SUNDAY 12:49 PM, 4TH UPDATE: No progress. The war of words continues with Time Warner saying that the cable system had reached an agreement “last year” to pay MSG the 6.5% price hike it requested at the time. TWC says MSG without warning reneged on that agreement and came back with a new demand for a 53% increase and has refused to budge.
SATURDAY 9:28 PM, 3RD UPDATE: MSG and MSG+ regional sports networks disappeared from from Time Warner Cable systems in the New York metro area and Buffalo at midnight tonight Eastern time. Instead of MSG programming, Time Warner subscribers saw this message: “We take pride in bringing viewers the best in sports — and work hard to keep the price of TV reasonable.” It was later replaced by this one: “We want you to know that while MSG is preventing you from enjoying their channels, other channels still carry your favorite teams. Nearly 40% of the Knicks games and almost 30% of the Rangers games will still be available on your Time Warner Cable lineup.” According to market researcher SNL Kagan,
cable and satellite-TV systems pay more than $4.50 a month per subscriber for MSG and MSG Plus. Walt Disney Co.’s ESPN, the most expensive cable network will cost an average of $5.06 monthly per subscriber in 2012, up from $4.69 in 2011. Time Warner Cable said it was willing to pay 6% more in 2012, but Time Warner EVP Melinda Witmer said MSG sought “dollars more” than any other sports network. In the run-up to the expiration of the old contract, the two sides have waged an aggressive media battle. Time Warner accused MSG Media of demanding a 53% rate increase that would make it the most expensive sports network in the US — more than ESPN. MSG denied seeking that large of an increase and said Time Warner didn’t appreciate the true value of its offerings, which include the Knicks, Rangers, Islanders, Devils and Buffalo Sabres.
SATURDAY 6:18 PM, 2ND UPDATE: MSG Network and Time Warner Cable of New York City are pushing their brinksmanship to the limit and beyond with no deal in sight. MSG and MSG+ will be going dark when the contract expires at midnight. New York sports fans who subscribe to TWC will be out of luck. During the Knicks-Sacramento Kings game tonight MSG began running messages around 8:30 PM New York time indicating the regional sports network would go dark on TWC at midnight and directing subscribers to other providers. “We are disappointed that MSG and MSG Plus will be dropped from Time Warner Cable’s lineup,” said MSG Media president Michael Bair in a statement. “All we have asked is for Time Warner Cable to value our programming in the same way as other TV providers — nothing more, nothing less.”
That announcement is worded in a way that deflects attention from the fact that MSG is pulling the plug, not TWC. “The decision to remove their programming from our lineup rests entirely with MSG,” Time Warner Cable responded in its own statement. “By making that decision well in advance of the deadline, MSG has again shown that they are more interested in holding New York sports fans hostage than in negotiating a deal. Rather than engage in a war of words, they should come back to the table and get a deal done.” Failure to come to terms means MSG and MSG+ will be unavailable to some 2.3 million TWC subscribers for the NBA’s New York Knicks, the NHL’s New York Rangers and Islanders, and the New Jersey Devils and Buffalo Sabres.
SATURDAY 4:10 PM, UPDATE: With less than five hours to go New York time there’s still no movement. No indication of whether Time Warner Cable and Madison Square Garden Media are still negotiating except via email exchanges. That’s hard to believe given the stakes and the customers. TWC previously promised it would not pull the plug on MSG. Typically in such cases it would be the network that would cut the feed, not the cable or other service provider. MSG’s web site is running an ad at the bottom of its home page that routes customers to a tool that directs them to alternate providers. TWC’s NYC homepage isn’t mentioning the dispute but a search for “MSG” leads to a December 19 press release stating TWC’s position.
FRIDAY 1:27 PM: Another year’s end and another carriage feud — this one focusing on sports. With less than 36 hours to go, Madison Square Garden Media and Time Warner Cable have yet to reach an agreement on carriage of the regional sports channels in greater New York City. MSG’s current agreement expires at 12:01 AM on January 1. TWC says MSG is demanding 53% more for its programming which includes New York Knicks and Rangers games.
