UPDATE, 11:00 AM: AMC Networks tells me that CEO Josh Sapan didn’t mean to leave an impression that he might help digital streaming services – and therefore promote pay TV cord-cutting — if Dish Network drops his channels. He really meant that he would only consider helping another traditional pay TV provider when he responded to a question about how he’ll deal with “other distributors who might want to capture subscribers who want access to (AMC’s) programming.” His answer: “We think that the potential absence of our service and services on any platform by definition creates a sort of competitive opportunity for another platform. It is a very competitive world for multichannel video. So we’ll watch it as it goes. Of course, we’re contemplating it and making all sorts of contingency plans.”
PREVIOUS, 8:40 AM: Talk about Mad Men, or even Walking Dead: AMC Networks CEO Josh Sapan vaguely hints this morning that he might promote pay TV cord-cutting if Dish Network follows through with its plan to drop AMC, IFC, WeTV, and Sundance Channel in June. Sapan’s making contingency plans, and they apparently include offering more programming to a streaming service — in effect, encouraging consumers to cancel their pay TV subscriptions. Dish’s decision “creates a competitive opportunity for another platform,” Sapan says. “AMC is among the most critical services one can have to succeed” in pay TV and in the streaming world. “We’re in a fairly strong position.”
Related: AMC Networks Tops Q1 Earnings Estimates As Ad Sales Outpace Rising Costs
It was a pointed rebuttal to Dish Chairman Charlie Ergen’s damaging comment early this week that he plans to drop AMC’s channels because set top box data shows they have low viewership — suggesting that other pay TV providers also might consider them expendable. Sapan says that’s bogus. “We think today AMC in particular is one of the most popular services on the television dial.” The real issue, he says, is that Ergen wants to force AMC to scrap its 4-year-old $2.5B breach of contract suit which involves Dish’s decision to drop the VOOM suite of HD channels. Lawyers will meet with the judge on Tuesday to set a trial date. The judge said in a pre-trial ruling that Dish had destroyed evidence and showed a “pattern of egregious conduct and questionable — and, at times, blatantly improper — litigation tactics.” Sapan says that Dish’s decision to drop AMC Networks is “directly and absolutely related to the litigation” which has “taken a turn for the worse for Dish.” The No. 2 satellite company recently lost its effort to appeal the pre-trial ruling. If Dish retaliates by dropping AMC, then it “is not acting in the best interest of its subscribers,” Sapan says.
The loss of Dish’s 14.1M subscribers could have a “material” impact on AMC’s finances if it lasts a long time, the AMC chief adds. But he danced around a question about whether he needs to spend more on original programming to make his channels less vulnerable to cancellation. “We need to continue what we’ve been doing,” he says. AMC shares spiked 14% this morning after it issued a strong Q1 report, but quickly retreated to +3.2%.


Yeah, try watching a movie on AMC. Should be re-labled Another MotherF*king Commercial. Same with IFC.
“Another MotherF*king Commercial”
TOTALLY. I have loved watching the Fear Fest movie marathon in October, but it is seriously like 25 minutes of commercial time per hour. They turn a 2 hour movie into a 3 hour broadcast (and that’s with cutting scenes short for time!).
“The loss of Dish’s 14.1M subscribers could have a “material” impact on AMC’s finances…”
That’s assuming Dish continues to have 14.1M subscribers. Try telling all the Mad Men and Walking Dead fans they won’t be seeing those shows any longer and see how quickly they switch to DirecTV or their local cable company.
What? All those Mad Men and Walking Dead fans are too ignorant to know that they can buy (or rent from Netflix) each season of the show a few months later?
This will hurt AMC and those other stations more than it’ll hurt Dish who are only looking out for their customers who DON’T want to see increases every few months in their bill just because another station out of over 900 (the majority of which they never even watch) decided to get greedy and demand even more money per month.
Fans are called “fans” for a reason. They’re FANATICS. And the do NOT wait “a few months” for anything.
Wrong. Breaking Bad’s latest season is STILL not on Netflix, even though it ended months ago.
