Ray Richmond is contributing to Deadline’s coverage of TCA.
How come we never see any clips from Johnny Carson’s Tonight Show during that show’s first decade (1962-72)? Why was Carson essentially missing in action over the last 13 years of his life that ended on January 23, 2005? Some answers were provided this morning during a TCA panel promoting the PBS American Masters doc Johnny Carson: King of Late Night, scheduled to premiere May 14. The doc’s writer-producer-director Peter Jones confirmed that he had been pursuing Carson in letters from the time he famously retired from Tonight in 1992 to participate in a doc on his life, but he never received so much as a response. “Then one day in 2002 I got a call and heard, ‘Johnny Carson’s on Line 2,’ and I thought it was a joke. But it was really Johnny. He said to me, ‘Peter, you write a very good letter. I know you want me to participate in this, but I won’t be doing anything about my life because you know what? I don’t give a shit. … I’ve done everything I want to do and said everything I want to say. There is nothing more.’ And that was that.”
As for why there is rarely a clip to be found from Tonight‘s early years with Carson, Jones noted that NBC routinely recorded over the previous night’s edition of the show because “video was so expensive back then. They cost $500 apiece. Consequently, the first 10 years of the show virtually do not exist. You only find them now in kinescopes that fans and collectors made. … It was one reason why Johnny stipulated ownership of the show retroactively.”
Jones, joined on the TCA panel by regular Carson guest Angie Dickinson and comedian Drew Carey — who famously was invited to join Johnny on the couch following his first appearance on Tonight — found enthusiastic participation in the doc from Hollywood. Only two celebs who were asked declined to participate: Woody Allen and Bill Cosby. Jones declined to elaborate why. But surprisingly, one personality who did agree to be interviewed was Joan Rivers, whose joining Fox to host her own competing (short-lived) late-night talk show in the late 1980s spurred her complete estrangement from Carson. “Joan really speaks about that for the first time with us,” Jones said. “She admits that she probably shouldn’t have let Johnny find out about it second-hand. … Johnny never spoke with Joan again. She called him to discuss it with him and he hung up on her. The whole thing with Joan broke Jobhnny’s heart, it really did.” Of Carson’s four wives, only second wife Joanne agreed to be interviewed on camera. “The others,” said Jones, “worried that Johnny was still looking over their shoulder.”


Do you hear that? It’s the excitement of one aging midwestern baby boomer that actually cares about this old piece of burbank shit.
Thankfully, you took the time to post about something you don’t seem to care about. Good call. You obviously have affected television far more than Johnny Carson. I look forward to the documentary about your contributions in the very near future, “SJ.”
Such an incredibly churlish and repugnant remark from SJ. Also, in regards to the manner in which this comment was made – rather quite sad.
You hear nothing, SJ… only the ignorant thoughts coming from your own head.
Next time, try typing them out and reading them before you hit send. Or better yet, try actually accomplishing something in this nasty business – with all its bitter backstabbers waiting their turn at your every attempt – and then accomplish it for 30 YEARS.
YOU.. won’t ever know… what showbiz was. Much less else.
Carson was funny as hell and seemed like a nice guy. He was awkward off camera, which made his show seem like a place where he could relax and have fun. I’m surprised Sammy Davis, Jr. (above, SJ) feels so negative about Carson.
all these years later and johnny still the fucking king.
Wow. That’s jaded. When he finally retired, I had spent over half my life watching Johnny Carson. He almost seemed like family to me.
Young people today probably can’t imagine a format where famous people who have no projects to promote go on the show and just be entertaining. Some of the best bits were when Jack Benny, George Gobel and others just came on and did improv. Carson was the best straight man a comedian could ever have. There are no shows like it today.
That’s just not true. All aspects of the show (including the famous tama hawk scene) were scripted and rehearsed. The other myth that needs to die is that actors never went on the show to promote their latest movie or TV show. If one cross-references their appearances with imdb, like I’ve done, you’ll see that they appeared on the Tonight Show specifically to promote their latest project.
The above response comment is not true. Very few “aspects” of Carson’s Tonight Show were scripted and rehearsed. The Ed Ames tomahawk toss was not at all scripted. Ames may have rehearsed the throw prior to the start of the show, but the “location” of the hit was not scripted. It was 100% a complete accident. However, once it happened, Carson did, by all means, milk the unintended hit for all the laughs he could get out of it. If you watch the clip of it, you’ll see Ed Ames attempt to head to the target to remove the tomahawk. Carson grabs his arm and stops him so that the audience can continue to howl with laughter. There is no “myth” that actors never went on the show to promote. Most certainly did. But no, not every guest did, regardless of what IMDB may say. (Imagine that… IMDB having some incorrect info. Amazing.) The above legends mentioned, Jack Benny and George Gobel guested without promoting. As did the likes of Bob Newhart, Don Rickles, Dean Martin and many, many others.
Johnny Carson deserves this tribute more than anyone I can think of. For decades, he was the truly the King and no one dared miss at least the first 30 minutes of the show (it got harder staying up late as one got older). The Tonight Show is now a sad and sorry shell of its former self. Steve Allen, Jack Paar and Carson have to be crying over what has happened to the show.
How about trying to keep the Comments a little classy SJ? In case you missed it, Johnny Carson was a television icon. Maybe not to you, but certainly to tens of millions of people.
I’ll give Johnny a lot of credit for not doing the Bob Hope thing and doing a series of lame specials. Once he left “The Tonight Show”, he practically never performed again, and that has solidified his legend.
That said, anyone who compares his show unfavorably to the current version of “Tonight” is conveniently forgetting how lame Johnny’s late 80s and early 90s shows were – monologues were awful, along with terribly corny and unfunny skits.
