
For decades, the host of The Tonight Show has been crowned NBC’s late-night king. But through the years, one figure has been looming larger than any host or executive in NBC’s late night, producer Lorne Michaels, and the current turmoil over the Tonight Show transition is poised to further cement his enormous clout. Known as a fixer, Michaels launched and runs NBC’s Saturday Night Live, whose recent episode hosted by Justin Timberlake stands as NBC’s highest-rated entertainment series telecast of 2013 in adults 18-49. Lorne was removed in the early 1980s only to be brought back several years later after SNL‘s fortunes had begun to fade, and he quickly brought the sketch show back to top form. In 1993, Michaels was brought to rescue the Late Night franchise, in shambles after David Letterman’s abrupt departure. He reached to his SNL bench and plucked out a writer, Conan O’Brien, as new host of Late Night. And in 2008, he orchestrated the anointment of another of his SNL pupils, Jimmy Fallon, as O’Brien’s successor when he moved to The Tonight Show. While Michaels was reportedly not involved in O’Brien’s brief stint at The Tonight Show, he appears very hands-on in the pending changeover between Jay Leno and Fallon and will likely continue to have a presence when Fallon becomes Tonight Show host, especially with the plan to keep Fallon in New York and move The Tonight Show franchise there. That means that, unless Late Night relocates to Los Angeles, NBC could conceivably have all three of its marquee late night shows, The Tonight Show, Late Night and SNL, under the same roof and under the watchful eye of Michaels. (A move of Late Night to LA would make it difficult for Michaels to be in control and exercise his duties as executive producer, which could affect the show. For instance, of the two recent primetime series Michaels produced, 30 Rock, which was produced in New York, had a long and successful run; Up All Night, which filmed in Los Angeles, quickly fell apart.) As for Fallon’s successor on Late Night, speculation is intensifying that Michaels would once again take a page out of his own playbook and turn to SNL for a new recruitment with Weekend Update host Seth Meyers. With no obvious outside candidates and limited time to groom someone for the job, Meyers, who has a ton of experience having hosted Weekend Update since 2006, appears the logical choice though he doesn’t have the boy next door appeal Fallon has.
Weekend Update has become arguably the biggest star-making machine on television for those handpicked by Michaels to sit behind the anchor desk. Since 2000, it has produced one late-night talk show host (Fallon), one rumored to join him (Meyers) and two TV series and film stars, Tina Fey and Amy Poehler. Among the four of them, they have hosted the Emmys (Fallon), the Golden Globes (Fey & Poehler) and the White House Correspondents Dinner (Meyers). So forget about The Tonight Show and Late Night. The biggest question is who would succeed Meyers on Weekend Update.
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And the decline of NBC stumbles on. They have lost the mornings with Today becoming a soap opera, they have virtually nothing in prime-time, the new division is the most biased in the biz and now they are turning late night into a cookie cutter with unfunny Michaels as the baker.
I truly hope Jay Leno goes to Fox with an 11:00 pm show and destroys whatever the Tonight Show ends up being. Please forgive us, Johnny, Ed, Doc and the rest, for allowing this crap to happen to a great show.
Invoking Johnny Carson while praising the man who forced him out is a sick joke, right?
Who forced Carson out?
NBC forced Carson out. He took off too much time and his ratings were slipping. When Leno would guest host, Leno got good ratings and favorable response. Beware of those who try to make you believe Leno can force NBC to get rid of Carson and Conan. Conan’s ratings problems were because of Conan, not Leno.
At the end Johnny averaged 9 million viewers per night. Jay today gets about 3 million, down from 6.5 million before his reputation was damaged in the Conan dust up. Do your homework next time.
To “Chance” – Johnny’s ratings were considered down relative to what late night ratings got back then. Leno’s ratings now are not down relative to what late night ratings get now. Different times, different measuring stick. Leno’s ratings were down when he returned to the Tonight show but so were Letterman’s. Nightline was kicking everyone’s butts. Leno’s ratings also took a hit from NBC’s overall declining viewership. The following year his ratings increased even while harmed by NBC’s continuing deterioration. He continues to beat everyone without a lead-in and with NBC doing worse than ever. Before telling people to “do homework” do your own.
Yeah, it’s been a while since I’ve looked at the history, but I don’t remember Leno having much say in the matter. He acted nutty when trying to get the job, but he didn’t force Carson out. Could anyone besides NBC? Didn’t think so!
