Ross Lincoln is a Deadline contributor.
When it comes to fanboy festivals, Atlanta’s DragonCon is a far cry from San Diego Comic-Con for sheer attendance and participation of Hollywood studios. But the festival has grown from the 1400 who attended its first festival in 1987 to a high of 52,000 last Labor Day weekend. It is a major moneymaking event for the city, with geek icons from Stan Lee to Patrick Stewart regularly making appearances.
The festival, which this year runs August 30-September 2, also has an albatross around its neck. One of its godfathers, Edward Kramer, was arrested in 2000 in Georgia and charged with three counts of child molestation involving two teenage brothers. Owing to a series of legal maneuvers and health issues, Kramer has never been tried in criminal court, and after finally being allowed to post bond in 2009, he was even free to travel. That was until he was arrested in Connecticut in 2011 on charges of “risk of injury to a minor” after being found in a hotel room with a 14 year old, a violation of his bond agreement. Extradited back to Georgia last month, he is awaiting trial on the original charges.
This cloud has hung over the festival for years, even though organizers have tried since 2001 to sever ties to Kramer. They even once reportedly offered him $500,000 to divest his ownership stake and go away, to no avail. Kramer owns 31% of the festival as a minority shareholder, and he reportedly pocketed $150,000 from the 2011 DragonCon. Now, a group led by horror author Nancy Collins and Transformers producer Don Murphy is saying enough is enough, urging creative professionals to boycott the festival if organizers can’t get rid of Kramer once and for all.
In the 1990s, Collins had a professional relationship with Kramer that included co-editing an anthology of horror stories and increasing involvement in DragonCon. She broke ties with Kramer shortly before his arrest in 2000 as a result of what she says was the inappropriate interest Kramer had toward her 12-year-old stepson. After Kramer’s arrest, Collins was among the first to speak publicly against him, a decision that led to schism in the community between Kramer’s defenders and those who believed the charges.
Collins has long contended that annual DragonCon revenue windfalls have enabled Kramer’s defense lawyers to delay trial indefinitely with an array of legal maneuvers. “No matter what DragonCon does or says,” she wrote when calling for the boycott, “funds from the convention will continue to go to Edward Kramer until either he dies or the corporation that runs the convention dissolves and reincorporates under another name.” With Kramer’s recent extradition, Collins believes now is the time to pressure DragonCon to finally take action to cut ties to Kramer.
Murphy agrees. “There’s absolutely no excuse for the fact that one cent of this money should go to enable a pedophile to be free to molest again,” Murphy told Deadline. “I will do everything in my power to make sure that nobody associated with Transformers or Vampire Academy or any of my many comic book-related projects has anything to do with DragonCon while that’s still the case.”
Other supporters of the boycott include noted Swamp Thing artist Stephen Bissette, Marvel and DC comics writer Ron Marz, Girl Genius creators Phil & Kaja Foglio, Bubba Ho-Tep creator Joe R. Lansdale, screenwriter John Shirley, and A Distant Soil author Colleen Doran.
It is unclear whether public pressure will change Kramer’s legal position. Festival organizers said that their hands are tied, at least until Kramer is finally brought before a judge.
“It is our sincere hope that the end is in sight and that the upcoming trial(s) in Gwinnett County will provide a resolution of Edward Kramer’s guilt or innocence, and therefore a cause of legally divorcing ourselves from him once and for all,” festival organizers wrote in a Facebook post. “Since 2000, Dragon Con has been managed by three of the original co-founders, Chairman Pat Henry and board members Dave Cody and Robert Dennis. In that time the convention attendance has grown from less than 10,000 to over 52,000 fans. Our goal has been and will continue to be, to provide the greatest fan driven science fiction/fantasy convention in the world. We do hope that everyone understands that due to past, present, and possible future lawsuits we find ourselves unable to comment further on any matters concerning Edward Kramer. Please do not construe any future silence on the matter as a lack of concern on the part of the Dragon*Con staff and more specifically, our board of directors”.
Stockholders can’t be forced to sell shares they own outright. As for the suggestion of dissolving the DragonCon corporation, under Georgia law, voluntary dissolution can’t occur so long as a corporate entity has pending legal disputes, and as the convention alluded in its statement, Kramer is in a lawsuit with DragonCon over his rights as a minority shareholder. Neither Kramer’s civil attorney nor DragonCon would comment on that pending legal matter to Deadline.


