SUNDAY AM 2ND UPDATE: The big news is that washed-up Arnold Schwarzenegger flopped in 10th place playing a washed-up lawman in The Last Stand (2,913 theaters). “Nobody wants to see Arnold,” one rival studio exec giggled to me. Lionsgate should demand its money back from Arnie who clearly can’t open a movie anymore even with a ‘B’ CinemaScore from audiences. Pic made only a pathetic $6.7M for the 3-day weekend and no more than $7.7M for the 4-day holiday. I don’t think that even covers Schwarzenegger’s cigar bill. The actioner featuring The Guvernator’s first solo comeback to the big screen was just one of the major releases that opened for the long Martin Luther King holiday weekend. Saturday’s business “was shockingly good,” execs told me, once again demonstrating that the theatrical business is kicking butt with audiences even if Arnold isn’t. Bombing as well was Emmet-Furla/New Regency’s critically panned dramatic thriller Broken City (2,620 theaters) breaking Mark Wahlberg’s long string of box office hits. Also starring Catherine Zeta-Jones and Russell Crowe (thankfully, not singing) and distributed by Fox, it debuted only #5 and finished with a sorry $9.5M for the 3-day weekend and $10.9M for the four day holiday. That star power should have generated at least $25M for the MLK weekend with its ‘B’ CinemaScore from audiences.
No question that Universal’s supernatural thriller Mama (2,647 theaters) - “presented” by Guillermo Del Toro to lend it credibility – debuted #1 Friday and stayed tops through Monday with an overperforming $28.1 for the 3-day weekend and $33.2M for the 4-day holiday. ”This is an incredible result for a little film. We think it was the advertising on Twilight [Breaking Dawn Part 2] and the really scary trailer targeted to girls,” a Uni exec preens. It succeeded despite an unimpressive ‘B-’ CinemaScore from audiences. I can’t recalll when an actress was in Hollywood’s top two films, but Jessica Chastain snags that honor after last weekend’s topper, her Annapurna Pictures/Sony Pictures’ Zero Dark Thirty (2,946 theaters after 5 weeks) came in #2. The chameleon looks almost unrecognizable as a brunette in the new comer.
I’m surprised that Universal Pictures didn’t take the time with me to publicize more fully Del Toro’s role in this $15 million budgeted hit film, trying to dismiss him as “only as an executive producer”. In fact Guillermo took the original short film by Andy Muschetti and, from the moment of inception, developed it hand-in-hand. Del Toro even did informal passes on the screenplay. He chose Neil Cross as the co-writer for the project (they had worked together on Mountains Of Madness), then took the film to Universal where he
actively campaigned for a greenlight and cast Nikolaj Coster-Waldau and Jessica Chastain (working with her
agents and manager himself). He even located the production offices in Pinewood Studios where he was prepping and would shoot Pacific Rim so he could be available and ready to assist Barbara and Andy Muschetti. I’m told that Del Toro would revise Andy’s storyboards every day before call, go through dailies, and work in the editing room. He chose the composer Fernando Velazquez to score because they had worked together twice already (on Orphanage and Julia’s Eyes). ”Guillermo was present at all crucial stages of pre- and post- production, including color timing and final mix,” a rep tells me. “He worked closely with Universal on the movie’s campaign and launch – to the point that ‘A Mother’s Love Is Forever’ was his suggested tagline at the very first meeting he spent pitching the feature for Universal.”
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My two favorite new words…”Arnold Flops”.
Ha!
I’m also glad to see Arnie get his just desserts. Like Lance Armstrong, Arnie is a sociopathic liar who has destroyed the reputations of anyone who dared to tell the truth about his philandering and sexual harassment. Now after years of deceit and predatory behavior he expects forgiveness?
I’m no fan of Schwarzenegger, but your assertion that he “has destroyed the reputations of anyone who dared to tell” is an extremely bellicose accusation. Unless you can provide at least two names, it would seem that you are also no stranger to lies.
