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Criminal Minds is really going to kick Law & Order: SVU’s butt in the ratings. Might as well label it “final season” or ship it to cable; SVU that is.
That is probably true. The thing is, did it have to be this way?
As someone else noted, given the competition at that time of the night, NBC probably figured it was better to put an older show rather than a newer show up. I personally wouldn’t have picked up “Chicago Fire,” since it has a distinct “been there, done that” feel to it. Instead, I would have picked up a show like “Midnight Sun” or “Beautiful People.”
That said, NBC still has choices. I don’t know if it can still pick up shows, but it should if it can. Since it probably won’t, though, I will assume that it won’t. Now, I came to this thread to say the the “Revolution” trailer on YouTube is quickly approaching 6,000,000 views after just two days. That might be deceptive high, but as a point of comparison, no other new NBC show is over 100,000 views. Hell, “The Dark Knight Rises” is approaching 16,000,000, but it’s been out for two weeks!
I have no idea why this might be the case, but assuming the interest is real and growing and keeps up, NBC might have a huge hit on its hands. We won’t know for sure big it will be until it premieres and has been on for a few weeks, but figure that if it looks like it will be big, the network might want to reshuffle the lineup. After all, it premieres with 20,000,0000 viewers but only 10,000,000 on average stick around after that, it’s still a big win for NBC. And if it had another show after it, it could build that show up, both before and after the premiere.
Were I NBC, I would seriously consider this line up.
MONDAY:
The Voice (two hours), repeat of something for now OR bring up a midseason show like Infamous
TUESDAY:
The Voice (one hour), Go On, The New Normal, Parenthood
WEDNESDAY:
Grimm OR Revolution, followed by whichever one doesn’t go first, Do No Harm
THURSDAY:
Animal Practice, Up All Night, The Office, Parks, Rock Center
FRIDAY:
30 Rock and Community OR Guys with Kids and Whitney, Chicago Fire, SVU
Now, it still has “1600 Penn,” “Next Caller,” “Mockingbird Lane, “Infamous,” and “Hannibal,” along with some pirate show, for midseason. That’s a lot to squeeze in, and the more shows that click, the harder it is to fit them all in. But no doubt the network would love to find itself with that dilemma, and even if getting out of it is harder than it seems, it’s so deep in the hole that it needs something, anything, to work. I think the changes above give the network the best chance possible to not only not have what is (barely) working for them now get killed, but actually grow.
Dude you’d be fired with this schedule although I like your Friday schedule.
NBC’s 6M views are because people are HUNGRY for some good sci fi show. GOOD sci fi. Not Terra Nova, not Alcatraz, not Touch. The sci fi audience is smart and demanding. Give them something good and it will take off like a rocket.
The other reason: Giancarlo Esposito. The man can do no wrong!!!
PS, NBC should have picked up Beautiful People, Midnight Sun and The Frontier. Of all those four, ONE of them would probably be that one elusive hit that they can rebuild their fortunes around. To bank on just one series being that hit is very risky. There are so many ways Revolution (or any of those other three, to be fair) could go off the rails.
Cancel Mob Doctor now and save the money FOX.
What are you talking about? It was the only Fox upfront presentation that made any dramatic or marketing sense…
This grid is super useful. Now I can schedule my DVR to be unplugged.
Both shows are long runners, but I prefer SVU.
VERY interesting. In it’s 10th year CBS has decided to move 2.5 Men to a new night and time?
I know the argument can be made that with strength, viewers will follow. But I don’t ever remember NBC moving Friends to 9:00pm on Tuesdays.
This is interesting.
Revolution trailer is huge hit – 6 millions views – its like movie hit trailer -looks outstanding, freaking awesome! They must keep these 2 songs from trailer for theme in the series episodes! All other network trailers are around 5000 its crazy!
For now there are two hit shows for me:
1 revolution – NBC (trailer with 6 000 000 viewers already. Beat viewers from all other new trailers together. this show will be with best buzz ever)
2 Nashville – ABC
3 ???
wait for CBS trailers but for now only two. FOX dramas are disaster again.
As I indicated above, “Revolution” might just be the thing that pulls NBC out of its slump, if the number of viewers are indicative of how many people might end up watching it.
But I don’t think it’s the only show with breakout potential. “The Following” on Fox looks awesome and, I think, distinct from a show like “Cult.” I’m not sure about there only being 15 episodes per season, but if it’s a good show, it’ll could easily last a few seasons.
Did they HAVE TO put Revolution in the same slot as Hawaii Five-0 and Castle, two shows with so-so ratings that have struggled not to completely cannibalize viewers between them for a couple of seasons now, at least? I’ll be watching all three, but man, what a slot choice.
