
The stations groups that passed on a daytime syndicated talk show Rosie O’Donnell was shopping two years ago are probably having a “we told you so” moment today as O’Donnell’s daytime talk show on OWN: Oprah Winfrey Network got the ax after five low-rated months on the air.
Related: OWN Cancels Rosie O’Donnell’s Talk Show
OWN went for broke with the launch of The Rosie Show, whose October premiere, along with that of Oprah’s Lifeclass, were broadcast on five Discovery networks. The struggling and money-losing OWN spent some $10 million to market the two shows, whose debut was touted as an unofficial OWN relaunch. That $10 million went where the previous $250 million+ in investment from Discovery went — down the drain. After an OK start with 500,000 viewers tuning in to the premiere, Rosie quickly lost more than half of that to average under 200,000 viewers for most of its run, while Lifeclass was pretty much DOA. Why did O’Donnell, who had two successful previous daytime talk show stints under her belt, on her own syndicated show and on ABC’s The View, fizzle so quickly?
The reasons have to do with OWN and with O’Donnell, with their partnership appearing doomed from the start. It’s hard to get traction for a new show on a network very few people are watching. It also doesn’t help that Rosie was scheduled at 7 PM, a time period no one associates with talk shows, which normally air in daytime and late-night. Airing Rosie at a time when few soccer moms are available and viewers are not in the habit of watching a talk show against venerable performers like Wheel Of Fortune and Jeopardy proved a tall order. (It was initially announced as a daytime talk show.) Still, as Winfrey’s recent interview with Whitney Houston’s daughter, which attracted 3.5 million viewers, proved, noisy programing can draw eyeballs even on a very low-trafficked network.
Which leads us to O’Donnell, a polarizing figure with strong political views and aggressive style, something that kept station buyers on the sidelines when she was shopping a syndicated talk show in 2010. OWN, which originally branded itself as a network for inspiring women and helping them better their lives, tried to rehabilitate O’Donnell’s image and channel more of her 1990s “queen of nice” bubbly persona than the darker, more controversial one we’ve seen in the final stage of her daytime talk show, on The View as well as on her Sirius XM radio show. But it proved hard for O’Donnell to escape her reputation and get viewers to fully embrace her they way they did 16 years ago. And she didn’t look as natural in that role as she was back in the day.
Also ill-advised was OWN’s decision to position O’Donnell as Winfrey’s successor, from the slew of photo ops of Winfrey draping her arm around O’Donnell’s shoulders to setting O’Donnell’s show in the massive Chicago studio that housed The Oprah Winfrey Show. O’Donnell was uprooted from New York where the show was originally going to be set, to the Windy City. She never felt comfortable on the Oprah stage and in January, she scaled down to a more intimate setting. The revamp was part of a desperate last-ditch attempt to save the show. It also included a showrunner switch, with the hire of Shane Farley, who worked with O’Donnell on her Emmy-winning syndicated talker, to replace original executive producer Page Hurwitz. It looked like OWN was desperately searching for ways to bring together as many elements from O’Donnell’s old show as it can in hopes that they could re-create the winning combination that made that show successful. Unfortunately, replicating success in this business is almost impossible, and for O’Donnell’s OWN show, the changes proved to be too little too late.
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OWN really should’ve picked up the Soaps when they were initially canceled last year. They could’ve built there brand better by getting those soap viewers over to the network to launch other shows like The Rosie Show and such… but nope, they didn’t, and now they’re suffering because of it.
The reason the Soaps are dying is simple.
The big soap company Proctor and Gamble no longer wants to advertise on them.
Have you looked at the ratings of the show that replaced One Life to Live? The Revolution is getting 50% fewer viewers overall and in key demos.
What have been the most successful shows in ABC primetime? Its soap opera Revenge. Look at cable, the big shows are all serialized/soap operas: Sons of Anarchy, Mad Men, the Walking Dead, True Blood, etc. In primetime, Univision’s and Telemundo’s respective soap operas often have higher ratings than NBC.
The cancelled ABC soaps had on average 2.4 million viewers. No program on OWN regularly gets half those numbers.
But it costs a lot, lot more to do an episode of a soap than an episode of The Revolution.
First of all, there is generally a drop in ratings in a time slot with a new show ( Seindfeld performed TERRIBLY for it’s first 3 seasons ) Second, even with the drop in ratings, ABC is STILL making at least twice the revenue in that slot simply based on the substantially decreased production costs and salary considerations.
That may be true as far as ABC revenue is concerned, but I and several friends make it a POINT to not watch ABC shows that air during the canceled soaps time slot. The one remaining daytime soap left on ABC I watch online. If they cancel GH, I’m done with ABC.
That may be true, but any drop in the time slot isn’t all that bad because the new show sometimes performs better than the old one. Also, the ratings may be lower, but that doesn’t mean that ABC is happy with the costs of the programming. A cheaper to produce show isn’t going to get the ratings compared to a previous show especially if that network is just throwing stuff to the wall and hoping it sticks.
