EXCLUSIVE: I’ve obtained a draft of the ‘Opposition Statement’ explaining why 12.9% of the Screen Actors Guild’s National Board Of Directors voted against the proposed SAG-AFTRA merger. (Click here for the orginal .pdf file.)
Let me emphasize again that this is a late draft which may differ slightly from the version about to be handed into SAG at 5 PM today. SAG leadership is limiting the ‘Opposition Statement’ to only 1,000 words and also reserving the right to edit it. So the pro-merger camp may pick and choose what the membership reads from the anti-merger camp when the final ‘Opposition Statemen’ is included in the referendum package being sent out on or about February 27th. Ballots must be returned and results tabulated on March 30th. It will take a 60% affirmative vote within each union to pass a merger referendum. Though the SAG Board’s ‘no’ votes were less than the 25% necessary to mandate a minority report, the guild decided to let the anti-merger camp put its case directly to the membership. Well, almost. I’ve always felt that more information, not less, is the way to go on any issue, and the pros and cons of this SAG-AFTRA merger is must reading for actors, background actors, and stunt performers. Therefore, I want to be certain that SAG members see this ‘Opposition Statement’ draft in its entirety and then compare how it differs from the final version in the referendum package. Who made any changes? What were they? And why? Stay tuned:
SAG ACTORS…HAVE YOU STUDIED THE IMPACT OF THIS MERGER?
IF NOT, HERE ARE CRITICAL FACTS YOU NEED TO KNOW:
(Limited to the 1000 words allotted to us)
PENSION & HEALTH
SAG relied upon a ‘Feasibility Review’. All it concluded is that a merger would be LEGAL. No one ever doubted Mergers are legal. What about our benefits?
SAG did not request any study regarding whether a merger would be FINANCIALLY safe. Why? They know, like the AFTRA Trustees, that “the merger of pension and health funds as large and divergent as the AFTRA and SAG plans raises complex and unique financial, legal and benefit issues which can only be addressed through a comprehensive analysis performed by the funds.”
Despite a SAG Constitutional requirement, no such financial study was recommended or done.
Are your benefits safe? The SAG and AFTRA P&H&R Plans are extremely different. Consider merging these factors:
• SAG pension accrual rate: 2% of earnings: AFTRA: less than 1% of earnings
• SAG early retirement penalty: 3% per year. AFTRA is DOUBLE that at 6% per year.
• SAG Health Plan II annual plan premium (family of 4):$1,620
. AFTRA Individual Health Plan annual premium (family of 4): $17,260.
The merger plan does not even attempt to reconcile these and other differences. Experts addressing the financial impact issues are convinced SAG members will likely suffer diminished future benefits.
Highly respected pension and health experts Brucker & Morra have concluded:
“Until a full and formal ERISA Impact Report of how to address and quantify these problems is completed, no one, not even pension experts, can intelligently evaluate or quantify the probable negative impact on the members’ pension and health benefits. The union merger is so inextricably interconnected with the plan merger that members cannot be asked to evaluate and vote on the Union Merger until issues relating to the Plan Merger have been resolved and concrete proposals formulated so the members can make informed choices.”
The issue has always been the impact on SAG member benefits, when merged with lower AFTRA benefits. If the merger is approved, members will never again have any right to vote to protect their pension benefits. If you are concerned about your benefits, this will be your only vote.
If you vote to merge the unions, you are giving permission to later merge the plans. At that time, you will have no voice, no vote and no recourse regarding future benefit reductions.
SPLIT EARNINGS
The merger Plan does not even address, much less solve our split earnings issues. Rather, it will codify the problem. If merger is approved, the stated plan is to CONTINUE to split your earnings, just like during the last 12 months. If the proposed merger is approved, you will have no further right to vote on this issue either.
NEW DUES STRUCTURE
If merger is approved, over 70,000 SAG-only members’ base dues will increase from $116 to $198.
BROADCASTERS – Preferential Treatment
Broadcasters in the merged union can still work NON-UNION on basic cable networks (ESPN, MSNBC, CNN, CNBC, FOX NEWS, etc.), with drastically discounted dues compared to actors.
Broadcaster work dues from $0 to $100,000 will be the same as actors at 1.575%. Broadcaster dues from $100,000 to $250,000 are drastically discounted to .274% (and capped at $250,000) with maximum dues of $2,184.
Actors, however, will pay 1.575% on ALL earnings up to $500,000, with maximum dues almost 400% higher: $8,073.
BACKGROUND ACTORS – THREE VOUCHER SYSTEM
The much maligned and poorly regulated SAG Three Voucher entry requirement, will continue
Merging unions does not guarantee more Background jobs. It will guarantee more competition for the same covered jobs.
BLOATED BUREAUCRACY
There is no plan to streamline or eliminate duplicated services post merger. The new union will keep all 635 SAG and AFTRA employees. Nor is there a plan to equalize the existing SAG staff (3.5%) and SAG member (2%) pension accrual rates.