Chance,
That’s kind of a silly comparison. TV was much different back then, and it was even different back when Conan had a brief run on TTS. All ratings are down, but Jay still wins almost always. If NBC’s prime time schedule were stronger, and it is slowly but surely, his ratings would go back up.
Conan’s show may not have been as mainstream an option as Leno was, but having a new Leno talk show airing every night before it at 10 PM (diluting the appeal for “The Tonight Show” and killing local news lead-in ratings in a two for one blow) hurt the show a lot. Leno may very publicly announce the generous things he does to help people and save jobs etc but he deserves to be forced out finally.
I’m sure Letterman will gleefully stick around for at least a year after Leno is out, he would likely regain the ratings crown.
No, Fox should put on “Celebrity Paint Drying,” which would be immensely funnier than Jay Leno. I will just tell my Grandma and her friends, that it’s Jay Leno’s paint drying, since they are the only people I know that still doze off to Jay Leno mercifully on ‘mute.;
No, apply that to Kimmel. Unwatchable. I tried it when he didn’t wear a tie. Lemming.
The Carson era bubble has long burst. The world has changed — drastically, even if his staunchest supporters have not.
One issue. Michaels was not brought in to rescue the Late Night franchise back in 93. He had it in his contract that he would get first crack at 12:30 after Letterman, and exercised that over whatever brief flirtations there were to try to bring in Garry Shandling or anyone else at the time.
Regardless of who will host the show, Late Night must be in LA if The Tonight Show is going to be in NY.
Either someone is moving to LA, or someone (probably a Comcast property, if not the more obvious Chelsea they will find someone else) will emerge from the wings. Do not underestimate Comcast’s influence…it has a plan, one way or another.
Leno took a 50% pay cut to save 25 staff jobs, when the show moves to NY my guess is all those jobs will be gone. NBC/U and Comcast have laid off hundreds in CA, my guess is all those jobs are not coming back ever.
As for Michaels, if he’s the future of NBC it’s looking pretty bleak. SNL stands for “Saturday Night Lame”. Time to get some new blood in there, the good news is that most of the dimwits who damaged NBC are gone or leaving.
If only the SNL writers could come up with jokes as witty as “Saturday Night Lame” the show would be saved.
Put Late Night in LA. No way is Carson Daly going to go back to his old format.
JAY MOHR for late night!!! Bring it to LA! his interviews on his podcast are BRILLIANT and his standup is top notch… impressions are spot on… and Lorne hired him to do SNL back in the day
Look at the gametape!!!!
Google Jay Mohr + Lorne Michaels. They will never work together again. You can also just google Jay Mohr + Hack and it will tell you all that you need to know.
‘Dsve’ = Jay Mohr. Only Jay Mohr thinks that Jay Mohr is funny.
Ah but Seth Meyers won’t work in any late night slot. He’s creepy and unlikeable. Fallon is a lucky anomaly. I resent what NBC has done with Jay. I also hope he goes to Fox at 11. No one can beat Leno.
Seth Meyers is George Clooney compared to Conan O’Brien, particularly when he started in 1993. Come to think of it, other than Fallon is ANYONE particularly attractive in Late Night TV?
Sorry y’all but Jimmy has been killing it with guests on the east coast. What makes his show is all the SNL alumni connects he still has easy access to here and the draw of a guest being in NY vs LA— good luck getting JT to do a week on the west coast. Also Jay is too conservative to move forward as he is the only outwardly conservative name on late night— call it the Obama effect– but the chin is fin.
And I suppose this is why Jay hosted the white House correspondent’s dinner 3 years ago? Just because Jay makes the occasional President Obama jab doesn’t make him a conservative. Just watch The president’s last appearance on the show, and then watch the Romney one. You’ll see where Jay’s political affiliation lies.
On Thursday night alone, Jay made jokes about:
Michelle Bachmann (right after calling her a “nutball”,)
Fox News,
Donald Trump,
The Republican Party’s attempt to woo minorities,
Seniors in Florida.
Jokes about The President – none.
Yeah – real conservative.
Wow…you’re admitting to watching Leno?
I didn’t think ANYone did that.
Jay Leno has admitted to being a democrat.
Leno knobs just about every guest he’s got. Like when Ah-nuld was running for governor.