Google is your friend, Cindy. Do a search for “Schwarzenegger harassment” if you want an education on the many women that Arnold preyed upon then branded as them as liars.
Cindy..
Interesting response… (no sarcasm intended)
Misuse of the term, “bellicose.”
Cindy – Google is your friend. As others have said to you – Google “Schwarzenegger harassment”. You’re the one that’s uninformed.
why shouldn’t the think that way, Bill Clinton gave him a blueprint.
“Arnold preyed upon”….or did you mean the number of women that threw themselves at his feet. Ever see the video of a woman holding on to Tommy Morrison s leg as he tried to go thru an airport? Or the number of women chasing Dennis Rodman when he was popular? Before you unfairly chastise Arny, don’t forget that there 1000′s of gold diggers chasing his ass every day. Yeah, he did what so many other men would do (or wish they could do).
Standing and appluading at this!!! Well Done!!!
Arnie has done more than your entire extended family, alive and dead, ever will get close to….and you criticize? Ha ha ha
I will wait until the movie become DVD or better yet on my cable channel where I could look at it without anybody knowing that I am watching it.
Why? Reviews aren’t terrible.
Could it be that, after earning millions of dollars starring in violent shot-em-ups and then displaying his hypocrisy by coming out against the 2nd Amendment, people are voting with their wallets?
I was one of his biggest fans and I am going to wait until it comes out on TV. I can sit and clean my guns while watching.
you are spot on man!
That is my thinking, also, Justsomeguy ‘after earning millions of dollars starring in violent shot-em-ups and then displaying his hypocrisy by coming out against the 2nd Amendment, people are voting with their wallets?” I know his statement ticked me off
I’m gonna wait until it comes out on Turner Classic Movies on dish.
or AMC! lol
Arnold is FLOPTASTIC. And FLOPNIFICENT!
Arnold Flops … That’s not what the maid said !!
Arnold is no Bogart! He never could recite more than one line. Somehow, he made millions off of his lack of talent. Laurel & Hardy had more talent than this guy. But, that says a lot for the idiots who will pay to see his talentless performances. Doesn’t say much about Americans.
His “talent” is equal to that of our dumbest one-liner sitcoms,except his movies have no laugh track.
freecheese:
Based on your shotgun blast of sophomoric insults, I offer three pieces of advice:
1. Grow up.
2. Deal with your anger issues. Hint: Work things out with Mommy & Daddy.
3. Change your screen name from freecheese to SMEGMA.
I laughed my ass off!
Why drag Laurel and Hardy into this mess? Those guys could act circles around Arnold and most of the rest of the cast.
I agree. I love L&H and this comparison is egregious.
Are you seriously implying that Laurel and Hardy had no talent? That’s the most ridiculous statement of the day…
He was crooked, lying governor and a flop as a human being.
Who cares!!!!
It’s a freek’n movie.
Get a life
Thank you for pointing that out to these fools. I have no doubt that everyone of these half wits would gladly kiss Arnold’s ass in a hot second if they thought their cause could be furthered.
How come no ones mind if it is a democrat, like say, Teddy, Bobby, JFK, Hart, Weiner, LBJ, FDR, MLK, Jesse Jackson, and last but not least, the most popular ex-pres, compulsive womanizer in years: Clinton?
@angie brabant, MLK was a republican. Just thought I would clear that up.
MLK was not a member of either party, and he opposed and supported members of both parties politically at different times in his life. He was active during a political realignment. If you look at his work toward the end of his life, it becomes clear that his remaining conflict with Democrats was from the left.
because they cannot properly he a hypocrite if they denounce the behavior of those on their side of the line. pointing to the other side of the aisle proclaiming ‘look at what he is doing’ while lacking the same gumption to point out similar activity on their side allows them to keep their hypocrisy intact.
For once some good news!
Any movie with Johnny Knoxville in it gets taken down a few levels, when you stick no talent people in movies who can’t act your bound to produce a flop.