CONVENTION
Convention will be the highest governing body in the merged union – higher than the Board of Directors. Convention will have the authority to MERGE with more unions, approve contracts, set policy, control the Constitution/By-Laws and override any decision made by local boards, without giving the membership any direct vote on such matters.
8 out of 10 National officers will be chosen at Convention; not by direct member vote.
The elected President will be able to delegate authority to the Executive VP, also chosen by the Convention, not directly by members.
ELECTED LEADERS MAY RECEIVE PAY.
The SAG Constitution prohibits paying elected officers and board members. The new union Constitution opens the door for payments, currently not permitted.
MAJORITY NO LONGER RULES
Hollywood represents the majority of SAG members, and the majority of revenue. If merged, even a Hollywood majority would not control any issue. Hollywood must secure an additional 5% from other Locals, regardless of its majority vote.
Traditionally, seats on negotiating committees were based on Division/Local earnings. That would no longer be true. The President can simply choose members with National board approval. Those earning the majority of revenue on specific contracts will no longer be guaranteed majority say on those negotiating committees.
EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION
The unions have not exchanged actor contract details. We have no idea how-what-when-why AFTRA gives away residuals in made-for-basic cable shows or other concessions to management.
AGENTS
If merged, the Board, without a member vote, can alone decide whether agents can own or be owned by production entities. The SAG membership rejected the last agent agreement because of this potential conflict of interest.
NEGOTIATING STRENGTH
SAG and AFTRA have been negotiating jointly since 1981. How has that benefited SAG members? AFTRA has routinely undercut SAG interests. A merger of actors is all that is necessary. This merger merely handcuffs SAG.
CONCLUSION
The current merger plan solves almost nothing and adds too many inherent problems. Vote NO and demand that our union leaders conduct the necessary due diligence to create an agreement which will not harm actors. For more detailed information – Proudly signed by:
Editor-in-Chief Nikki Finke - tip her here.


1000 words? I do magazine writing, and 1000 words is an extremely small amount of space to get any points across. And SAG will edit down whatever they wish? These are the reasons – before I even get to examine the issues – that I will vote NO to a merger. Any organization that attempts to limit my access to opposition views loses my trust. Period. I’ll consider voting YES when my union provides me with all the information necessary to making an informed decision (like what they plan to do about pension and health issues).
Fully agree. NO to merger.
Okay, now I’ve read the opposition statement (along with all sorts of prior pros and cons). I have not seen one scintilla of evidence that merging these two unions will provide any of the benefits supporters claim it will. Everything I’ve seen states one generalized bromide or another, like “there is strength in numbers,” but reveals that there’s been no investigation of the actual, measurable results. In fact, there seems to be aggressive avoidance of such investigation, and active bad mouthing of anyone who attempts it, or encourages others to dig into it.
I’m voting NO.
The gaggle of “NO” voters here makes me think that membershipfirst cyber-operatives lurk…
The merger study done by SAG’s & AFTRA’s lawyers is exhaustive and clear (although the fearful among us seem to need to have their hands held by Mommy.) A merger between SAG & AFTRA will allow us to address the merger of the pension plans. And recent union history tells us that when you combine pension plans, the combined plan performs better and allows for better benefits than the previous and smaller individual plans.
Did NASA hold off on the Space Station because every question couldn’t be answered? Of course not.
And AFTRA and SAG members must move forward with merger even though not every single question is answerable.
There is no evil monster out there waiting to chomp your pension like a tuna melt.
There are only members and Pension Plan trustees. “THEY” are us.
Vote yes on merger.
Your NASA metaphor was unfortunate. NASA’s loss of two shuttles underlines how flawed plans can have disastrous results. Too many of our questions to the merger planers at the first NY meeting were answered with “we’ll figure it out later.” How about figuring it out now and voting later.
My answer for now is No. It’s not rocket science.
I am very curious and can’t seem to figure it out from the information theu put out – what will the minumum requirement for health insurance be? Both Level A and Level B plans? Currently it is less in AFTRA and AFTRA does have a better indivudal health insurance plan than SAG. Odd and sad – but very, very true. On one hand it would be great to combine earnings for easier insurance benefit coverage – but I have this fear “they” will jack the requirements – making it harder – not easier to keep your insurance up from year to year. Thoughts?
What you can guarantee is that if these unions don’t merge, don’t organize non-union work and continue duplication and competition, you won’t have to worry about the levels to qualify.
Good benefits come from strong contracts.
If Google or Amazon or Hulu become the producers of content and they aren’t union? Where will your benefits be then?
How are you going to organize non union work. It’s NON UNION and more projects (commercials) have become non union in the last 5-7 years. When will we realize SAG is not a Union. From my understanding Unions go out and secure work for there membership. SAG can’t get you a job they can look out for your interest when you obtain that job but they are not instrumental in getting you work. Screen Actors GUILD. Are these commercials that are using non union actors also using non union directors, grips, and electricians?
