Diane Haithman is contributing to Deadline’s TCA coverage.
At today’s contentious TCA panel on 2 Broke Girls, creator/executive producer Michael Patrick King defended the comedy against continuing criticism that it traffics in ethnic stereotypes. The heated exchanges left King disappointed by the end of the session, when he said he arrived thinking the panel was going to be fun. As when the show came on the air, the questions mostly centered on Asian character Han Lee (Matthew Moy). “I’m gay. We put in gay stereotypes — I don’t get offended by any of this,” said the producer during the panel with stars Kat Denning and Beth Behrs. “I find it comic to take everybody down.” A questioner weren’t going to let him off that easily, asking if being part of a marginalized group gives one license to stereotype others. King shot back: “I would say it’s about being a comedy writer. It gives you permission to be an outsider and poke fun at what people think about other people.” King bristled at further questions about whether CBS entertainment president Nina Tassler had specifically asked King to “dimensionalize” characters beyond the stereotypes. When pressed, King acknowledged Tassler had used the word “dimensionalize” but said: “The characters are dimensional. And they are seen in segments of 21 minutes; you are limited in the amount of dimension you can see.” To his questioner, he added heatedly: “I will call you in five years” to see if the critic would find the characters fleshed out.” While denying the overuse of ethnic stereotypes, King did say he was proud that after the first three episodes of the series, the Han Lee character has only been the butt of short jokes, not Asian jokes.
King was also called upon to defend the show’s broad humor — it has become known as the show that loves the word “vagina.” “Our show is a big, ballsy comedy, but it has a bigger heart than it has balls,” he said. Asked whether “ballsy” humor is appropriate for an 8:30 PM show, King said: “Let me correct you, the question is, is it appropriate to 8:30 on CBS in 2012? 8:30 on CBS in 1994” would be a different story, he continued. He added: “I consider our jokes classy-dirty, highbrow-lowbrow. If the show existed only in naughty jokes without pathos, I would be unhappy.”
After the session, King said he was surprised by the criticism. “I came here thinking it was going to be a blast — about fun, not this skewed viewpoint,” he said.






Why do people get upset when a show is not written to their taste? There’s a ton of other stuff to watch. Say what you will, 2-Broke is resonating with a lot people in mid-America. I believe that primetime sitcoms, for the most part, aren’t really designed for Hollywood-showbiz-types anyway.
It’s a sitcom for christ sake – its supposed to be a little theatrical and tongue in cheek. This is not a dramatic exploration of the depth of character – its supposed to be funny. We laugh at the absurdity of stereotype, which does not perpetuate it.
We should be applauding this show for creating roles for marginalized groups in general, including women. The fact that this show is known for saying the word ‘vagina’ is a very, very good sign for female comedic actors everywhere. And how many highly rated, mainstream shows can you name that feature any asian roles, or comment on Asian culture in any manner? Exactly.
If the great success of this show creates more roles for marginalized groups, then this show is fighting the implicit racism in our industry, which is far more dangerous than the odd Asian joke.
“We should be applauding this show for creating roles for marginalized groups in general, including women…”
Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!! Yes, Chinese actors should be thrilled they get to play shouting Chinese restaurant waiters! African Americans should rejoice because people are writing gang bangers for them to portray! Hattie McDaniel, we hardly knew ye!
Actually, Matt’s character OWNS the restaurant…and Garrett’s character is a retired jazz musician who is a cashier by choice; in fact, his character appears to be one of two who are actually in the restaurant by choice and not need…and wouldn’t we all love to know why?…and by-the-way…they just won the People’s Choice Award for FAVORITE New TV Comedy…congratulations cast/crew/writers/production/direction…you ROCK…
I would think that “marginalized groups” would prefer not to be featured at all than to be portrayed as offensive, one-note stereotypes.
Playing stereotypes is NOT a step forward. Just ask Hattie McDaniel.
As for “vagina,” how in hell is reducing women to nothing more than endless jokes on their genitalia, a “good sign”? Because more actresses can now play versions of what men think women are like? We already have that. It’s called porn.
