Here’s more ammo for those who hold the still-controversial view that digital video services pose a major threat to conventional pay TV. Netflix says that the 20M subscribers to its streaming service in 45 countries watched more than 2B hours of movies and TV shows in last three months of 2011. That would make Netflix the 15th most popular TV network in the U.S. — ahead of FX, HGTV, and History Channel — BTIG analyst Rich Greenfield says based on his back-of-the-envelope calculations, including the reasonable assumption that the “vast majority” of the streaming subs were based here. What’s more, he figures that in homes that receive Netflix, it would be the second-most-watched TV service behind CBS. “With Netflix viewing at these levels, it simply CANNOT be all incremental” — meaning that some of it comes from people who spend less time time with traditional TV — Greenfield says. He adds that “Netflix streaming usage is exploding and is far, far bigger than traditional media executives give it credit for.” For example, he notes that Time Warner CEO Jeff Bewkes recently said that Netflix is probably the 50th most watched network.
Consulting firm Deloitte offers additional evidence today indicating that digital video is a threat to conventional TV. Its annual “State of Media Democracy” study of consumer media usage shows that 42% of consumers say that they streamed a movie from the Internet in the six months leading up to last fall, when the survey was taken. That’s up from 32% in 2010 and 28% in 2009. In addition, 22% watched a TV show from a free online service last year. The bottom line: 9% of the 2,215 people questioned said that that they recently canceled their pay TV subscriptions “because I can watch all/most of my favorite TV shows online” — and another 11% said they’re considering doing so.


When my Satellite service runs out at the end of Spring, Netflix is at the top of my list for how I will watch shows in the future.
Tired of all the others: DirecTV, Dish, Cable.
Who needs ‘em?
Currently enjoying last season of CALIFORNICATION on Netflix Dvd. I like watching 2-3 a night when I feel like it and skipping it when I’m too busy.
I decided that in order to save money, it was cheaper to pay an early cancellation fee to Time Warner Cable and just use Netflix streaming. Couldn’t be happier, I get to watch what I want, when I want to. And I get to try out new shows and if I don’t like them after a few episodes I can drop it. Who needs cable?!
You can’t watch what you want, you have to choose what is currently available in their streaming window.
Good luck finding quality programming……all the time.
-RnsW
“Good luck finding quality programming……all the time.”
With the pitiful state of television (and all entertainment, in general), I’d say ‘Same to you’ if you think paying for TV service will help you with that quest for quality programming… At any time.
There are other options besides Netflix for online and non-cable needs. I haven’t had cable in 2 years and just quit Netflix because the quality of their programming offered in their streaming category has gone in the gutter compared to what it used to be. Now, I use Over-The-Air TV and Hulu for my TV needs. Any films that I want to see out of theater, I usually juggle between Blockbluster, RedBox, iTunes, and Amazon. Quality programming can be found if you look at all of your options.
Sidebar – When Netflix calculated their totals for this, was international distribution of domestic TV properties incorporated? Because it should be given the global tallies for the Netflix numbers. Just my two cents on providing numbers that are complete and accurate enough to make such a bold statement.
The future is coming…
The future is always coming.
It’s what the future does . . .
My first thoughts as well. I knew that netflix was doing well, but honestly this is kinda shocking. Especially since a year ago people would look at me like I was talking a foreign language when I mentioned “Netflix Streaming”.
dropping off my time warner cable boxes today, then raising a glass to say good riddance to my cable. thanks for the fleecing, the shitty picture (did one program ever play without a dropout? even one?) and adios to the hours on hold. personally, i liked the adelphia guy that went to prison better than the current thieves.
Why pay separate fees for cable, premium, HD, DVR, etc. when you can get what you want immediately for one monthly fee to Netflix? If Netflix would just expand its streaming library to more current, popular TV series, they’d get even more subscribers. Between Amazon Instant and Netflix, there’s more than enough content to justify watching these services instead of regular TV.
I’m sure Neflix would LOVE to get the license to stream current popular series. Right now the producers aren’t playing ball.
Netflix–the company that uses content other companies make so they can stream it. I hope the production companies get a big cut from Netflix. The channels that actually produce the content are the ones who should be making the money. If they don’t get it via cable and satellite tv, they’ll have to get it from whoever streams their content. If Netflix gets too popular, I wait for its price to consumers to soar, too. It’s inevitable.
I see this more as price discovery. Typical channels have started to price themselves out of the market and many people are starting to show that they will put up with old (Netflix) or limited (OTA) content at a reduced price then they will for a package “deal”. The best way that cable/satellite/typical media to compete is to start offering a la carte pricing on their products. The producers can easily offer this even if the satellite and cable companies balk through their own outlet or specialty subscriptions using portals like Hulu or Youtube. There is no reason why a potential ESPN customer who would be willing to pay $10 direct to Disney over Comcast’s internet pipes is being told keep your money and watch OTA sports for free because we want you to also pay for our competitor Oprah’s OWN channel.