And I hope none of these Hollywood stars jump in on this merger talk like they did the last contract vote. I mean really as if the Guild governs anything they do. They have a team of lawyers that will get them anything they want and Health and Pension from the Guild is the least of their concerns.
The guild burned themselves when taking in the extras and has been running down hill every since. Vote NO and lets regain some respect for the craft.
Derrick, everybody already knows that SAG is a guild, not a “union” per se, and we all know the difference.
Commercial work is booked by the ad agency. An agency which is franchised by SAG will use SAG talent, no matter the crew unions. If the agency is not franchised by SAG… Well, let’s just say that those second-tier agencies would like to be SAG-franchised. There is a whole ‘nother level of professionalism on set when SAG actors are aboard.
But I’m all for voting “NO” with you on this mishandled merger plan.
It’s just an obvious power grab to make sure the uppity lower level actors don’t have a voice anymore.
I will vote YES for merger. The above statement is inaccurate and amounts to fear-mongering by 12.9% of the National Board.
The future impact of the proposed merger on pension and welfare to all participants has not been addressed. That is a fact. That, alone, is enough to demand the merger not be addressed until a study is made. Shrugging shoulders and rolling the dice is not prudent. Please explain your claim of inaccuracy.
Rik Deskin has been on the Just Say Sag FB page and constantly banging on the drum of merger. He just wants a secure position on the board and wants all his minions on there too! Total power grab. Not to mention they are salivating at the prospect of being paid once the merger goes through.
If you have more questions than answers then I would vote NO!
Not only is Rik up for one of those SAG-AFTRA Executive Vice President posts, appointed at convention with no input from the rank-and-file, as an officer he will also be eligible for a paycheck and having his health insurance qualification paid for/subsidized by a membership that goes without health insurance.
Rik, how is it inaccurate? Please give specific examples, with cites to verifiable facts that back up your claim.
it’s not fear mongering if you are telling the truth a giving facts. please provide your facts as to what is inaccurate or stop your fear mongering, because that is what the Pro camp is doing.
@Rik
Can you explain to us what’s inaccurate about the opposition statement as you see it?
Hey Rik. Use your looking eyes and read this, taken directly from the AFTRA H&R site. You seem to be a real tool. If you have questions about the accuracy, why don’t you do your due diligence and provide facts that support your accusations. Or are you like all of the other merger zombies?!
AFTRA Health Plan premiums
See below current premiums for the different options for active coverage under the Health Plan. Note that you must meet qualification and minimum earnings requirements to participate in any of the Plans listed below. Also, note that you can now pay your Health Plan premiums online. To learn more about how to qualify for individual or family coverage, visit the Earnings requirements page.
Quarterly premiums for active coverage (effective Jan. 1, 2012)
Participant only … $381 per quarter
Participant and legal spouse / domestic partner … $668 per quarter
Participant and children … $668 per quarter
Full family … $732 per quarter
Quarterly buy-up premiums for active coverage (effective Jan. 1, 2012)
If you only qualify for individual coverage under the AFTRA Health Plan, you may choose to “buy up” to family coverage by paying a buy-up premium, in addition to the individual premium, each quarter.
Participant plus one dependent … $2,446 per quarter ($381 plus a buy-up premium of $2,065)
Participant plus two or more dependents … $4,315 per quarter ($381 plus a buy-up premium of $3,934)
Current monthly premiums for COBRA continuation coverage (through March 31, 2012)
Participant only … $669 per month
Participant plus one dependent … $1,371 per month
Participant plus two or more dependents … $2,006 per month
Merely saying something is inaccurate doesn’t make it so. Cite chapter and verse contradicting what you are objecting to or have the good sense not to make uninformed pronouncements.
I totally agree with you. Someone is going to lose money as a result of this merger (production companies?) and seems to be doing a good job mounting an anti-merger “make ‘em paranoid” campaign.
The merger is going to happen because there are way too many dual card holders.
I’m voting YES!!!
How did the voting/approval process get to this advanced of a stage without anyone putting the breaks on to take a hard look at pension and health plan discrepancies? As an actor, it’s disgusting that such an important movement, uniting under one union, has been weakened by this rushed merger plan.
Oh, please. Um…the 3 voucher rule is going to continue!!!! Um…but if you don\’t merge, it\’s gonna, what? Turn into bunnies?
Merger is permanent! Educate yourself! Here is a good video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q977M5AfOaQ&feature=share
I am voting NO go back to the drawing board and come back when you have a better deal! This one stinks!
Always have voted “Yes” to merger proposals.
Not this time.
There are too many, unacceptable unknowns. I can “retire” in 11 years. So I’m not signing away my future until I have a much more detailed idea of what that future actually is (or can be).
Once again SAG leadership has dropped the ball. You will not get 66% in favor.