SNL Kagan estimates the monthly subscriber fee for MSG and MSG+ at $2.48 and $2.17, respectively. ESPN in comparison charges about $4.69 per subscriber. Failure to come to terms would leave millions of viewers without Knicks and Rangers games. In addition to those games MSG and MSG Plus also broadcast games of the New Jersey Devils, New York Islanders and Buffalo Sabres. MSG says it simply wants “market rates” for its channels, but it also wants to ensure carriage for its low-rated Fuse music channel, which Time Warner has already dropped in New York. MSG meanwhile has run ads urging Time Warner Cable customers to switch to other providers including DirecTV and Verizon Communications Inc.’s FiOS. That’s ironic because MSG less than two weeks ago gave up its protracted court fight to keep its HD feeds off Verizon’s FiOS and AT&T’s U-Verse. As cable viewers in other cities such as Los Angeles have seen with Fox Sports and other Fox channels carried by TWC in Southern California, these disagreements tend to run up to the wire with the parties reaching a deal at the last minute with little or no interruption in service. Time Warner Cable says “the ball’s in MSG’s court, so these channels will come off only if MSG pulls the plug.”


just switch to a different provider time Warner sucks anyway.
Most buildings in NYC are monopolies and are only serviced by one cable provider. So yeah, pretty much nothing you can do.
Would be great if that were that simple. A year ago my entire TWC service went out: cable TV, Internet service, digital phone. It was right before Christmas, so between that and the fact that their customer service could not get it together to get my service repaired, I went two weeks without any of it. I can live without TV and my backup phone, but I’m an Internet professional. Internet service is critical for me. 3G broadband (my backup) doesn’t cut it, not at all.
The whole time I was fuming about it, I checked for FiOS (not available), and I’ve had DirecTV (which I would mix with Verizon DSL – which btw isn’t as good as TWC RoadRunner service) here in Brooklyn and, if it rains, no TV service, plus I would have to get my landlords to approve having a dish installed on top of what is basically their house. Not going to happen.
So, it’s not impossible, but not really feasible, like replacing you own two legs with trash-picked 2x4s and duct tape. I tried to kick TWC before when I owned a house in BK, and the DirecTV/VerizonDSL solution is the only thing that comes close, and it isn’t nearly as reliable or robust. “Hey, where’s the satellite signal!?” Oh, there’s a cloud along the southwest horizon, no TV for you!
Until FiOS is available to ALL NYC homes, there is no competition.
“Switch to a different provider.” Yeah, you must live in Fantasyland, dude. Real Americans live in NYC! Haha! NEXT!
PS – I’m a Knicks fan, and even though they don’t stink as badly as years past, they are not an elite team, even with TC at the 5. They have no backcourt or bench! I can do without. Sorry for Rangers fans, though, just when they were really rolling.
Bottom line is this…NYers love their sports and to shut them out of MSG programming isn’t a smart idea by TWC..hoping they come to some sort of a deal that appeases everyone involved.
I am with Time Warner and would love to lose MSG and ESPN, and lose $7 month off my cable bill.
When will they offer the “Chelsea” package: Bravo, HGTV, AMC, A&E, Lifetime, Food Network, Logo…
Seriously, when are we getting to the point where each of these channels are priced individually and you buy them a la carte?
I agree. I won’t miss them. and I would rather pick what I get. most of it is just crap, nobody watches
I am a New Yorker and I never watch MSG channels. TW as already dropped Fuse in my area but guess what my bill is still the same, which is BS. if they are dropping channels why doesn’t my bill go down instead of up ? that would make too much sense huh. And LC in Upstate NY there is no other choice but TW as far as cable goes. There is Direct and Dish but everytime the box screws up and they come to fix it, it will cost 75 dollars. I looked into the options and there are none except TW.
No, no, no.
These bitches need you, you don’t need them. Get into the character – you’re a New Yorker, right? – and get on the phone and don’t hang up ’til you get what you want.