Flop?! Bullgogie…
The theater was to capacity if not sold out @ Saturday 7:40PM show.
Standard Arnold delivery, you get what you can expect. The plot, directing, scenery and shooting was above his average movies. This is probably the first time he felt completely natural on the screen for me.
Go Arnold, critiques be damned!!!!!
better then I expected
Clearly, like Clint, Arnold will fight an uphill battle trying to make a film and get positive press about it due to his political persuasion… no matter how good it is. He gave a performance worthy of an Oscar, were Oscars available to conservatives, but we’ll watch your insider’s club give that “award” to this year’s latest liberal joke (Haley Berry? Cher? give me a break). And this film is simply outstanding, but only an open-minded conservative will admit that in public. Maybe Jeannine Garofolo will win this year’s Best Female Actor Oscar and Ted will win Best Picture.
But as bad as you liberal whackos want to believe that Matt Damon and George Clooney can act, telling the world that is just your version of “keeping them barefoot and pregnant” and will continue to keep the liberal’s only “industry” in its death spiral. Sad efforts to use theater to recreate history in the liberal model, like Lincoln, is an example of you getting what you deserve.
The Last Stand is a great movie…a classic. See it and decide for yourself….but don’t tell anybody.
Karma. Arnold deserves shunning in every way. The reduced sentence pardon on his last day as governor to a convicted murderer was both unconscionable and reprehensible. He did it because the murderer was the son of Arnold’s friend in California’s legislator.
My husband and I saw it the other night and it was a joke. It was opening night and there were probably 12 people in the whole theater.
Can somebody tell how people know before the opening night, that the movie is bad? We had no idea this was a bad movie until we saw it. I want to save myself the time and money if I can get in on the secret.
Denise, it’s no secret, simply look up the movie on Rotten Tomatoes.
Arnold flops and still makes more on it than you will in a 50 lifetimes…still gonna make 20 mill of it..and he brought in 7.7 mil himself where Walberg, crowe, and zeta jones brought in a 11 so how big a flop is he..
I think it’s strange how people much prefer to enjoy failures than successes. Here we are told that Mama – a strange film to sell, interesting trailer, interesting Ex Producer, crushes it at the box office. I saw the film, not sure what to think and was hoping for some dissection on this site – yet 268 comments talking about Arnold and his flop….and loving it…..
Memo to you all. Arnold will be fine. Your feelings about him mean nothing. He’s been leaving a path of destruction behind him for 30 years – yet, always managed to get very rich off of fans. The director, studio, crew, other actors suffer here. Not Arnold. He just keeps on smiling, lying and moving forward. Just ignore.
Mama? Did anyone see it?
too bad mama will suffer next week against movie 43
??? A sketch comedy is going to effect Mamma? Kentucky Fried Movie was 1975? this is 2013.
Or Amazon Women On The Moon for that matter.
Wow. It looks like a fun film to me and plan to see it at the matinee next week. Wonder what Annapurna’s gonna do now with the Terminator reboot they are planning which was supposed to focus on Arnold. Can he still carry internationally??????
Sounds like a big risk now.
You’re such a bitch, Nikki.
OK, then …
i am not in the business, and don’t even live in california, but i love this site and i love ms. finke (even though she does annoy me periodically by deleting my comments). with a (literally) uncountable number of awards shows, the industry congratulates itself enough — i am glad to have a site that i can read for honest, critical, insightful analysis and commentary. i find the business side very interesting to read about, even though the people on both the business and talent side seem nauseating to an outsider. without deadline, i am not sure where i could find this information.
VERY annoying when comments are deleted.
Yes, it is.Both of mine were, since they were in support of Schwarzenegger and against the hypocrisy of Hollywood and those who love to talk about certain people, but not others since they’re on the Left. Ah, the media. So REAL and unbiased.