My understanding is that pensions are governed by federal law. What’s vested is protected. It’s up to the trustees what happens in the future, and they’re legally bound to protect the solvency of the plan. If this means a rate increase or a higher earning ceiling this is what it will mean.
This is ludicrous. SAG’s treatment of its own membership has passed the subtleties of condescension and distortion and descended into unabashed totalitarianism. And as a bonus, they insult their own members’ intelligence by pretending that this merger business is to “strenghten” them in negotiations with producers, while at the same time slashing and burning their way through all the protections that their predecessors fought so hard to ensure. It’s as if SAG’s current leadership were checking items off a kill list handed to them by the producer’s guild.
And what was that strange display at the SAG awards, with Ken Howard basically forcing a round of applause for Roberta Reardon? It was like a scene from “Valley of the Dolls”. It’s unbelievable how lobotomized some actors appear to be.
That is at the root here: “SAG’s treatment of its own membership…” The current leadership is running just exactly the same kind of roughshod tactics as those who proceeded them tried the the past several times. I really wish they had a plan other than “just vote for the merger and we’ll figure the rest out later.” They clearly do not. Unless the thinly disguised effort of shifting the board leadership to other regions (and it is nothing else) buys them votes, this will go down to defeat as it has twice before. And it is a shame. Actors should stand together as one. It is a great disappointment that the SAG leadership is following the path of least resistance rather than standing up for their membership.
I don’t see anything in this merger for SAG members. I hope SAG members are educating themselves prior to voting, and hopefully they are voting NO upon reading both sides of this proposed merger.
I fought this ill advised merger before and will fight it again. There is no real advantage to a SAG AFTRA merger. AFTRA has been given an equal vote in past joint negotiations and has on more than one occasion voted as a block and with one or two votes from the SAG side (read NY and Branches),drug SAG into accepting a contract that the majority of SAG negotiators voted against!
AFTRA has since undercut SAG contracts, claimed they have new media jurisdiction, and entered into a legal non-defamation agreement with SAG preventing board members and committee members from one side from “bad mouthing” the other. This under a potential fine of up to two million dollars. This effectively prohibits the most knowledgeable members from informing the membership of detrimental behavior Eothers
I fought this ill advised merger before and will fight it again. There is no real advantage to a SAG AFTRA merger. AFTRA has been given an equal vote in past joint negotiations and has on more than one occasion voted as a block and with one or two votes from the SAG side (read NY and Branches),drug SAG into accepting a contract that the majority of SAG negotiators voted against!
AFTRA has since undercut SAG contracts, claimed they have new media jurisdiction, and entered into a legal non-defamation agreement with SAG preventing board members and committee members from one side from “bad mouthing” the other. This under a potential fine of up to two million dollars. This effectively prohibits the most knowledgeable members from informing the membership of detrimental behavior even if it is the truth.
SAG needs to enforce its constitution, its jurisdiction, and its contracts. It does not need weathermen, newscasters, floor walkers,and on air film critics voting on its contracts. AFTRA is a good union for them. SAG is the best union for actors!
This Opposition Statement will be reviewed by SAG staff attorneys.
The review is mandatory.
SAG staff attorneys are NOT ANTI-mergerists.
When SAG and Aftra members receive their ballots, the Opposition Statement will include nothing that SAG lawyers have not approved.
If a reader believes there are inaccuracies in this Opposition Draft Statement, she should quote the alleged inaccuracies and explain how they deviate from what she believes to be factually truthful.
Folks this merger has absolutely NADA to do with making us stronger. Ken howard ran for president under Merger motives not because he cares about the middle class actor.
Remember, he didn’t wanna address members questions alongside AMJ when they were running for President. And He STILL didn’t address any members questions at this past “informational”. His job was to tell everyone to settle down when actors got frustrated with the BS answers we got from the bogus “lawyers”!!!! Notice a lot of the UFS folk that are on the board are all consistently working in guest star and greater roles with the very employers that want to bust the union. And they have a PRO MERGER FB that doesn’t allow opposing comments or if its to truth telling it gets deleted. VOTE NO ON MERGER!! There are better options this leadership doesn’t want you to know about.
That’s typical pro merger talking points from Rik people. The Pro merger folks are starting sound like one big Cult. Next time to talk to someone who’s pro merger. Let me know if you hear a different argument then the “fear mongering” one or something close to that. But in the meantime expect to hear the following dropped in every pro merger argument:”we need bargaining strength”, we need to stop the fighting, strength in numbers, strength in unity, the producers are afraid o this merger, and did I say Ned vaughns mantra….”Bargaining strength”!!!
Mr Deskin…the above statement is completely 100% factually correct. Perhaps, you missed the informational meeting last week held for members of both SAG and AFTRA members. I attended as a member of both unions. Perhaps you…like some ill-informed others should examine your need to ignore the truth and facts re this proposed merger for the colorful and slick sound bites produced on their brochures which alot of younger members have bought like lemmings without examining how the merger will be so truly awful for all actors . They seem like high school kids, who just go along with what their friends are telling them to do without really examining the very valid and critical issues at stake.Vote NO…if you are care about your career and future.
