That’s the way Derek Chang, DirecTV‘s EVP Content, Strategy and Development, characterizes the state of play after last night when his 20M customers lost Viacom’s 17 channels including Nickelodeon, MTV, and Comedy Central. Negotiators spoke this morning, and “we’re making slow progress,” he tells me. The exec says his company hasn’t decided whether customers might receive a discount or rebate for the loss of so many popular services if the contract dispute drags on. “We’re going to do what we can to keep them happy. How we deal with that specifically will depend on what happens here.”
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Price remains the core issue. Chang says that Viacom wants DirecTV’s payment for the channels to increase by more than 30% in the first year of a new contract followed by “annual escalators well in excess of normal inflators.” Contracts normally run from five to 10 years, but he wouldn’t say how long Viacom’s would last. Chang says that Viacom has “certainly rejected more than a double-digit increase,” but declined to offer additional details about the offers and counteroffers. Viacom has said that DirecTV’s offer is lower than any other distributor. But Chang says “they won’t even tell us what their lowest rates are and have a conversation on that.” He also was skeptical that Viacom could throw in enough digital rights or other sweeteners to get the price increase it wants. “Most economists are fearful of a deflationary environment,” he says. “Can you justify doing certain things because there’s added value? Yeah. But it’s going to be more on the margin than less.” Wall Street analysts estimate that DirecTV currently pays about $2.25 a month for each DirecTV household that receives Viacom’s channels.
Chang’s main message is that DirecTV is “not going to allow our customers to be discriminated against.” He adds that “you can’t absorb a 30% plus increases for your customers without significantly starting to increase their bills….Once that starts to happen, it’s a bad spiral.” That could result in DirecTV making a harder push for the right to offer channels individually instead of in packages. “If programmers are asking for rates that are significantly higher than they’ve been, and they believe that’s what those channels are worth, at some point you have to say, ‘Well then, let the customers pick the ones they want’.” Programmers reject that idea because “they want their cake and they want to eat it too. They want to try to push significant rate increases but then demand that you put the product in front of every customer. And that’s a tough proposition because not every customer watches every channel.” He also noted that ratings for channels including Nickelodeon are way down. “I don’t know how you reconcile 20 to 30% declines in ratings with 30% increases in rates, other than the fact that there’s some symmetry going both ways.”


For the third and final comment…they will settle.
I hope not. I’d rather see DTV continue to play hardball. Sick of these outfits demanding more and more for broadcast rights every year. It’s high time someone drew a line in the sand.
Agreed!
Do you think DirecTV will lower their prices without Viacom’s content? I didn’t think so.
When you bitch at them for charging you the same for less programming, they will laugh in your face (or put you on hold.)
Yeah, play hardball DTV.
EXACTLY!
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I’d rather pay 67¢ more/month to maintain what I have than to pay exactly what I pay now and have 17 fewer channels (2 or 3 of which are watched nearly Daily in my household). Protracted lack of Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert will necessitate a change in provider (and I just bought the HD DirecTiVo in march
Actually, after speaking to a DirecTV rep. I learned that your bill would increase by $7-8 dollars a month if they gave in.
Nope, instead they’re offering a free month of the Encore package to customers.
that would be ok free encore pkg.
I hope Directv wins this. It seems like everything is more about money than the customer. If I didn’t have kids at home I wouldn’t care about those channels. Directv keep playing hardball. I should be able to pay for the channels that I watch not the ones that I don’t watch. I don’t like Comcast or Dish anyway.
I would be THRILLED is this somehow led to the a la carte channel system. All I have ever wanted from a provider is ti let me choose what channels I am willing to pay for. They can still offer packages and allow me to say “for $5 more I get all this other stuff”, but let me choose what I want based on my viewing needs.
Sadly, I doubt this will happen.
Never going to happen, as it would kill niche networks like OWN, IFC, LOGO, etc, and we can’t have that now can we? The providers just have to have their token little special interest channels for those five or so people who would scream bloody murder were they to disappear.