Not to point out the obvious, but letting industries pick who reports on them isn’t reporting, it’s PR at that point because no industry is going to pick any person other than somebody who will promise up front that they will fellate said industry. And snark is an integral survival tool for dealing with ideologues like you who can only see the industry through rose colored glasses. It’s also an needed because the industry is perpetually shining rainbows up their own asses and circle jerking to their visionary genius not to mention the army of spin masters that will tell you their shit is gold and their rival’s gold is shit. Hollywood needs a jaundiced eye on it and Nikkie fills that role superbly. Regardless of you disdain for her style, she’s a breath of fresh air in a town that is perpetually ego stroking and ego destroying.
Thank you for that true comment.
In keeping with your remark…..lots of “us” are tired of the BS being reported as “news” (or instead of news) by CNN, ABC, ETC…
I will never patronize an Arnold movie while I’m on this earth after the way he walked out on his wife and kids AND pardoned his buddy’s criminal kid on his last day as Gov. of Ca.
He committed adultery; but didn’t ‘walk out’ on his wife and kids. Maria KICKED him out.
He “walked out” on the state of California when he was governor. He never did one brave thing, just used his office to pose and play at politics. Governor Brown just submitted a balanced budget. I don’t care who Arnold screws or how many times, in his private life. But leave my state alone.
He was never an actor and he was never a governor.
Governor Brown submitted a balanced budget?Balanced on who?Arnold was never a great actor,but it’s a movie,not real life.Let’s stick to movies,not loony political worship of the inept retread governor.This movie will probably find it’s audience once it’s out on DVD.At least it didn’t have the screeching Sally Field,or yelling-is-acting Tommy Lee Jones chewing the available scenery.
Hate to break it to you but Browns ‘balanced budget’ is just as phony as the effects in the movies.
Still, Arnold walked out on his wife and kids by committing adultery. That shows Arnold isn’t faithful to either his wife or kids.
Not to defend Arnold, but Maria knew going in he was “European” about sexual mores. And she’s a Kennedy after all. But, with the maid? Who has a kid from Arnold? That would be too much for any woman. Even with affairs acknowledged, or accepted, a lack of discretion is bad form. Me, I don’t understand the appeal of affairs. One woman at a time is hard enough. And I think only a rich man can afford a mistress, because they cost more than wives.(!)
The Last Stand will pick up tonight, and the weekend. It’s R rated, so it won’t have much to report until this evening.
The Last Stand will not pick up. The trailer was terrible and the film looks like a by the numbers production.
Movie 43 will BOMB hard next week. As will Parker and Hansel & Gretel. Mama will repeat next week. As for The last stand, the night hasnt begun, business will pick up for that. It’s getting very decent reviews. Probably the best choice out of the new releases. Mama looks boring. Broken City looks typical.
@Ismal:
With all due respect, I wonder if this is your first time reading about box office? All of these films are expected to generate more revenue in the evening. The opening-day estimates incorporate this anticipated uptick, based on performances of similar films. Even so, it seems highly unlikely “The Last Stand” will triumph as the weekend winner.
I don’t know why people are surprised. “The Last Stand” is a niche film marketed towards those who enjoy 80s throwbacks. Lacking any broader appeal and hindered by an unwelcome Johnny Knoxville, the film is lucky to be faring better than “Dredd”. “Parker” may fail for the same reason: Few people get the joke, and even fewer people care.
On the other hand, I suspect “Movie 43″ could surprise. It likely sucks, but that brand of humor has opened well in the past. If “Meet the Spartans” can open to $18 million, then “43″ ought to, too.
Man, you know times have changed when an action picture starring Arnold Schwarzenegger is being written off as a “niche film”.
If times haven’t changed, then why are people blaming Lionsgate’s marketing campaign? Thirty years ago, the same promotional effort would have made “The Last Stand” a success.
The fact is, people just don’t care for these high-concept, self-aware semi-parodies of outdated action films. Modern audiences do not pay to watch these films; they ridicule and reject them. Jason Statham specializes in this stuff, and while he has his appeal, he seldom gets a movie to $30m.
