A jury will decide whether Warner Bros Television owes the producers and creators of Smallville $100 million in damages. In a five-page ruling released Tuesday, Judge Michael Johnson cited a number of “triable issues” in the conflict of interest case. In doing so, he rejected WBTV and other WB defendants’ motion for summary judgment over the show about the young Superman. The case will now likely go to trial sometime in mid-2013.
In the suit, first filed in March 2010, Tollin/Robbins Productions and Smallville co-creators/writers Miles Millar and Alfred Gough claim that WBTV signed low-balling licensing deals with the WB and later the CW that were not at the requisite arms-length nor conducted with the good faith that they should have been. Smallville debuted on the WB Network on October 21, 2001. It ran until May 13, 2011, ending on the CW, which itself debuted in 2006 after the merger of the WB and CBS’ UPN. The producers and co-creators allege that this apparent cozy relationship between different elements of the Warner Bros corporate entity allowed the company to dramatically reduce the value of Smallville and hence their share of the show’s profits. WBTV of course disagreed and the parties have been at each other in the courts ever since.
For instance, as Judge Johnson noted, “WBTV argues that Plaintiffs’ damages are speculative because they cannot establish greater profits if the Series had been licensed to Fox or another network or if the Series’ license agreements had contained more favorable terms.”
In his ruling, based on an August 28 hearing, Johnson also pointed out that “WBTV argues that it did not breach any of its express or implied contractual duties with Plaintiffs because it had the absolute discretion to determine the terms of its license agreements and to do business with its affiliates.” He then added that Plaintiffs have demonstrated triable issues regarding these provisions: whether WBTV complied with its arms-length obligations, whether a provision which proposed to add that the agreements be “for fair market rates consistent with licenses granted by Warner to non-affiliates” was included in the Producers’ MAGD (Modified Adjusted Gross Definition); whether the absolute discretion clause applies to the Producers without limit; and whether the Producers’ MAGD inherently included the equivalent of an affiliate, arms-length provision. These triable issues prevent summary adjudication of both the express and implied contractual claims.” Warner Bros. had no comment on the ruling today. Plaintiffs Tollin/Robbins Productions, Killara Productions and Leonardtown Productions are represented by the Santa Monica firm of Kinsella Weitzman Iser Kump & Aldisert.
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Oh Tom Welling, how I miss you! Such angel face he gives. Makes me want to do naughty, naughty things.
Some decorum, please! You’re talking about Superman, the All American Hero.
I don’t really understand what the issue is.
Is Tollin/Robbins saying they didn’t receive a fair deal?
And can’t WBTV decide what it wants to pay in licensing fees?
And did they not both sign contracts?
I think the argument is that because Warner owns the Superman property, and they own DC Entertainment, and they own The WB/The CW, they essentially “sold” the show to themselves for very favorable terms, meaning that a larger network may have made a better offer had it been offered to the wider marketplace but it was not. Warner’s counter-argument is that if you took it to Fox, you’d have got more money per year but it’s impossible to say how much more, and it’s pretty difficult to guess whether another network with less vested interest in DC Entertainment/Superman would have stuck with it in the later years as ratings dipped.
I don’t even think another network would have picked up something like Smallville. It’s written so that it could only work with the CW audience which has a number of similar shows targeting that age group.
ABC/CBS/Fox have tended to steer clear of superheroes or ended up with canceled shows. The upcoming Joss Whedon series seems to be the first mainstream push after the success of the Avengers. Who knows if that will make it past the pilot.
This just seems like a money grab by the producers using a weak argument.
$100 million?????? o_O
Well this explains why Smallville hasn’t made it to Netflix or Amazon Prime yet. This lawsuit may be a blessing for Warner because people won’t be able to get their Superman fix before the new movie opens next Summer.
thewb.com has all full episodes ! thank GOD
Where did you see ALL the new episodes? I only say 6 full episodes and the rest were clips
This sounds like bs to me.
With the ratings that this show had it would have been cancelled on any other station. It was only because the show was kept “in-house” that they were able to reach 10 seasons despite weak ratings.
“But any other station” would have had better ratings. Home video sales bare this out. People wanted to watch it and were willing to PAY to watch it. But they didn’t get or didn’t want the CW.
The only people who will make money are the lawyers.
I would love to get Smallville on Netflix. All this legal fighting is very taxing on fans, who are the only ones who really suffer.
If it had gone to Fox, there’s no way it would have ran for 10 seasons. Might have gotten 2 tops. No idea where the $100 million figure comes from.
Maybe it come from WB’s self-admitted 2nd most profitable tv franchise, even with sweetheart deals depressing gross. Why are you on this site fanboi? It’s not our job to school you in the obvious.
