Credit Suisse’s Spencer Wang says that his review of independent audience data shows that Viacom has a real problem on its hands — it isn’t the victim of a possible Nielsen snafu, as Viacom CEO Philippe Dauman has charged. The analyst cut his ad-growth forecast for Viacom’s current quarter in half, to 3%, and shaved 4 cents off his earnings-per-share estimate, to $1.02, after he concluded that “Nick has lost viewership share to the Disney Channel.” Wang doesn’t let Nielsen off the hook completely. He says that Nick’s audience is really down vs last year by mid- to high-single-digit percentages, not the mid-to-high teens that the ratings service reports. What accounts for the drop? Wang doesn’t buy the thesis that Nick viewers continue to watch its shows but on Netflix, which had 140 programs from the kids’ network in 2011 vs 80 last year and 28 in 2009. Most of this year’s additional Nick content went to Netflix in February, but the ratings drop accelerated in October. He recognizes that the overall audience among children 11 and under is falling — it’s -4% in October and -4.8% in November. Still, ratings at the Disney Channel grew about 10% in both months. That means “some shift in viewer share within the children’s demo” accounts for Nick’s losses. But this isn’t just a blame game. Viacom’s the loser because Nielsen ratings still determine ad rates. And based on the ratings company’s data, Nick is delivering about 1.3M viewers, not the 1.6M Wang estimates it promised advertisers in upfront market sales. That’s significant. A 17% drop in Nick’s ratings this quarter would translate into a shortfall of about 3,000 spots, which he says is about 14.3% of its total inventory. After factoring in the higher prices the network is charging in the scatter market, Wang says Nick’s ad revenues are probably down 9.3% this quarter — not up 8%, as he had predicted. As for 2012, Wang says that he is “giving Viacom the benefit of the doubt that an influx of new original programming on Nick witll help address ratings.” Dauman told analysts this week that he’s “frustrated” by the situation but “next quarter we expect to see stronger ad sales growth because we won’t have that issue” with Nickelodeon’s ratings.


Perhaps the 11 and under kids are jumping to Disney, because Disney does not give them kids stuff in the formative years only to feed them programming like Teen Mom, Jersey Shore, and Crotch Kicking when they become tweens and teens like Viacom does at their teen focused network.
Yeah, that seems the most logical explanation.
I hope you can sense the sarcasm.
Yeah, I know when I was in the 11-and-under demo, I always chose which shows to watch based on what was happening on other networks owned by the same parent company. I hated “Crotch Kicking” back then, so I started a boycott with the other third graders to really stick it to Viacom.
We wanted to send those corporate fatcats at Viacom a message: “We may be eight now, but when we get to be teenagers we want wholesome family entertainment! Because that’s what teenagers want!”
What does Spongebob have to do with Jersey Shore? Nothing.
Disney has seen ratings growth because they are on 24/7. Their highest rated shows are on after Nickelodeon switches to Nick at Nite.
..and don’t paint Disney Channel as some wholesome kids net, they are a 24 hour product selling machine. They have been The Muppet Movie channel lately.
Nick had forgotten it’s past. It was once a fun channel that people of all ages could watch. The story telling in their shows might have been juvenile, but it was fun. Today the storytelling is less than juvenile and the animation is poorly executed.
They need to look at what worked in the 1990s and bring back those series (new episodes). And look at changing who their target audience is. Maybe it’s time to dump the younger children and focus on those that grew up watching the network.
There are now millions of adults that grew up watching Nick. And they have children with whom they want to share the older series with. BUT they also want their kids to have the ability to play a part in these shows. It would be a smart move for Nick to bring back their live games, bring back Double Dare, All That, You Can’t Do That On Television, Salute Your Shorts, etc. And stick to the original concepts and even production values. Don’t try to change them or “improve” them. Bring back the original production teams and include some of the original casts. And look at classic animated series as well; maybe even series that were originally on other channels such as Pepper Ann (ABC). Look for the truly fun programming.
And then cancel some of the poorly executed series that are being produced today.
Thank god you don’t run a kids channel. “Dump younger children”- great strategy!
The stuff on Nick now is far more sophisticated than anything from the 90′s. Have you seen the new Kung Fu Panda show? The animation is near-theatrical quailty.
Watch TeenNick to see the old 90′s stuff. I think you’ll remember things differently, those shows were pretty crappy.
The problem is that Nick still sees itself as a children’s network. They have other subnetworks that target those demographics. And there are a lot of other children’s networks now competing with them.
Some of the shows might be more sophisticated but they also have some really bad story lines and writing. Supja Ninjas (sp) for examples. Really dumb. And young people are not dumb.
