4, 4.4 million); and ABC (1.1/3, 5.2 million). ABC switched from two hours of Extreme Makeover: Home Edition and one hour of 20/20 last week to an hour of Extreme Makeover (0.8/3) and two hours of 20/20 (1.1/3, 1.4/4). At 8 PM, Extreme Makeover was down 33% from last week. The CW’s Nikita and Supernatural held steady.
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The ratings for Fringe make me so sad. Such an excellent show shouldn’t be on network television where it will be demolished in the primetime hours. Also sad that people watch such crap instead of watching Fringe…
The whole thing just reminds me of Star Trek: TOS in the 1960′s on NBC. It was pretty much a ratings failure and was canceled after 3 seasons…despite it’s brilliance.
Fringe is more JJ Abrams hackery.
I don’t think JJ Abrams has much to do with Fringe, besides being an executive producer. He lets the head writing team he hires run the shows, typically.
I agree, great show and great writing. I hope it doesn’t get canceled and I have no idea why Friday night is such a bad night for TV.
Loved the show in the beginning, but i’ve been hoping for an ending even last season. The show is done creatively and Fox will definitely cancel it this season.
I can’t even figure out what exactly was the point where i stopped liking the show. Probably around the time they started flipping back and forth between universes and now Peter is in and out of time.
Sadly, I wish the executive producers would cut a deal with fox to make this the last season and go out with a bang.
“I can’t even figure out what exactly was the point where i stopped liking the show. Probably around the time they started flipping back and forth between universes and now Peter is in and out of time.”
That was about the time I bailed out, too. FRINGE wanted to be more than an updated X-FILES, and the ongoing story arc they started with wasn’t working. But the current one is way overextended and far more trouble to keep up with than it’s worth. Honestly, when are the networks gonna wise up and do BBC-type limited-run series? With those, you get the best of both worlds–complexity and a definite, satisfying end-point. There is only so long you can spin this kind of material out before it wears out its welcome (or its writers). And I would bet the cost of a failed wannabe-five-seasons series is more than it would be if that series was a short-run deal.
Agree, show went down the tubes when they started the whole alternate universe thing ( to me, just another evil twin deal). The story line went / has gone on too long. Now the show is just plain confusing. Kind of forgot the show was even still on. Love the cast, especially Anna.
Fringe ended last season with huge eps that moved the mythology forward, then came back from the break with no Peter and dull monster of the week eps. They should have resolved the Peter thing in the season premiere and invested in the two-universe storyline instead of treading water with stand-alones. They’re not servicing the characters and relationships, and losing the humor of the Walter/Peter relationship was a mistake.
Spot on.
This season is not good at all. Why has the writing gotten so bad now.
Once Upon a Time is better than the piece of garbage Grimm. David Greenwalt and Bob Greenblatt should have known better.
i like OUAT but LOVE Grimm. sorry. they’re pretty different shows, fairy tales aside i don’t get the constant comparisons. they’re on different nights too so who gives a s**t. that said i did have to DVR grimm last night because i was out . maybe they should put it on a different night? just a thought
What are you smoking, and why haven’t the cops arrested you yet?
i agree with Ben. Once Upon a Time is like Pushing Daisies. Hate Grimm. Fucking Awful show.
Grimm is awwwwwwfulll. Didn’t watch last nights, but I finally caught the week before with Goldilocks and the Twilight wannabe Bears… OMG that was one of the worst hours of television I’ve seen in a while. Second episode and it already looked as if they were on autopilot or phoning it in. Just the most generic straight-forward and unimaginative procedural possible. And if that was full effort, then those guys don’t deserve to be writing/producing network television.
I think Grimm is great. I don’t like procedurals. So it says a lot about Grimm.
GRIMM has some major casting problems–in particular its lackluster lead. Did NBC/the producers expect his good looks to carry the role or something? He’s like Christopher Reeve with no spark or charisma, and if you can’t invest in his portrayal, you can’t really invest in the show.
Oh I love Grimm! It’s my favorite new show. And how can they say the ratings have dropped when it’s only been on three times and the third time was at 2:05 a.m.?
They say the ratings have dropped because they HAVE dropped. They dropped between episode 1 and episode 2, and then they dropped again because episode 2 and episode 3. Do you understand now? As for the show airing at 2:05, it might have done so where you live, but in the vast, vast majority of the country, it aired in its regular slot. Also, Grimm sucks butt.
Grimm is good, but it shouldn’t be on up against Fringe; the two show are cannibalizing each other’s audience. Putting Grimm at eight and Fringe at nine means they don’t have to split the genre audience.