Agreed. Grateful fans would have been loyal to their shows & her.
Yeah, that’s a winning strategy. Take 40 year old shows that nobody is watching anymore, and that have been cancelled by other networks, and put them on a network no one is currently watching either.
Face reality! Nobody gives a rat’s ass about “the soaps”; if they did, the shows would still be on the air. Hopefully OWN will soon be joining those rancid, decrepit “soaps” in the unemployment line.
Basic cable’s model does not require the ratings of broadcast networks.
The ratings of those soaps on CBS and ABC would have been considered HUGE numbers for Oprah. Whether OWN could have reduced those costs to fit more with their own budgets and made it work is another question all together. Would those viewers have followed those soaps to OWN? Do they even get OWN? These questions are an entirely different analysis.
Your analysis that “nobody is watching anymore”, however, is extremely shallow and your observation that OWN is a “network no one is watching” is the very point of the conversation to begin with.
You started typing before you started thinking. Try to watch that in the future.
So, please explain to me how the business model of SOAPNet stopped being profitable and saw massive declines in viewers? And please do so without the standard go-to of “blame Disney”
I appreciate the passion of soap fans, but you must let it go
It is tough to go without the “Blame Disney” branding because Brian Frons is a Disney/ABC employee. He was in charge with SOAPNet along with ABC Daytime. The channel, which will go black on March 22, at 11:59 PM Eastern time, airs five current soaps. Current schedule is the following (All Eastern time):
Previous day’s shows: 6-11 AM
Off Network soaps: 12-6 PM
Today’s shows: 6-11 PM, and 12-5 AM
With the majority of the content being repeats of same-day or previous day programming, one truly understands why ratings have fallen.
The ratings of those soaps on CBS and ABC would have been considered HUGE numbers for Oprah.
Except for the fact that those numbers weren’t going to automatically follow those soaps if they moved over to OWN. They simply would have been shows already trending downwards for 20 years, hemorrhaging viewers and cash, but at a different network. The “soap” format is dead, and the demographic that once supported it is splintered and fractured by too much competition, is old, with an advertising industry not interested in catering to the 55+ age demo. Oprah understood this to true, but apparently it’s a reality that too many soap fans such as yourself refuse to accept.
You started typing before you started thinking. Try to watch that in the future.
If 500 people read my comments that’ll be 500 people more than are watching your lame soap operas. I can’t wait for ABC to announce that GENERAL HOSPITAL has been cancelled. DAYS OF OUR LIVES won’t get renewed. Good times!!!
We 55+ people have more money to spend than the younger crowd. Our kids are grown, mortgages paid, cars paid, etc. I don’t know why advertisers don’t get this – except that we don’t fall for some of the hoakey crap they try to sell that maybe younger viewers fall for. We have serious money to spend. I really don’t know why advertisers don’t get this.
You don’t get this? Sure you have more money to spend than youngsters in the demo, but you’re also less likely to switch from your brand to whatever the advertisers are selling, i.e. are essentially irrelevant to them. If you already buy what they sell, they don’t feel the need to advertise to you because they’ve already got you. If you don’t buy their products, you probably never will unless it’s specifically something that applies to the 55+ demo that’s just now discovering that stuff.
Yes, it sucks, but brand loyalty is what’s screwing you. Either become less loyal or make sure advertisers know that you guys are the ones giving teens and 20 somethings the money to buy the iPods and whatnot. A lot of people are getting support and being catered to by mom and dad well after age 18. Surely you could make it clear that you’ll keep your little Jimmy from getting that new product if they don’t advertise on shows YOU like.
Less likely to switch, Ana? Pffft.
I am 55 and for many years was loyal to Toyota/Lexus, having purchased 5 over the last 12 years. I recently bought my wife a new car for Christmas…an Infiniti.
I was a loyal user of Alienware Area 51 PCs, tip top of the line gaming machines at $4K each, having bought six over the last 12 years. In August I switched to a 27″ iMac.
I was a loyal buyer of Allen Edmonds shoes, having purchased about 10 pair over the last 25 years. The last two pairs of shoes I bought were Bruno Magli and Santoni.
I was a loyal buyer of Hart Shaffner Marx suits, having bought 10+ over the past 25 years. My last two suits were Burberry.
I was a loyal…well, you get the point. I think people will definitely trade up or down on brands as their discretionary income level changes. Or because they’re just plain bored using the same old stuff over and over. My wife an I are almost empty nesters and are ready for change in our lives. Bring it on!
“…make sure advertisers know that you guys are the ones giving teens and 20 somethings the money …”
*I* should not have to make sure they know it. They should already know it if they have half a brain. They *DO* know it.