boycott.
my support to those in the comic book community who are doing so.
this scumbag needs to go.
so this pervert and all of his crimes are more protected then the rights of people who want to have nothing to do with this a**hole? astonishing. what has society come to…?
so essentially this con is funding the defense attorney fees of a child molester and pedophile.
again, simply astonishing.
or, have this as the last con, deplete the funds by paying everyone their shares as well as expenses, then close the doors on any new activity. Let it go dormant.
and also start up a new corporation for a new con.
leave the scumbag hanging in the wind.
Boycott. I’ve attended this con many times, no more.
So they apparently already tried to buy the guy out; what do you expect DragonCon to do? Basically, this is punishing a vast number of innocent business owners and professionals because of one man they can’t control. As detestable as Kramer is, what is the boycott going to accomplish? Close it down and count everyone as an acceptable loss?
This boycot will only amount to several hundred people – even several thousand people won’t really make a dent.
with the prosecutors office. Kramer is beyond broke, even with the income that he was receiving from his various endeavors. Hell, they even let him LEAVE STATE.
You want to push for fault, put your effort to the offices that have failed to provide a speedy trial.
Yup. It’s hilarious that Murphy and Collins won’t go after the government and push for a trial that will do things:
A) Get Kramer locked up and held accountable for his crimes.
B) Give DragonCon the ability to kick him out without being sued into bankruptcy.
The boycott team is fueled by vendetta and attention-seeking. The fact that they only attack the convention is clear proof.
Yep, that’s America. Take away something good from everybody, because of the actions of one.
Did you read? They can’t force him to do anything without a criminal conviction, and they can’t reincorporate legally. even if they could, disolving the corp would put some serious dollar is Kramers pocket, as he would be entitled to 31% of the assets after debts payed. Go or don’t go, but don’t demand the impossible and don’t spread lies.
Coming soon to a pitch meeting near you: Collins (who hasn’t written anything in years) and Murphy try to pitch you the INSIDE STORY!! of little Eddie Kramer and his 13 year odyssey in the Georgia justice system.
Too bad the focus isn’t on Kramer or the ineptitude of Georgia but a harmless geekfest.
Seriously, it wouldn’t surprise me if Collins hasn’t been shopping this story around for years.
Gonna donate all your story money to charity, Nancy?
First hand knowledge: You couldn’t be more wrong. Way to read this story and think Nancy Collins is the bad guy. You must fancy yourself as very insightful. That’s too bad.
Good ghods.
She had 4 books released last year and more on the schedule for this year. ‘hasn’t written anything in years’ is completely wrong.
While I don’t agree with her stance with regarding DragonCon (and actually consider all this vitriol towards the convention a stupid waste of energy that would be more productively spent directed towards the Gwinnett County DA and officials there), personal attacks like this are even more wrong and have no place in this discussion.
Actually, Nancy already tried to cash in on this with a book in the very first year of this. She failed to get a book deal for it.
Wow this Con sounds like a lot of good clean fun. I will be happy to volunteer to run the show I have always loved comic books that appeal to young boys. The younger the better. I have a big comic book collection in my basement and I will give the books away free to all the young boys who want to look at them.
Wow, here come the Dragon Con apologists. Blame the prosecutor! No, blame Ed Kramer. Blame the boycott for taking away our toy! No, blame Ed Kramer. Blame the lying liars who lie who say Ed Kramer will get 1/3 of profits! No, blame Ed Kramer.
No one owes this convention anything. I’m not going, and there are hundreds, of not thousands, of other conventions all around the country every single year. I do not want to walk in those doors and think about Ed Kramer raping kids.
So, if you really want to go to Dragon Con, then go. But some of us are not going, and we have good reason.
That reason is Ed Kramer. He’s to blame. Not Nancy Collins, not anyone else.
Ed Kramer.
There are other places where I can have a good time, see friends, read novels, watch movies, and dress up like The Scarlet Witch.
@lethargic-
You’ve chosen a rather apt name for those who follow your rationale:
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Yeah that just about sums up the state of fandom’s morals and ethics concerning the financing of a pedophile’s legal sandbaggery.