While i’m not as negative about Grimm as the person above, it really is very formulaic. It’s just Fringe with these creepy Grimm characters every week. Instead of chasing a new sci-fi problem, they chase these creepy characters doing some bad thing each week. I’m not surprised by Grimm’s downfall as we’re already seeing Fringe fall apart. The first episode of Grimm was promising, but then you started to see the type of show it was going to be every week and it’s just difficult to watch. I fell asleep during the most recent episode and could barely finish watching it. Some killer bee nonsense….
Once upon a time is at least very unique. Fairytale totally flipped on its’ side.
I hope the makers of Fringe arrange some sort of end date as was done with Lost so that at least fans can have some closure rather than facing an abrupt cancellation
Things just keep getting worse ratingswise for “Fringe” & that is a real shame. I think it will rise from a 1.1 next week,because fans know it’s the last episode for quite some time. Last night’s episode was truly awesome & well done. Like I’ve said before :”Fringe” is an amazing program that requires its’ audience to actually think -unlike all that reality television that is saturating tv nowadays. It blows my mind that more people are not watching “Fringe”,but,enjoy this season fans-hoping for the best,but,fearing the worst. Hopefully,”Fringe” goes out in style with one hell of a finale,or,-if a miracle happens we’ll be blessed with one more season.Either way: enjoy & treasure each episode guys. Thank you.
So very well said and I couldn’t agree more.
The old school Network TV has been dumbed down to match the dumbing down of US education. There’s just too much science-thinking on Fringe for a typical anti-intellctual bred US citizen to handle.
Remember, over the past 40-50 years tens of millions of US citizens boasted on how they avoided the dreaded math/science classes in hi school and also for those who went on to college.
Afterall, the best weapon of mass destruction in the hands of the rulingclass (the 1%) is your mind.
Oh good lord no. Grimm is way better than Once Upon A Time. I’ve found OUAT to be disappointing.
Sad to hear about the Fringe ratings. Is that taking DVR numbers into account too?
Ask fanman84
Grimm is better than the piece of garbage Once Upon a Time. Once is incomprehensible and isn’t even in the same league as Grimm.
See I can do that too.
Troll.
What about the DVR numbers for these younger skewing shows? Surely a lot of this audience records Fringe and Grimm instead of watching them a Friday night. Can we find out what those numbers reflect?
Except for Live+SD and Live+3D, DVR numbers don’t really matter to the advertisers.
I agree with Ben, Once Upon a Time is much better produced than Grimm is.
Well sad it see Fringe ratings going down. About 98% of the crap on Friday night is Crap! Fringe is about the only thing on that is not total Crap Friday nights. O well they can the good stuff and keep the crap on.. I will not need cable TV soon. No big EEE. I got my DVDS Laser Disc. VHS and Block Buster.. Be well all. And rock on! Best way!
Love Once Upon a Time. It is the next Pushing Daisies.
To those who asked:
Networks don’t take into account DVRs, if watched after the first night.
Once Upon a Time is a family friendly show that has wonderful writing by a couple of Lost writers. And episode 3 was a big improvement over the pilot.
ONCE UPON A TIME is solid storytelling. Lesser known talents could’ve really screwed this up. Been awhile since I’ve seen a myth story like this not turn to grade a cheese. They handle the flashbacks really good…not missing an emotional beat in both worlds at the same time.
I think it also helps that we’re seeing a lot of unknown faces. Hope it gets better.
I heart Fringe. Please keep on the air…
Ive been watching Fringe since its premire on fox. Its been getting bad ratings ever since it was moved to a Friday night. Its already been pre-emted because of the world series basball. You are not giving a chance leave fringe alone and cancel some of these stupid reality shows that are really dumb to watch. As for Grimm I like the stories because they dont follow the fairy tales that I grew with and besides the age that you are getting you ratings from are wrong I am 57 years old and I like fringe, grimm and once upon a time. So start adding a more expanded age group you idots you run the networs because you are stupid.
Ben’s right, Once Upon a Time is a unique take on Snow White. Grimm is just boring cop procedural.
Fringe is a boring show with an unappealing cast that jumped the shark a year ago. Why it’s still on the air is the only mystery.
And it jumped the shark a year ago by… how? Easy to reach conclusions w/o anything to support it, isn’t it?
I agree with those above- it’s a shame that Fringe has been relegated to Friday nights. It really is so much better than a lot of the other stuff on the air these days. And if we can’t get one more season, at least let if finish the year and have some kind of series finale.
Um… I didn’t reach a conclusion. It’s called an opinion.
Yeah and a misguided one!
Is that your best comeback? Talk about semantics… it doesn’t change what I wrote. It’s easy to reach conclusive opinions w/o support. Like if I said you’re an idiot w/o saying why. (Before you go and get bent out of shape, I’m not calling you an idiot, but just making my point). You obviously don’t have any reasoning otherwise you would have offered it with your otherwise enlightening comment.