Thank goodness they moved CSI:NY to 8pm… it was hell having CSI:NY, Grimm, Fringe, and Supernatural all in the same slot this time around! I realize CSI:NY isn’t sci-fi, but it is the only CSI I watch, so that was hard.
Of course, just watch them move Supernatural to 8pm after I post this. Lol. Ugh.
NBC wants to give Revolution a solid shot at success, so why wouldn’t they pick a timeslot with weak competition? NBC is going for the young male demo (including viewers who have bailed on broadcast altogether). ABC and CBS skew older and female in that timeslot. It’s the perfect place from NBC’s perspective.
SPN has been moved to Wednesdays.
Looks like a tough, balanced schedule to me in which not one network has a clear advantage over the others in terms of overall ratings for the week. I mean clearly, NBC will win Sundays but that is the only guranteed nightly win for them at the moment. With NBC’s Voice on a downswing, DWTS for ABC not fully recovered, FOX weak, and CBS will be at its weakest level in a long time, Mondays look like a real battle. CBS in continued weakness will still own Tuesday. FOX may take Wednesday but after the dismal start of X-Factor Season One, I expect a continued dropoff, especially given that The Voice will air this fall as well. Thursdays will be a battle as ABC, and CBS will improve and FOX will be stable. NBC will be hammered severely on Thursdays. ABC should own Fridays, and Saturdays. Of the new shows highlighted on this chart I liked Chicago Fire and Last Resort.
It’s Elementary, my dear Watson – Scandal is going to demolish us!
Are you being funny? CBS will tromp all over ABC in that timeslot.
Kerry Washington vs Lucy Liu?! Hello Scandal!
I think the huge buzz will be going out to “666 Park Avenue”. This show happens to be “Fantasy Island” meets “Hotel” meets “LOST” meets “The Devil’s Advocate”. Terry O’Quinn happens to be a true bad-ass actor, and knows how to play bad guys very well. It also stars The REAL Vanessa Williams as Terry O’Quinn’s TV wife. Vanessa has been a well-seasoned actress with roles on “Ugly Betty” & “Desperate Housewives” undermeath her acting belt. Not bad for a woman who started out as a popular R&B/Soul singer. This will be good to watch this fall. It looks so very promising…
I saw the 666 Park Ave pilot… not promising. Vanessa is a brilliant actress but gets terrible material to work with. Terry O’Quinn is one-note and the supporting characters are boring. And it’s slow.. so slow. I really wanted to like it, but I just found more stuff stupid or illogical than what I liked.
666 Park Ave skews female and older. Revolution’s huge buzz comes from its young-male appeal (check out the YT stats, they’re always young male skewing even for stuff that isn’t – that’s the YT audience.)
ABC has plenty of traditional ways to market the heck out of 666 Park Ave. Their soaps and fantasy-soaps lineup is very compatible, so they can bootstrap it off their existing shows. I would have had OUAT and not Revenge be the direct lead-in, but it’s probably fine where it is.
Last Resort is the problematic one – it needs to be getting that young-male online buzz now and it’s not.
To agree with others i would not have revolution on Monday nights. I would swap it and Parenthood. Parenthood has different viewers than those too i would think. And Revolution would do better against private practice than i think parenthood would.
Why would I be fired with this schedule?
SVU is like their highest rated show… they need to use it for a launching pad. 10pm on Fridays is close to off the schedule.
I guess so, but it’s still low rated. Its ratings are now as low or lower than what “Parenthood” was getting. It’s not going to be a particularly great launching pad any longer. And short of some growth next season, I think it’s coming to end next spring, which is entirely fitting.
But…it could go kind of, sort of well on Fridays. If NBC is insisting on using it to launch a series, it could lead into “Chicago Fire.” If not, it could have “Fire” lead into “SVU,” which could be the stronger play if it helps the ratings for “SVU.” It wouldn’t go up against “Blue Bloods,” for one thing. And since all of these moves mean NBC now has Wednesdays open, it could effectively counter program against the other big networks.
DVR views only count if they’re within 24 hrs of airing, right? So do Friday and Saturday nights become more important because Saturday and Sunday mornings are peak DVR viewing times?
Within three days of airing. Looks like Fri is still the cult-series deathslot and Sat is still irrelevant.
If you have a Nielsen box, views before 3am are included in the live+ same day ratings, with viewings after that included in the live+3 and live+ 7 ratings.
remember, in the 70′s, how exciting it was when this grid appeared in TV Guide?
Revolution’s biggest problem is the very fact that 6 million people have seen that trailer, it looks ridiculous. Like a kid that does something stupid and gets millions of hits, this is the same thing. The stupidiity of no electricity, you might be able to forgive, until you follow it with bows and arrows? My God, the only way NBC will benefit from that expensive turd will be the great SNL skits mocking it.