“The Last Stand” is probably no worse than the upcoming “Hansel & Gretel” or “Snitch”, but it will probably trail them at the box office. Why? Because, as you say, times have changed. If times hadn’t changed, “The Last Stand” wouldn’t even exist.
Ever hear of EXPENDABLES 1&2?
I can’t find EK’s reply button so I’m replying using your reply button.
Expendables 1 and 2 both had a massive roster of well known, albeit older, action heroes in them. If The Last Stand had a similar ensemble cast it probably would’ve done much better because each start would’ve brought in some of their fans. Arnold doesn’t have many fans left because of his personal choices to diddle the maid and Governate in a state that hates Republicans.
I thought Hansel and Gretel might bomb, too, but if Texas Chainsaw 3D made it to #1…
No comparison, D.Z. ‘Texas Chainsaw 3D’ was pitched perfectly at its audience and hit the bullseye. ‘Hansel and Gretel’ had a troubled history and, boy, does it show. It’s an absolute car wreck of a movie but one that is not worth slowing down to gawk at.
You’re right about Chainsaw. More fun than I thought it was gonna be, too.
@SR
I agree
Mama looks like horse garbage. Like what 55 said Mama will get its butt kicked next week up against movie 43 and parker
Parker will fail mainly because of Jennifer Lopez.
Saw Mama last night and it was a dandy little ghost story with a lot of heart. The CGI wasn’t the best and there were some faws in the script, but it was effectively creepy and Chastain and Coster Waldau were great.
Five bucks says ZDT slips to #3 by Sunday.
Are you the same person who said Zero Dark Thirty was tanking four weeks ago? What’s your beef?
You owe us five bucks.
Jessica Chastain at #1 and #2!
I’m wondering what open road films is thinking about now about releasing Arnold next film Ten. Next January….. 01.24.14
Sorry Arnold, but you’re no Jessica Chastain.
thank GOD for that!! In zerodark she was just as cheesy as Arnold…but at least Arnold knows he’s cheesy – and he embraces it.
Right, she was totally miscast in ZDT. Hard not to laugh when her character got angry. Guess that warrants a best actress nom any day… And yes, there SHOULD BE Casting oscars!
“Sorry Arnold, but you’re no Jessica Chastain.” Hell, he’s no Jessica Tandy (or Jessica Alba, for that matter).
Is anyone really surprised that Arnold flopped? He’s been out of the game now, for what … a decade? He’s an arrogant hasbeen who cheated on his family. He’s been surpassed as an action movie idol by Adonis (aka) Dwayne Johnson. … Arnold, go home. retire and enjoy your money. Your time has passed!
MAMA #1! Good campaign. Well made, scary movie. Way to go GDT!
Arnie still has The Tomb to come this year, but I think Ten will be the one that breaks him back into the bigger league. Conan will cement it.
That’s why we love her, right? Hahaha
The Black List 2008:
1st Place) THE BEAVER: 62% Rotten, less than 1MM domestic.
2nd Place) THE ORANGES: 32% Rotten, 366K domestic.
3rd Place) BUTTER: 35% Rotten, 105K domestic.
8th Place) BROKEN CITY: 26% Rotten.
You can blame directors or studio interference as much as you want, the bottom line is that no one knows anything. The development execs who have never written anything have no idea about quality, and The Black List is not a measure of anything. It’s a fun and awesome list in many ways, and Franklin will never stop trying to correlate the production of these films with his list, but most of these projects near the top are terrible.
DRAFT DAY as this year’s number one script? Come on.
99.9% of the scripts that readers have to slog through are utter shit – believe me, I’ve been there. So when we come across the .1% that’s comparatively different, witty, and well-written – at least for the first 90 pages, before the usual Act 3 cliches kick in – we get all excited. Hence the Black List. I haven’t read those scripts you mentioned, since thankfully I no longer do coverage, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they read much better than they played.
mtk – You work at Taco Bell.