Some idiot many years ago decided the 20-somethings was the demo to go after. Nobody has challened that out-of-date thinking because they are afraid the big boys will do something like, oh.. I don’t know … THINK.
Everyone knows we have the money.
“If 500 people read my comments that’ll be 500 people more than are watching your lame soap operas. I can’t wait for ABC to announce that GENERAL HOSPITAL has been cancelled. DAYS OF OUR LIVES won’t get renewed. Good times!!!” If 500 people actually do read what you have written it will not be for smart, accurate, non-bias, informative well thought out information. They will read it because the prejudice and opinions that you share are actually shocking. It resembles driving by a very destructive car accident that you slow down to see because something about what you are looking at does not let you take your eyes off of it. It is quite obvious what you think about the soap genre, and your thoughts are something you are entitled to. As is the thoughts of the people who have a respect and love for the genre that you re so quick to bury. The only “lame” thing here is your closed minded opinions. There is a great deal to be said about standing and staying loyal to something that has served a purpose for so many years. It takes courage and an open mind to try everything before putting it to a final rest. It does not bother me that you are not a fan of the soaps. What does bother me is your disrespect for all of the hard work and dedication that goes into make something work for such a long period of time. Talented and committed people showed up everyday to bring to the TV screen a product that gave millions of people a source of entertainment along with the opportunity to take a short break in order to help them get through their day.
Condemming soaps. Accusing Oprah of trying to brainwash her audience by influencing them with her political choices. Those of you that condemn Oprah and other celebrities for sharing their opinions are quite the hypocrites. What makes you think that your close minded and jealous driven thoughts are that you share in order to try to influence others is any different, or any more welcomed to those who choose to read certain things in order to stay informed.
It is true that certain things run their course, and in order to support the flow of change and moving forward we must say goodbye to certain things. Just because they are moving on does not mean that it is time to bash and ridicule them as they do. Why do people get so excited about people who dare to try something new failing. The negative comments written on this page thank God are the minority. We would be in much sadder state of affairs if judgement and lack of support and respect as demonstrated in these comments were shared by the majority.
I thank the creative teams that entertained us for years by welcoming us into the world of soaps. You gave millions of people a place to go during the day where we could put our “stuff” on the shelves for a short period of time, and become involved with sometime the outrageous, over the top characters and story lines that you gave us to watch. Your contribution most definitely served a purpose or you would never have been welcomed in our homes for so many years. To Oprah and the other people the celebrities and the non celebrities thank you for taking the chances that you have then in a place where we could watch and learn. You have taught us and continue to teach us that we can dream big, and aim high. You have shared with us your successes, and your failures and all in all you showed us that you can survive the highs and lows of all the things we dare to try. You shared with us your opinions without telling us that it was the only way to go. To the soaps that remain may you come into our homes and entertain us until the time comes when your purpose has been completed. No one has a crystal ball and is able to predict how things will fall though by reading some of these comments you would think that some people believe that they do.
Jealousy is not pretty and being hateful because you do not have a platform like someone else may have is really a shame. We should be able to use our platforms to share our thoughts, and trust our own thoughts and convictions enough not to be so threatened by them.
Soaps. Why waste time watching soaps. Get a life and go live it instead of watching soaps. Get real!
That’s a good one!
I give OWN one more year and then it’s gone.
Oprah is so honest and transparent, if she would quit throwing good money after bad, cancel her network, get back on network tV like she was…she could re coup her fortunes and make us ALL happy. COME ON OPRAH, your 60′s will be the best decade ever for you.
I strongly disagree that Oprah can EVER come back to what she once was. When she once revealed to her audience that watching Mary Tyler Moore (and her show) was one of her dearest pleasures, she drew us all to her. We found common ground. We were one, and we loved her.
However, when she announced to the world that she was supporting the candidacy and presidency of BHO, she lost exactly 50% of her previous audience. Fact. Politics and show business do not mix . . . unless and until one has achieved enough success and banked enough money to ride out the disaffection of at least HALF of one’s previous audience.
I, for one, will never, EVER watch another Oprah Winfrey show, nor support any movie or entertainment venture she is involved in. That was the calculated risk she (and Barbra Streisand, Tom Hanks, Ed Asner, Rosie O’Donnell, and the like) took, and they must, one and all, live with the consequences.
I’m with you! I used to watch Oprah on a daily basis, but when it was clear she was trying to influence her audience politically, she lost me forever. That goes with all celebrities. I do not want to know their opinion with regards to politics. They are strictly entertainers in my eyes. Unfortunately same for George Clooney.
Agreed. Once “celebrities” or any others start mouthing off about politics, they polarize half of their fans or audience. Why don’t they understand this?
I am a Realtor by profession, and one of the first things I learned when I entered the field was to NEVER put a political bumper sticker on my car (or a University affiliation either). I want to help poeple sell or buy homes, not engage them in political flame throwing (or how my team is better than your team). Folks take their politics seriously, and injecting a plitical discussion into the search for a home is surely to alienate. And, dear folks, so it goes with those self important entertainment figures.