The saddest thing is how NBC has given up on Thursday nights. Whomever thought it was a good idea to put Rock Center in the previous home of great dramas like ER should be sent down to public access where they belong. No one is too big fail, and that includes NBC. Maybe Comcast can retain the sports and sell of the parts for a pretty penny and a tax break, because this sinkhole is getting terminal.
What are they supposed to use in a world where there’s no electricity?
The plotting looks kind of outrageous, but because it’s not clear that the show can stick within the laws of physics. If it can, it all kind of makes sense.
I don’t mind bows & arrows but if they can start a fire to cook food, they can have steam power. Where are the steam cars and trains?
There’s no way the show can stick ‘within the laws of physics.’ If all forms of energy really had vanished (including those that hold our atoms together), life would be impossible and there would be no TV show. In fact, there would be no planet. Earth has atoms too.
They’re being highly selective about what forms of energy are allowed to exist. They’re booting the forms that allow cars and guns but not the forms that allow, say, the Sun to shine or a fire to be lit.
Maybe it will all be the work of godlike aliens who can do anything lol.
I’m not a scientist, but while it’s theoretically possible to have a steam engine, is it practical to expect people to be able to jump right back to being able to use it, especially considering all of the hysteria that would have likely occurred?
And of course they are being highly selective. Clearly natural things, like fire and sunlight, exist in this situation, as do other things necessary for life to go on. The point is that the sort of energy that powers electronics and stuff is no longer possible to have, for some reason–possibly some big conspiracy involving the military general. I could be placing too much faith in people, but I doubt that they forgot to consult someone who has the requisite knowledge while making the show.
You are going to take your number one show and place a repeat behind it? You have no other launching pads… But you take it a run a repeat. You are clearly not in the biz or have much business sense.
Well, the easier and better solution would be to run an original program behind there, as I indicated (or so I thought) when I said a midseason show could be brought up there. But you could also run a repeat of some other show that was new to expose additional viewers to it. That probably wouldn’t happen, and it probably shouldn’t, but it’s an option.
Like I said, either here or in some other thread on Deadline, I think “Revolution” could be big. If so, great, but the problem is that nothing runs after it. If it’s big and I were NBC, I’d consider moving it up an hour, or perhaps switching nights, so that some other show could have a leg up.
But anyway, do you really think NBC is in a good position on Wednesdays? I think it’s going to get slaughtered. That’s why I like the idea of putting “Revolution” on Wednesdays. NBC could put the show at 9:00, or even at 8:00, and do well. On Mondays, it could launch either “Infamous” and/or bring back “Smash.”
If Revolution becomes a hit, you move it NEXT season after it’s had a full season behind The Voice.
Depends on how well it premieres and how well it holds up. If it’s premiere is absolutely huge (i.e. 25 million viewers) and it stays high (i.e. 18 million viewers), NBC shouldn’t be that reluctant to move it, especially if “The Voice” is still big. That way, it could launch one or two new shows behind “The Voice” and surround newer shows around a relocated “Revolution,” too. Let’s remember that it wasn’t until towards the end of the season when CBS first moved “CSI” behind “Survivor” after it proved it could be huge on Thursdays.
Hasn’t REVOLUTION already been done? Remember JERICHO????
I’ll be watching CHICAGO FIRE (Jesse Spencer from [H]OUSE) is HOT!
The X FACTOR, and Friday’s CBS line-up with CSI:N.Y.
That’s all I’m sure of right now.
Of all the new shows the 1 I’m most anticipating is Revolution. I’ll also be checking out 666 Park Ave which should be a good lead out for Revenge. The other show I’m looking forward to is Last Resort but I’m afraid it’s going to be in a very difficult slot on Thur at 8 pm.
In some ways, that’s the smartest move that any network has made. We can’t know if the show will be good until we see it, but it has a good pedigree, so that piece of the puzzle is there. Now think that there’s nothing else quite like it (particularly in that it might be equally male-skewing as female-skewing) in the slot. All that’s left, really, is for people to be aware of the show. If ABC can do that, it could have a hit on its hands, which should lift it up on the entire night.
The series Revolution resembles the Emberverse Series by S.M. Stirling.
Revolution is going to be hurt by AFC Football on CBS, which never ends by 7 p.m. ET, which means that The Good Wife will never start at 9 p.m. ET.
Oops, I meant to say that 666 Park Ave. will be hurt on Sundays at 10 p.m.
With very few exceptions, the cable shows are still better than those of the networks. COVERT AFFAIRs, RIZZOLI AND ISLES and BURN NOTICE are better than any of the new junk they are trying to pass off on the Nets.