Dear Mr. Michaels: Could you please see to it that Tina Fey is the host of “The Tonight Show”, since it is relocating to NY? Jimmy Fallon can stay where he is at. Another man doesn’t need to do a job that belongs to Ms. Fey.
That would be the worst mistake ,Tina fey has no appeal whatsoever.
Jimmy too sucks, Leno trashes them all
Tina Fey would be a terrible choice. Joel McHale should host Late Night, since Community is likely done after this season.
Oooh! Good choice!
Fallon is a horror – unprofessional, childish, and he just reeks of desperation, like he’s trying SO, SO hard to impress his guests. He makes early Conan look good.
And Jay’s not been funny since, well, since he FIRST took over “TONIGHT” and all his desk pieces were stolen from Dave. I don’t know how people watch any of the late NBC shows.
A friend suggested I look up Ferguson’s recent Leno appearance. Watched it on NBC’s site. What was funny was, aside from Ferguson being just SO much more quick-witted than Jay, was that the guest who followed, Vera Farmiga, spent her entire segment talking to Craig and virtually ignored Jay. As Jay went to commercial, she turned to Ferguson again, and you can see Jay was upset. Clearly he won’t be inviting her back to the show…in the just over a year he has left.
Tonight Show with Fallon to 90 minutes – Late Night for 60 to follow. Daly off the sked. Ad that’s that. More cost effective by far.
That could work actually. They should definitely try it.
Seth Meyers is unlikeable even though he’s funny.
“…brought the sketch show (SNL) back to top form.”
Are you KIDDING?
SNL engine has been running on empty for so long it knows no other way. The show is so creatively bankrupt that it’s a wonder that it has managed to survive this long.
It truly belongs on 5th (-or is it 6th?) place NBC.
Moving the show to N.Y. will most likely qualify for tax credits. Don’t count Leno out. Even during his primetime stint he still performed better than most of NBC’s current schedule.
Based on the headline, I thought this post would have touched on one VERY obvious question that nobody has asked yet: Who will replace LORNE when he finally calls it a day? The talk of Leno stepping down centers largely on his age and “not being able to do it much longer,” yet Lorne is turning 69 this year (6 years OLDER than Leno). As I understand it, he isn’t really around SNL for a lot of the day-to-day minutiae, but he’s still involved in every show… and as this post points out, his presence is definitely felt on all the shows he produces.
Some additional perspective worth adding to this article:
Even reruns of SNL get twice the ratings (18-49) of new Leno episodes, while new SNL episodes have beaten all of NBC primetime this year (18-49).
Why would it be so difficult for JT to do a week of shows in LA?
There are rumors that “The Tonight Show” could be expanded to 90 minutes if/when Jimmy Fallon takes over.
If that’s the case, “Late Night” (Fallon’s current show) will likely be eliminated, and Carson Daly’s “Last Call” might get moved up by a half-hour (and maybe expanded to an hour).
There is no way Carson Daly would get moved up and Late Night would be canceled. Late Night is far to good a brand to cancel for a barely watched Last Call.
Egads, surely Fox won’t start a new Jay Leno program. By the time he’s free of NBC’s contractural reach (they own rights to him through mid 2014, whether he hosts Tonight or not) he’ll be pushing 65. I think Fox executives (not the dumb affiliates, the execs) are not going to begin a new late night show hosted by a guy who’s 65, whom most Americans despise, and who has a reputation for fighting like hell and verbally trashing his bosses when you have to get rid of him. Which you likely would soon, since he’s 65. Not to mention the fact that Leno does OK because of the Tonight Show BRAND. Similarly, Take away the SNL BRAND, put it on a different network, and call it something else, and its ratings would suck too.
Exactly. No way the network that broadcasts shows for young viewers like American Idol, Glee and Family Guy are going to let almost 70 year old Leno anywhere near them.
Who says most Americans despise Leno? If they do, they have a funny way of showing it, watching him more than the other guys.
Anyway, I have no idea of the logistics behind Fox starting a late night show, but let’s remember that Murdoch has deep pockets and isn’t afraid to spend to make an impression. If a Leno to Fallon transition goes as badly as the Leno to Conan to Leno transition went and is as focused on as the last time was, it might be worth signing up Leno just for that reason. Surely the initial tune in would be considerable, and the fact that there’d be four guys duking it out in broadcast alone would make this a big story. I’m young, so I am not sure how different Leno was before TTS, but if he was unleashed in some way and got buzz because of that, that might further increase his draw. And then there’s Murdoch’s money. He’ll spare no expense giving Leno on Fox a chance to beat the other guys.