I find comments like this perplexing and weird. Most entertainers like Streisand don’t sing *and* talk about politics at the same time — LOL. She doesn’t come on TV and sing “People, people who need TO VOTE FOR BARRACK OBAMA.” She doesn’t shove anything down your throat. You have to actively pay attention or click on that link or read that post — then you have only yourself to blame. To say you’ll never read or support something they do again is a bit extreme, IMHO. You can’t enjoy a Jane Fonda movie even though you disagree with her politics?? You can’t watch an episode of Oprah about child abuse because she supported Obama?? Very PROVINCIAL. Wow.
That is exactly why Johnnie Carson, was so successful. Didn’t mix politics.
I’m sure Oprah did not lose 50% of her viewers because she supported Obama. In fact, after her initial endorsement, she invited the other candidates on her show. She was ready to move on and I applaud her. Why does every article end up being political?
You are absolutely correct, why didn’t I think of that? Better yet, why didn’t the programmers for OWN think of that? Would have been a great move, getting all the cancelled soaps and viewers. I think it’s because the soaps have no political agenda, and aren’t trying to teach anyone anything and just provide escapism to pass the time. And what is wrong with that, anyway?
I hate the soaps but I agree with your strategy.
Easy nobody watched it. Nobody watches that network period. They can hire and fire as many people as they want. That channel will never work.
+1. The suits keep firing the janitors.
or keep bringing in retreads from Lifetime or Disney Channel
Exactly right. I’m no huge fan of O’donnel’s but I don’t buy this “shopping around” bit, a bit. After Rosie left her daytime show, the big three begged her to come back. Her stint on the View was a MASSIVE success and saved that show and put it on a good course. She took a huge step down taking a show to OWN.
Oprah destroyed any chance by moving Rosie to Chicago and not syndicating this show. Rosie is a money maker even after her gay outbursts. SHE left the view and Babs woulda kept her cause she knows good ratings.
Oprah has a lemon, she really needs to get her act together. Why don’t they stream on the web?
I would love to hear some ideas how to save that network. At this point it seems futile and not because it’s bad content, it’s a really shitty outlook for all cable these days. Logo made it Oprah needs to dig deeper.
Anyone taking bets on how long before Discovery pulls the plug on OWN?
It has to be soon. Discovery gets way better ratings for Mythbusters repeats.
The smart folks at deadline will be able to pick up on one key fact that is a very early red flag shall we say other than hearing it from discover or winfrey there is another very good indicator curiousto see if deadline catches it if/when it comes too pass theyll be the first to report the breaking newa on this one.
I agree with PopEye’s comment. There are more Soap Fans/viewers than dvr/Nielson ratings show and when Oprah turned down opportunity of the ABC soaps which were being cancelled along w/her comment relating soaps are not now/future daytime tv–pretty much turned these prev Oprah fans off anything she placed on her OWN ntwk including Rosie show. Prior to cancellation of soaps, I was a huge 0prah fan following her to OWN along w/ABC being my main station 24/7 for over 43 yrs. After how soaps/fans were treated, ABC along w/Oprah & OWN receive very little if any at all of my 24/7 watch time! We would have been a lot of support to OWN/Rosie but paybacks are rotten. If ABC & Oprah want to have their prev huge support fan base back, they know what to do for us soap fans and we’ll be glad to bring their ratings back up!
“….along w/her comment relating soaps are not now/future daytime tv–pretty much turned these prev Oprah fans off anything she placed on her OWN ntwk including Rosie show…”
So she speaks the truth and you punish her for it?
“After how soaps/fans were treated…”
You mean like having your favorite show on television for over 40 years, with the last 15-20 years showing steep declines in viewers and diminishing returns on investments? Most shows wouldn’t get 15-20 years to prove themselves, and yet you soap fans STILL GRIPE and COMPLAIN about your shows being cancelled. What do you think happens in life? *EVERYTHING* dies. People, animals, shows….you people are greedy and can never be satisfied. I see now why Brian Frons killed your shows, and I’m glad he did it.
“There are more Soap Fans/viewers than dvr/Nielson ratings show”
Blame Neilsen?
Wait, is this Philippe Dauman?
Rosie is NY. Oprah is Chicago. That simple.
No… Rosie is a has-been. Has nothing to do with NY, IL or any other state. Period.
“Build it and they will come.” heheheheheheeee
Rosie and Oprah are yesterday’s left-overs. The only thing Rosie refused to do was have the tissues in hand to dry the crocodile tears as each guest spoke. Oprah is a master at the “crocodile tears and tissues in hand” routine.