Exactly. Netflix only streams a show once the DVD is released. So Breaking Bad Season 4 won’t be streaming on Netflix til June or July (whenever BB S4 comes out on DVD). All this crap is why I torrent the episodes to watch them in high quality (the cable in my dorm is fuzzy as hell), buy it on DVD when it comes out, rip it to my computer in very high quality, then stream it to my Apple TV.
You sound like you work for dish. You might want to reconsider the ‘ignorant” comments, you do not sound that smart yourself. When I joined DISH the AMC group was part of the services and as long as I pay my bill I expect to keep these channels. I wish that DISH would at least ask me what I want like they did when they were trying to sell me their service.
As a DISH subscriber, when they drop important channels to me it makes it harder to justify the expense. I pay DISH, not AMC so I hold DISH responsible to keep the programming on their system. I agree with the AMC camp on this one, it feels like this has a direct relationship to the law suit. And, DISH’s litigious history also suggests another in a long line of trouble they get themselves into.
The only TV shows I enjoy watching are on AMC, and as I’m preparing to move my plan was to switch from DirecTV to DishNetwork. Not gonna do that if Dish doesn’t keep AMC. And yea…fans want to watch during the current season…not several months later.
I agree totally! I HATE COMMERCIALS!!! Especially when I pay for a channel and still have to watch the blooming things. My motto is skip the channels with commercials. I don’t care how much I like a movie, I refuse to watch with commercials. I know I won’t get to see all the movie or show due to editing for commercial breaks and to make them fit the slot of time.
No Walking Dead = NO DISH… Hello Direct TV
I agree completely, no AMC no Dish, hello Direct TV. They did this with FX last year didn’t they?
They just took ifc off of my dish.. Im cancelling. Fuck em
its still on 393 on my dish
As someone mentioned above, I pay a whole lot to have Dish and I
have had good experiences with them. I called and left a message,
but I am reiterating here that if Dish throws out AMC and IFC, et al – I will have to/& will switch to another server.
I don’t care about litigations. I pay a hell of a lot for my service with Dish and I feel they are responsible for providing
the channels I want & pay for. I won’t get involved in internal struggles among these huge organizations for whatever they are arguing over. They are enormous and wealthy and they have to figure it out or lose curtomers. My sister just told me she feels
the same and so does everyone else I know and spoke to.I simply want good service for the very good money I pay to get it. AMC has shows that I want, so it is in Dish’s ballpark to solve this and make CUSTOMERS HAPPY. That is and always was the DEAL.
No AMC after midnight Mon 6/4. ARRRGH!!
AMC disappeared right in the middle of a show at 10:20PM June 3, 2012. Calling revealed that is was just a “momentary problem” and that AMC and IFC would be back in minutes. When it wasn’t, transferred to a new person who said maintenance was being performed on Dish Channel 130 and 131 and as soon as maintenance was completed, the channels would be back. On pressing for a return date, transfer was make to a 3rd person (40 minutes later) who said Dish had moved AMC and IFC 9609, 9607, 9608 down to the part of their network that reflected the poor quality of their programing and the few people who watched their programing. They are now down with Korean auctions, church television, and Turkish TV – a place no one will find them. The lies about remodeling the “channel” and moving the stations down to the never seen land are in direct conflict with each other.
Dish needs to gets its employees together, practice the lie, make sure they can all repeat the same lie, and let them go on all the folks that will never find AMC, IFC, and WE on Dish. Dish can go to the next court hearing on Sept. 18, 2012 and say: “Look how low these shows are rated in terms of viewership”. I sure hope someone from Dish is there to tell the Court the sneaky crappy manipulation that Dish ran like a Chicago politician. Rob Lagoyovich would thing this underhanded
No notice on the channel, no sign, no warning, right in the middle of a drama, and Dish starts broadcasting a concert on hdNet. Nothing against your Pearl, but we are not interested.
Shame on you Dish Network for lying to your employees and for lying to your customer of 7 years.
In the past, whenever Dish was going to move a channel to a new location, on the old site would be a message “Channel moved to –. That notice would stay for weeks or over a month. In the case of AMC, they do it half way through a program on Sunday night. The poor employees call center sounded like all hell was breaking lose – you could hear the background noise through the phone.