The Black List is the Heisman Trophy of screenwriting. It’s a measure of quality, not potential. Many Heisman Trophy winners have flopped in the pros and many Black List scripts have been made into bad movies. Two recent examples, are “Season of the Witch” and “The Beaver”. Both are really good scripts; well written, unexpected and in the case of “The Beaver” laugh out loud funny. But, with both movies, something got lost in translation. What worked really well on the page, didn’t work on screen.
The Black List is good for writers because it gives you an idea of what gets read in Hollywood, it’s not a Magic 8 Ball for future box office success.
And you have to realize that the Heisman Trophy and the Black list are two different things when it comes to sports and movies. While the Black List is truly a measure of how a movie could do on paper, the Heisman Trophy is a measure of success as a college football player. In short, you are picking a MVP award winner with that trophy.
But it doesn’t mean you are wrong because the Heisman Trophy winner can either go on to the pros and suck or thrive. Many Heisman Trophy winners failn in the pros because the cast of characters is all wrong. For example, the Quarterback can’t thrive in the pros without an offensive line while the wide receiver can only do so much to make sure the team has success and needs the line and Quarterback to do their jobs correctly.
At the same time, scripts depend on quality actors that can do their parts and do them correctly. This means that the actors must be found by the casting director and they have to mesh with the script.
With that said, “The Beaver” flopped because it had Mel Gibson in a comedy role that would have better been filled by Charlie Sheen, Steve Martin, Martin Short, Bill Murray, or even Steve Carell. Mel Gibson is a very good action and drama movie star, but if you were to throw him into a comedy, better hope nobody notices the horrible job that was done.
BTW, the list at the start of this thread speaks nothing about the quality of most of the movies and more of the quality of the distribution chain.
the black list – HA!
just because a script is a good read doesn’t mean it’ll make a good movie – film still being a collaborative art and all
three times you can screw up a movie:
when writing it
when filming it
when puttin it together
with the amount of mitts and paws involved in making a movie…difficult to put a good one together especially now with dipshits making entertainment
I agree. I read all of the synopses of the screenplays on the list this year and 90% of them sound like sheer boredom. And some of the ones I HAVE read so far aren’t even that great! (Shockingly Vile…etc. is one of the worst scripts I’ve ever read, yet it won the Nicholls Fellowship AND got on the Black List??? A “comedy of errors” about Ted Bundy from Bundy’s point of view???)
And let’s not start on the fact that a lot of times, people end up on this list and shouldn’t be allowed (Django was on there last year…like THAT was going to be unproduced for long…) and shocker, Joss Whedon’s brother (or cousin) ended up on it this year…nepotism much?
The Black List is starting to get to be like The Golden Globes. Fun to think about in all its showiness, but completely unnecessary.
Does anyone under 25 even know who Schwarzenegger is? All they know is he is some old guy with a strange accent and a bad facelift, and their beer belly dads rave about him for some reason. Any actioner that has a star who doesn’t remotely register with 15-25 year olds is dead in the water. How could Lionsgate not realize this?
“Any actioner that has a star who doesn’t remotely register with 15-25 year olds is dead in the water.”
And Liam Neeson registers with 15-25 year olds how?
@jrose – Lol, that’s funny and you probally make a good point. The younger generation definantly are not as familiar with Arnold as the older generation is.
Oops i meant my last comment as a response to ‘He Won’t Be Back’. @jrose – But in response to your point, the difference is ‘Liam’ has been in box office smashes the last few years so the younger generation is much more familiar with him. ‘Arnold’ has not had a 100 million domestic film since “Terminator : ROTM” in 2003, 1o years ago is a long time my friend, especially to younger people who are not old enough to remember a film that was far inferior to the previous two installments. I think that might be the point ‘He Won’t Be Back’ is tying to make.
This is one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever seen here. And boy is that saying something.