Never watched Oprah. Never found her that interesting just someone who was re-engineering the societal norms. Did it very cleverly with a touch of tugging on your heart strings and then reeling you in. Never surprised she made the political choice she made. Her socialist leanings really came out with her announcement for support of BO. I always laughed at the Soaps when a teenage friend and her mother watched them. The Saga’s were so mindless but then again the country reflects all this and more now that their children are suckers for the Kardasians. As far as Rosie goes she was always a loud mouth and always will be she just can’t help herself. If people would just turn off the boob tube maybe more families would survive longer and they wouldn’t be longing for the lies that the shows push like drugs. Get a life people go out and help people and stop watching people who make a lot of money off of you selling a lot of hog wash….
Though I will not dispute the fact that Oprah is super gracious, and it’s cool that she is creating jobs and what not….. WHAT AN INSANE WASTE OF MONEY THIS SHOW WAS. I mean c’mon, really? What were they thinking???!! Rosie hasn’t had any sort of traction/relevancy in years. U have the money, pull for Ellen! That would be the coup.
Why in the world would Ellen leave her current place and move to OWN? She’s very successful and that would not be smart.
She could do a dance show, but I think she is happy where she is at currently. If she does move to cable, it would be to TBS.
It takes long time to build network to respectable viewership level. But Oprah who got used to ton of success wanted to buy viewers immediately. She even did not even want to do her own show on network while viewers were still addicted to it. She thinks too highly of herself and therefore failed.
No one under the age of 30 gives a shit about Rosie O’Donnell or Oprah Winfrey. The latter’s megalomania and failure to transition seamlessly from network syndication to cable is why audiences never made it to OWN. It’s a lame cable channel lost among hundreds of others, and many cable and satellite subscribers don’t even receive it in HD. Time to pull the plug.
Nellie Andreeva got it right when she wrote- “O’Donnell, a polarizing figure with strong political views and aggressive style.” In addition Oprah became a polarizing figure when she became political and alienated half the country. I for one was turned off and haven’t watched her show or network since.
Exactly. Who wants to watch some angry woman confronting her guests?
I remember when Rosie had her first network talk show. We already knew she was a lesbian but it didn’t matter to most of us. She was entertaining and funny and had good guests on her show. Even my mother, in her mid 70′s, liked Rosie. Both Mom and I defended her to people who were critical of her, especially men who made crass remarks about her being a lesbian. We women didn’t really care about that…we liked Rosie and her show.
But then she started getting confrontational and angry. Her treatment of Tom Selleck on her show was shameful. He handled it remarkably well. She was a shrew. Very low class.
She seemed to get worse from that point on. That wasn’t what people (particularly women) tuning in to an afternoon talk show wanted to see and hear. She blew it. So many of us were so loyal to her for as long as we could be. I don’t care to hear the rhetoric spewed constantly, night and day, on the air waves. I can make up my own mind. I don’t need some celebrity telling me how to think. Rosie reached the point that that was what she was doing—preaching and telling the rest of us how to think.
She didn’t seem to change much once she went to OWN. But then, why should she, since her boss was as bad as she was, only a little more subtle.
By the way, I am a registered Democrat. But I can make up my own mind. Celebrities don’t need to try to brainwash me about anything. And right now, the Democratic party is chasing me away after more than 30 years. They need to check out of Never Never Land and take a look at the real world.
Rosie = box of rocks. Quote ” well thats the first time fire has ever melted steel” in reference to 9 11 and why the WTC towers fell. Absolutely the dumbest statement by a celeb i think i have ever heard.
Thats the reason she has very few fans left.
Whether fire can melt steel or not, 1675 architects and engineers agree with her that Building 7 was a controlled demolition.
But apparently you shouldn’t disagree with the government’s version of a story if you care about keeping your TV job, no matter how unbelievable their story actually is.
I can enjoy a movie Jane Fonda is in, but I wouldn’t spend a penny on it.
Watching Oprah puts money in her pocket, a percentage of which will go towards the reelection of Barack Obama. If someone doesn’t want that to happen, then why would/should they support her?
What went wrong?
Simple, it was a talk show hosted by Rosie O’Donnell.
Don’t forget she came out claiming herself to be a socialist too. Not very bright when you count on the public to make a living.
great point…I agree 100%
“What went wrong”?? What, if anything, was right? How can you expect a loud-mouthed, bitter, militant- lesbian, socialist hostess, who has managed to insult and disgust the majority of her “Vew”ing audiences, to gather an audience who’d want to tune in for her more of the same?
What went wrong? What went wrong? The host is what was wrong! O’Donnell just made herself too toxic, and now, even when she switches on “nice Rosie,” nobody can forget the image she’s spent the last decade cultivating. Consequently, nobody wants to watch Rosie O’Donnell anymore. Why Oprah couldn’t see this before she hired her is amazing to me.
The right host may not have made the show a smash success in its time period and so forth, but at least it wouldn’t have been four strikes against the show before it even aired.