If this is the new way with Dish, like cancelling Sundance, like they did about a year ago, maybe they should get an Indian call center set up just so when they do these s–t moves they can transfer all the calls to foreign folks who can just read scrips and have no idea of the “flim flams” that Dish is good at.
Am I pissed, yes. Am I going to look for options to this crappy outfit called Dish, you bet. I have given them too many thousands of dollars.
Jim in So Calif
AMC disappeared off Dish (at least in Seattle) at 10pm PST. Guess its time to go back to DirecTV. We have no choice, can’t get cable. Either that or have to watch online. What a BS business move.
AMC was the only channel worth watching. I guess I will be going back to cable. I can take the service going off in a storm, but NO AMC I Guess NO Dish
Either bring back amc or I will find another service.
$172 a month and they shut off The Killing 37 minutes into the episode ‘ cause I chose to watch the 10:10pm showing?? Bad business, and bad for dish!
If you don’t want commercials…..DVR and fast forward thru them! Goodbye Dish, hello Direct! Time is ticking. I only watch dish network and I never knew that amc was going away until yesterday, the day that it is did
I love Dish Network for their customer service. If they continue to slash channels because they can’t come to an agreement we will seriously consider another option as much as I hate to switch since our options are more expensive.
I’m a Netflix streaming subscriber and they don’t release anything until it comes to video or they get the streaming rights, which seems to be a tough deal for them.
I’m a cheapskate so it’s likely I’ll just stop watching the shows. I won’t buy the DVD and I won’t pay iTunes. The one option I may consider is purchasing it via Amazon Kindle Fire but that too will depend upon the expense. Most top rated shows are expensive per episode and it’s not necessarily worth it to me.
To everyone who cant find the channels they are not completely gone yet. Just moved to the 9000 channels. Good luck.
I’ve about had it with Dish. We have friends that have DirectTV and they seem to get a lot of bang for their buck. They certainly still have AMC and IFC! If Dish doesn’t correct this then we’re done with them.
If I understand all this correctly the issue really lies in the fact that AMC,IFC,etc.. are becoming available on itunes and Netfix. So, they want to push us to watch it online. Well, I have a flatscreen tv for a reason! If I was going to watch online it would be streamed for free with NO ADS. No way will I pay itunes/ netflix (we will screw you in fees). THANK YOU DISH FOR NOT BEING BULLIED BY THESE JERKS WHO THINK THEY KNOW WHAT I WANT AND WHAT IS BEST FOR ME THE FAN THE VIEWER! This stuff is available next day of airring online for free w/out ads and will always be. SO bite me big corporate jerk Madoffs.
AMC did it to themselves. Dish is dropping them for low viewership making the expense not worth it.
IFC forgot the definition of independent and stopped running independent/foreign films so I quit watching them in favor of 1/2 hour crap shows and Hollywood movies I can see elsewhere.
WE is running shows that have nothing to do with empowering women so I stopped watching them.
AMC channel decided to empower artistes to make their own series rather than showing movies so I stopped watching them.
Sundance was the only decent channel they had left and I’m losing that as collateral damage.
The fool in charge over there thinks it’s everyone else’s fault nobody wants to watch them.
Sorry I got my words mixed up in the IFS comment.
They’re running 1/2 hour crap shows instead of independent/foreign films.
I watched 3 stooges in the 50′s I don’t need to see them again.
I WATCH MORE AMC & mad men & walking dead more than any movie channel.s i also like ifc they have movies & shows I even thre stoges I am 65 bring on maw & PA KEDDLE AN PROGRAMS THAT BRING GOOD MEMORIES LIKE ABBOTT & COSTELO PLEASE DON’T TAKE AMC AWAY/////////?/
What did AMC do with Rubicon? Story matters here? The only thing AMC is interested in is profits and they do not care about the viewer or the story. The only thing that makes AMC watchable is a PVR so you can jump past all the commercials. Bye bye AMC, you greedy (insert word of choice) your not worth wasting my time or money on.
They took amc off at 11pm central time last night. I pay $157 a month Dish TV and I watch and want to watch AMC. Yes the commercials suck, that’s why I dvr it. Goodbye greedy jerkwad subscription tv that doesn’t hardly show anything I like. Hbo, AMC, FX and TNT are about the only channels with decent programming.