Worst of all, Two Broke Girls’ use of rape as the basis for jokes is beyond the pale. I stopped watching after two episodes because I quickly realized there was NOTHING for a woman to celebrate about the existence of this show.
*Good* comedy doesn’t need excuses.
Wow, I honestly can’t believe how many commenters LIKE this show. It has become almost unwatchable! Now, I watched the pilot and REALLY liked it. And I think the first 2-3 episodes were very strong and funny!
But then they brought on ALL the writers from Will and Grace and the humor on the show went right into the toilet. And I LOVE offensive humor – Chelsea Handler is my hero – but the writing and humor on this show is Low-brow, predictable, baseless, and completely inane and unoriginal.
I actually like to pause the show before the punchline hits and see if I can come up with the most obvious line possible – and then BAM – that’s exactly what comes out of Kat Dennings mouth. And btw, I have had a horrible crush on Kat Dennings for years, but they really make her look fat on this show and she’s not.
I don’t care about the Asian sterotype jokes – I care that the show is unoriginal and flaccid (a word they have used umpteen times already). Shame on them for taking a GREAT pilot and ruining the show in 10 episodes.
I enjoy this show — it rings true to modern young women experiences in McJobs with McBoyfriends and the shitty economy. Also love the horse & raw sex talk. Really surprising and shockingly funny.
But does the Asian guy have to me emasculated, subhuman and with a “ching-chong” accent to be funny? Of course not. I swear I’m watching “Mr. Magoo.” Is this “M.A.S.H.”? This is MPK and the network’s taste in East Asians – invisible most times, pseudo-white but exotic when female & sexually in play, asexual when male (Sammo Hung in “Martial Law”). Look at the little Flower Drum East Asian gals on “House” and “Allen Gregory”: “I obedient, child-like but very a-smart. No personality beyond robot-like good-girl behavior that is neither realistic, an expression of character or funny.” But at least the net can add some Asian stats to the tally.
Then there’s the jive-talking ex-pimp-type played by Garrett Morris. Garrett Morris who was on “SNL” for years. Garrett Morris who sings opera like an angel. Garrett Morris who could, given the success of the show, do something more. Ugh. MPK, you do a disservice to him as a veteran artist.
The Latina thug girl from the thrift store episode, the grasping Arab women at the pop sale, etc. Giving the flyover states what wets their whistle, eh?
The women leads are the Trojan horse so MPK and Tassler can spoonfeed racist propaganda. No guilt, no responsibility, no taste, no class. I wonder if it’s their nasty way of kowtowing to the network’s diversity agenda. Tongue-in-cheek with eyes rolling. At least the actors get to pay their mortgages.
No news there.
Does MPK actually even like women and telling their stories? Or is he making hay out of this cuz he can’t do stories about his own “outsider” identity? He sounds like a bitter aggressive nitwit when he struggles to answer questions about this at this forum.
Out. Of. Touch.
I’m sure he has his own struggle in Hollywood’s diversity box but he could do better.
I dig the show. It’s got a rough-and-tumble warts-and-all warmth about it that you won’t find in the crisper/more clinical writing of Friends, etc.
Sure, Han gets a pretty graceless stereotypical mauling on a regular basis. So does the posh white chick, the hardscrabble urban warrior princess, the wacky-backy African-American DJ. If it’s crude at times, at least it’s even-handed.
Sorry he didn’t enjoy the questioning, that blows. But he should stick to his guns on this great show.
you guys ever meet any first generation immigrants? People speak like this character. And Matt Moy does an amazing job at this, he is not like that in real life. what’s wrong? I don’t see the problem, it’s realistic.
It’s probably one of the best love stories on TV right now, but a great number of people seem to be missing the fact that one woman totally completes the other. They make a great couple, even if they don’t realize it, either.
I miss Valerie Cherish.
Decent show. If you’ve watched Two and a Half Men the past 10 years, the humor is nothing new. They lean pretty hard on the word “vagina” but that’s about it. I personally watch for a) Kat Dennings’ titties and b) Beth Behrs in tights, but that’s just me. People are always gonna find something to be outraged about. If 2 Broke Girls is too lowbrow for you, watch Downton Abbey.
“I would say it’s about being a comedy writer.”
I would say it’s about being a lazy writer.