This is absolutely correct. I’m quite certain Rosie had the same radical and polarizing political views while doing her ( relatively ) successful network talk show but no one knew it then because she didn’t advertise. After the show ended and she took her muzzle off and exposed the meanness and harsh rhetoric, going back to ” nice Rosie ” ( as you so aptly put it ) was an impossibility.
100% CORRECT! I was thinking the same thing. I know for my part that is exactly why anything Rosie touches in the future will receive the same response. Some will say it’s because Rosie is Gay but it’s not. It’s because she is so radical. I love Ellen and am happy that JC Penney has decided to use her. I totally disagree with the lifestyle, as for myself, but condemn no one that chooses to make a same sex partnership. Rosie on the other hand is so Radical and actually mean-spirited that she’s a very ugly person and no one wants to spend time with someone so toxic.
Don’t fool yourself, tho. Ellen is probably exactly the same as Roside on the inside (bitter militant socialist), otherwise she wouldn’t have the industry support she has.
However, she has been smart enough not to show it.
Once she’s decided she’s made enough money, she’ll self-destruct and ruin her career a la Hanks, Rosie, Oprah, Clooney, Damon, etc.
It’s not just about Rosie O’Donnell. The shine is off of Oprah Winfrey as well. At one time they were both gold… but their very public political rhetoric has turned off a large portion of their audience. Face it, people are responding by exercising their own free speech by switching channels. When someone is very public in their support of something or someone you feel has insulted your character or beliefs, it is quite hard to maintain warm feelings towards them.
“When someone is very public in their support of something or someone you feel has insulted your character or beliefs, it is quite hard to maintain warm feelings towards them.”
Say, are you going to tell that to Kirk Cameron, Craig T Nelson or Patricia Heaton?
I’ll wait.
They knew when they came out as Christians that Hollywood wouldn’t accept them. They also knew that there are those of us who have been waiting for someone to stand up and those people are their audience. If you’re fine with a reduced audience (which I know Kirk Cameron is, at least), then go ahead and stand up for what you believe. Also, these folks aren’t standing up with a scowl on their faces.
The problem with Rosie is that she is ANGRY and it shows. I used to love her show and enjoy her humor. I know that she suffers from depression and I feel bad about that, but she shows her sadness through anger and that’s just no way to gain anyone in your audience but those three people who also happen to love Ed Schultz.
Oprah thought that she could use her power to elect a president and she did. I guess she has the platform and she can use it any way she wants. Perhaps she was smart enough to consider that there are those of us who wouldn’t be happy with that choice, and we are voting with our feet. I was never an Oprah person before but would watch her show if I was home sick when it came on or something like that. After her slobbering love affair with Obama, though, I decided that the only way I could register my disapproval would be to not give her any more of my time. So I did. I’m sure she’s just fine without me.
By the way, in a capitalist society such as ours (at least for the time being), this is an appropriate way to express disapproval in the behavior of a business. I considered occupying property that doesn’t belong to me, a drum circle, and forgetting to take a bath for a couple of months but thought this would be less time consuming (and it doesn’t get me into trouble with rat infestations and what-not).
She shudda just started giving away cars…to VIEWERS!!
Oprah is a strange one isn’t she. Here’s a black woman who has the power to put any black woman (or man) on her network and she keeps going with the white women, as if her audience is all-white. Here’s a black woman who wants to broadcast HER vision and HER subject matters, which the audience doesn’t want. And then she goes “premium” which requires the viewer pay outside their basic cable. What does the audience want to see? Reality shows, game shows, court shows, style and fashion. All Oprah had to do is grab a really good black host (Aisher tyler, holly robinson) and go with them. Wanda Sykes had a very good nighttime talk show that was cancelled. There are a lot of past reality shows, game shows that she could have re-broadcast.
She never gives up. But she should just throw in the towel, or move over and let someone with experience run her network.
As for Bobbi Kris interview — we know she paid her to do the interview, because both of them are in trouble. Bobbi needs the money and Oprah needs the viewers.
sallyinchicago, we have no evidence that Oprah paid Bobbi for an interview, and we also have no proof about Whitney Houston’s finances. Please, only talk when you can verify the facts.
Ben
Bobbi got an appearance fee for the interview. That is normal for Television and radio.
Now that is rediculous. Oprah’s primary viewing audience were younger to middle aged white women. The failure had nothing to do with the color or the host’s skin (as black women as a demographic did not watch a whole lot of Oprah anyway). The failure has to do with the fact that Oprah over reached. Very successful media person who had a bad idea and executed it poorly… OWN is a failure, and Rosie is a person most do not care to have in their living room…. stupid idea.
Exactly DBB. I would have not tuned in to watch anyone host YET ANOTHER talk show, white or black. Haven’t we had enough of this format?? Then again this is Oprah and her team – originality doesn’t seem to factor in.
Sally in Chicago – are you nuts. the wanda sykes show was an abomination.