By your logic, no one under the age of 70 is going to Batman movies.
That’s not by his logic, that’s by your absurd projection of what you think his logic is. And there was no logic behind what you said. Yes, Batman began ages ago, but Batman also is still in the forefront of pop culture, what with an endless stream of comics, multiple successful video games, and Nolan’s trio of movies.
I think you don’t understand what the word logic means.
A lot of Old people are relevant in the eyes of an average 20-30 year old person. Sadly, Arnold isn’t one of them because he chose to run for Governor of California, and he chose to cheat on his family. By Back’s logic, what is happening to Arnold is not going to happen to others. Right now, Bruce Jenner is more popular than Arnold and that is saying something.
Number one, “brentbrent” The Terminator franchise is known worldwide. I could go to sub-Saharan Africa and show a desert nomad a picture of Arnold Schwarzenegger and he’d go “Ah Terminatah! I’ll Be Back!”
Terminators 2 and 3 were just on TNT yesterday. Those and other Schwarzenegger movies are on cable all the time. (You have heard of this thing called cable TV, right?) He was just in “The Expendables 2″ this past summer. So this thing of “kids today don’t know who he is” is just foolishness.
Secondly, my logic is just fine. By He Won’t Be Back’s logic, in 1989, no one would have gone to see Tim Burton’s Batman because they all would have said, “Batman? He’s a 50-year old character! I can’t relate to him or what he’s about!” Or in 1999, 18-year olds would have said “Star Wars? That old thing? Before my time! No thank you Sir!”
So my original argument stands.
Yeah the governor of California right?
I’m under 25 and I’ve been watching his movies since I was a kid. Get a grip.
Arnold looks old and tired. I’m betting The Tomb suffers a similar fate.
Or The Tomb is a rousing success in its first weekend because Arnold picks a fight with Stephen Colbert.
I know quite a few Arnold fans (myself included) that are avoiding TLS due to Johnny Knoxville as the sidekick.
Case in point is when Knocks-vile is your second bill in the ads? You’re already grasping for straws… I guess Rob Schneider wasn’t available?
PS who’s the NAME bad guy in this film??? How do you not give Arny a great villain to punch in the balls?
The goofy-looking younger sidekick certainly undermines the promotional poster – as does Arnold’s apparent weight.
Being old should not automatically end an action career. Burt Lancaster made the Western Ulzana’s Raid, which I remember as being decent. (This was a serious film, though, and Lancaster had built up his bona fides as a serious character actor from the beginning of his career.)
It was a different era, regarding Lancaster. One important difference, cable, digital download, and DVDs make it very easy to see classic Arnold any time the kids want. Their only impediment, the VHS deck got tossed in the Bush Administation, so their parent’s videos are as accessible as hieroglyphics.
Regarding the actor, Lancaster wasn’t concerned about acting his age or slipping into character parts, such as Atlantic City or Field of Dreams.
When he entered politics, Schwarzenegger had already passed his peak, which had been attained by being in movies which displayed what he does well and poked fun at what he didn’t. There are only so many ways to pull off that trick and so we see, as with Robin Williams or Jim Carrey, replacement at the top by the next wave of stars.
Politics does diminish star power as do personal scandals. All that said, the audience will overlook baggage if the casting is brilliant and the acting well executed in a movie people see and enjoy. But that’s akin to saying a person can get rich if they put enough on a winning roulette number.
It’s not Arnold’s fault. The Last Stand is, by all accounts from those who’ve seen it, a great action flick.
Nope… Lionsgate marketing is at it again. Tim Palen belly flops another one and there will be no accountability for it (there never is). I’ve never, in all my years in the business, seen someone who’s so horrible at their job be so revered/feared. He and his team are an eternal spring of failure and yet they keep their jobs year and year and bomb after bomb. If Palen was at any other studio, he’d have been fired a million times over (which is why he’s dug in like a tick over at LG. He knows it, trust me).
The Palen tick metaphor is apt. APT!