@Chrispy – Yes, many Carson monologues met with silence. (Can’t forgot those times when Carson would stare out at the audience, awaiting laughter that wasn’t coming – then reach up, grab the boom-microphone, pull it down, rap on it and speak directly into it, “IS THIS THING ON???” – Result? HUGE laughs from the studio audience and bedrooms across the nation!) However, I would have to say that about 85% of the time, he was in top form. The skits they would do with the curtain pulled were often pretty bad, but Carson’s bits at the desk – talking with Ed, “new products” and of course, the visitor from the East, Carnac – were always pretty hysterical, even in the 80s and 90s. I can’t compare Carson’s 80s/90s shows with the current version. I’ve not watched a single second of it since Conan O’Brien departed.
Johnny should be commended for leaving a legacy in his home state and the University that helped him find his talents. His generosity should be applauded. http://www.unl.edu/finearts/about/carson/
Applause, applause, applause!!!
Carson was a class act. He got offstage and stayed off. No lame “comeback” specials, no selling out. He was obviously smart about his dough. No bill-paying desperation appearances or projects. A true, old-school, American legend, point-blank. He launched more guys than NASA. Woody and Cosby showed class too by staying away from this project. It figures Joan Rivers would be in it though, she’ll take any gig that will keep her “face” out there (as viewers of her own doc know already). No dis on Joan, just sayin’. All these classless jerks spouting off about Carson need to be shot. Will anybody be talking about your snarky posts on Deadline in 30 years?
Johnny is rolling over in his grave at the sarcastic, pompous assholes currently hosting late night talk and their so called celebrity guests. A bunch of skanks, pimps and Hollyweird elitist snobbery. Johnny would have quit 20 years earlier if these were the type of guests he had to banter with. He is missed. Letterman and Leno won’t be.
It was well known “behind the scenes” in Hollywood that Carson wanted Letterman to replace him as host of the Tonight Show. NBC knew it, but since Carson never said it publicly, NBC didn’t have to publicly ignore Carson on his choice. Carson considered Letterman a good friend. This was the exact reason that Leno and his manager, the late Helen Kushnick, so aggressively hounded NBC execs with lies, threats and “hiding in closets” to listen in on meetings. I know immediately when someone passes Letterman off as being sarcastic, pompous, a skank, a pimp and a Hollyweird elitist, that that person does not actually watch Letterman’s show. Letterman puts on that act when a guest/name in the news deserves to be treated that way. Letterman will be greatly missed once he retires, as he will do exactly as Carson did – he won’t make any “comebacks” either. Leno has already made his comeback – by stabbing yet another former friend, Conan O’Brien, in the back.
Have you seen Letterman’s show, lately? Pretty awful. And no one seems to hate the show more than Letterman himself.
@It’s Just TV – I watch Letterman regularly, usually for the full hour. While he does allow himself to wallow in some monotonous activities on screen – presently represented by his interest in twitter – Letterman usually is in top form during his monologue, his bits at the desk, the top 10 list and gabbing with his guests. He’s most definitely taken quite an interest in the musical guests lately also. I can’t help but think that comments such as the show lately being “pretty awful” are written by persons who don’t actually watch the show. I myself don’t watch Leno ever because I can no longer tolerate the sight of the cretin, but I can’t comment as to whether his show is “for a fact” awful. There was a time a while ago when Letterman seemed uninterested in his own show, but that time has passed. I do find it a bit tedious when he sometimes tells the same joke – verbatim – night after night. Carson could get laughs from the same exact topic night after night, but he never told the joke with the same words twice. Letterman does that, and it gets very irritating. Along those same lines, the currently running, “Next time on the Weekend Edition of The Late Show” was funny the first time. The second, third, fourth – tenth, eleventh – have not been the least bit funny. I would think that if Letterman can’t figure that out by the lack of any response from the studio audience, that the producer and others around him could – and should – tell him. So while Letterman does sometimes stagnate, he still can be absolutely brilliantly hysterical and he most definitely is having a good time again with the show.
To Chrispy…
Even the lame shows, awful monologues, corny and unfunny skits far surpass Jay, Dave and the Jimmys. I do happen to like Ferguson, but still, no one comes close to being equal with Carson. It was because Johhny Carson helped the guest look good, rather than used the guest to make himself look good. Another era, and somewhat beyond the ken of the “Look at Me!” dudes today.
The Kenneth Tynan piece on Johnny Carson portrayed perfectly both his public and what people presume was his private persona. He was the best there was and had a staff that ensured it, from writers and bookers to producer and set design. That said, Carson scared as many people who sat on that couch as he helped, even as his main job was to make them look good. He was the best there was. And Peter Jones ain’t shabby, either. I’m looking forward to this documentary.
that Joan Rivers/Johnny Carson feud has be talked about for decades on the Stern Show,this doc won’t get anything Stern hasn’t already found out for us all already
I’ve listening to the same Stern show interviews and I don’t believe I’ve ever heard Joan be contrite about the FOX show. Howard also loves to get Joan to speak about Johnny’s reported cold side. Also to hear Peter Jones describe Carson’s feelings for Joan they went very very deep.
I went into the session skeptically and without much interest but left excited to see the doc. Carson pioneered a format that has endured for 50 years. If you have any interest in tv history, I think you’ll be entertained for sure.
I suspect the “American Masters” documentary on Johnny Carson will be accompanied by pledge breaks.
Simply put,no other person in my life has made me laugh more than Johnny Carson. He was a great talk show host BUT I feel he was even a far better comedian. As everybody knows,he used to take the “silence” after a bad joke and turn it into instant laughter. I have never seen anyone else do it like him.