Sally:
Talk about an ANGRY WOMAN!! Wanda is right up there with Rosie!
1. Oprah. She thought that all she had to do was buy into a network, hire people and her name would sell anything. She did not do her homework, get a fix on what people wanted to watch or were watching but thought the Oprah fairy dust was enough. Her shows were all about the sort of feel goodish stuff she likes, a selfish programming strategy if ever there was one. And the lack of scripted programs was a big mistake. Agree w/Popeye that picking up the soaps might have been a good idea.
2. Rosie. Like the other Rosie – Rosanne Barr – she has just burned too many bridges. The 9/11 conspiracy comments did her no good and she has just been too abrasive and too unpleasant in a way that made people think that was the real Rosie and the nicer and more approachable Rosie was just a phony act. Maybe she is really a nice person, I dont know, but she never sold the public on it.
YOU NAILED IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When my daughter was little, her and I watched Rosie and just loved it.
We really had fun watching her, she had singing and she was so nice to her audience, and she seemed to truly be excited to be doing her show, it was really kinda magic.
It reminded me of when I was little and watched Mike Douglas with my Mom. It is funny because that was exactly was Rosie said she was trying to recreate and she succeeded. We already thought she was gay and could care less, so that had nothing to do with anything I think. She just went nuts is what happened. She told us all she was not nice, and now we believe her.
She is so jaded and harsh and rude about so many things now, it is really sad to me. I just do not care at all for her now.
What works for an hour on TV does not necessarily work for 24 hours. Talk shows are tricky, and depend on interview talent. Oprah moved, her audience didn’t. Over. Rosie who? Over.
Oprah. She thought that all she had to do was buy into a network, hire people and her name would sell anything. She did not do her homework, get a fix on what people wanted to watch or were watching but thought the Oprah fairy dust was enough.
Exactly. And one of the first signs that her brand may have been in trouble and that people were tired of her and that OWN might not be worth launching was Oprah’s failed attempt to get the 2016 Olympics for Chicago. Not only did she and Barack Obama failed to convince the IOC to bring the Olympics to Chicago, but they got eliminated after the first round of voting. It was a stunning defeat for Oprah and a harbinger of things to come.
Ms. Political has turned off 50% of the voters.
Just like Matt Damon, Tom Hanks, George Clooney, etc.
Only the smart ones, like Brad Pitt, Ellen and Tom Cruise, were smart enough to keep their mouths shut about politics.
You blame Oprah for Chicago not getting the 2016 Olympics?
Say, does living in your rightwing hate-bubble give you cramps? Your hatred of anything non-conservative has made you into ultra conspiracy theorists.
No, I don’t blame Oprah for not getting the 2016 Olympics. I blame her for thinking she ever could get them. She was not part of the organizing team that put together the Olympic bid. Rather, she was brought on at the last moment to try and help sell the bid to the IOC, and she knew very little about organized sports or putting the games together on such a huge scale. Her chief selling point was her name; she thought she could go over there and wow these people with her fabulousness and that the IOC would forget everything else and just give Chicago the games. Same thing with OWN: she thought slapping a name brand on the network would guarantee viewers and therefore put less effort into OWN early on than she should have.
Why would I pay extra to my cable provider to give me a network that repackages Oprah’s old shows and presents them as “Oprah’s New Master Life Class”. Oprah is over-exposed as it is. Who else but Oprah (and Rosie) would name magazines after themselves, then feature themselves on every cover, but 75 lbs lighter than they actually are?
Oprah wasn’t a last minute addition, Barack Hussian Obama Mmmm! Mmmm! Mmmm! was. (Note, that was Obama’s name to Rush Limbaugh the day the Olympics were lost for Chicago.)
As for Oprah, she was a long time supporter of the Chicago games, and she wined and dined the IOC committee in charge of visiting the site in advance of the host city selection. She should have been speaking at the final presentation before the vote. Instead the President spoke about his wish to “wake up and see the world’s athletes at his door.” That is the problem with the President, he makes everything about himself. Oprah, like or hate her, would have made her Olympic speech all about Chicago. That would have resulted in a possible final vote where Chicago trounces Rio.
Wow! Take your meds dude. Better yet, run back and check out what MSNBC wants you to say and think next.
People on here are so hateful. If you are capable of making up your mind then what does it matter what Oprah, Tom Hanks or George Clooney thinks and by the way just because they are celebrities does not mean they are not entitled to their own opinion. If you don’t like whats on TV, turn it off, how radical is that.
I think Rosie is even more rancid after the shows, if her personal Tweet rants are any indication. She blames everyone except herself for her decline.
First, you have to the channel on the cable line up, then you have to have a reason to watch. So far, I have seen nothing to make me want to watch. Doesn’t take a genius to figure that out.
The OWN network is at the core of the problem.