I totally see your point, but wouldn’t some people do the math and take the package deal that includes these channels, while others would just pay for individual channels they watch? I barely watch Starz/Encore HDNet and The Movie Channel (but I do watch Showtime) lineups but it doesn’t make sense for me to drop them from my DirecTV plan, since the Premier package includes them for essentially what I would pay for a lessor package and the a la carte pay channels I do watch.
You can’t tell me that some channel or carrier can’t figure out how to make a la carte options work. They just aren’t being forced to be innovative.
If it happens, you will just pay $1.29 an episode…or thousands per network.
So, if that is the case, and we pay thousands per network, I’ll just select the “package” option and be no worse for wear.
Except that is ignorance talking. If they allowed a total ala carte system it wouldn’t be “for $5 more you get this…” ALL channels would be priced similar to HBO.
Think about it…take a channel like SyFy or Comedy Central. It may average a million and a half viewers if they are lucky most of the time. Now…if people had to pay ANYTHING for it, that may drop to a million or less. So, not only would their advertising dollars fall but they would have to make as much (actually more to make up for the lost advertising) from 1 million subscriber fees as they currently do while getting money for EVERY cable/satellite customer in the country. So…say they currently charge just 40 cents per subscriber…They would be getting 40 cents from each of the 100 million or so cable customers in this country. But if they were now only able to get money from $1 million people, they would have to charge 100 times that much.
So, if you watch just 5-6 channels a month, you would be basically paying the same amount as you are now. The more obscure, lower rated channels you watch, the more you would have to pay since they would have far fewer subscribers to get monthly revenue from. They are the ones being subsidized by the people who want cable for ESPN.
And you may as well say goodbye to the ENTIRE digital tier. Those channels would have no chance of existing.
Although I believe this will be settled, it would be good to begin a customer friendly system where the consumer can purchase only what he or she wants rather than the ‘bundled’ packages now available.
This would be best, but I think Viacom and Direct TV will resolve this. Neither wants this to escalate providing consumers with ammunition to break the current package sales with many channels no one really wants.
I agree ‘ala carte’ should be available choices…but….
Again…that is simplistic thinking. The reality is, for the networks to get the same money as they do now with an ala carte system, EVERY channel would cost $15-20 a month. They would HAVE to. And the channels with fewer viewers would have to charge more.
It is nice to dream of a Shangri-La world where we get everything we want and to hell with what other people want. (like heavy internet users who get mad at the prospect of tiered rates but screaming that cable should be tiered and not “all you can eat” style. But in the REAL world, the prices would make it impossible.
Myth:
People want more channels not more control of
their monthly bill. Current channel bundling is here to stay.
Truth:
More packages will be available before a true
a la carte system takes place over the internet (a few years away). Shows are what matters, channels do not.
In the meantime, Viacom and many other “Channel Bundlers” will be forced kicking and screaming to merge many niche channels together based on their most popular shows. There is so much dead programming between popular shows that MTV2 and Spike could easily merge as an example. Nicks’ will also be reverse splitting to make up for lost ratings.
The niche channels will disappear but their popular shows will just go on to more established channels. I don’t have Logo but their shows are right up VH1′s alley including the constant reruns of viacom movies just like MTV2 and Spike.
Consumer disinterest and channel consolidation is the way to combat channel obesity. DTV and others will continue to balk at higher carriage rates as they reflect the needs of their customers and their bottom line.
This is where the business model of bundlers is heading, and the college and under generation could care less because they DON’T buy cable or satellite! They are and will continue to view shows, NOT channels a la carte online, legal and otherwise. Thanks kids, you are the future, channel obesity is the past.
R. Wooten
I don’t think that’s true at all. When we lived in another part of the country and had a different cable provider, we could add blocks of channels, like 5 channels of children’s programming that included Sprout and Nick Jr., for $2 a month. If Viacom is asking “pennies a day” for all their channels, that doesn’t add up to $15 a month, so I don’t think it’s mathematically reasonable to think one channel would have to cost $15 a month. I have to think they want to force you to have all the channels so that when they sell advertising, they can refer to the 20 million DirecTV subscribers to support their pricing.