WOW so you might have to lose your dragoncon for a year or two while they disassociate from Kramer and start a new show? Good luck with that “walking over the victims of pedophilia to have 3 days of fandom” thing.
The real story here isn’t the attempted boycott on DragonCon. The real story is how a man facing charges of child molestation escapes justice merely because he has the money. It’s like he’s the friggen pope or something.
Don Murphy sounds like someone with an axe to grind. He has made a lot of money working in an industry that would be akin to a human cesspool of immorality. Perhaps he should direct some of his energy to cleaning up Los Angeles, as well.
As a comics professional, I, too, publicly denounced the show 2 years ago. Here’s a link to my second posting on the matter:
http://davedorman.wordpress.com/2011/11/20/dave-dorman-dragoncon-boycott-an-update/
And here’s my first post on the matter. Nancy Collins and I have discussed this matter on the back channels for a long while.
http://davedorman.wordpress.com/2011/09/18/dave-dorman-confidential-why-i-dont-attend-dragoncon/
Stop using the word “blame” idiots. Telling DragonCon to do anything is also stupid, as they have teams of logical and moral people trying to do the right thing for the fans, the people that want Kramer brought to justice, and the people whose hearts and souls go into this event.
Blindly shutting everything down would be the dumbest idea, and would accomplish nothing positive–Kramer gets a metric buttload of money and a beloved convention unnecessarily dies.
There are smart ways to fight scumbags without destroying the world of things we enjoy. Stand strong with your DragonCon brethren and push local officials to finish the Kramer fight.
Boycotting the con is how you really turn a blind eye to all of this. People think they’re creating the next Kony 2012, and will likely be just as successful as that campaign (it wasn’t). Going in such a roundabout stupid way accomplishes nothing…
OMG, heart and soul? What a drama queen.
Dragon Con had no qualms about driving the Atlanta Fantasy Fair into the ground, but they act like we have to have some kind of religious devotion to their million dollar entirely-for-profit venture, money made on the backs of thousands of unpaid volunteers. Representing, once again, how unbelievably anal and self absorbed segments of fandom can be.
This show has certainly inspired devotion in people who can’t seem to think of something else to do with one weekend a year. Fortunately, most of the other 300 million people in North America don’t have the same problem.
Might just go to New York Comic Con instead! Or Charlotte Heroes Con! Or Emerald City! Or MegaCon! Or Boston! Or Phoenix! Or…
Actually, it could accomplish Kramer not getting any more money from the con and possibly going to jail if the prosecution can prove their case.
The other people that run the con could sell their shares, stop working for Dragon Con and start up a new con. I’m pretty sure there is no law forcing them to own those shares and work for the convention. Let Kramer try hiring people to replace them and put on the show by himself. I don’t think he would be very successful.
I suspect the reason they don’t do this is because like Kramer, they too are making going money from Dragon Con and don’t want to lose their source of income. They probably don’t have the confidence that they could replicate Dragon Con’s success with a new organization.
No.
It would kill the convention, give Kramer a pay out likley equal to at least a couple of not a half dozen years income he had been receiving….
And anyone who thinks what he’s been receiving – logically, the 150K is an incorrect ‘yearly’ number. It comes from a 2011 settlement figure fo back dividends. It may well have been for all of 2011, but are there amounts for penalties and lawyers fees in that number? … People have extrapolating ’150K x 12′ also are way off, given that the convention has more than quintupled it’s size in that 12 years.
And it’s a drop in the bucket given what a trail will cost him. (A good trial lawyer can easily cost 1500 an hour.) The very fact he had to sell (was forced to sell, there were lawsuits alleging that he feels he was) some stock a few years ago to pay legal fees (and not trial level legal fees) lends truth to that idea.
‘the other people that run the con could sell their shares’… to who? If the goal is for the con to end, who would buy such a loosing venture? It’s their BUSINESS… that they own stock in. One they’ve worked at for 26 years, that they have built (quintupled its size) in the past 12 years since they kicked Kramer out of the running of it. Would you shut down your business… to not pay an investor or a creditor? Do you really think that won’t cause yet another lawsuit (It would, for ‘not acting in the shareholders best interests’.