I can’t vouch for boring, but I agree with you about the unappealing cast. That guy from Dawson’s Creek is the worst actor on primetime – I’ve never seen anyone more wooden. How he managed to get this role is beyond me.
If you don’t like John Noble as Walter, then you’re smoking crack.
NBC is seriously getting from bad to worse with this new management structure, but we have to understand that these shows are all ideas of the previous regime and the current brass were stuck with these committments from the idiots that produced and green-lighted these shows way back when. NBC needs to clean their entire primetime slate off and come up with shows people are actually going to watch and to stop focusing on what the network execs think will work, becasue 90% of the time, those shows instantly fail. Playboy Club, anyone?
I don;t know about Awake, but Smash might have mass appeal.
The previous regime was not responsible for green-lighting these shows, the current regime was — in fact, other than ex-Studio president Angela Bromstead, the same braintrust (Vernon, Lauren, Laura, etc.) is shepherding these shows to their doom with their brilliant insightful notes.
The new regime under Bob Greenblatt had only shows picked up by the old regime to choose from.
Not true, among other spec scripts he bought, BG bought a Steve Gaghan script and ordered it to pilot. And as everyone at NBC knows, he was directing development and programming from behind the scenes in the waning months of Zucker’s lame-duck tenure. Not to mention, he and his brain trust have been shaping every frame of every one of the programming disasters on the network this fall (I say “programming disasters” because the shows’ quality is quite apart from their appeal to an audience — these shows might be very good, I don’t know, but what matters is what the audience thinks).
As for Smash and Awake, so far we have only the opinions of “paid patriots” to go on. The audience has yet to render its judgment.
Then how are awake and Smash so good because according to your estimation, Laura Lancaster should have ruined both shows by now.
The irony is that Playboy Club was much better than Pan Am. The knives were out on Playboy for some reason.
Pan Am is much better overall than Playboy Club (tho probably headed towards cancellation anyway). The “knives” were the same as always – shitty ratings, which is all a shitty show deserves.
Sad to see Fringe’s low ratings. It’s one of the few primetime network dramas that I watch. The future looks rather bleak for it to be renewed. FOX really shafted this show by putting it on Friday nights at 9 PM while it’s primary demographic audience is out getting stoned, loaded, and laid. Great show and poorly promoted. Shame on FOX.
I love Fringe. I really hope it does not get canceled. It does feel like a Showtime or HBO show. I love Dr. Who, Eureka and Warehouse 13, so I am a Sci-Fi fan. There just isn’t much smart, and fun Sci-Fi.
I wish the rating would include downloads and on demand views. I don’t know anyone who watches regular TV anymore. We watch it all on demand, Hulu, Netflixs or “other” methods, minus commercials.
Unfortunately, that is the problem. What the ratings are really about is who is watching the commercials during those time slots. TV programming always has been about providing a place to deliver advertising. I love all of the sci-fi shows, too. I wouldn’t be surprised if a larger percentage of sci-fi fans watch shows via these alternative mediums. –a fellow whovian and fringe fan
Unfortunately Fringe went off the tracks with the Peter disappearing storyline. Fringe is my favorite show but you have to admit when a mistake has been made. I hope they can salvage the show but it seems the former writers of Lost have pulled the new Universe trick out of the hat once too often.
I have to agree with your assessment about the storyline with no one recognizing Peter and no one really helping him. Every story is about relationships and they just annihilated all of the major relationships within this story, as Peter is at the hub of everything.
Damn! I love Fringe… Can’t believe they’re ratings is so low.
What makes me sad is that I could have been watching Reconstrucion now, but NBC picked up Grimm instead. They could have had at least one more viewer than they have now.
Not really because I wouldn’t be watching Reconstruction.
I’m sorry, but HAHA. Great comment.
FRINGE just continues to get better while its audience gets smaller. Such a shame. FOX needs to WAKE UP and push/advertise the show MUCH MORE. They’re really not doing enough and it’s withering on the vine. This is the type of show that the network should hold high as the jewel in their crown – they need to show they’re proud of it for what it is – one of the smartest, most creative shows on TV. C’mon guys, TRY HARDER with this one!!!
Although the alternate universe thing was getting on my nerves and the making of Peter’s character having so much importance, I love the writing. I do like the two different Olivia Dunham characters. The show should have longer episodes and on a channel that appreciates it. SyFy should acquire it. Actually I think the show is too smart for most people. Blade Runner and 2001 are the best sci fi movies ever but most people don’t have a clue what they were about so you don’t see that style of writing very often. People these days want to be told what is happening every minute of the show. Just look at Criminal Minds. They tell you every step along the way what is happening and what is going to happen before it does. Now that is boring. Let me use my imagination sometimes.