I am a working, middle class actor who works in both unions. I will vote YES to merge. I am tired of all the rhetoric about SAG getting screwed. We played chicken with the studios and treated AFTRA like the red-headed step child and lost on both accounts. We’re awfully close to film becoming irrelevant and this union becoming a moot point. It’s time to move forward and stop fighting our fellow performers.
Does this merger address all the P&H issues? Do I care about that? Yep. But the longer we dick around arguing about how SAG is getting screwed here and there, the more the studios laugh at us and leverage us into shitty contracts. Let’s all get under one umbrella and fight in-house.
Or, just keep on fighting over this merger. Vote NO and let’s drag this out a few more years. That’s seemed to work nicely so far.
The studios didn’t leverage us into bad contracts. Union leadership, led by Roberta Reardon did. Now those same union leaders tell us if we give them MORE power, they will fix the problems THEY created.
This merger is being coerced by AFTRA, on their terms (not only will Roberta continue to be appointed by delegates, rather than the rank-and-file, she will now get health insurance on top of her monthly paycheck of our dues money).
COMPLETE TRUTH.
AFTRA & Reardon broke rank and negotiated without SAG. SAG’s UFS leadership, motivated by desire to merge, sat back and did nothing.
We’re supposed to TRUST the AFTRA folks? Believe that they have our best interests? Trust is something you earn. AFTRA has proven time and again that they cannot be trusted.
Once AGAIN the merger plan is full of holes. This “we’ll figure it out later” mindset is totally worthless and worse, dangerous.
With this plan at seems the power mongers want the membership out of the decision process completely. This version is more of a blatant power grab than previous years.
And the real losers? Actors, as is usually the case.
This one, as the other previous attempts, deserves a BIG NO VOTE!!!
Maybe one day we can actually get a well conceived plan–
cuz this one sure ain’t it!
I will vote a resounding NO! And if the merger goes through I will leave both unions, at least they won’t benefit further from my dues.
Genius! This is like saying – if my candidate doesn’t win I’m moving to Canada!
There are far more questions than there are answers. Which is reason enough to VOTE NO. As a dual member I attended the “Informational” meeting last week. So few questions were really answered the audience began booing, realizing the fix is in. The standard response to any question that exposed the flaws in the plan was, “First we must merge , then we’ll figure that out”. Which is the equivalent of saying, “We’ll fix it in post”. Anyone in this business knows, if you don’t get the coverage, there are some things that can’t be fixed in post !
The fix is in! This merger stinks to high heaven! VOTE NO !!!
Rik Deskin signs his name to his post. The anti-merger folk do not…
SOME of the myriad of false impressions in this draft of the opposition statement include:
1. It completely misstates the broadcasters right to pay less dues. They can only pay less dues IF they work for only ONE employer. As soon as they work for any other employer they must pay the same as all members. This allowance was made so that AFTRA could organize more of the non-union broadcast companies. To leave out the fact that they can only work for the ONE company is disingenuous at best and inaccurate and sneaky at worst.
2. Pension and Health – a Yes vote for merger does NOT mean you are voting yes for merging the P&H Plan. This is a flat out lie. The P&H is COMPLETELY separate and, after the unions merge, can also merge, remain EXACTLY as they are now, or a whole new plan can be created. It is up to the trustees. And they are compelled by federal law to act in the best interest of the members of the plan!
3. Split Earnings – So if we merge it will take 12 months to merge all earnings. If we don’t merge it takes LONGER!!!
4. New Dues Structure – True, but incredibly misleading. For the OTHER half of SAG (the ones that are members of AFTRA too, their dues will go DOWN! Fact is to be a member of BOTH unions will become cheaper and more actors will have to join both as the work is more split between them!
5. Bloated Bureaucracy – Fact is that this current administration has FIXED the bloated bureaucracy that the MF’ers created during their “reign”. I am proud that our ELECTED leadership has formed a merger plan that DOESN’T require mass firings. We will carry all current staff for the first year and then begin to let staff go primarily through attrition and then, yes by firing as need be. But at least they are being given one year to prepare! Also, they fail to mention that the new union will break even in it’s FIRST YEAR!
6. Convention – is made up of MEMBERS!!!! It’s not so scary and is a staple of democracy. Try it, you may be surprised.
7. Elected Leaders may receive PAY – Complete LIE! No one on either board gets “Paid”. The only reason this is even in here is because Roberta Reardon received an honorarium to offset expenses. Pay for board members is expressly NOT ALLOWED!
8.Agents – At least AFTRA HAS a franchise agreement. Together we can craft one for ALL actors.
9. Negotiating Strength – Can we just TRY to be honest? This is just stupid. Of course we will have more leverage in negotiations when we are not fighting each other! And AFTRA never undercut SAG interests until SAG (under the MF’ers) tried to STEAL actors already working under AFTRA’s jurisdiction (soaps).
