
The ongoing dispute between Howard Stern and Jay Leno got a new injection of bad blood when Stern acknowledged on his SiriusXM radio show that an NBC executive (where Stern moonlights as an America’s Got Talent judge) asked him to refrain from Jaybashing. The first thing that comes to mind is: did these NBC execs never listen to Stern’s radio rants on Leno before paying him somewhere around $17 million a year and moving that talent show from Los Angeles to New Jersey to accommodate his radio schedule?
Stern’s bad feelings about Leno go back to the time that the latter hired away Stern staffer “Stuttering” John Melendez without asking Stern if it was okay. Since then, the bashing has been relentless, particularly after Conan O’Brien was given the Tonight Show and was undercut by a Leno moved to prime time, which was a disaster that contributed to Jeff Zucker losing his job at NBC. Stern and all of the rival late night hosts, including David Letterman and Jimmy Kimmel have all been vocal in their dislike over the way Leno handled things (though I never understood why nobody gave O’Brien the same kind of grief when, after taking an NBC buyout in the $30 million range, took the TBS job when George Lopez moved his chat show time slot to accommodate O’Brien, with Lopez’s show getting scrapped not long after). While the press is filling in the dog days of summer with speculation that Stern might not return to AGT or that NBC won’t want him, this seems a bit silly. Stern’s a good judge on that show, he seems to like it, and his humorous rapport with Howie Mandel and Sharon Osbourne is more fun to watch then most of the wannabes they are judging. It is impossible to imagine NBC would expect to throw a muzzle on Stern. While Stern has embraced some former enemies like Rosie O’Donnell and Chevy Chase on his own terms, he needs a few punching bags for his radio show and Leno will likely continue to be one until Stern retires. And any suggestion he stop talking is waving a red cape in front of a bull. Here’s a tape of Stern’s response, but don’t listen with the kiddies around because it’s uncensored:


Re: Conan and George Lopez – it’s probably because, when they made the announcement, they had Lopez come out and say that he was for the change. That, and people like Conan.
Howard also contends that “JayWalking,” Leno’s signature bit, is stolen from the Stern show.
They love playing a phony TONIGHT SHOW ad from the Letterman show, narrated by Edd Hall, which runs down everything you will see on Leno:
“The bit he stole from Steve Allen, the bit he stole from Howard Stern, the announcer he stole from Howard Stern. And I’m Edd Hall.”
It goes back further than the Stuttering John incident — Stern has bashed Leno for years, mostly because he has felt that Leno has ripped off bits from Stern’s show (such as Jaywalking).
And I thought it was pretty clear that Lopez himself ok’ed the move for Conan. In fact, I figured it was a smart move for him as an effort to get a stronger lead-in to save his own show (which ultimately didn’t work). That was made very clear in the press, and it’s not like Lopez has said anything to dispute that.
It is my understanding that George Lopez was already on the way out when Conan came aboard at TBS, but Conan only signed if they also kept Lopez, so they moved him to midnight.
O’Brien’s contract was breached of course he took thr money. And George Lopez encouraged Conan to move to TBS. He did nothing wrong.
Mike Fleming… Conan’s was OWED money per the terms of his contract with NBC. The payout was LESS than the remainder of his contract, but he took a lower amount so that he’d be able to shorten the non-compete to work elsewhere (and a large chunk of that money went to pay his staff, as I understand it). Conan only agreed to take the TBS gig once he was assured by Lopez himself that the move was ok (and, let’s be honest, Conan taking the TBS gig likely forced TBS’s hand into renewing Lopez’s show a year longer than they should have).
Leno, on the other hand, had agreed to and announced 5 years prior that he’d be stepping down from the Tonight Show, and then changed his mind about 4 years into that arrangement, so NBC scrambled to find a way to have their cake and eat it too. Conan doing an 11:35 Tonight show wasn’t the wild card here, it was Leno at 10pm… so Leno is the one that should have lost a show. Yeah, the 12+ 11:35 Conan ratings weren’t gangbusters, but neither were Leno’s when he first took the gig back in the 90′s (remember NBC almost booted Leno to give the job to Letterman)… and Leno had been given time to build an audience. THAT’s why the public sides with Conan on this… even though this was fueled mostly by NBC’s greed in action, Leno is the one who killed NBC at 10pm, killed the affiliates’ 11pm local newscasts, and therefore badly wounded Conan’s baby steps as a Tonight Show host.