Threaten to throw their box into the street, threaten to tear their dish off the roof and smash it on the curb. Tell them you got a Roku box for Christmas and you don’t need their service anymore. They need subscribers and they have a script to follow that will chill you out.
DirecTV, Dish and TW will all cave – to a point – if you push them. This is your New Years Resolution.
Have you seen the NY sports teams? MSG should pay me to watch them!!!!
What are you talking about? The Rangers are first in the Eastern Conference, tied with the Blackhawks for first in the whole league, and the Knicks are like 3 games into their season after finally bringing in a “big three” set up by adding Chandler. This is the first time both teams have been competitive since the ’90s.
Never losing the Rangers or IFC intheaters are about the only positives to having Cablevision for television though.
Nice comment, moron. The Rangers have the best record in the Eastern Conference.
Have TW in Manhattan and could give a rat’s ass about the MSG’s sports channels. But I’m actually really pissed off they dropped Fuse. I’d never watched it before, but of course they drop it a week before Fuse premieres Billy on the Street. The clips on YouTube and Funny or Die are HILARIOUS. Once again, a show I cannot LEGALLY watch. And Hollywood wonders why people pirate things…
Why doesn’t TWC make an offer to a local channel 2,4,7 to cover the Sabres.? And let MSG go on their own: Dish didn’t fold to their demands.
Is MSG charging the same rate to DirectTV and FiOs?
A la carte!!!!!
This is an injustice to all sports fans. Let’s face it James Dolan is a spoiled rich kid throwing another temper tantrum. I pay for cable and it seems like my money isn’t good enough for both companies. YOur screwing the fans!!!
come on MSG please?? the sabres fans don,t want to loose the sabres on some of the cable company’s
It is my understanding that MSG’s coverage of Buffalo Sabres games is only seen in the Buffalo and Rochester areas.
TWC can drop MSG… that would certainly give MSG pause for reflection. Most people won’t move no matter how much Direct/ et al beg for the business.
Time Warner Cable provided this URL when they discontinued FUSE and FUSE HD, that also addresses the MSG issue: http://twcconversations.com/
I love my Knicks been a fan since 7years old and i dont know what to so if i cant see rhem on MSG Time Warner Cable needs to stay where they at and stop being greety let us keep our Knicks besides its a short season
Funny how James Dolan and MSG don’t mention they’re trying to hold-up TWC for tons more cash by forcing the low-rated FUSE Channel as part of a “package”, thereby driving up costs for a channel even a cable-provider wants no part of.
It seems the bottom line is, if MSG stops trying to force FUSE down TWC’s throat, both sides would be able to work out a deal pretty quickly.
This is just another example of James Dolan trying to pull a fast one on the public. His father must be so embarassed with what James has done to the family-name.
MSG disappeared from my Time Warner service in upstate NY as soon as I got cable – I deleted it. If sports networks want ever increasing amounts of money, why don’t they just emulate HBO and Showtime and become a pay service?
MSG channels don’t cover any baseball or football, so who cares? Let them hold their programming (and their breath) as long as they like. I’m just biding my time till spring training anyway…
I’m surprised that a pro hockey league still exists in the US.
It is not Time Warners fault
The Msg Networks chairman is greedy
Don,t let me lose my Devils
Fuck MSG not going to dish
Sports fans should be telling MSG we want your channels but we already pay enough for them.
Non sports fans should say go fly a kite MSG we want the $50 a year we pay for your channels back.
The viewers need to take a stand as the content providers keep trying to run up their prices via a middleman. If they were trying to do this directly to consumers they would not tolerate it
Why has no one called MSG greedy for demanding a 100% increase in their pay? Seems odd, especailly on this site.
Why is TWC to blame for the actions of MSG?
Why can MSG actively undermine the business of one of it’s partners without repercussions? Who do they think they are? A Union?
Just something to think about.
Hey, did you ever try to get a cable guy out on a weekend, much less a holiday weekend?
Nothing happens with TWC until Tuesday – someone will call you between noon and 5 PM.
I agree. A LA CARTE. I don’t care if some channels go out of business. That’s why it’s called a beeznuhs.