I’ll admit I chuckle at the show, and it does have some humor, and some heart. But generally I find the characters (except maybe Kat) to be caricatures. Oleg the cook, Han, the rich boss, all seem overly cartoonish.
Not attacking the show, but it seems pretty obvious. Oh, and I’m not offended by any of it.
Let me try to put this in a language King can relate to: Bullshit. Just as I love the way lazy / bad writing is defended these days as “edgy” and “timely” in such a way that it puts the offendee on notice that he doesn’t “get it,” I love how writers and producers point to the calendar when someone dares call into question something like a pilot (!!) that feels the need to include two jokes about male ejaculate being mistaken for clam chowder. (I can the see “dirty” part of the “classy dirty” formula King’s going for. Which is the “classy” part?) I know, I know: “We’re-Just-Reflecting-What’s-Out-There.” It’s 2012, not 1994. Blah, blah, blah. And yawn. Sorry, the “But-Mom-Everybody-Is-Dressing-This-Way” position is as tired as it is bogus, as immature and lightweight as the material it tries to justify. Sadly, it’s all part of a “heated” debate that aint really a debate at all, since it pivots around non-starter stand-taking words like “appropriate” rather than invoke real questions like “Where’s the writing?”
i can’t read this post without envisioning a bitter ex writer dramatically air-quoting every other word. too funny.
i miss Valerie, too – singularly the best character on t.v. in years
as for Two Broke Girls. this show jumped the shark with the addition of the horse. pathetic
I LOVE THIS SHOW!
This is the funniest comedy on TV.
I love the girls and the entire cast.
Lighten up.
I hope they have continued success for years to come.
I think we may have some jealous people making comments about a very successful producer who is very talented.
This show is still on my DVR, on the fence about whether to stop watching it or not. I like Kat Dennings and I especially like the whole will they or won’t they with her and Nick Zano. But I have to agree with most of the commentors on how backwards the minority characters feel on the show. The problem isn’t that the race jokes are offensive or politically incorrect, the problem is they AREN’T FUNNY. And Han’s accent is ridiculous. It’s actually as cartoonish as the middle-eastern stereotypes were in Sex and the City 2. I don’t get it. Sex and the City was a great show. It was funny and groundbreaking. In a word, 2 Broke Girls is “eh.” And I’m a young female viewer. I’d expect way better from King and personally, I’m glad he got the third degree from the press. I just wish for once a writer wouldn’t use the comedy defense, especially when their jokes aren’t funny. I’m guessing Lea Routledge will have a response to this, but she’s the personal assistant to Garrett Morris, so she has a financial interest in this show doing well.
Agreed. I love it. My friends love it. My boyfriend loves it. This show speaks my language and that of my circle of friends. The two girls are extremely likable and great actors. Personally, I’m really not a multi cam fan. I respect it, but haven’t really connected to it since the days of friends and will & grace. I think MPK uses a very current language, I think he pays attention to pop culture and says out loud what everyone is really thinking–today, in 2012. The play on words is for sure taken to a new level, but it’s not easy to do, it’s a task to spin those phrases line after line. I think the writers and producers work very hard to bring you to laugh. And I can’t say enough, those girls — they just work. Can’t help but love them. And MPK saying “talk to me in five years”…brilliant.
Personally, I hated the show. Only saw the pilot but that was enough for me. Kat Dennings had no comedic timing and the rich blonde girl character was so annoying and unlikeable. As I said, I hated this show and still do, its just terrible.
It’s weird nowadays that you can’t criticize a show without someone trying to call you out on your criticism. If you hate the show and don’t watch it, you’re accused of not bothering to give the show a chance and if you hate it and do watch it, you’re called an idiot for watching a show you hate. Can’t a guy just hate something because it’s terrible? Just saying.
8:30 on CBS in 1994 would be a different story, hmm? I’ll have to check the first 2 seasons of Dave’s World on DVD and compare.
like the old adage..dont like it dont watch it..if it doesnt bother the actors then let it be..its funny and crude just the way we like it..
As a gay man pushing 60, I’m sure MPK has endured his share of intolerance. He’s taken plenty, and now he’s dishing it out.