Make a real channel, that people would tune into. The Rosie Show should have worked!!! However, if no one is watching that network to begin with one show or 2 Oprah show ex. Is not & will not cut it. Picking up the Soap’s not a bad idea! But you have to develop this network into one that people will go to – just like it is one of the major networks. Pick a new shows that are in pilots for this summer – I would not wait for fall. This channel will perhaps be to far to reach by then.
Things people are watching – ex The voice, reality shows- repeats of good show from this pass season, those that are on the bubble are interesting choices – why because they have a base & a lot of people don’t want them canceled – develop a summer season to open yourself up for a much better fall!!!!! You have to start somewhere – I just don’t think anyone really started something anything new on this channel. You just can’t go with things that have been getting this channel by in the pass- TV is changing & this network needs to get on board or be left behind
“The Rosie Show should have worked!!!”
I think the first paragraph of the article covered that fallacy.
Oprah thought she was smarter than the herd of TV execs who had passed on Rosie’s show. Repeatedly passed.
Rosie is like school in the summertime – no class.
Just another has-been given a 3rd chance, they need some new young blood on day time TV. Who’s next Katie Couric……oh wait
hey – com’on – not all of us have that channel or cable (like most of us dedicated oprah fans.) she was watched around the world – we can’t see her withouit cable.
Taking Rosie out of her natural element, namely NYC, was the biggest mistake- She wasn’t able to really be herself, and it showed. She is someone who is such a natural TV celebrity- the first show felt like a kid away at camp- scared, uncomfortable and eager to please the bullies.
lol @ John…
(yes, i laughed)
In the business practical model, what is relevant?
Maybe, anti-relevancy matters even more.
I’ll still take the Fred Silverman theory, jet a bunch of executives to Iowa and transplant them for a few months.
And yes, I forgive old man Silverman for “Supertrain”.
…And yes:
Rosie failed, because it was on OWN and yes, Rosie doesn’t really matter anymore.
Somewhere, Ricki Lake is secretly smiling!
And so is Donahue…
‘Rosie was not able to be herself’ ???
That was a good thing because no one likes the ‘real Rosie’
Very, very keen observation. Listening to Rosie preparing for her show (while still on air at Sirius) you could absolutely tell she was unsure and eager to please TPTB. I knew then this show was going to have huge problems. That and the fact OWN has no idea what it’s doing. But to implode after less than a year? OY.
highly political actors are toxic. look at janine garofalo. yuck! if you dont love her opinion, you probably hate it. same goes to rosie and denis miller and viggio mortensen and on and on. actors keep your traps shut and let us enjoy your professional talents.
I think you hit the nail on the head. The U.S. has become so polarized that if you show your political affiliation it can be toxic to a career. I think that even affected Oprah’s ratings in her final years on network television after she endorsed Obama. I couldn’t believe it though when she hired Rosie because she is so polarizing. Remember how loved Rosie was? You can’t get that back.
i agree! own should bring back the soaps including atwt and gl its never to late!
Problem is that no one knows where to find it.
Not true. Discovery Health pulled bigger numbers.
Let’s get real!
Rosie is a nasty little piece of work. She’s not cute, she’s not bubbly. She looks like something that rolled out of a trailer park and is looking to kick your ass down at Wal-mart because you took her parking spot.
Take the person, specifically this person, and the politics she embraces (far left), and you pretty much have a guaranteed recipe for disaster. Simply put she is a 100 percent turnoff.
Lest you think I’m some far right gay bashed, I tape Ellen every day! What a show! Happy! Funny! Energized! The audience is totally into it!
I want Rosie to go away, live a quiet life on the money she’s made and never come back. We used the to have a saying about women like her when I was on subs in the navy – “she’s so ugly she’d make a train take a dirt road”
Epic post!
Totally agree.
“She looks like something that rolled out of a trailer park and is looking to kick your ass down at Wal-mart because you took her parking spot.
Man, you couldn’t a hit that side of the barn any more precisely!! HIGH TEN BRAH!! And she somehow makes her money making fun of and mocking people who make her look and sound like the razorback barnyard pig she is most of the time. Insufferable.
Thank you! Wonderfully said.
Uh oh… somebody better give Anderson Cooper and the other replacements a call. I feel a “jay Leno” like storm brewing. OWN may go away but I bet it will be harder for Oprah to.
Of course there is always Barbara Walters role someone can fill.
Indeed, like most of those folks out there, they totally misread bill paying America, think they’re far, far more important to world events than they really are, and most look outright delusional when doing so and so vocally and usually offensively to most non cranks.
I tolerated her until her “fire can’t melt steel” argument which is and was atypical of her utter ignorance to the real world they live far far away from we own, but came from once and forgot somehow. $$$$$$$ causes amnesia among other things, and it can’t cure stupid.
Seriously, you have to ask what went wrong? They put a has-been hatemongering idiot on a channel no one watches.
My thoughts exactly.
Rocco, You are RIGHT ON!