10. Conclusion – You have a myriad of reasons to vote YES. For those that are still voting NO I would ask this: What do you propose if the merger fails? Because what I see happening is that SAG and AFTRA will continue to fight each other for jurisdiction, work will continue to be split and therefore P&H earnings will continue to be split resulting in MORE decreased qualifications for health and less vesting for Pension.
For the sake of ALL actors, don’t let the producers and their shills SCARE you into voting against our best hope for success. VOTE YES ON MERGER, VOTE YES ON ACTOR’S STRENGTH!
In SOLIDARITY,
-Scott Rogers
Scott,
How’s the acting school going? Have you been on a SAG or AFTRA set as an actor lately? How many years has it been?
I could refute most of your tripe point by point, but I’ll just reveal one laughable mistake: you claim in #4 that half of SAG members will see their dues go down. 70% of SAG members are single card holders who will see their dues go up. Only 30% will go down.
Aren’t you a Board member? Damn, you set a low bar for service!
Ooh, can I play “Name the Lie”?
#9 AFTRA was poaching cable by undercutting SAG rates for years before the trumped up “raid” on a soap. The high-profile leads of a soap, dual cardholders, requested a meeting with Rosenberg to air their grievances. Rosenberg listened, told them to iron it out with AFTRA. That’s what happened. Oh, wait, Ruck beat me to exposing that lie. Do I still get a half-point?
Yeah, pretty foolish for a SAG Board member to repeat a lie, and put his name on it. Especially a lie about the union he’s supposed to represent. Man, I hope Hawaii gets it together in the coming elections.
After ten plus years with both the guild (SAG) and the association (AFTRA)and four years of attempting to enter their political systems ,I submitted several questions about the merger document and the new constitution to the dais (SAG and AFTRA leadership) requesting they publish that lists of questions and answers in a public forum so members could make a more informed decision in the up coming referendum ,These were simple questions like most other members had and most still do,So why all the secrecy and rush to combine the two unions? from what I read there were over fifty items that I my self found to be detrimental to our actors community and favorable to the entities in many ways over monetary,censorship ,member control and disbursement of funds, If read correctly to many parts of future internal conflicts with jurisdiction SAG will be bankrupt long before members are able to save it.
If our “unions” are combined at this time with documents as written as they are , with the rush to be “one” now in place a grave injustice will be done to all of the acting community.
Phase One prepared the battle field, Bad negotiations gave us poor morale and these documents are the documents of surrender,Due to my past OLMS and other experiences with the LA Local AFTRA and years of electioneering with the two entities I fear for the fair treatment of all fellow members in the future,,
1 AFTRA’s due new mail receiving address ( city of industry)
2 Phase One agreements history between SAG and AFTRA (poaching and poor contracts combined)
3 The political clique nature of AFTRA that leave delegates not favored out of the informational loop
4 The actions of the SAG board and Dais from the time of the written assent
5 The 2010 W&W out to lunch closure ,early signing and poor contract
6 The use of AFTRA within ” AFTRA leadership team” in AFTRA’s last election (endorsement?)
7 lack of enforcement between the entities of jurisdiction ,non explanation or definitions of same.
8 The lack of fairness within the merger agreement to membership
9 The lack of proper information to create an informed voter for proper ratification.
10 The last best and final offer statement given by AFTRA to the G1 committee
11 The lack of in writing a guarantee of equitable representation of all members
12 The monetary enrichment of the entity for dues paid for services to members
How many reasons does it take to have members NOT ratify a poorly written & executed document?
Hey Scott Rogers
I’ll sign my name. Alan Ruck.
I) The real problem with broadcaster is that they will be allowed to work non-union
while actors will not be allowed to do so.
So actors will be subsidizing the P & H for broadcasters because this core constituency
of Aftra is too selfish or too lazy to organize workspace in their jurisdiction.
2) A big selling point of this awful merger is telling the rank and file that the split earnings
crisis will be ended by merging.
Well, that would involve either merging the pension and health plans
or creating a new one, either option fraught with difficulty.
So yes, it’s been intimated that a vote for merger is a vote to merge the plans as well.
If not, then why did David White do the “Feasibility Review”, that states there is no
legal impediment to merging the plans.
So if you’re saying this hasn’t been part of the promise to lure members into voting yes,
you’re either mis-informed or you’re lying.
3) Your post in your item # 3 contradicts your item #2.
Good job.
5) Please cite facts and figures to support your bold claims that UFS alleviated any bureaucratic
bloating caused by MF.
Please cite any facts and figures to support your claim the new union will break even
in the first year.
You can’t.
You pulled that right out of your ass.
6) Convention is ruled by oligarchy, by a small group of top officials and staff who keep all
major decision making far away from the rank and file.
it bears no resemblance to the one member – one vote democracy of SAG.