Kramer isn’t involved in running the convention, and hasn’t been since 2000 and the original arrest. Your ‘let Kramer try hiring people to replace’ makes no sense, doesn’t apply to reality.
Yes, it’s a BUSINESS. of course they don’t want to shut down their business. Why is it somehow wrong that they don’t want to? And as far as replicating, starting from scratch… there’s no *financial* way they can attempt a convention of even a quarter the size of the current convention, even if they can shut down Dragoncon (and you can’t dissolve a corporation that is involved in legal suits anyway. That’s the law). They’d lose all venue deposits which likely go out years(convention organizers do this to lock in rates and guarantee the venues), forfeit, legally. If you want to depend on the ‘good will’ of large corporations like Hilton, Marriot, Hyatt et al… in the face of what, for them, is ‘free and clear money’ they don’t have to do anything for, I expect you’d also take a handshake deal over a city bridge, too.
Replicating DragonCon isn’t the issue, (and replicating it, anytime in the next dozen years starting from scratch, is unlikely. You’d have to start again, from the beginning, with new investors, and start small. very small. ) It’s why do they have to when the DA in Gwinnett county is the one you need to direct your ire toward.
If Kramer is convicted, the money can be escrowed. That the income stream is there, means that victims have a better chance at civil suits (readily identified income stream really means that lawyers would be more willing to take the case).
The more I read everybody Monday morning quarterbacking, the more I like the suggestion that Dragon*Con’s owners give enough of their shares to Ed Kramer to make him the majority, or the sole, stockholder. That frees them to walk away and start up a rival con, because Dragon*Con still exists.
There are 51 other weeks in the year, you know. Dragon*Con does not have to be held on Labor Day weekend.
I also like the idea of contacting the agents of the announced guests and letting them know what a s–tstorm their people are walking into. Particularly the higher-profile Hollywood guests.
I cannot believe the amount of people who will hide behind a screenname and spit poison. Don Murphy has an axe to grind? Yeah,no. Nobody in Hollywood kisses sci-fi con’s asses. Collins hasn’t written anything in years? Gosh, those two books on my shelf in the last two years, and the numerous e-books on my Kindle must be made up as well. Look, you want to make money off of a pedophile, fine. Tell yourself whatever you need to get to sleep. But don’t you dare go smearing the name of good folk who are speaking up for those who are victimized. If you’ve got something nasty to say, sign your name. Otherwise, you’re just as gutless as the Georgia legal system.
DragonCon had to know that this day was coming, and they should have prepared for it. I guess that now they’re going to complain that they can’t close down the convention because they have hotel contracts. Fine. This should be their last year then. Don’t have a con in 2014. I get that they can’t reincorporate with everybody except Ed Kramer, so don’t. Chairman Pat Henry should start a new convention with different people, and maybe as a 501-c-3 non-profit so the next time somebody on the board of directors starts kiddie-fiddling, there won’t be any problem with convention profits going to fund the legal defense. Are you still listening, @lethargic? One-third of the convention’s half-million dollar profit goes to fund a child molestor’s legal defense. You’re right. One person DID ruin it for everybody else, and the convention let him do so, years ago.
I’ve been reading the comment threads about this at comic book news sites for some time, and two things strike me: first, anybody claiming that DragonCon has spent years building a brand and does not want to abandon it really has no clue just how damaged that brand is. DragonCon is today ONLY that con with the pedophile problem. Second, DragonCon’s attendees need to learn that there are hundreds of other conventions across the continent to spend money and game and visit. HUNDREDS. Many are even in Atlanta. Go to those instead. This is not complicated.
This article is “balanced” the wrong way. It’s one thing to avoid taking sides, it’s another to omit crucial details that make one party look especially bad: the details of Kramer’s “ordeal,” his legal strategies and the disparity between what his supporters claimed was taking place and what actually happened. Just the fact that he couldn’t stand up in prison but he can hike around carting camera equipment in Connecticut (where he’s not legally permitted to be, especially in the company of underage boys, particularly in hotel rooms, and very much so when the boy is naked except for a towel) puts DragonCon’s actions in a very different light. DragonCon LIED for years to professionals and fans about whether money would go to Kramer, and many of those people would not have participated had they known the truth.