There were some wonderful shows in the past. The writing might not have been the best, but they had a sense of adventure to them. Nick tried different things and worked hard to set themselves apart from all the other networks. They do not do this anymore.
Your an idiot 90s nick was 10xs better then this uncreative less variety shit. They used to have a huge variety of cartoons and shows that were great. Now we get a awful new spongebob, shitty movie adaptation, and a fab boy band. It can’t even be compared. That is why the ratings dropped
Very few of Disney’s show are produced by the same team of producers, directors. Diversity, most of Nicks stuff is produced by one person, Disney owns everything, but, the writers, directors, and producers are different. Icing on the cake is Disney shows can be watched by the whole family, ratings for adults are growing with shows like Good Luck Charlie, and the movie last Friday night, hitting almost broadcast networks numbers for total viewers.
Disney is on a roll.
“Most of this year’s additional Nick content went to Netflix in February, but the ratings drop accelerated in October.”
- Couldn’t the answer simply be that it took a while for viewers to discover the content on NetFlix and then hit the tipping point in October. I know my family only discovered Yo Gabba Gabba on Netflix recently but it’s been there for a while.
Do you really think kids consider Viacom’s overall programming before becoming a fan of a Nick show? I can almost hear the kids now, “I’m not really a fan of Big Time Rush, because Nick’s sister co., MTV produces shows that depict people in a not-so-positive manner” – unfortunately for Nick, they just don’t have nearly as strong a development team that the D. Channel does – Gary Marsh’s team has always had the superior edge and it certainly doesn’t hurt that the Disney “machine” is the very best at exploiting brand power
Not having watched Disney much, I don’t know if it has the same problem as Nick – which is that it is mostly nothing but repeats. It’s to a point where a new Victorious or ICarly is touted as a major event. Kids may just be tired of the endless repeats. Also, is it possible to be Spongebobbed-out?
Teen nick for example, actually has some pretty decent programming
More numbers and rhetoric than a house full of useless economic studies.
Let’s get to the source: content content content
For the love of all that is holy, bring back Legends of the Hidden Temple!! FUN for all ages to watch and a learning experience of historic events.
The Nick culture has lost BOYS. This was always it’s strength against DIS, but now that’s gone. Nick also refuses to see that this generation of tweens LIKE their parents and want them active their their lives. Watch any Nick series and you still see the same Gen-X sensibilities from 20 years ago that make fun of adults and parental figures as idiots or their completely invisible.
Oh, and the culture hates male executives. There hasn’t been a senior male exec at Nick since Herb.
Look at the diverse make up of the DIS Channel execs and you’ll start to get a picture of what’s really wrong with Nick management.
The problem is simple: there is only one Dan Schneider and one Spongebob. Those are the only reliable ratings generators that Nickelodeon has. Spongebob is a massive hit but has been over-used. Dan Schneider’s shows are genius and always get monster ratings, but he’s just one man. He can’t carry the entire network on his back. If you took Spongebob and Schneider away from Nickelodeon it’s safe to say that Nickelodeon would go bankrupt.
Sorry, but I think you’re all missing something here:
Cable bills, and the disconnect/churn rate.
I can’t speak for anywhere else, but in LA (Time/Warner) Nick is on a higher $$ tier than the Disney Channel.
I know, because we dropped down a tier after the last rate increase, losing Nick in the process. My kids still catch some of it when it’s free on Video On Demand. But now they mainly watch Disney.
This stuff really is price sensitive.
I don’t know about now, but if they started making shows like Rugrats, Angry Beavers, Hey Arnold!, Doug, CatDog and well you get the point, I don’t think they’d be seeing this issue. Instead they have Zoey 101 and Victorious or whatever it’s called.
Ridiculous. I’ll tell you what’s wrong with Nickelodeon’s ratings: they make crap shows and the spirit of adventure, fun, and experimentation which USED to motivate their show choices has been replaced by cynical calculated decisions designed to sell garbage to kids.
Their biggest hit EVER, SpongeBob SquarePants, was a complete accident. They picked up SIX episodes of SpongeBob on the same day they made the decision to pick up 100 episodes of Cat-Dog. That’s the genius level of development taking place at that network. Lest you say “oh, that’s was 10 years ago, things are different now,” you’re kinda right… the idiots who made decisions like that been PROMOTED. Margie Cohen is now VP of Programming, but wouldn’t know a good show if it punched her in the face, and Cyma Zharghami, the CEO, doesn’t understand that kids don’t like to be force-fed safe, overprotective pablum. She’s never met a kid that she couldn’t talk down to or insult their intelligence.