9) Nice to have you admit that Aftra did steal from SAG.
But Aftra had been poaching cable shows from SAG for several years before the
trumped up Bold and the Beautiful charges were leveled at Rosenberg and Allen.
Think it through . . . why would anyone want to poach a dying format that
would be gone in 5 to 10 years and wasn’t bringing much much revenue now?
Again, Scott Rogers is full of shit.
10) Conclusion ?
Broadcasters allowed to do non-union gigs for big money.
A clause in the constitution that allows the board and staff to assess new fees
ON ALL RESIDUALS.
The lie that merging will in some way ensure the end of the split earnings crisis.
These last three sentences are reason alone to vote this thing down.
Back to point 9 in Scott’s response— beacause this is a big one. It reveals intent, the CHARACTER of the AFTRA leadership. Let’s see: They broke rank, negotiated with producers as SAG was preparing to strike and stole the TV contratcs , out of SPITE? SAG supposedly tried to poach actors from them, so it was to do the same? and in spades? “They started it first!” Ridiculous excuse.
The truth is, AFTRA folks have been seething since the early, failed merger vote and have been clearly waiting for an opportunity to undermine SAG. Corrupt, dishonest, undignified behavior.
I’ve been a memeber of SAG for a decade and had to join AFTRA a few years ago. There’s stark, startling difference in the way SAG conducts itself (on point, fights for its members, excellent dedicated service, transparant) and the way AFTRA operates (desparate, shady, lazy, clueless staff, no transperancy when it comes to risiduals). Sorry. SAG may have not been perfect, but over the years, all of us knew that they will always fight for us, get us the best possible contracts, protect us, have our backs.
AFTRA? not so much.
NO on the merge. Either draw up a better plan— or go all out and decertify AFTRA.
Do you want to belong to a union that allows a certain class of the membership to work NON-UNION?
Do you want to of lower your chances of getting work; since merger means more wannabees running after the same number of jobs?
NOT ME! AND,HOPEFULLY NOT YOU.
BTW…BE SURE TO COME TO THE ANTI-MERGER RALLY @ SAG ON THURS 2-16- 2012 FROM 1PM TO 3PM
Please give details of the “Anti-Merger Rally” tomorrow! I want to go and offer my support and loud voice!
If they don’t know = VOTE NO!!!
If this passes, would it even be legal? Can it be challenged based on the constitutional requirement to study the P&H plan that never happened?
I can’t understand why our leaders think this is a good idea to keep all decision making away from the members, not to merge pension plans, and allow nonunion work to occurr inside our own union?
The sad part is it’ll pass & no one will understand what happened before it’s too late. And why aren’t we voting out the current slate of board directors? How is it legal that marital law can be instigated?
Why aren’t WE allowed to choose who runs OUR UNION? Chuck this piece of shit & get some real board members in there who want to see SAG succeed!!
Fellow Performers~
This is my real name. I am a 35 year member of SAG & AFTRA. I am voting YES twice. I’m not afraid to say that the vicious attack against merger is the voice of the enemy.
“Membership First” (our enemy) attacked our sister union AFTRA (that’s you and me; assuming you are a professional, working performer) drove AFTRA from the traditional bargaining table during the television negotiations and cost SAG (that’s you and me too) dozens of pilots and TV contracts ($ JOBS $).
“Membership First” (our enemy) filed an unfounded lawsuit against SAG (that’s you and me) which cost SAG (that’s you and me) $300,000. It was all their EGO.
These attacks on our future are driven by their selfishness and EGO again. Look who the detractors are. Find out their names. Those who are NOT stooges of the Producers Association are failed actors trying to hang on to their sense of power that has already cost us jobs and money.
Yes… The Health & Welfare plans need to be merged and that will follow. Pensions are guaranteed. Anything you have earned that
No… The officers aren’t going to “pay themselves.” Don’t be silly.
No. This is not some fiendish “takeover” plan.
No. AFTRA performers aren’t gonna’ rush in and take your precious background player jobs. That’s also silly. They already could do that whether there was a merger or not.
SAG hasn’t had an “AGENT AGREEMENT” in years. A merger won’t affect that.
NO. AFTRA has NOT routinely undercut SAG interests. That only happened in the most recent negotiations as a result of driving them out of shared negotiations with the TV producers.
ALL of these exaggerations and lies are designed to frighten those who don’t know how their unions have worked all these years.
If you care about the future of your career read the proposals. Go to the informational meetings. Ask questions. And vote for our future prosperity.
…..Ewwww…..Larry.
Just……ewwww.
You are a mean one.
Larry, Buddy,
Probably shoulda left your name off that. You’re making an ass of yourself with all this “MEMBERSHIP FIRST IS THE DEVIL!” silliness.