And Jessica Chastain Is No Arnold. Nuh Said its two for two for golden globe winner ms chastain congrats . Don’t worry Arnold. Next Buddy
The movie just doesn’t look that good. There is no reason to be immature and small by attacking the actor involved. He didn’t write it.
So the writer gets the blame when the movie is bad, the director gets the credit when the movie is good?
Writing is the hardest part. You can turn a good script into a bad movie, but you can turn a bad script into a good movie. Part of the reason Ben Affleck didn’t get a nomination is because director bristle at the idea that pretty much anyone can helm a film. It’s not easy to do well, and not every film can be shot by Actor #24, but take the average brilliant person and ask them to write a script. It will be a terrible, awful screenplay they come back with.
And yet Ben has an actual Oscar for writing. Oh, the irony!
I agree with Freddie. It all goes back to the script. Writers don’t get enough credit, or take enough of a fall either. If you start off with a terd that some studio green lights, the Director spends the entire production and post trying to polish that terd. At the end of the day, after blood, sweat and tears, you just have a shiny terd. Of course, it goes the other way too. A great script, with the wrong vision, can be an awful movie.
My reason for not seeing this film is not because of Arnold. I love action movies. I loved the Expendable movies, but they are not a basis for comparison because that was an ensemble cast. I don’t care who Arnold impregnates and I’m not political, so none of that matters to me. My problem is that #1 – Even after as long as Arnold has been acting, I can only understand about 20% of what he says, It’s like my brain has track slower and translate as I watch him. Very hard to understand. And #2 – I think he really got screwed by the casting. I don’t hate Johnny Knoxville, but he looks f’n ridiculous in this. They should’ve cast someone with Arnold that would’ve helped to make him relevant NOW to audiences. Instead he gets Johnny Knoxville as a sidekick with a ridiculous hat, and quite honestly, I thought he was playing slow in a short-bus way, if you get my drift. I later realized from the reviews, that he is playing a drunk. The marketing posters of him with that ridiculous hat and stupid look on his face is the reason I’m not going to see it. So, I don’t blame Arnold, I blame the idiots who thought that casting JK was great and the Costume Dept who put that hat on JK’s head. With casting and promos like that, it didn’t have a fighting chance. Should’ve cast Nic Cage as the drunk, he won an Oscar for playing a drunk. Johnny Knoxville looks like Fire Marshall Bill in this. Just ridiculous.
My feeling is the movie just needs a good bad guy.
Arnold is – by most accounts – an immature and small person.
Besides its funny, to think about how unbelievably huge he was in the 80s and early 90s, and now here he is in a January flick.
What? The Last Stand flopped.
The Last Stand had mixed reviews, but Broken City had really negative reviews and makes more. Their is no fair judgment in the world.
FUCK LIONSGATE! They can’t sell a movie to save their lives.
Also I despise people attacking Arnold because of his personal life; they haven’t even seen the movie.
They have every right to attack Arny on his personal life, because he made his life public, he made that choice and the choices within. Therefor, stones can be tossed. His film didn’t bomb because of his lack of draw, just not the right vehicle… Film looks and feels dated, retread. Knoxville is annoying and not an actor, no other supporter names (suggesting the project kept them away.) when filsm cost $15 a person… The audience is making very select choices on what they spend $30-$50 dollars on. He needs to find something like a Taken, The Grey, Gran Torino, RED, or a popcorn version of falling down, No country meets Machete etc…
The Last Stand was much more entertaining than Taken. And Arnold in a sleepy, depressing film like THE GREY would be laughed off the screen.
The analysts on here who didn’t see the movie are absolutely clueless in their efforts to pin why it bombed.
Arnold is too old for those kind of roles. He looked ridiculous from the first trailer. I wonder how he thought he would suceed.
Have you actually seen the last stand, or are you simply making that estimate based off the film’s projected poor opening weekend?
Arnold’s range is about from here to the corner.