I’m tired of all this BS – when last year it was with the FOX networks, it was resolved before the channels were yanked. Then earlier this year, it was with Tribune Entertainment and lost a couple channels for a few days, yet they were still on the channel guide. Today, ALL the Viacom channels were removed from the guide, so I doubt they’ll resolve this, so I’m looking to get my channels somewhere else. Just because I have DTV doesn’t mean I take their side….’cuz you can get Viacom on DISH and COMCAST
Yeah, you can get them on DISH…but you can’t get local channels. Or at least you can’t get them in my area. I have kids, and still don’t watch a single Viacom channel anyway. My kids have better taste then that. lmao
You mean like how Dish lost Viacom’s channels too about 8 years ago and how they just lost AMC? Does Viacom’s latest propoganda ads look familiar? They should because it’s the same ones they used against Time Warner last year…
That is why I stopped watching ABC.
Some said they could go to Comcast or Dish to get the Viacom channels they lost. If it were a choice of going back to Comcast (which was the worst cable service provider on the planet when I had them) or never watching tv ever again. The tv would be in the trash the next morning. Every month the bill had new fees that no one at Comcast could explain!! My guess is they counted on people not reading their bill to catch the bogus charges! Dish gives far less content for what I pay now with Directv. Not to mention their HD channel selection being awful and iffy?? I know Directv isn’t perfect either but Viacom pulling its content from the internet was a no class move. Not only do they not care about Directv customers. They don’t give a damn about any of their customers! That pretty bad.
I’d really love to see Directv play hardball as well. “Ok you want to black out our customers? Double digit increases not good enough, then lets talk double digit drops increasing every day you don’t want to be reasonable.”
I’m a directv customer and I really like some of the content that’s been lost, but I’d rather make due than put up with 30% increases when over 90% is for garbage you couldn’t pay me to watch.
DirectTV pays 5% of their fees to Viacom for 20% of their overall programming.
Something tells me that Viacom will survive. DirecTV won’t.
Those are wonderful numbers you just made up out of thin air!
Bob You are a Moron! 20% where the heck did you come up with that?
Every Directv customer should be ashamed of both Philippe P. Dauman and
Viacom for this blackout that result in the viewers from being able to.
watch their favorite shows with Directv. I feel that Philippe P. Dauman
and Viacom are trying to be like the Neil Bogarts of Casablanca Records.
fame of the 1970?s disco era, the David Smith (one of the Smith brothers.
from Sinclair Broadcast Group), the Harry Pappas as part of the Pappas.
Telecasting Companies, the Bernard Madoff’s, the Enron’s, the.
Worldcom’s, the Adelphia’s, the Tyco’s, and the Martha Stewart’s, of the.
2000?s by letting broadcast greed get out of control so all of the head.
employees and bosses at Viacom to be able to enjoy carefree lavishly.
spending to support carefree lavishly lifestyles with luxurious homes,
luxurious jets, luxurious cars, join luxurious clubs, and have other.
luxurious items just to make them very happy then trying and willingness.
to improve the quality of all the stations they owned and control and.
making the viewers happy as well. I hope and I wish that Philippe P.
Dauman and Viacom get scolded by both by the ACA and the FCC for making.
the viewers being forced to deal with this blackout because they could.
not make a deal to get the stations back to it’s customers sooner and.
with a fair deal with Directv. I hope and I wish that Philippe P. Dauman
and Viacom is barred from buying and owning anymore TV stations in the.
future after their final decision to remove the stations from Directv. I
feel that Philippe P. Dauman and Viacom are trying to bribe like the.
General Tire/RKO General of the 1960?s and 1970?s by not being very.
honest of not only the viewers by making them miss the shows on Directv.
and also on themselves. I hope and I wish that the FCC would force.
Philippe P. Dauman and Viacom to allow Directv to carry it’s stations.
without any interference for 12 whole years to meet FCC rules and.
regulators. I feel that both Philippe P. Dauman and Viacom are way too.
busy being the Rebecca Black Friday and Double Take Hot Problems as well.
as trying be act like the Lyle and Erik Menendez’s as the greedy.
murderers, the Jeffrey Ireland’s and the Patrick Jones’s as the drunks,
the Rodney Dangerfield’s, the John Belushi’s, and the Chris Farley’s as.
the comedians, the John Robert Ewing’s and the Cliff Barnes’s, the.