They would NEVER pick up SpongeBob SquarePants if it came in the door today. Worse, they have LOWERED their pay to writers & creators over the last decade (despite making fortunes), and would attempt to cheat the SpongeBob creator if he walked in today, driving him elsewhere.
These complaints about Nielsen are hilarious… why hasn’t EVERY channel with kid viewers suddenly plummeted by an equal percentage? I guess Cartoon Network, The Hub, and The Disney Channel and Disney XD are all bribing Nielsen to keep their numbers high?
No, this is all the result of a CEO who has sucked all the money out of development and programming in order to pay himself $161 million in 5 years, and who has promoted unqualified dummies into programming and development positions at his company’s premiere network. Fire Dauman, fire Zharghami, and fire the dummies below her, and MAYBE you can pull this network out of its free-fall.
I think it’s that Disney is on a roll. Recently they’ve created several live action shows that are working for them: ANT Farm, Good Luck Charlie, Jessie, So Random (yes, it’s a retooling of an earlier show), Shake it Up and now it looks like Austin And Ally could do well for them also (based on their sneak peek numbers). Nickelodeon is only airing Big Time Rush, iCarly and Victorious. Its newer shows (Supah Ninjas, Buckett and Skinner, The Troop) didn’t clicked for them and so they removed them from airing except sometimes on their Nicktoons or TeenNick channels. So if you’re a kid watching Nickelodeon, there are only 3 live action shows airing on their network right now and that’s not a lot of variety. But at the root, I think Nick’s problems are twofold: 1. They don’t have a set schedule. They’re always changing around when new episodes are airing (is it Friday or Saturday night?) whereas Disney has a more set schedule and they offer new stuff throughout the week, not just Saturday and Friday night. 2. Disney introduced a family comedy into their schedule (Good Luck Charlie) that brought parents to viewing. Now that there’s a show that the parents don’t mind watching with their kids, they are more likely to switch on that channel (Disney) when their kids want to watch television. Eventually more kids get used to watching more Disney regularly and the Disney channel does better. At least that’s my two cents. I could be wrong.
I actually think you’re right on point and I also agree with the person who earlier posted that one of the main problems with Nick’s live action shows are that they predominantly come from the same production group.
I agree wholeheartedly with Sam. Plus, Disney channel airs new episodes of their shows almost every week, not two to three months like Nick does. Nor does Disney channel spam their lineup with a cartoon on a daily occassion, like Nick does with Spongebob.
The big problem lately is Nick only premieres programming during two times of year; summer and school holidays. You also never trust their TV listings as Sam says; what might have been correct only one day ago can change in the blink of an eye, so you’re startled when a new episode of “Victorious” is replaced with a repeat of that godawful “Supah Ninjas” because some programming executive blinked. Too many repeats, and way too many marathons when the network has a 30 year programming library they can use to easily fix these problems.
Another factor; too many of these Nick shows are so buried in inane “shipping wars” between fans that instead of focusing on plots, the writers for these shows have to throw in some kind of “Seddie”, “Cam”, or “Trob” bone in to keep those idiots pacified that it ruins plots (not to mention the rushed writing of some of these shows).
The brand lost its sense of whimsy and its “kid-first” ethic – as a result, it became indistinguishable from everything else out there.
Disney Channel is on a roll in the past couple of years, since 2010 they’ve had “Shake It Up, Good Luck Charlie, Austin & Ally, Jessie, A.N.T. Farm, Phineas & Ferb, Fish Hooks, and Gravity Falls” plus hit movies like “Lemonade Mouth, Let It Shine, Frenimes, Radio Rebel, The Suite Life Movie, Shake It Up: Made in Japan, Good Luck Charlie, Its Christmas” and they have made the network a success, with some missed like “So Random and Cody 9″. Nickelodeon has only “Victorious” to fall back on, Big Time Rush ratings are slowly decreasing, “How to Rock, iCarly, Bucket & Skinner, The Troop” They’ve all either ending or have been canceled, and “Victorious” is following right behind. All they would have left in 2013 is the 5-6 “Victorious” episodes left. “Big Time Rush and Spongeball” cant support you anymore. Disney is winning now. Dan Schenider is the only person at Nick who seems to make good shows, but in 2013 were only gonna have “Sam & Cat” plus Nick only shows episodes like twice a week the rest is just Spongebob 6 hours a day. Unless you change Disney will rule once more. “Wander Over Wonder” and “The Wizards Return, Shake It Up: Quit It Up, Jesse: The Movie, Marvel Take Over, and etc.” Disney has many things planned for the new year and Nick has what “Sam & Cat and Swindle” Youre losing it bad Nick Disney is obviously gonna win.