Membership first screwed up, but they aren’t the enemy. AFTRA would have screwed us regardless of who was leading SAG. They had to undermine SAG’s contracts and poach television to remain fiscally solvent. AFTRA was on the path to a well-deserved extinction, so they undercut SAG’s cable contracts for a cash infusion. Now they want us to merge on THEIR terms.
And I’m a boardroom veteran (not M1st), so I know very well how my union “has worked” all these years.
“Probably shoulda left your name off that. You’re making an ass of yourself with all this “MEMBERSHIP FIRST IS THE DEVIL!” silliness.”
Uh, yep! Absolutely.
“Membership first screwed up, but they aren’t the enemy. AFTRA would have screwed us regardless of who was leading SAG. They had to undermine SAG’s contracts and poach television to remain fiscally solvent. AFTRA was on the path to a well-deserved extinction, so they undercut SAG’s cable contracts for a cash infusion. Now they want us to merge on THEIR terms.”
Ditto, yeppers!
“And I’m a boardroom veteran (not M1st), so I know very well how my union “has worked” all these years.”
BOOM! And we have a trifecta of complete agreement with all of this comment!
It seems that the pro-merger contingent not only has no legs to stand on, but comments like Larry’s, Rik’s and “Didgeredoo’s” above prove it. What’s hard to discern is if they’re shills, stupid or simply un/misinformed.
Larry. Are we really going to play tit for tat? Because if we are, it’ll be like shooting fish in a barrel.
Where shall I begin:
2006/7: AFTRA offers producers residual free contracts for basic cable shows.
2007: MF, under Doug Allen, exposes the truth about AFTRA’s undercutting, pissing off AFTRA and the SAG/AFRA merger zombies.
2007/8:civilians Ned Vaughn and Amy Brenneman demand that SAG’s board use Qualified Voting during the upcoming 2008 TV/Theatrical contract referendum. SAG leadership informs them that they didn’t believe in Qualified Voting. Vaughn promises Rosenberg and others that if the board does not institute Qualified Voting before the 2008 TV/Theatrical referendum is sent out, Vaughn will make Rosenberg and MF rue the day.
2008: AFTRA walks out of joint negotiations and goes in and gets their weak ass deal with the producers.
2008:UFS runs a campaign and wins seats on the SAG boards.
2008/9: Vaughn &U4S fire Doug Allen and take over the SAG board and make nice nice with AFTRA.
2009: SAG/U4S negotiates the worse deal in union history.
2009: U4S’s Howard is elected President on a campaign platform of, “vote for us and we’ll all get back to work.” SAG members fall for it and U4S, NYC control SAG board. MF is voted out.
2009:An overwhelming majority of tv pilots to go to AFTRA. SAG does nothing about it. But U4S is still promising, “stick with us and we’ll get you back to work.”
2009: Rosenberg, Ladd, McCord and Johnson sue SAG based on a constitutional violation. They lose at every step in court but ultimately SAG changes its constitution to be more like what they were suing over. SAG publicly vilifies them for having the nerve to sue their union to do what SAG ultimately did, wasting over $300K of members money. No plaintiff asked to have their legal bills paid by SAG.
2009/10: Pilots continue to leave SAG and head over to AFTRA and SAG does nothing about it. U4S still claiming to SAG actors, ‘”Stick with us and we’ll get you back to work.”
2009/2010: Howard and Reardon begin their merger affair, with Vaughn pulling the strings.
2010/2011: AFTRA getting the lion share of all tv pilots and SAG does nothing about it. U4S still screaming,”Stick with us and we’ll get you back to work.” What they really meant was, “Stick with us and we’ll get you back to work but only on AFTRA shows, weakening SAG in order for AFTRA to take control, forcing a bullshit merger, guaranteeing U4S control for the next several years.
2011: Howard promises that he’ll be announcing “we are one” at the SAG awards in Jan 2012
2012: Merger plan is rushed through the boards so Howard and Reardon can announce “victory is ours” at the SAG award on January 29th, 2012.
2012: Merger plan is publicly shared and it states that contributions will still be split between SAG and AFTRA’s P&H plans until who in the hell knows. AFTRA is still getting the majority of tv pilots and now it’s way toooo late for SAG to do anything about it but merge with a union that has been screwing/lying with SAG since 2006. AFTRA cheated, lied, stole, mislead, and f*&%^$ with SAG and SAG did nothing to stop it. Someone said at the Hollywood membership meeting last week,”this merger is like the victim marrying her rapist.” Couldn’t have said it better.
How’s that Larry?
UA, I see your “advocacy” for unions is of the actors-are-better-than-announcers-dancers-singers kind.
SAG created the Ultra-Low Feature rate of $100 per day. Do you hear screams about that? It encourages indy filmmaking. But when AFTRA does the same for hardly-watched cable shows YOU SCREAM…??
Get real.
I’m voting YES on merger. Chicken Little is retired. The sky won’t fall.
Your NO-vote pitch is like Ralph Reed’s pitch for the right wing: “Elect Obama and we’ll go Socialist.”
Not.