I don’t think it’d happen that easily, but who knows? Leno might be very pissed if he feels pushed out.
Re “Most Americans despise Jay Leno” may not literally be true, but plenty sure do, and he has half as many viewers as he did before the Conan push out. Contrast that with Letterman, who’s only down about 10% in that period, and Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, who are up slightly from 2010 to today.
It’s a moot issue as most of FOX’s affiliates have signed on for Arsenio Hall’s new show next year. They’re not going to break a deal like that for Leno.
You are aware Johnny Carson didn’t like Jay Leno, and wanted Letterman to succeed him, right? In fact, it was Carson who advised Letterman to go to a different network after NBC gave him the shaft.
“Forgive us,” indeed.
Tonight Show moves to NY and Jimmy takes over. His bookings get even stronger when Letterman retires one day after Jay leaves
Was Lorne “forced out” in 1980? They story as told was he wanted to stay but take a sebatical and the network wouldn’t let him and he left.
Going out on a limb…what about Aisha Tyler to take over Late Night? Or, what about Joel McHale?
What about Chelsea Handler? She’s already in the Comcast family, and supposedly, people have been talking to her already, or at least they were a few years ago. (Not necessarily from Comcast, though, I guess.) At least at first, she’d be the only woman in late night on a broadcast network, and unless she makes major changes to her show, she’d be doing something different. And while her show seems female oriented because of all the celebrity stuff, lots of guys I know think it and she are funny.
I never liked this show anyway.
Does anyone watch weekday Late Night shows anymore?
I watch Craig Furgisson sometimes. Not every night, but often enough to understand his humour. SECRETARIATE FOREVER!
Joel McHale would be a great choice, as suggested by B-T-L’er. He’s been stuck on a platform that doesn’t showcase his sense of satire (not that I can claim to have watched much of the programming). His turns on Community demonstrate he has some acting ability (which means they could try new segments or a shifted direction rather than hashing on the same tired old theme). Finally, his appearances on other shows demonstrate he has the right combination of humility and showmanship required to cater to a broad audience.
Carson Daly was great as the late night DJ on KOME back in the early 90s and has slowly declined since then. No network would be foolish enough to continue Jay’s run at his age (nevermind that he’ll just get more annoying with time). Maybe he’ll be forced to use some of that Tonight money he claims he’s never touched.
As for the SNL bashing – Weekend Update has been the only reason to watch and when Lorne goes, so does the show (finally).
Seth Myers is to comedy what The Washington Wizards are to professional basketball. If NBC is dumb enough to listen to senile Lorne backing Seth as a talk show host, then we will witness the quick death of NBC late night.
This is a disaster in the making. Once more, NBC commits itself to another monumental mistake. Moving “The Tonight Show” back to NY– a city with little in common with the vast bulk of America– will absolutely run the show into the ground. Like it or not, California has FAR more celebrities to offer as guests at any given instant, plus more activities of every kind, and in spite of the fact that New Yorkers consider themselves everyone’s superior, Los Angeles IS the entertainment center of the United States. Most importantly, the current generation of young people who don’t have any recollection of the old Carson era will find no value in the stifling NY studio location, and drift right into the waiting arms of Jimmy Kimmel for some excitement.
The people running NBC have proven over and over they have no understanding of the American public or their tastes. They appear to be detached snobs who favor political agendas instead of pleasing the public. They have failed to comprehend Leno still wins because he appeals to mainstream Americans– he is familiar and comfortable. Viewers prefer him precisely because he’s NOT an east coast elitist. In contrast, I seriously doubt if Lorne Michaels has any conversations at all during his day with anyone who does not make six figures or is not in the entertainment business. I doubt he can fix his own car. He probably does not even know the name of his gardener… or where his own socks came from.
Current NBC execs seem to have no balls either. All this expense just to appease Jimmy Fallon?? He’s good… but is he so great he can refuse to move to another state for a dream job… a state with a far better standard of living than his own???
Yes, a new NBC blunder to top the rest. Now we get to watch it all blow up in slow motion.
Bingo. You nailed it perfectly with the best post on this topic.