Netflix has become a member of my household as well. The networks and cable stations need to air programs that are truly captivating. You can only watch so many hours of reality/competition programs before all the manipulative tricks become painfully apparent. There are shows that I still watch network/cable for: The Daily Show, Colbert, and will be watching Downton Abbey, Breaking Bad and Walking Dead when they return. The news networks have been devolving into a strange combination of “COPS” and “The View,” and I can’t watch them anymore. I used to work with CNN Headline News on for HOURS back in the 90′s, but I now use NPR for my main news source. Whoever offers GOOD programming, that’s where I’ll go. Non-streaming TV will become nothing but ESPN and FOX News copycats. No thanks.
How do you people watch stuff on netflix when it isn’t even in HD? And, their library isn’t even current. I hate cable and satellite, but netflix isn’t the answer — yet.
It is HD. Get your facts straight.
Not all of it is in HD. Get your facts straight.
A lot of the content is available in HD.
Netflix is great for catching up on past seasons rather than buying the DVDs.
Veritas,
A lot of the content is in HD now.
“If Netflix would just expand its streaming library to more current, popular TV series, they’d get even more subscribers”
They certainly would, but HBO et al are not stupid enough to undercut their own business model by letting Netflix undersell them. That’s why I still can’t get all the old HBO series I want to see – I still have not seen The Sopranos! – via streaming, so I’m stuck with DVDs for now.
scifi_fan: subscribe to HBO for a couple months. This gives you access to HBOGO, which is HBO’s online library of almost every HBO series (including The Sopranos). Watch to your heart’s delight and then decide whether or not to keep your subscription.
Do all of you work for Netflix?
Sounds to me like
i don’t work for netflix, but despise time/warner. is that so hard for you to comprehend? (was gonna add, “you idiot?”, but clearly that would be unfriendly.)
I don’t work for or belong to Netflix. But Time/Warner can truly suck it. (pay $12/mo in LA for ‘antenna cable’ and that’s all they’re getting out of me)
Cancelled cable months ago and Netflix has been a good substitute so far. In fact, I’m finding more shows of better quality at more convenient times.
i totally agree that streaming is the way to go. love watching shows on the kindle fire. BUT what are you supposed to do if you want to watch live sports at home?
Plug an antenna into your TV.
I subscribe and love Netflix. I get to stream old favorites and some recent movies. It can be hairy as some things pop up and months later they are gone.
I used my netflix streaming to death for the first year I had it… Now it seems they rarely add anything else of substance that I haven’t seen. I love my satellite service and premium channels.
You don’t have to work for Netflix to know it is a good bargain. I have premium cable and Netflix and since I’ve been streaming Netflix I find that I watch it much more often than regular TV. It is more convenient and has many of the shows I like. I don’t think I’ll give up premium cable but the proportion of how much I watch Netflix makes me wonder why I bother with cable.
There’s something kinda apples-and-oranges-y about comparing Netflix — which offers programming from many different sources — to any single cable network. Wouldn’t it be closer to compare them to a cable provider? How are they doing compared to Comcast, say?
mattheww makes a good point.
The thing I’m not sure of (yet) is the mass ability to watch things on the TV at home. Yes, I know, there are multiple ways to do so. But are most normal people out there using these abilities or is everyone watching off of a laptop/computer?
Another above point made about sports watching also rings true. Unless Netflix goes with live broadcasts they can’t seriously threaten the major networks yet.
But it IS the future, kids.
It be comin’!
I think comparing Netflix to a cable company would be even less appropriate. Netflix has a national reach while cable is limited to regional markets. Also, Netflix is usually being piped through a cable / telephone company’s pipes. Cable companies can and do interfere with a pure competition through bundling strategies effectively using the internet part of their business subsidize their cable subscription part of their business. The benefits of oligarchy markets!
The real danger that the article mentions is if Netflix is eating into the viewing habits of mutual customers. If a loyal cable customer starts spending 70% of his time watching netflix movies and back catalogue of TV shows, the idea of cancelling a cable subscription that costs 3-5 times as much, with much of that content accessible for free through an antenna, becomes far less painful then if they were spending 90% of their spending time watching traditional cable with the occasional movie rental.
In other words, you have a problem when you only capture 30% of your customer’s time but charge 5 times your competitor’s rate. If money becomes tight, like say in a Lesser Depression, guess whose service gets cut first? Slapping a “premium” label on your service only gets you so far when your customers are snacking on ramen noodles.
An interesting thought in all of this is how they measure these numbers.
Back in the day you could watch whatever you wanted and no one knew.
But now that they can track actual viewing numbers (which is GREAT, I think!) I’d imagine the issue of “privacy for something I’m paying for” might come into it somewhere, no?
Hi, SAG Actors,
How does your 0.00% Netflix residual sound to you now? That deal was brought to you by the faction currently in power, the ones trying to hoodwink you into merging with AFTRA so that you can get 0.00% of everything.
Wow, SAG actors really get 0.00% of residuals for Netflix? So they don’t get any cut at all of what Netflix pays out to the studios? Or what subs pay to Hulu?
Wow, just wow.
That’s right. The actors you see in those Netflix movies get 0.00%.