I’m not really sure what there isn’t to understand about what happened with Conan-Lopez. Lopez publicly stated that he gave the okay to O’Brien to take his spot and that he essentially pleaded with him. The cancellation was a business decision, not politicking on the part of Conan, like Leno at NBC. It was a matter of circumstance, whereas what Leno did was malicious, not to mention that it had precedent thanks to the fact he did the same thing to Letterman in the 90s.
But Conan and his people did “politicking” at NBC back in the early 2000s, in order to push Leno out of Tonight. And they temporarily succeeded. Read Bill Carter’s book if you don’t believe it.
Nobody gave Conan grief for bumping Lopez because Lopez actually wanted him there. The hope was that TBS would get its own late night block, and Conan would boost Lopez’s ratings. It didn’t happen that way, but left alone, Lopez was headed toward cancellation anyway.
Without Howard AGT is unbearable and a complete bore. Osborne & Mandel are both your stereo-typical Norma Desmond’s and offer nothing to an already pointless show. Stern breathes an air of freshness into a stale model by not blatantly pandering to an audience or corporations with forced quips or hand motions looking to be branded. He treats it as an actual contest, challenging the others to step up their game along with the contestants and manages to garner the program a ittle respect. It far succeeds the other “talent” programs in tolerability for older viewers, returning it to a classic format before Hollywood bottom dwellers became the headline for a talent show. If NBC beliIeves audiences are tuning in Mandel & Osborne, they have another coming.
Conan O’Brien asked George Lopez if it was okay before moving his show, and that was the primary difference. Lopez’s show was already on the chopping block and the comedian speculated that having a powerful lead-in might help him survive the inevitable TBS boot.
No one gave Conan flak for moving to TBS because he said he wasn’t going to do it because he didn’t want to be labeled a hypocrite. However, Lopez convinced him to come.
very much enjoyed listening to that clip
“I never understood why nobody gave O’Brien the same kind of grief”
Probably because Lopez literally called O’Brien himself and begged him to take the slot.
The only reason Conan took the job at TBS is because George Lopez gave Conan his blessing. That’s the reason Conan doesn’t deserve the “grief.”
The people who believe that Lopez “begged” Conan to come to TBS and take his time period must be the same ones who believe that Jay happily turned “Tonight” over to Conan.
Conan demanded the Tonight Show slot and got it, pushing Leno out (albeit temporarily). He also pushed out Lopez. Go read Bill Carter’s book if you don’t believe this.
This whole issue is so stupid. NBC should not have promised Conan the show when Leno was still getting good ratings. Also, while Conan can be extremely funny (particularly in bits like 1860′s baseball and those sorts of things), he was not very good when he hosted the “tonight show”; thinking that he had to somehow adjust his style to appeal to “middle america” or whatever. The “Tonight Show” itself doesn’t mean anything, it was a big deal when Johnny Carson hosted it because any show that he hosted would have been a big deal.
God bless George Lopez, but his schtick got tired, real, real quick. He has a lot of hackneyed Latino stereotypes that he beats like a drum. It is actually pretty funny, but not when it is repeated every night. Plus, he didn’t really have any creative bits to air.
It didn’t work for him. He was heading for cancellation, no doubt. Conan may or may not have extended his run, but he was on the way out.
“though I never understood why nobody gave O’Brien the same kind of grief when, after taking an NBC buyout in the $30 million range, took the TBS job when George Lopez moved his chat show time slot to accommodate O’Brien, with Lopez’s show getting scrapped not long after”
Because Lopez’s show was always going to be scrapped. Its ratings were bad, not because it was at midnight, but because it was never, ever funny.