True,I’m tired of this fanboys who think the show didn’t made any money! if they admitted that Smallville is their 2th most profite tv show of all time why do they think it wasn’t worthed enough money or that nobody watch it.
10 seasons averaging a Nielsen audience of 4.3 million, multi-million dollar DVD revenue, iTunes downloads, dozens of promotional tie-ins, graphic novels, webisodes and a Netlfix/Streaming media deal pending…. Yeah, no idea where they’re getting that $100 million figure.
I love how these giant media entities try and convince everyone outside of their own accounting department that their companies make little to no profit on everything they produce. At some point there’s going to be a meeting between Marvel/Disney and Joss Whedon and the lawyers will try to convince him that The Avengers gross just barely covered the studios initial investment.
Companies like Warner Bros don’t keep a show on the air for 10 seasons because they’re in the business of making fans, “feel good.” The idea that Smallville wouldn’t have survived elsewhere is both ridiculous and yet irrelevant. The WB kept making more episodes of Smallville because it was profitable.
The same goes for Fringe and Fox. If I read another goddamned story about how grateful the fans should be to Fox for keeping such a low-rated series on the air I’m going to vomit in a bag and send it to Kevin Reilly. Fox kept making more Fringe because it was beneficial to there bottom line. It may not have been a traditional Neilsen success, but somewhere in the process Fox found enough popularity to keep it going until they no longer could justify the cost of the show.
I just looked it up, and you’re more than doubling the show’s average ratings, which was less than 2 million viewers per episode.
the show’s finale’s “huge” spike in ratings was 3 million viewers.
easily googlable.
I looked up your look up and discovered you are another fanboy idiot who can’t read ratings. Clay is correct on all points. Can fanboys please stop trying to look stupid? It is embarrassing to the fanboy part of me. This is an INDUSTRY site. Go speak your nonsense on a fanboy forum ghetto somewhere. Stop embarrassing me!
-__- read a bit more carefully bobbyg. He was averaging the entire 10 seasons. The show got anywhere from 4-6+ million viewers during it’s first 6 seasons. 7 & 8 were in the 3 millions, and 9 & 10 were in the 2 millions. that averages out to 4.3 smh
Fox under Peter Roth (who is now at WBTV )helped make this deal with the X-Files.The X Files creator sued and won. In the United States it’s legal to hide the bottom line until a judge says they have to show the inside numbers.. There is no legal transparency. The only way to get your money is to sue.
WBTV will settle with the plaintiffs because they aren’t going to want to open their cooked books and show them to a judge.
Given the ephemeral nature of television and film distribution it’s never easy to prove damages in the world of Coulda/Woulda/Shoulda. Would “Smallville” have earned more if it had been subject to competition rather than in-house consumption? Was it kept in production to make the new network look more successful that it really was? Was “Smallville” used as a carrot in the WBTV-UPN merger? Plaintiffs will have to provide data from comparable properties and argue for their set of variables.
It would be lovely to nail Time-Warner for sweetheart dealing and even lovelier if Time-Warner offered, as defense, that a sweetheart deal is what kept “Smallville” alive. At stake here is not just whether the series could have thrown off more revenue, but also the very nature of deficit financing, rolling breaks, cross-collateralization, and the diversion of the revenue stream. What should emerge is not the bottom line but the process of getting there — and shall we take bets that this case will be settled out of court if it looks like that will be the path to adjudicating it?
It’s always about getting enough episodes for syndication and they knew it would be a monster in dvd sales.I sure the hell have all ten seasons.
Top 10 in DVD sales every single season for ten years?
That’s over a BILLION dollars in dvd sales alone. Which is all WARNER BROS.
Yeah, that show made some ridiculous money.
Aye good 1 all american when he is from kripton you tit lol
I want smallville on Netflix!!!!!! I can’t stand watching all these different series with 10-22 episodes. Plus I’ve already watch all 6 seasons of lost 3 times over the years and just recently watched all 7 seasons of supernatural and am waiting on the 8th I finished the series Merlin which is 52 episodes (4seasons) in two weeks and have watched prison break. So in other words I’m dying for a series I can divulge myself deep into like smallville and then get pissed when it ends like every other series hahahah
If this show had went to Fox, they would have canceled it faster than a meteor shower hitting earth. I was watching Terminator SC Chronicles and they screwed that up and that was a decently written show to me. And “Hero’ got canceled on NBC, but it just got stupid that last season anyways. This is the first time something like this worked in the fans best interest. 100 million (?) extra payout would have meant canceled show.