Charles Montgomery Burn’s, the Homer and Bart Simpson’s, the Peter.
Griffin’s, the Garfield cats, the Cookie Monster’s, the Miss Piggy’s,
the Victor Newman’s of the broadcasting industry of not coming to reach a.
deal with Directv to carry it’s stations to the viewers everyday. I
feel that both Philippe P. Dauman and Viacom are trying to turn into the.
1919 Chicago White Sox’s baseball team and the Southern Methodist.
University football of the 1980?s to force Directv to accept a take it.
or leave it deal to carry it’s stations. I urge all of the viewers with.
Directv to boycott both Philippe P. Dauman and Viacom right now for.
making the Directv viewers suffer from being able to watch their.
favorite shows.
I agree with direct tv F**k viacom. I am a single adult and I could care less about more than half of their stations, tvland was good but now sucks anyway, why should I pay for them?
Don’t cave, Direct tv!
One way or another, Viacom will cave in to DirecTV’s offer (or should I say demands?) to put MTV, Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, Spike and all other Viacom networks back on.
I dont like the channel loss either but i will stand by dtv,im a single mom w no internet and cant afford netflix but i know that ultimately another provider will run into the same issues at a later date..may as well give it half the chance to see what happens.
Viacom just lost 20 Million viewers, what did DTV lose?
What DTV could lose is a customer — me, and others like me. And if I leave I will not leave quietly. Both sides are at fault for using customers as pawns in their business negotiations. Both content providers and content carriers need to stop using this tactic. We the consumers need to say enough is enough. I dropped Cablevision over the YES network fiasco and never looked back, I might drop DirecTV over this and never look back.
Yez, lets get mad at DTV. Why dont you check out the viacom channels websites to watch your shows in the meantime? Oh wait, Viacom nixed there free online episodes today as well….coincidence?! I think not…
The fact that I am paying direct tv right now for these days that I am not receiving the channels that I signed my 2 year contract for and still have 14 months on and can not get out of contract without paying 280 dollars yet they are not holding up theyr side of the contract is bullshit! They should be compensating theyr customers right now! I mean really at this moment they are not having to pay viacom for these channels yet us cuatomers caught in the middle are having to pay YOU DIRECT TV for the channels that you are not paying for so in reality isn’t that fraud?! Aren’t u pocketing money from my pocket each minute I am not able to watch the channels I am currently paying for? And when I call ur csr they tell me to go to a website that I visited to put my opinion yet when I clicked post…..it said my comment would have to be approved before posting! So the only posts shown are customers on ur side……well guess what I am not on ur side or viacoms side! I am on the side of my money I work hard for and ur stealing from me! Let me outta my contract or pay me back the money u payed viacom each month! Assholes!
I called DTV the night the channels dropped and told them I was upset. I was nice to the lady and you could tell how tired she was of the whole Viacom situation. That night they gave me a $5 credit for the next three months. Does it make up for the loss? Not really, but it does help the pocket a little. Will it stop my kids from whining about no Dora or Bubble Guppies, no but we have those recorded to last us a little while. I say what dtv should do is put all the viacom channels in its own little lineup and make it an “extra” package and figure out what customers want to do from there. It would have to make someone happy in the longrun.
Directv is compensating the best that they can right now by offering all of their customers Encore channels. For customers that have premier and choice xtra it is not fair but until they either come to the decision that they will not carry viacom channels anymore or viacom comes off their high horse it is the best that they can do to satify the most of their 20 million customers. They can’t please everyone.
you have a good point .i just had directv added to my home.and have a contract too.
thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats what i was gonna say!!!!!
Those are Viacom numbers that likely include pay channels thus meaningless.
Also as a directv customer since they came into existence I support them even though I watch some of those channels. Just best be sure directv does not try to increase my rates anytime soon.
I am all for ala carte programming. It will change tv forever. You may loose some little stations with big corporate ownership but you also create an opening for smaller grass roots channels to come into existence.