“DragonCon LIED for years to professionals and fans about whether money would go to Kramer, and many of those people would not have participated had they known the truth.”
No.
This is one of Nancy and Don’s favorite talking points, but it is demonstrably not true. There are news items on the Kramer/Dragon*Con issue from Creative Loafing in Atlanta, The Examiner, Airlock Alpha and others ranging from 2002 to 2009 that I’ve seen where spokespersons for Dragon*Con, and at least once Pat Henry himself, state that Kramer has nothing to do with running, organizing or handling the day to day of the convention even though he’s still a shareholder in the company.
This information is out there and in the public square. The fact that the boycott supporters have to lie about this fact, and spin others, should tell you everything you need to know about them and their cause.
I really believe that this is somewhat foolish. I hope Kramer finally faces the justice and punishment he deserves, but this is simply an attempt to hurt others besides Kramer.
Dragon*Con has tried to cut ties with him. They can’t. He won’t cease retaining his minority ownership and the current legal actions mean that Dragon*Con cannot dissolve and reform as a new entity without him involved. So in order to go after one man who will be facing justice, you want to hurt everyone else who did not act as he did and had nothing to do with his actions.
This is why I think so many boycotts just reek of stupidity or impulsive thought without reason. The mindset is so often one of burning an entire house down just to exterminate a single mouse.
You people are kidding, right?
I love all the armchair attorneys in this thread.
Legally, D*C is doing all they can. But that isn’t enough for your blood lust, is it?
They should shoot themselves in the foot for the reprehensible actions of ONE person, that they are vigilantly trying to be rid of, right?
And since everyone here has access to all the inner workings of D*C and their offices/administrators, you have FACTS to back up all your claims and demands, right?
Why don’t all you pitchfork waving bleeding hearts just start dragging people out in the street and burn them already? Since you all SEEM to know what’s best for this convention and have ALL the facts in this case.
Nothing like mock outrage and ridiculous internet hyperbole to show you how stupid society has become.
I don’t think you really read the article did you? There are things keeping them from starting a new corporation or they would have done that already…
The “things keeping them from starting a new corporation” are lawsuits from Kramer, which he didn’t file until 2009. Nothing prevented the other owners from dissolving the company before then, except their desire to keep making money. Every argument they present glosses over this fact. They had the choice to do the right thing– walk away and start over, if necessary. Instead they made millions of dollars while putting who knows how much into Kramer’s pocket, which kept him out of court and out of jail.
“Telling DragonCon to do anything is also stupid, as they have teams of logical and moral people trying to do the right thing for the fans, the people that want Kramer brought to justice, and the people whose hearts and souls go into this event.” People who expect a man charged with child molestation to actually face trial are a special interest group, like Star Trek fans? And these logical and moral people advised them to lie about Kramer’s receiving money from the con for how many years? DragonCon’s owners lied so they could profit financially; whether Kramer gets convicted or doesn’t, their actions are venal and fraudulent.
Some commenters on this thread have pointed at Nancy Collins and Don Murphy. Please explain how this situation or their actions within it have benefited them.
Who knows?
What benefit was it to Nancy A. Collins to falsely charge, and them have to publicly retract the charge, that Atlanta Police were also looking at SP Somtow, then president of the Horror Writers Association, along with Kramer over the charges and allegations? It wasn’t true, but it was one of the first things she did back at the beginning of all of this.
What benefit is there in it for her to call the settlement from recent legal action awarded Kramer and his legal team a dividend payment and occasionally say that he gets that amount of money per year?
What benefit is there in it for her to claim that Dragon*Con has for the last 12 years tried to hide the fact that Kramer was still a share holder when you can easily find statements that they’ve made saying just that that go as far back, that I’ve found, as 2002 and as recently, not including the 2012 news she cites, as 2009?
Maybe people saying that they have an ax to grind are closer to the truth than you realize. I have no idea with regards to Murphy, but Collins has made plenty of statements over the years that come off as someone with an ax to grind. And certainly their latest chicanery, making noise about and agitating for what would be bogus FLSA complaints against Dragon*Con to harass them and scare off 2013 volunteers, certainly comes across as ax grinding since that has nothing to do with helping the victims or seeing Kramer face justice and everything to do with hurting Dragon*Con and anybody connected to it.