If we don’t get these channals back, does that mean our bills will go down $2.25 a month?
Why don’t you call and find out instead of jumping to conclusions. I clef today and very easily got a credit for the lack of channels. They are doing the right thing, you just need to give them a chance.
I am not please with the channels off directv no warning
For the customers that call us and complain about the channels “we stole” from them, this is for you: First of all, let’s just get this straight. “We” didn’t take anything from you, “we” had our content pulled BY the program provider. In case some of you cannot count on both hands or have the ability to use a calculator, a 30% increase would mean almost a $50 – $60 increase on your bill. If that is what you want, stop calling to bitch about something you don’t care to educate yourself about anyways. Second, the representatives that you call? The ones you call thieves and liars? They listen to the same ranting and crying that your kid has nothing else to live for, or apparently can’t survive without Dora or Sponge… How about we end the obesity issue on those fat little tykes? SEND THEM OUTSIDE TO PLAY!!! Read a book, play a game with them. The social and parental disconnect with kids are the reasons why none of these future unemployed kiddos have no goals, dreams, etc. So please, keep calling in. And tell us how we owe you the world for that Nick channel. It’s not even worth the $5 we are offering, premium services we are showing, and verbal abuse we take. I would be ashamed to call myself a customer if I called in and screamed at someone for 15 minutes. Absolutely horrors of human beings… Thanks for trying to show just how entitle you all think you are.
if you are a csr you should be ashamed! i know its hard to put up with everybodys bitching and ranting all day long but you still have to be the bigger person in these situations. instead of stooping to the level you just did! dtv customers dont understand all the legal things or just every day things that dtv workers go through just to make watching tv enjoyable from day to day!
I totally agree DTV needs to take a stand not cave. Viacom can kiss it because my favorie shows come on a lot of those channels and now that they are no longer available on tv I’m really pissed. If they don resolve it soon viacom will lose a lot of their viewers not Lile they haven’t already!
Both side are in the wrong in one way or another. I watch some of the shows on a handful of these channels. I am upset at the fact that I have to keep paying the same price even though I am not receiving the channels I am subscribed to. Should be some kind of credit on our bills for the interruption. Also I have a 3 year old that watches some of the shows on nickjr. Try explaining to a 3 year old why they can’t watch the shows they like.
Lucky for you, Viacom made a spot with Dora the Explorer bitching about Directv, so maybe you can have Dora explain to your little on why those channels aren’t on. I guess Snooki couldn’t read the cue cards. Keep it classy, Viacom.
From a long time directv customer who left cable in ’97 for the same reasons(greed by a corp), and will NEVER return, I agree and side with directv 100%. I will NOT agree to a price increase now or in the future. I applaud directv and will now and for ever boycott Viacom. I only ask that John Stewart and Stephen Colbert start their own network and sell it to all providers equally and fairly. Until they do that, I will happily find other ways to occupy my time. Comedy podcasts are awesome, and I just downloaded more.
c’mon a la carte system! NO MORE PACKAGES!!!
Actually a 30% increase wouldn’t be $50 or $60. If you figure it out, directv pays Viacom $2.25 per subscriber. That means a 30% increase would end up being roughly 70 cents per subscriber. Which means each subscribers bill should only go up 70 cents or not at all seeing as the cost of cable is way too much already.
I really don’t miss the Viacom Channels at all -Viacom will lose loyal viewers.
Directv is doing the right thing trying to keep costs low for it viewers in the slow economy so I have to respect that fact.
The channels with low ratings and trashy content should be dropped.
You know i am a DTV customer. It annoys me, not pisses me off, that the channels are not available. i understand it is a two way street. However, this will not hurt only one side, both side will lose. I was talking to my wife about this: Why pay for Cable/Satellite when we can get it free or just use Netflix or Hulu? Cheaper but limited I understand. Fortunately, my children do more than just sit in front of a television. They are between 6-10 years old, and haven’t even figured out that the channels they actually watch (Nick,NickJr)are even gone. So why not say farewell DTV AND Viacom? I was thinking about it before this, now this just pushes me to act not think.